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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567061/watch-minister-erica-stanford-makes-education-announcement
This is what being on track looks like.
Open-plan classrooms have been tried and have proven to be a bit of a >failure. So the Government is going to build rooms fit for purpose.
Teachers are overall on board with this.
From Chris Hipkins
"The problem is the evidence is highly varied. So I think the best
thing to do is just to say to schools that the approach you take
to teaching kids is up to you, but we know the quality of teaching
is what matters, not the nature of the classroom. That's why I
said it was up to schools to make that determination."
Yes, the quality of teaching matters but so does the nature of the
classroom.
On 16 Jul 2025 08:24:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:No that's you and Labour - see the Ardern mess during covid. Sir Ian T is correct.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567061/watch-minister-erica-stanford-makes-education-announcement
This is what being on track looks like.
Open-plan classrooms have been tried and have proven to be a bit of a >>failure. So the Government is going to build rooms fit for purpose.
Teachers are overall on board with this.
From Chris Hipkins
"The problem is the evidence is highly varied. So I think the best
thing to do is just to say to schools that the approach you take
to teaching kids is up to you, but we know the quality of teaching
is what matters, not the nature of the classroom. That's why I
said it was up to schools to make that determination."
Yes, the quality of teaching matters but so does the nature of the >>classroom.
There was quite a fuss when the Key Government made the in9tia
decision to push for the 'big barn' format - based on no evidence.
Most schools that were inflicted with them paid for folding doors to
make two rooms. I doubt if they saved much money on construction . . .
but it confirms that the National Party are less inclined to base
decisions on real evidence - a personal opinion is much easier . . .
Labour let schools make the decision; so this flip flop by NationalNot a flip-flop, an intelligent well considered decision - a rarity in government.
will actually make little difference to anyone, but it is interesting
that she made a production out of a non-decision - and again linked it
to a personal opinion. All it confirms is that professional advice
will usually hold sway over professional advice for National Party
decisions. Someone may ask what advice she received before making the >non-decision, but otherwise it really isn't worth wasting time on.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 16 Jul 2025 08:24:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:No that's you and Labour - see the Ardern mess during covid. Sir Ian T is >correct.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567061/watch-minister-erica-stanford-makes-education-announcement
This is what being on track looks like.
Open-plan classrooms have been tried and have proven to be a bit of a >>>failure. So the Government is going to build rooms fit for purpose.
Teachers are overall on board with this.
From Chris Hipkins
"The problem is the evidence is highly varied. So I think the best
thing to do is just to say to schools that the approach you take
to teaching kids is up to you, but we know the quality of teaching
is what matters, not the nature of the classroom. That's why I
said it was up to schools to make that determination."
Yes, the quality of teaching matters but so does the nature of the >>>classroom.
There was quite a fuss when the Key Government made the in9tia
decision to push for the 'big barn' format - based on no evidence.
Most schools that were inflicted with them paid for folding doors to
make two rooms. I doubt if they saved much money on construction . . .
but it confirms that the National Party are less inclined to base
decisions on real evidence - a personal opinion is much easier . . .
Not a flip-flop, an intelligent well considered decision - a rarity in >government.
Labour let schools make the decision; so this flip flop by National
will actually make little difference to anyone, but it is interesting
that she made a production out of a non-decision - and again linked it
to a personal opinion. All it confirms is that professional advice
will usually hold sway over professional advice for National Party >>decisions. Someone may ask what advice she received before making the >>non-decision, but otherwise it really isn't worth wasting time on.
On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 20:01:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, there we all have it, The government is doing the correct thing unlike the last mob.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 16 Jul 2025 08:24:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:No that's you and Labour - see the Ardern mess during covid. Sir Ian T is >>correct.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567061/watch-minister-erica-stanford-makes-education-announcement
This is what being on track looks like.
Open-plan classrooms have been tried and have proven to be a bit of a >>>>failure. So the Government is going to build rooms fit for purpose.
Teachers are overall on board with this.
From Chris Hipkins
"The problem is the evidence is highly varied. So I think the best >>>>thing to do is just to say to schools that the approach you take
to teaching kids is up to you, but we know the quality of teaching
is what matters, not the nature of the classroom. That's why I
said it was up to schools to make that determination."
