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Former Efc|Efc+ PM Helen Clark, along with former Efc<Efc- President Mary Robinson, paid a visit to the Rafah crossing and witnessed first-hand IsraelrCOs systematic blocking of desperately-needed aid shipments into
Gaza <https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360788445/after-going-gaza-border-and-seeing-aid-get-turned-back-helen-clark-had-withering-words-nz>.

Twice in the time IrCOve been in NZ, I have witnessed this country take
a courageously independent stand against the wishes of the USA and our
own neighbour Australia. The last example was in 2003, when Clark was
our Prime Minister; she refused to have us jump into the disastrous
Iraq invasion that George W Bush and Tony Blair were trying to coax
everybody into joining in. Certainly the Aussies were keen on that
one.

IrCOve said more than once, that Australia would like to be the US when
it grows up. But here, we have the issue of the recognition of a
Palestinian state, where for once the Aussies are ahead of us, having
already announced their decision while our own Government is still
hemming and hawing over whether itrCOs a good idea.

The right of self-determination of a nation is a non-negotiable right.
It is not some bargaining chip to be used to rCLrewardrCY anybody for
behaving like obedient, subservient colonized subjects of repressive
and brutal colonizers.
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 01:11:06 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Former ?? PM Helen Clark, along with former ?? President Mary
Robinson, paid a visit to the Rafah crossing and witnessed first-hand >IsraelAs systematic blocking of desperately-needed aid shipments into
Gaza ><https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360788445/after-going-gaza-border-and-seeing-aid-get-turned-back-helen-clark-had-withering-words-nz>.

or https://tinyurl.com/4435hj7d

If you can believe American operated media which both NZ & Australia
have?

The fats I get are

"The reasons for trucks being turned around include Israeli rejection
of specific cargoes and overall restrictions imposed in the context of
ongoing conflict and heightened security. Egyptian officials and aid
agencies report that large stockpiles of aid are waiting at the border
for clearance, with more than 3,000 tons queued and thousands of
trucks stuck at the Rafah side of the crossing. UN and international
agencies have voiced concern over the systematic paralysis of
humanitarian assistance in Gaza and growing famine risk.

Israeli authorities have stated that humanitarian corridors and
opauseso are being implemented to ease congestion, but bottlenecks and selective approvals persist."
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

Former Efc|Efc+ PM Helen Clark, along with former Efc<Efc- President Mary Robinson, paid a visit to the Rafah crossing and witnessed first-hand IsraelrCOs systematic blocking of desperately-needed aid shipments into
Gaza <https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360788445/after-going-gaza-border-and-seeing-aid-get-turned-back-helen-clark-had-withering-words-nz>.

Twice in the time IrCOve been in NZ, I have witnessed this country take
a courageously independent stand against the wishes of the USA and our
own neighbour Australia. ...

Taking stance against countries doing horrible thing is not only
ethically understandable but it is also a duty for every civilised
nation on the planet.

IrCOve said more than once, that Australia would like to be the US when
it grows up.

Rubbish! Just because some US brown nosing right winger luminaries would
love to transmogrify Australia into a US clone for their own power obsessed,wealth hoarding hard capitalist and/or racist culture warring
ego maniac reasons, it does not mean the rest of us, Ozi battlers desire
the same. Just the opposite is true.

But here, we have the issue of the recognition of a
Palestinian state, where for once the Aussies are ahead of us, having
already announced their decision while our own Government is still
hemming and hawing over whether itrCOs a good idea.

I am afraid the two state solution concept has become completely
unworkable given the on ground realities Israel's Zionist extremist
genocidal government has created.

What we can still do is to recognise that Palestinians are a coexistence deserving ethnic group, which after a disarmament by a joint UN military
force of this gone completely rouge Israeli war machine, should be
integrated into an economically viable multi ethnic Israel-Palestine
state based on the Swiss cantonal political model.

The right of self-determination of a nation is a non-negotiable right.
It is not some bargaining chip to be used to rCLrewardrCY anybody for behaving like obedient, subservient colonized subjects of repressive
and brutal colonizers.

I am not disagreeing, but I just do not see how the now completely
ruined Palestine in its current form can ever become an economically
viable entity even if Israel was forced to give up its genocidal
obsession. We need to find an actually workable solution to save
Palestinians from utter annihilation.
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2025, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: |---------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"The last example was in 2003, when Clark was our Prime Minister; she| |refused to have us jump into the disastrous Iraq invasion that George|
|W Bush and Tony Blair were trying to coax everybody into joining in."| |---------------------------------------------------------------------|

Cf. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/drochdhliodoiri/mu/na_Staitean_Aonaichte_Aimeireaga/George_Walker_Bush/George_Walker_Bush_about_a_war.webm
via "Have I Got News For You" (
HTTPS://WWW.BBC.co.UK/programmes/b006mkw3
).
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