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This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . .Nope, just an unpalatable truth.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.htmlIndeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an
Nope, just an unpalatable truth.
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . .
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 06:13:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyI note your inability to express yourself.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.htmlIndeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an
Nope, just an unpalatable truth.
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . .
unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no
moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . .
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they
https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . .
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle choice to >sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public opinion so when a >Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep rough, this is >probably the public's perception.
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and Hipkins lied.
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they
https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . .
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle choice to >>sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public opinion so when a >>Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep rough, this is >>probably the public's perception.
asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that living
rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle
because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent. The
url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a Minister
he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he
preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the
Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they have >committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social
housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping wages
low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but I
suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . .
We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle choice to >>>sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public opinion so when a >>>Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep rough, this is >>>probably the public's perception.
asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that living >>rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle
because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent. The
url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a Minister
he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he
preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the >>Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they have >>committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social
housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping wages
low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but I >>suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies.
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and Hipkins lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year old. Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than Ardren however fortunately.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . .
To which your previous response Tony, was
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an
unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no
moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle choice to >>>>sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public opinion so when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep rough, this is >>>>probably the public's perception.
asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that living >>>rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle >>>because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent. The
url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a Minister
he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he >>>preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the >>>Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they have >>>committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social
housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping wages
low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but I >>>suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies.
To which your response was:
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and Hipkins >>lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on
accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing
your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard habit
to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are
tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year old. >Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than Ardren however >fortunately.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . .
To which your previous response Tony, was
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an >>unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no
moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they >>>>asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that living >>>>rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle >>>>because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent. The >>>>url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a Minister >>>>he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he >>>>preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the >>>>Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they have >>>>committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social >>>>housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping wages >>>>low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but I >>>>suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies.
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle choice to >>>>>sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public opinion so when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep rough, this is
probably the public's perception.
To which your response was:
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and Hipkins >>>lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on
accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing
your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard habit
to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are
tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . .
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:48:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyI am on topic and he is no worse and probably better than Ardern and Hiphins -
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year old. >>Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than Ardren however
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . .
To which your previous response Tony, was
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an >>>unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no
moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they >>>>>asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that living >>>>>rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle >>>>>because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent. The >>>>>url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a Minister >>>>>he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he >>>>>preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the >>>>>Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they have >>>>>committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social >>>>>housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping wages >>>>>low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but I >>>>>suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies.
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle choice to >>>>>>sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public opinion so >>>>>>when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep rough, this >>>>>>is
probably the public's perception.
To which your response was:
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and Hipkins >>>>lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on
accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing
your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard habit
to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are >>>tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . .
fortunately.
So there you go again, going off-topic to attack someone else in
trying to distract from a nasty lie by Mark Mitchell, who was lying to
try and distract from the real poverty being caused by this nasty >government's policies . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:48:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyI am on topic and he is no worse and probably better than Ardern and Hiphins -
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year old. >>>Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than Ardren however
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:To which your previous response Tony, was
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . . >>>>
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an >>>>unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no >>>>moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they >>>>>>asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that living >>>>>>rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle >>>>>>because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent. The >>>>>>url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a Minister >>>>>>he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he >>>>>>preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the >>>>>>Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they have >>>>>>committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social >>>>>>housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping wages >>>>>>low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but I >>>>>>suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies.
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle choice to >>>>>>>sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public opinion so >>>>>>>when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep rough, this
is
probably the public's perception.
To which your response was:
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and Hipkins >>>>>lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>>>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on >>>>accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing >>>>your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard habit >>>>to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are >>>>tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . .
fortunately.
So there you go again, going off-topic to attack someone else in
trying to distract from a nasty lie by Mark Mitchell, who was lying to
try and distract from the real poverty being caused by this nasty >>government's policies . . .
absolutely on topic - but you have no right to judge anybody on that matter, >none whatsoever.
