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The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for
election are not the ones running the election.
On 8/31/2025 3:29 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and
elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for
election are not the ones running the election.
State politicians *absolutely* have power over how elections are run.
On 9/2/25 4:19 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 02:35:10 -0500, super70s wrote:
On 2025-09-02 01:44:25 +0000, Lawrence D-|Oliveiro said:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 08:33:29 -0700, J Carlson wrote:
On 8/31/2025 3:29 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:Another reason why your democracy is broken.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >>>>>
The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and >>>>> elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for >>>>> election are not the ones running the election.
State politicians *absolutely* have power over how elections are run. >>>
The original vision of the Framers has been chronically fucked over the
years through corruption and greed until it's almost unrecognizable
(hello Citizens United v. FEC/Roberts Court/Trump v. United
States/etc.) but what can you do.
In a democracy, you should be able to do plenty.
By the time Jefferson became POTUS he was *shocked*
at how corrupt and messy his 'perfect system' had
become.
Alas this seems to be the human norm. Politics and
ideological/philosophical "perfection" do NOT get along.
On 9/2/25 4:19 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 02:35:10 -0500, super70s wrote:
On 2025-09-02 01:44:25 +0000, Lawrence D-|Oliveiro said:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 08:33:29 -0700, J Carlson wrote:
On 8/31/2025 3:29 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:Another reason why your democracy is broken.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >>>>>>
The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and >>>>>> elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for >>>>>> election are not the ones running the election.
State politicians *absolutely* have power over how elections are run. >>>>
The original vision of the Framers has been chronically fucked over the
years through corruption and greed until it's almost unrecognizable
(hello Citizens United v. FEC/Roberts Court/Trump v. United
States/etc.) but what can you do.
In a democracy, you should be able to do plenty.
-a By the time Jefferson became POTUS he was *shocked*
-a at how corrupt and messy his 'perfect system' had
-a become.
-a Alas this seems to be the human norm. Politics and
-a ideological/philosophical "perfection" do NOT [shrieking] get along.
In article <nECdnUpJMZqzWiv1nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
On 9/2/25 4:19 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 02:35:10 -0500, super70s wrote:
On 2025-09-02 01:44:25 +0000, Lawrence D-|Oliveiro said:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 08:33:29 -0700, J Carlson wrote:
On 8/31/2025 3:29 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:Another reason why your democracy is broken.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >>>>>>>
The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and >>>>>>> elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for >>>>>>> election are not the ones running the election.
State politicians *absolutely* have power over how elections are run. >>>>>
The original vision of the Framers has been chronically fucked over the >>>> years through corruption and greed until it's almost unrecognizable
(hello Citizens United v. FEC/Roberts Court/Trump v. United
States/etc.) but what can you do.
In a democracy, you should be able to do plenty.
By the time Jefferson became POTUS he was *shocked*
at how corrupt and messy his 'perfect system' had
become.
Alas this seems to be the human norm. Politics and
ideological/philosophical "perfection" do NOT get along.
Nobody's expecting "perfection," even Jefferson who was hostile to a
strong central government and political parties. We're just expecting
the guardrails that have protected our democracy for centuries not to be
torn down by a megalomaniac con man.
Jefferson or none of the other Framers foresaw a character like Trump
coming down the pike and tearing down the separation of powers, turning
the country into an autocracy, using the military against our own
people, and blatantly using the office to enrich himself.
In our 250 year history no other president was dishonorable enough to do
that -- not even our most corrupt ones like, say, Warren Harding and
Richard Nixon.
On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 08:33:29 -0700, J Carlson wrote:
On 8/31/2025 3:29 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and
elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for
election are not the ones running the election.
State politicians *absolutely* have power over how elections are run.
Another reason why your democracy is broken.
On 2025-09-02 01:44:25 +0000, Lawrence D-|Oliveiro said:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 08:33:29 -0700, J Carlson wrote:
On 8/31/2025 3:29 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and
elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for
election are not the ones running the election.
