• Re: Church Bell Ringing - English style!

    From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to england.religion.christian,alt.books,rec.arts.books on Sun Aug 31 19:01:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 17:17:19 +0100, Timreason
    <timreason@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

    There is a lot more to this than most people probably think. I have been >ringing now for around 18 months. There's still a lot to learn.

    English bell ringing differs, in that the bells are 'Rung up' first,
    until they are completely inverted. Then they are swung completely
    through 360 degrees. That, rather than just rung from side to side as is
    the case in many other countries.

    It takes quite a lot of practice, with tutorial assistance, just to
    master the technique of ringing the bell safely, and ringing up (getting
    the bell up to the inverted position) and ringing down (returning it to
    the normal hanging position, which is the 'safe' state for it.)

    Once having got to the stage where you can ring the bell without
    assistance, then you start to learn to ring with others. Initially, just >following another bell in sequence, usually that is from the smallest >(highest note bell) through to the largest (lowest note) bell. Called >'Ringing in rounds'. Then you start to learn different 'changes' which
    make the sound more interesting and varied.

    You can go on learning more for a lifetime!

    Very interesting.

    (It would have been nice to share this kind of thing on a certain other >newsgroup, too. But that group has been effectively destroyed now, sadly.)

    I wonder which one that is?

    If you haven't read "The Nine Tailors" by Dorothy Sayers, you might
    enjoy it.

    It's a murder mystery, in which bell-ringing plays a part.
    --
    Stephen Hayes, Author of The Year of the Dragon
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  • From Timreason@timreason@hotmail.co.uk to england.religion.christian,alt.books,rec.arts.books on Sun Aug 31 19:05:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    On 31/08/2025 18:01, Steve Hayes wrote:


    If you haven't read "The Nine Tailors" by Dorothy Sayers, you might
    enjoy it.

    It's a murder mystery, in which bell-ringing plays a part.


    Thanks for that, I'm always looking for interesting reads.

    Tim.


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  • From Timreason@timreason@hotmail.co.uk to england.religion.christian,alt.books,rec.arts.books on Sun Aug 31 21:17:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    On 31/08/2025 18:01, Steve Hayes wrote:


    If you haven't read "The Nine Tailors" by Dorothy Sayers, you might
    enjoy it.

    It's a murder mystery, in which bell-ringing plays a part.



    I have bought the Kindle edition, I've only read the short forward
    written by the author so far, but she starts with:

    "From time to time complaints are made about the ringing of church bells."

    Yes! A German lady complained because we were practising and learning on Wednesday mornings from 10 to 12. Apparently it was during her coffee mornings. However, she was the only complainant - and we were allowed to
    carry on, since it was deemed reasonable that someone near a church with
    bells should expect them to be rung sometimes...

    So, if someone doesn't want to hear church bells, they shouldn't choose
    a home near a church with bells.

    The author goes on to mention that, (as I said), English bell-ringing is
    a uniquely English invention and tradition. Part of our 'Unique
    heritage', as Dorothy wrote.

    I notice also her reference to East Anglia. My mother's people came from
    East Anglia, near the Norfolk/Suffolk border (I was always told to say
    that we were 'From Norfolk'!)

    So I already think I will enjoy this book.

    Thanks again.

    Tim.

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  • From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to england.religion.christian,alt.books,rec.arts.books on Mon Sep 1 06:36:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 21:17:17 +0100, Timreason
    <timreason@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

    On 31/08/2025 18:01, Steve Hayes wrote:


    If you haven't read "The Nine Tailors" by Dorothy Sayers, you might
    enjoy it.

    It's a murder mystery, in which bell-ringing plays a part.



    I have bought the Kindle edition, I've only read the short forward
    written by the author so far, but she starts with:

    "From time to time complaints are made about the ringing of church bells."

    Yes! A German lady complained because we were practising and learning on >Wednesday mornings from 10 to 12. Apparently it was during her coffee >mornings. However, she was the only complainant - and we were allowed to >carry on, since it was deemed reasonable that someone near a church with >bells should expect them to be rung sometimes...

    So, if someone doesn't want to hear church bells, they shouldn't choose
    a home near a church with bells.

    The author goes on to mention that, (as I said), English bell-ringing is
    a uniquely English invention and tradition. Part of our 'Unique
    heritage', as Dorothy wrote.

    I notice also her reference to East Anglia. My mother's people came from >East Anglia, near the Norfolk/Suffolk border (I was always told to say
    that we were 'From Norfolk'!)

    So I already think I will enjoy this book.

    If you've enjoyed it so far, I'm sure you will enjoy the rest!

    She goes into quite a lot of detail about bell ringing.

    We go to an Orthodox Church, where they use a different technique,
    with ropes attached to the clappers rather than swinging the bells
    themselves.
    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
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