• They are not usually so honest

    From Joy Beeson@jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jun 19 10:57:51 2025
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    Spammer: First we need to verify your information

    Me: First we need to verify that you got my number from a
    legimate source.

    Spammer: That is not the case
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From djheydt@djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jun 19 19:36:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    In article <83885kd5o69dn3sbdnn2m4d7ltng2e97j1@4ax.com>,
    Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

    Spammer: First we need to verify your information

    Me: First we need to verify that you got my number from a
    legimate source.

    Spammer: That is not the case

    [Hal Heydt]
    not quite the same thing, but one of my latest tactics on cold
    calls is the ask who they are trying to contact. Amazing how
    often that is followed by a few seconds of silence and a <click>.

    I still get calls asking for my late wife--who died at the end of
    June 2022. My standard answer is that she is no longer at this
    number. It's mildly surprising that no caller ever asks if I have
    a new number for her (it's been suggested that I supply the
    number of Dial-a-Prayer) and no one ever asks why she is not
    longer available.

    A real irritation is the kind of call I got this morning asking
    for her. When told that she was no longer at this number, the
    guy launched into his fund raising spiel at me.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Evelyn C. Leeper@evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jun 19 20:22:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    On 6/19/25 3:36 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <83885kd5o69dn3sbdnn2m4d7ltng2e97j1@4ax.com>,
    Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

    Spammer: First we need to verify your information

    Me: First we need to verify that you got my number from a
    legimate source.

    Spammer: That is not the case

    [Hal Heydt]
    not quite the same thing, but one of my latest tactics on cold
    calls is the ask who they are trying to contact. Amazing how
    often that is followed by a few seconds of silence and a <click>.

    I still get calls asking for my late wife--who died at the end of
    June 2022. My standard answer is that she is no longer at this
    number. It's mildly surprising that no caller ever asks if I have
    a new number for her (it's been suggested that I supply the
    number of Dial-a-Prayer) and no one ever asks why she is not
    longer available.

    A real irritation is the kind of call I got this morning asking
    for her. When told that she was no longer at this number, the
    guy launched into his fund raising spiel at me.

    I got a spam call two days after Mark died. When the spammer asked how
    I was, I said "My husband died two days ago; what do you think?" and he immediately launched into his spiel.

    (I normally don't answer the landline, but while Mark was in the hospital/nursing home, and then afterwards for a while, I did, because
    it could have been important.)
    --
    Evelyn C. Leeper, http://leepers.us/evelyn
    Trump promised if I voted for Harris in 2024 the stock
    market would crash. I did, and it has. -uncredited
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From djheydt@djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Fri Jun 20 02:29:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    In article <10329ko$7gl9$1@dont-email.me>,
    Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/19/25 3:36 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <83885kd5o69dn3sbdnn2m4d7ltng2e97j1@4ax.com>,
    Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

    Spammer: First we need to verify your information

    Me: First we need to verify that you got my number from a
    legimate source.

    Spammer: That is not the case

    [Hal Heydt]
    not quite the same thing, but one of my latest tactics on cold
    calls is the ask who they are trying to contact. Amazing how
    often that is followed by a few seconds of silence and a <click>.

    I still get calls asking for my late wife--who died at the end of
    June 2022. My standard answer is that she is no longer at this
    number. It's mildly surprising that no caller ever asks if I have
    a new number for her (it's been suggested that I supply the
    number of Dial-a-Prayer) and no one ever asks why she is not
    longer available.

    A real irritation is the kind of call I got this morning asking
    for her. When told that she was no longer at this number, the
    guy launched into his fund raising spiel at me.

    I got a spam call two days after Mark died. When the spammer asked how
    I was, I said "My husband died two days ago; what do you think?" and he >immediately launched into his spiel.

    [Hal Heydt]
    Typically crass behavior. I don't confirm or deny data,
    particularly medical data. Often, I will ask where they got what
    they claim is medical data about me (which is either so common to
    be pure guesswork or flat out wrong). I will push for them to
    tell me what doctor supplied it, with the implication that
    *somebody* is going to be in trouble over HIPAA violations.

    One call actually named a doctor...but not one of mine (I think
    he pulled a name out of his posterior because I was pushing for
    one).

    I never tell them Dorothy has died. Only that she is no longer
    at this number. It's none of their f'ing business.

    (I normally don't answer the landline, but while Mark was in the >hospital/nursing home, and then afterwards for a while, I did, because
    it could have been important.)

    Good reason to answer. Might relieve some stress to yell at
    them.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Steve Coltrin@spcoltri@omcl.org to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Fri Jun 20 08:42:53 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    begin fnord
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:

    [Hal Heydt]
    I still get calls asking for my late wife--who died at the end of
    June 2022.

    My mother died in 2016 and the AARP is still sending her letters trying
    to get her to join. Their money to waste.

    (We haven't had a landline since the Noughties. Her cell phone number
    has long since gone back into the pool. I suppose I have access to her
    email and social media - I've got her little black book - but I never
    once checked them. No doubt someone wants to tut tut at me over that;
    they should save their electrons.)
    --
    Steve Coltrin spcoltri@omcl.org
    "A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
    to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
    - Associated Press
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Evelyn C. Leeper@evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Fri Jun 20 08:17:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    On 6/19/25 10:29 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <10329ko$7gl9$1@dont-email.me>,
    Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:

    I got a spam call two days after Mark died. When the spammer asked how
    I was, I said "My husband died two days ago; what do you think?" and he
    immediately launched into his spiel.