State politicians *absolutely* have power over how elections are run.
Another reason why your democracy is broken.
The original vision of the Framers has been chronically fucked over the years through corruption and greed until it's almost unrecognizable
(hello Citizens United v. FEC/Roberts Court/Trump v. United
States/etc.) but what can you do.
Jefferson or none of the other Framers foresaw a character like Trump
coming down the pike and tearing down the separation of powers, turning
the country into an autocracy, using the military against our own
people, and blatantly using the office to enrich himself.
The answer is not just to throw up our hands and say, "Well, they
all do it."
On Tue, 02 Sep 2025 16:16:41 -0500, super70s wrote:
Jefferson or none of the other Framers foresaw a character like Trump
coming down the pike and tearing down the separation of powers, turning
the country into an autocracy, using the military against our own
people, and blatantly using the office to enrich himself.
They were preoccupied with rCLkingsrCY, as I recall. They had never heard of the concept of rCLdictatorsrCY.
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 14:23:59 -0700, Matt Singer wrote:
The answer is not just to throw up our hands and say, "Well, they
all do it."
rCLIn an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached
the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and
nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true.
... Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all
times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not
particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement
to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their
propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic
statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in
cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they
would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a
lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical
cleverness.rCY
rCo Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 02:35:10 -0500, super70s wrote:
On 2025-09-02 01:44:25 +0000, Lawrence D-|Oliveiro said:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 08:33:29 -0700, J Carlson wrote:
On 8/31/2025 3:29 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and >>>>> elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for >>>>> election are not the ones running the election.
State politicians *absolutely* have power over how elections are run.
Another reason why your democracy is broken.
The original vision of the Framers has been chronically fucked over the
years through corruption and greed until it's almost unrecognizable
(hello Citizens United v. FEC/Roberts Court/Trump v. United
States/etc.) but what can you do.
In a democracy, you should be able to do plenty.
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 02:35:10 -0500, super70s wrote:
On 2025-09-02 01:44:25 +0000, Lawrence D|Oliveiro said:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 08:33:29 -0700, J Carlson wrote:
On 8/31/2025 3:29 PM, Lawrence DAOliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and >>>>> elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for >>>>> election are not the ones running the election.
State politicians *absolutely* have power over how elections are run.
Another reason why your democracy is broken.
The original vision of the Framers has been chronically fucked over the
years through corruption and greed until it's almost unrecognizable
(hello Citizens United v. FEC/Roberts Court/Trump v. United
States/etc.) but what can you do.
In a democracy, you should be able to do plenty.
<snip>
Nobody's expecting "perfection," even Jefferson who was hostile to a
strong central government and political parties. We're just expecting
the guardrails that have protected our democracy for centuries not to be torn down by a megalomaniac con man.
Jefferson or none of the other Framers foresaw a character like Trump
coming down the pike and tearing down the separation of powers, turning
the country into an autocracy, using the military against our own
people, and blatantly using the office to enrich himself.
In our 250 year history no other president was dishonorable enough to do that -- not even our most corrupt ones like, say, Warren Harding and
Richard Nixon.
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 08:19:07 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D|+Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 02:35:10 -0500, super70s wrote:
On 2025-09-02 01:44:25 +0000, Lawrence D-|Oliveiro said:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 08:33:29 -0700, J Carlson wrote:
On 8/31/2025 3:29 PM, Lawrence D-AOliveiro wrote:Another reason why your democracy is broken.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >>>>>>
The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and >>>>>> elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for >>>>>> election are not the ones running the election.
State politicians *absolutely* have power over how elections are run. >>>>
The original vision of the Framers has been chronically fucked over the >>> years through corruption and greed until it's almost unrecognizable
(hello Citizens United v. FEC/Roberts Court/Trump v. United
States/etc.) but what can you do.
In a democracy, you should be able to do plenty.