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 07:10:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't be such a prat. I made no such agreement.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:48:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyI am on topic and he is no worse and probably better than Ardern and Hiphins
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year old. >>>>Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than Ardren >>>>however
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:To which your previous response Tony, was
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . . >>>>>
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an >>>>>unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no >>>>>moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they >>>>>>>asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that living >>>>>>>rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle >>>>>>>because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent. The >>>>>>>url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a Minister >>>>>>>he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he >>>>>>>preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the >>>>>>>Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they have >>>>>>>committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social >>>>>>>housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping wages >>>>>>>low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but I >>>>>>>suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies.
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle choice to
sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public opinion so >>>>>>>>when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep rough, >>>>>>>>this
is
probably the public's perception.
To which your response was:
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and Hipkins
lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>>>>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on >>>>>accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing >>>>>your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard habit >>>>>to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are >>>>>tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . .
fortunately.
So there you go again, going off-topic to attack someone else in
trying to distract from a nasty lie by Mark Mitchell, who was lying to >>>try and distract from the real poverty being caused by this nasty >>>government's policies . . .
-
absolutely on topic - but you have no right to judge anybody on that matter, >>none whatsoever.
So you agree that he lied, but you have not been able to name any
politician in either the current opposition or previous government who
made as and a lie as Mitchell - that appears to be an admission from
you that you find lies to be acceptable for politicians you support .
. .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 07:10:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't be such a prat. I made no such agreement.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:48:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyI am on topic and he is no worse and probably better than Ardern and Hiphins
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year old. >>>>>Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than Ardren >>>>>however
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:To which your previous response Tony, was
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . . >>>>>>
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an >>>>>>unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no >>>>>>moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they >>>>>>>>asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that living >>>>>>>>rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle >>>>>>>>because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent. The >>>>>>>>url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a Minister >>>>>>>>he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he >>>>>>>>preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the >>>>>>>>Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they have >>>>>>>>committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social >>>>>>>>housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping wages >>>>>>>>low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but I >>>>>>>>suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies.
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle choice to
sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public opinion so >>>>>>>>>when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep rough, >>>>>>>>>this
is
probably the public's perception.
To which your response was:
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and Hipkins
lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>>>>>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on >>>>>>accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing >>>>>>your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard habit >>>>>>to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are >>>>>>tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . .
fortunately.
So there you go again, going off-topic to attack someone else in
trying to distract from a nasty lie by Mark Mitchell, who was lying to >>>>try and distract from the real poverty being caused by this nasty >>>>government's policies . . .
-
absolutely on topic - but you have no right to judge anybody on that matter,
none whatsoever.
So you agree that he lied, but you have not been able to name any >>politician in either the current opposition or previous government who
made as and a lie as Mitchell - that appears to be an admission from
you that you find lies to be acceptable for politicians you support .
. .
Most politicians lie, Ardern for instance. Picking on one comment is >pathetically childish but is you to a T.
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 21:45:07 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou read it, twerp.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 07:10:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't be such a prat. I made no such agreement.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:48:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I am on topic and he is no worse and probably better than Ardern and >>>>Hiphins
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year old. >>>>>>Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than Ardren >>>>>>however
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:To which your previous response Tony, was
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . . >>>>>>>
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an >>>>>>>unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no >>>>>>>moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
To which your response was:We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they >>>>>>>>>asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that living >>>>>>>>>rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle >>>>>>>>>because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent. The >>>>>>>>>url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a Minister >>>>>>>>>he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he >>>>>>>>>preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the >>>>>>>>>Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they have >>>>>>>>>committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social >>>>>>>>>housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping wages >>>>>>>>>low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but I >>>>>>>>>suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies. >>>>>>>
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle choice
to
sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public opinion so
when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep rough, >>>>>>>>>>this
is
probably the public's perception.
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and >>>>>>>>Hipkins
lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>>>>>>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on >>>>>>>accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing >>>>>>>your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard habit >>>>>>>to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are >>>>>>>tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . .
fortunately.