    [Hal Heydt]
    Typically crass behavior. I don't confirm or deny data,
    particularly medical data. Often, I will ask where they got what
    they claim is medical data about me (which is either so common to
    be pure guesswork or flat out wrong). I will push for them to
    tell me what doctor supplied it, with the implication that
    *somebody* is going to be in trouble over HIPAA violations.

    One call actually named a doctor...but not one of mine (I think
    he pulled a name out of his posterior because I was pushing for
    one).

    I never tell them Dorothy has died. Only that she is no longer
    at this number. It's none of their f'ing business.

    Given that his obituary was posted on the Internet, and in File 770, and
    who knows where else, it wasn't exactly a secret. And spammers who
    would use that information already have ways to get it. (The number of calls/mails offering to buy my house has risen dramatically since Mark
    died.)

    It's like my email address--it's all over the place already.
    --
    Evelyn C. Leeper, http://leepers.us/evelyn
    Trump promised if I voted for Harris in 2024 the stock
    market would crash. I did, and it has. -uncredited
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From djheydt@djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Fri Jun 20 15:03:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    In article <m2y0tmbhjm.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
    Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
    begin fnord
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:

    [Hal Heydt]
    I still get calls asking for my late wife--who died at the end of
    June 2022.

    My mother died in 2016 and the AARP is still sending her letters trying
    to get her to join. Their money to waste.

    (We haven't had a landline since the Noughties. Her cell phone number
    has long since gone back into the pool. I suppose I have access to her
    email and social media - I've got her little black book - but I never
    once checked them. No doubt someone wants to tut tut at me over that;
    they should save their electrons.)

    [Hal Heydt]
    I'm still keeping an eye on my late wife's e-mail accounts
    (yes...plural). I don't know if my mother ever had an e-mail
    account. She died in 2005. My father certainly didn't. He died
    in 1975.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From djheydt@djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Fri Jun 20 23:26:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    In article <1033jg5$qa9$1@dont-email.me>,
    Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/19/25 10:29 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <10329ko$7gl9$1@dont-email.me>,
    Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:

    I got a spam call two days after Mark died. When the spammer asked how
    I was, I said "My husband died two days ago; what do you think?" and he
    immediately launched into his spiel.

    [Hal Heydt]
    Typically crass behavior. I don't confirm or deny data,
    particularly medical data. Often, I will ask where they got what
    they claim is medical data about me (which is either so common to
    be pure guesswork or flat out wrong). I will push for them to
    tell me what doctor supplied it, with the implication that
    *somebody* is going to be in trouble over HIPAA violations.

    One call actually named a doctor...but not one of mine (I think
    he pulled a name out of his posterior because I was pushing for
    one).

    I never tell them Dorothy has died. Only that she is no longer
    at this number. It's none of their f'ing business.

    Given that his obituary was posted on the Internet, and in File 770, and
    who knows where else, it wasn't exactly a secret. And spammers who
    would use that information already have ways to get it. (The number of >calls/mails offering to buy my house has risen dramatically since Mark >died.)

    It's like my email address--it's all over the place already.

    [Hal Heydt]
    Yup. Dorothy's death was posted (not by me) to Facebork
    and Wikipedia, plus newsgroups.

    I can tell when someone has run a "make money by flipping houses"
    seminar in the area where the house is that I inherited when my
    mother died. I get a rash of mail, and one or two phone calls,
    wanting to buy it. The callers get a firm "not for sale" and the
    snail mail goes straight to the recycling bin.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Jay Morris@morrisj@epsilon3.me to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jun 22 19:33:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    On 6/19/2025 2:36 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    A real irritation is the kind of call I got this morning asking
    for her. When told that she was no longer at this number, the
    guy launched into his fund raising spiel at me.

    I get...

    Caller: Speak to Judy Whois please.

    Me: Sorry, no one here by that name.

    Caller: Well, I was calling about the opportunity to [click]

    Used to anyway. My cell service has gotten very good at identifying spam
    or telemarketers.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From djheydt@djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Mon Jun 23 01:51:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    In article <103a7cj$qrjl$1@epsilon3.eternal-september.org>,
    Jay Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.me> wrote:
    On 6/19/2025 2:36 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    A real irritation is the kind of call I got this morning asking
    for her. When told that she was no longer at this number, the
    guy launched into his fund raising spiel at me.

    I get...

    Caller: Speak to Judy Whois please.

    Me: Sorry, no one here by that name.

    Caller: Well, I was calling about the opportunity to [click]

    Used to anyway. My cell service has gotten very good at identifying spam
    or telemarketers.

    [Hal Heydt]
    Yup...pretty much that.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Steve Coltrin@spcoltri@omcl.org to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Mon Jun 23 08:45:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    begin fnord
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:

    [Hal Heydt]

    I can tell when someone has run a "make money by flipping houses"
    seminar in the area where the house is that I inherited when my
    mother died. I get a rash of mail, and one or two phone calls,
    wanting to buy it. The callers get a firm "not for sale" and the
    snail mail goes straight to the recycling bin.

    I get texts occasionally. They get a short Anglo-Saxon reply and then
    reported to AT&T and Apple as spammers.
    --
    Steve Coltrin spcoltri@omcl.org
    "A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
    to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
    - Associated Press
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2