But all that's happened so far is both sides have sunk to the other
side's level.
On 2025-09-03, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 08:19:07 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D|+Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 02:35:10 -0500, super70s wrote:
On 2025-09-02 01:44:25 +0000, Lawrence D-|Oliveiro said:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 08:33:29 -0700, J Carlson wrote:
On 8/31/2025 3:29 PM, Lawrence D-AOliveiro wrote:Another reason why your democracy is broken.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >>>>>>>
The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and >>>>>>> elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for >>>>>>> election are not the ones running the election.
State politicians *absolutely* have power over how elections are run. >>>>>
The original vision of the Framers has been chronically fucked over the >>>> years through corruption and greed until it's almost unrecognizable
(hello Citizens United v. FEC/Roberts Court/Trump v. United
States/etc.) but what can you do.
In a democracy, you should be able to do plenty.
But all that's happened so far is both sides have sunk to the other
side's level.
And the typical Trump voter is an ill informed idiot.
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 14:23:59 -0700, Matt Singer wrote:
The answer is not just to throw up our hands and say, "Well, they
all do it."
oIn an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached
the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and
nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true.
... Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all
times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not
particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement
to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their
propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such >conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic
statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given >irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in
cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they
would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a
lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical
cleverness.o
? Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
On 2025-09-03, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 08:19:07 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D Oliveiro >><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 02:35:10 -0500, super70s wrote:
On 2025-09-02 01:44:25 +0000, Lawrence D|Oliveiro said:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 08:33:29 -0700, J Carlson wrote:
On 8/31/2025 3:29 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:Another reason why your democracy is broken.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >>>>>>>
The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and >>>>>>> elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for >>>>>>> election are not the ones running the election.
State politicians *absolutely* have power over how elections are run. >>>>>
The original vision of the Framers has been chronically fucked over the >>>> years through corruption and greed until it's almost unrecognizable
(hello Citizens United v. FEC/Roberts Court/Trump v. United
States/etc.) but what can you do.
In a democracy, you should be able to do plenty.
But all that's happened so far is both sides have sunk to the other
side's level.
And the typical voter is an ill informed idiot.
On 9/3/2025 7:35 AM, pothead wrote:
On 2025-09-03, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 08:19:07 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 02:35:10 -0500, super70s wrote:
On 2025-09-02 01:44:25 +0000, Lawrence D|Oliveiro said:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 08:33:29 -0700, J Carlson wrote:
On 8/31/2025 3:29 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:Another reason why your democracy is broken.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >>>>>>>>
The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.
*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and >>>>>>>> elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for >>>>>>>> election are not the ones running the election.
State politicians *absolutely* have power over how elections are run. >>>>>>
The original vision of the Framers has been chronically fucked over the >>>>> years through corruption and greed until it's almost unrecognizable
(hello Citizens United v. FEC/Roberts Court/Trump v. United
States/etc.) but what can you do.
In a democracy, you should be able to do plenty.
But all that's happened so far is both sides have sunk to the other
side's level.
And the typical Trump voter is an ill informed idiot.
That's right.
But all that's happened so far is both sides have sunk to the other
side's level.
If you think leftists are better somehow than rightists, you're as bad
as they are.
On Wed, 03 Sep 2025 03:17:15 -0400, Governor Swill wrote:
But all that's happened so far is both sides have sunk to the other
side's level.
What happened to Michelle ObamarCOs exhortation that rCLwhen they go low, we go highrCY?
On Wed, 03 Sep 2025 03:17:15 -0400, Governor Swill wrote:
But all that's happened so far is both sides have sunk to the other
side's level.
What happened to Michelle ObamarCOs exhortation that rCLwhen they go low, we go highrCY?
On Wed, 03 Sep 2025 03:17:15 -0400, Governor Swill wrote:
But all that's happened so far is both sides have sunk to the other
side's level.
What happened to Michelle ObamaAs exhortation that owhen they go low, we
go higho?