So there you go again, going off-topic to attack someone else in >>>>>trying to distract from a nasty lie by Mark Mitchell, who was lying to >>>>>try and distract from the real poverty being caused by this nasty >>>>>government's policies . . .
-
absolutely on topic - but you have no right to judge anybody on that >>>>matter,
none whatsoever.
So you agree that he lied, but you have not been able to name any >>>politician in either the current opposition or previous government who >>>made as and a lie as Mitchell - that appears to be an admission from
you that you find lies to be acceptable for politicians you support .
. .
Most politicians lie, Ardern for instance. Picking on one comment is >>pathetically childish but is you to a T.
Read this again: >https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 21:45:07 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou read it, twerp.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 07:10:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't be such a prat. I made no such agreement.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:48:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I am on topic and he is no worse and probably better than Ardern and >>>>>Hiphins
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:fortunately.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:To which your previous response Tony, was
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . . >>>>>>>>
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an >>>>>>>>unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no >>>>>>>>moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
To which your response was:We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they >>>>>>>>>>asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that living
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle choice
to
sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public opinion so
when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep rough, >>>>>>>>>>>this
is
probably the public's perception.
rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle >>>>>>>>>>because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent. The >>>>>>>>>>url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a Minister >>>>>>>>>>he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he >>>>>>>>>>preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the >>>>>>>>>>Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they have >>>>>>>>>>committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social >>>>>>>>>>housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping wages >>>>>>>>>>low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but I >>>>>>>>>>suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies. >>>>>>>>
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and >>>>>>>>>Hipkins
lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>>>>>>>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on >>>>>>>>accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing >>>>>>>>your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard habit >>>>>>>>to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are >>>>>>>>tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . . >>>>>>>No, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year old. >>>>>>>Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than Ardren >>>>>>>however
So there you go again, going off-topic to attack someone else in >>>>>>trying to distract from a nasty lie by Mark Mitchell, who was lying to >>>>>>try and distract from the real poverty being caused by this nasty >>>>>>government's policies . . .
-
absolutely on topic - but you have no right to judge anybody on that >>>>>matter,
none whatsoever.
So you agree that he lied, but you have not been able to name any >>>>politician in either the current opposition or previous government who >>>>made as and a lie as Mitchell - that appears to be an admission from >>>>you that you find lies to be acceptable for politicians you support .
. .
Most politicians lie, Ardern for instance. Picking on one comment is >>>pathetically childish but is you to a T.
Read this again: >>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 03:59:34 -0000 (UTC), TonyYour sarcasm is ripe and offensive.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 21:45:07 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou read it, twerp.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 07:10:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Don't be such a prat. I made no such agreement.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:48:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I am on topic and he is no worse and probably better than Ardern and >>>>>>Hiphins
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:fortunately.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . .
To which your previous response Tony, was
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an >>>>>>>>>unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no >>>>>>>>>moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
To which your response was:We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they >>>>>>>>>>>asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that >>>>>>>>>>>living
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle >>>>>>>>>>>>choice
to
sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public opinion >>>>>>>>>>>>so
when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep rough,
this
is
probably the public's perception.
rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle >>>>>>>>>>>because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent. The
url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a Minister
he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he >>>>>>>>>>>preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the >>>>>>>>>>>Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they have >>>>>>>>>>>committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social >>>>>>>>>>>housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping wages
low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but I >>>>>>>>>>>suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies. >>>>>>>>>
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and >>>>>>>>>>Hipkins
lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>>>>>>>>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on >>>>>>>>>accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing >>>>>>>>>your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard habit >>>>>>>>>to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are >>>>>>>>>tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . . >>>>>>>>No, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year old. >>>>>>>>Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than Ardren >>>>>>>>however
So there you go again, going off-topic to attack someone else in >>>>>>>trying to distract from a nasty lie by Mark Mitchell, who was lying to >>>>>>>try and distract from the real poverty being caused by this nasty >>>>>>>government's policies . . .