Yes, the quality of teaching matters but so does the nature of the >>>>classroom.
There was quite a fuss when the Key Government made the in9tia
decision to push for the 'big barn' format - based on no evidence.
Most schools that were inflicted with them paid for folding doors to
make two rooms. I doubt if they saved much money on construction . . . >>>but it confirms that the National Party are less inclined to base >>>decisions on real evidence - a personal opinion is much easier . . .
From the article posted above:
""Overwhelming feedback I've received from schools across New Zealand
is open-plan classrooms aren't meeting the needs of students,"
Stanford said."
and
"Labour leader Chris Hipkins said the quality of teaching was more
important than classroom design.
He said when he was education minister he let schools make the
decisions.
"The problem is the evidence is highly varied. So I think the best
thing to do is just to say to schools that the approach you take to
teaching kids is up to you, but we know the quality of teaching is
what matters, not the nature of the classroom. That's why I said it
was up to schools to make that determination."
So there you have it - National is prescriptive - only they make
decisions; and those decisions do not need evidence - National
politicians do not want others to make decisions . . .
"Sir Ian T" was not quoted in the article - are you going off on aYou are just being irrelavant as usual, of course it is pertinent.
tangent again, Tony?
Not a flip-flop, an intelligent well considered decision - a rarity in >>government.
Labour let schools make the decision; so this flip flop by National
will actually make little difference to anyone, but it is interesting >>>that she made a production out of a non-decision - and again linked it
to a personal opinion. All it confirms is that professional advice
will usually hold sway over professional advice for National Party >>>decisions. Someone may ask what advice she received before making the >>>non-decision, but otherwise it really isn't worth wasting time on.
Even now Stanford says making the decision rather than leave it to
those most affected - she says that if a school wanted an open plan
classroom they would have to "persuade" her - well we know what
Minister Shane Jones requires before he was "persuaded" - is that the
sort of "intelligent, well considered decision" you are referring to,
Tony?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The last mob was allowing schools to make their own decision - even
On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 20:01:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, there we all have it, The government is doing the correct thing unlike the
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 16 Jul 2025 08:24:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:No that's you and Labour - see the Ardern mess during covid. Sir Ian T is >>>correct.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567061/watch-minister-erica-stanford-makes-education-announcement
This is what being on track looks like.
Open-plan classrooms have been tried and have proven to be a bit of a >>>>>failure. So the Government is going to build rooms fit for purpose.
Teachers are overall on board with this.
From Chris Hipkins
"The problem is the evidence is highly varied. So I think the best >>>>>thing to do is just to say to schools that the approach you take
to teaching kids is up to you, but we know the quality of teaching >>>>>is what matters, not the nature of the classroom. That's why I
said it was up to schools to make that determination."
Yes, the quality of teaching matters but so does the nature of the >>>>>classroom.
There was quite a fuss when the Key Government made the in9tia
decision to push for the 'big barn' format - based on no evidence.
Most schools that were inflicted with them paid for folding doors to >>>>make two rooms. I doubt if they saved much money on construction . . . >>>>but it confirms that the National Party are less inclined to base >>>>decisions on real evidence - a personal opinion is much easier . . .
From the article posted above:
""Overwhelming feedback I've received from schools across New Zealand
is open-plan classrooms aren't meeting the needs of students,"
Stanford said."
and
"Labour leader Chris Hipkins said the quality of teaching was more >>important than classroom design.
He said when he was education minister he let schools make the
decisions.
"The problem is the evidence is highly varied. So I think the best
thing to do is just to say to schools that the approach you take to >>teaching kids is up to you, but we know the quality of teaching is
what matters, not the nature of the classroom. That's why I said it
was up to schools to make that determination."
So there you have it - National is prescriptive - only they make
decisions; and those decisions do not need evidence - National
politicians do not want others to make decisions . . .
last mob.
Perhaps you could explain the relevance of the 1980s TV Series "TheYou are just being irrelavant as usual, of course it is pertinent.
"Sir Ian T" was not quoted in the article - are you going off on a
tangent again, Tony?
Now Tony goes all shy - some questions are better not answered by
Not a flip-flop, an intelligent well considered decision - a rarity in >>>government.
