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On Wed, 3 Sep 2025 09:11:41 -0700, duke wrote:

From the article:

The guest, a Cornell chemistry professor named David Collum,
then spelled out what he meant: rCLOne can make the argument we
should have sided with Hitler and fought Stalin.rCY

Actually, this is what the US tried to do, by maintaining diplomatic
relations with Nazi Germany right up until the last minute.

FDR and Churchill conspired (with Sir William Stephenson, aka secret
agent rCLIntrepidrCY, as go-between) to bring the US into the war on the
side of the UK, against the wishes of Congress. If they hadnrCOt
succeeded, how do you think things would have turned out?

This is what makes Trump's phony crusade against "antisemitism" on
university campuses so laughable. The American far right has
*always* been virulently antisemitic, and they're no different from
the antisemite of 1940 who wanted us either to stay out of the war
or to enter it in support of the Nazis.

So what exactly puts them (or at least a large faction of them) so
uncritically and unconditionally on the side of Israel and the
atrocities it is committing? Is it unacknowledged guilt about the fact
that they still hate Jews? Is it some aspect of Christian ideology
about the founding of the state of Israel being part of the advent of
the rCLend timesrCY?

Maybe both. Both reasons are equally nuts. And these nuts are a danger
to the world.
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On 9/3/2025 9:27 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 3 Sep 2025 09:11:41 -0700, duke wrote:

From the article:

The guest, a Cornell chemistry professor named David Collum,
then spelled out what he meant: rCLOne can make the argument we
should have sided with Hitler and fought Stalin.rCY

Actually, this is what the US tried to do, by maintaining diplomatic relations with Nazi Germany right up until the last minute.

FDR and Churchill conspired (with Sir William Stephenson, aka secret
agent rCLIntrepidrCY, as go-between) to bring the US into the war on the
side of the UK, against the wishes of Congress. If they hadnrCOt
succeeded, how do you think things would have turned out?

This is what makes Trump's phony crusade against "antisemitism" on
university campuses so laughable. The American far right has
*always* been virulently antisemitic, and they're no different from
the antisemite of 1940 who wanted us either to stay out of the war
or to enter it in support of the Nazis.

So what exactly puts them (or at least a large faction of them) so uncritically and unconditionally on the side of Israel and the
atrocities it is committing? Is it unacknowledged guilt about the fact
that they still hate Jews? Is it some aspect of Christian ideology
about the founding of the state of Israel being part of the advent of
the rCLend timesrCY?

It's absolutely the second. The American far right is infested with "evangelicals" who hope to hasten the arrival of "end times."
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Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 3 Sep 2025 09:11:41 -0700, duke wrote:

From the article:

The guest, a Cornell chemistry professor named David Collum,
then spelled out what he meant: rCLOne can make the argument we
should have sided with Hitler and fought Stalin.rCY

Actually, this is what the US tried to do, by maintaining diplomatic relations with Nazi Germany right up until the last minute.

There was no reason not to maintain relations
as that was a nice intel pipeline.

FDR and Churchill conspired (with Sir William Stephenson, aka secret
agent rCLIntrepidrCY, as go-between) to bring the US into the war on the
side of the UK, against the wishes of Congress. If they hadnrCOt
succeeded, how do you think things would have turned out?

We DID come in the UK's side. What the heck do you
think Leand Lease was??? (and on a related note,
look at FDR's "planes planes and more planes" speech)

AND, Churchill did not become PM until May 1940. Now, when
did the war start, erm?



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Gronk wrote:

The guest, a Cornell chemistry professor named David Collum,
then spelled out what he meant: rCLOne can make the argument we
should have sided with Hitler and fought Stalin.rCY

Actually, this is what the US tried to do, by maintaining diplomatic
relations with Nazi Germany right up until the last minute.

There was no reason not to maintain relations

The USA never chose to start a war with Germany. Nor USSR. Nor Japan.
The USA was sort of neutral.

It was Japan that first declared war against the USA. That is when we reciprocate and joined the war with Japan. We remained officially
neutral against Germany.

The USSR remained neutral with the USA. Germany decided to declare war
against the USA. That was when Germany declared war on the USA, and we reciprocated. The USSR remained neutral with the USA.

As neutrals we could sell goods to belligerents as we saw fit. We can
defend shipping in international waters against all hazards.
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chine.bleu wrote:

Gronk wrote:

-a-a-a-a The guest, a Cornell chemistry professor named David Collum,
-a-a-a-a then spelled out what he meant: rCLOne can make the argument we >>>> -a-a-a-a should have sided with Hitler and fought Stalin.rCY

Actually, this is what the US tried to do, by maintaining diplomatic
relations with Nazi Germany right up until the last minute.

There was no reason not to maintain relations

The USA never chose to start a war with Germany. Nor USSR. Nor Japan.
The USA was sort of neutral.

It was Japan that first declared war against the USA. That is when we reciprocate and joined the war with Japan. We remained officially
neutral against Germany.

The USSR remained neutral with the USA. Germany decided to declare war against the USA. That was when Germany declared war on the USA, and we reciprocated. The USSR remained neutral with the USA.

As neutrals we could sell goods to belligerents as we saw fit. We can
defend shipping in international waters against all hazards.

Correct.
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