-
absolutely on topic - but you have no right to judge anybody on that >>>>>>matter,
none whatsoever.
So you agree that he lied, but you have not been able to name any >>>>>politician in either the current opposition or previous government who >>>>>made as and a lie as Mitchell - that appears to be an admission from >>>>>you that you find lies to be acceptable for politicians you support . >>>>>. .
Most politicians lie, Ardern for instance. Picking on one comment is >>>>pathetically childish but is you to a T.
Read this again: >>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
I have, but I can understand that you do not want to read it . . .
Here is another article - >https://www.stuff.co.nz/te-ao-maori/360748583/homeless-person-froze-death-family-living-mall-car-park-amid-national-crisis
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 03:59:34 -0000 (UTC), TonyYour sarcasm is ripe and offensive.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 21:45:07 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou read it, twerp.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 07:10:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Don't be such a prat. I made no such agreement.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:48:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I am on topic and he is no worse and probably better than Ardern and >>>>>>>Hiphins
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than Ardren >>>>>>>>>however
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . . .
To which your previous response Tony, was
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an >>>>>>>>>>unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no >>>>>>>>>>moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
To which your response was:We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they >>>>>>>>>>>>asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that >>>>>>>>>>>>living
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle >>>>>>>>>>>>>choice
to
sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public opinion
so
when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep rough,
this
is
probably the public's perception.
rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle >>>>>>>>>>>>because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent. The
url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a Minister
he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he >>>>>>>>>>>>preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the >>>>>>>>>>>>Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they have
committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social >>>>>>>>>>>>housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping wages
low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but I
suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies. >>>>>>>>>>
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and >>>>>>>>>>>Hipkins
lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>>>>>>>>>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on >>>>>>>>>>accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing >>>>>>>>>>your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard habit
to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are >>>>>>>>>>tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . . >>>>>>>>>No, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year old.
fortunately.
So there you go again, going off-topic to attack someone else in >>>>>>>>trying to distract from a nasty lie by Mark Mitchell, who was lying to >>>>>>>>try and distract from the real poverty being caused by this nasty >>>>>>>>government's policies . . .
-
absolutely on topic - but you have no right to judge anybody on that >>>>>>>matter,
none whatsoever.
So you agree that he lied, but you have not been able to name any >>>>>>politician in either the current opposition or previous government who >>>>>>made as and a lie as Mitchell - that appears to be an admission from >>>>>>you that you find lies to be acceptable for politicians you support . >>>>>>. .
Most politicians lie, Ardern for instance. Picking on one comment is >>>>>pathetically childish but is you to a T.
Read this again: >>>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
I have, but I can understand that you do not want to read it . . .
Here is another article - >>https://www.stuff.co.nz/te-ao-maori/360748583/homeless-person-froze-death-family-living-mall-car-park-amid-national-crisis
I have read it, obviously you don't understand it. You deliberately interpret >it based on your fanatical ideology.
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 20:08:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyI have not addressed that, keep on topic.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 03:59:34 -0000 (UTC), TonyYour sarcasm is ripe and offensive.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 21:45:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You read it, twerp.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 07:10:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Don't be such a prat. I made no such agreement.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:48:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I am on topic and he is no worse and probably better than Ardern and >>>>>>>>Hiphins
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than Ardren
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. .
To which your previous response Tony, was
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an >>>>>>>>>>>unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no >>>>>>>>>>>moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
To which your response was:We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they >>>>>>>>>>>>>asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that >>>>>>>>>>>>>living
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>choice
to
sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>opinion
so
when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>rough,
this
is
probably the public's perception.
rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle
because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>The
url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>Minister
he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he >>>>>>>>>>>>>preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the
Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they >>>>>>>>>>>>>have
committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social >>>>>>>>>>>>>housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping >>>>>>>>>>>>>wages
low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but
I
suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies. >>>>>>>>>>>
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and >>>>>>>>>>>>Hipkins
lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>>>>>>>>>>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on >>>>>>>>>>>accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing >>>>>>>>>>>your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard >>>>>>>>>>>habit
to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are >>>>>>>>>>>tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . . >>>>>>>>>>No, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year >>>>>>>>>>old.
however
fortunately.