Labour let schools make the decision; so this flip flop by National >>>>will actually make little difference to anyone, but it is interesting >>>>that she made a production out of a non-decision - and again linked it >>>>to a personal opinion. All it confirms is that professional advice
will usually hold sway over professional advice for National Party >>>>decisions. Someone may ask what advice she received before making the >>>>non-decision, but otherwise it really isn't worth wasting time on.
Even now Stanford says making the decision rather than leave it to
those most affected - she says that if a school wanted an open plan >>classroom they would have to "persuade" her - well we know what
Minister Shane Jones requires before he was "persuaded" - is that the
sort of "intelligent, well considered decision" you are referring to,
Tony?
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:58:15 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat explains why they did it so badly eh?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The last mob was allowing schools to make their own decision
On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 20:01:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, there we all have it, The government is doing the correct thing unlike >>the
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 16 Jul 2025 08:24:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567061/watch-minister-erica-stanford-makes-education-announcement
This is what being on track looks like.
Open-plan classrooms have been tried and have proven to be a bit of a >>>>>>failure. So the Government is going to build rooms fit for purpose. >>>>>>
Teachers are overall on board with this.
From Chris Hipkins
"The problem is the evidence is highly varied. So I think the best >>>>>>thing to do is just to say to schools that the approach you take >>>>>>to teaching kids is up to you, but we know the quality of teaching >>>>>>is what matters, not the nature of the classroom. That's why I >>>>>>said it was up to schools to make that determination."
Yes, the quality of teaching matters but so does the nature of the >>>>>>classroom.
There was quite a fuss when the Key Government made the in9tia >>>>>decision to push for the 'big barn' format - based on no evidence. >>>>>Most schools that were inflicted with them paid for folding doors to >>>>>make two rooms. I doubt if they saved much money on construction . . . >>>>>but it confirms that the National Party are less inclined to base >>>>>decisions on real evidence - a personal opinion is much easier . . . >>>>No that's you and Labour - see the Ardern mess during covid. Sir Ian T is >>>>correct.
From the article posted above:
""Overwhelming feedback I've received from schools across New Zealand
is open-plan classrooms aren't meeting the needs of students,"
Stanford said."
and
"Labour leader Chris Hipkins said the quality of teaching was more >>>important than classroom design.
He said when he was education minister he let schools make the
decisions.
"The problem is the evidence is highly varied. So I think the best
thing to do is just to say to schools that the approach you take to >>>teaching kids is up to you, but we know the quality of teaching is
what matters, not the nature of the classroom. That's why I said it
was up to schools to make that determination."
So there you have it - National is prescriptive - only they make >>>decisions; and those decisions do not need evidence - National >>>politicians do not want others to make decisions . . .
last mob.
- evenER no, that is a lie. Labour are the autocrats as we all know.
now Stanford saying you will do it my way unless a school can persuade
her otherwise. . . . National just hate consultation or allowing
people to decide for themselves . . .
Never wathched it - do explain tghe relevance to your lies, if you can.Perhaps you could explain the relevance of the 1980s TV Series "TheYou are just being irrelavant as usual, of course it is pertinent.
"Sir Ian T" was not quoted in the article - are you going off on a >>>tangent again, Tony?
A-Team" to this situation, Tony . . .
I wouldn't know, I don't know anybody like that. and nor do you.Now Tony goes all shy - some questions are better not answered by
Not a flip-flop, an intelligent well considered decision - a rarity in >>>>government.
Labour let schools make the decision; so this flip flop by National >>>>>will actually make little difference to anyone, but it is interesting >>>>>that she made a production out of a non-decision - and again linked it >>>>>to a personal opinion. All it confirms is that professional advice >>>>>will usually hold sway over professional advice for National Party >>>>>decisions. Someone may ask what advice she received before making the >>>>>non-decision, but otherwise it really isn't worth wasting time on.
Even now Stanford says making the decision rather than leave it to
those most affected - she says that if a school wanted an open plan >>>classroom they would have to "persuade" her - well we know what
Minister Shane Jones requires before he was "persuaded" - is that the >>>sort of "intelligent, well considered decision" you are referring to, >>>Tony?
far-right true believers . . . "Right", Tony?