So there you go again, going off-topic to attack someone else in >>>>>>>>>trying to distract from a nasty lie by Mark Mitchell, who was lying to >>>>>>>>>try and distract from the real poverty being caused by this nasty >>>>>>>>>government's policies . . .
-
absolutely on topic - but you have no right to judge anybody on that >>>>>>>>matter,
none whatsoever.
So you agree that he lied, but you have not been able to name any >>>>>>>politician in either the current opposition or previous government who >>>>>>>made as and a lie as Mitchell - that appears to be an admission from >>>>>>>you that you find lies to be acceptable for politicians you support . >>>>>>>. .
Most politicians lie, Ardern for instance. Picking on one comment is >>>>>>pathetically childish but is you to a T.
Read this again: >>>>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
I have, but I can understand that you do not want to read it . . .
Here is another article - >>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/te-ao-maori/360748583/homeless-person-froze-death-family-living-mall-car-park-amid-national-crisis
I have read it, obviously you don't understand it. You deliberately interpret
it based on your fanatical ideology.
Anyone who continues to believe that homelessness is a lifestyle
choice would have to be extremely callous - and that would include
another politician who claimed that claimed that the police minister
was "well informed" - what do you think, Tony?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 20:08:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyI have not addressed that, keep on topic.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 03:59:34 -0000 (UTC), TonyYour sarcasm is ripe and offensive.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 21:45:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You read it, twerp.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 07:10:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Don't be such a prat. I made no such agreement.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:48:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I am on topic and he is no worse and probably better than Ardern and >>>>>>>>>Hiphins
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than Ardren
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell .
. .
To which your previous response Tony, was
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an >>>>>>>>>>>>unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no >>>>>>>>>>>>moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
To which your response was:We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - they
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>choice
to
sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opinion
so
when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rough,
this
is
probably the public's perception.
asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>living
rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a vehicle
because despite having a full time job she could not afford rent.
The
url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Minister
he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in the
Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>have
committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social >>>>>>>>>>>>>>housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>wages
low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, but
I
suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies. >>>>>>>>>>>>
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hipkins
lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>>>>>>>>>>>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on >>>>>>>>>>>>accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing >>>>>>>>>>>>your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard >>>>>>>>>>>>habit
to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are >>>>>>>>>>>>tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . . >>>>>>>>>>>No, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year >>>>>>>>>>>old.
however
fortunately.
So there you go again, going off-topic to attack someone else in >>>>>>>>>>trying to distract from a nasty lie by Mark Mitchell, who was lying to
try and distract from the real poverty being caused by this nasty >>>>>>>>>>government's policies . . .
-
absolutely on topic - but you have no right to judge anybody on that >>>>>>>>>matter,
none whatsoever.
So you agree that he lied, but you have not been able to name any >>>>>>>>politician in either the current opposition or previous government who >>>>>>>>made as and a lie as Mitchell - that appears to be an admission from >>>>>>>>you that you find lies to be acceptable for politicians you support . >>>>>>>>. .
Most politicians lie, Ardern for instance. Picking on one comment is >>>>>>>pathetically childish but is you to a T.
Read this again: >>>>>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
I have, but I can understand that you do not want to read it . . .
Here is another article - >>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/te-ao-maori/360748583/homeless-person-froze-death-family-living-mall-car-park-amid-national-crisis
I have read it, obviously you don't understand it. You deliberately interpret
it based on your fanatical ideology.
Anyone who continues to believe that homelessness is a lifestyle
choice would have to be extremely callous - and that would include
another politician who claimed that claimed that the police minister
was "well informed" - what do you think, Tony?
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 01:41:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 20:08:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyI have not addressed that, keep on topic.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 03:59:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Your sarcasm is ripe and offensive.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 21:45:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You read it, twerp.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 07:10:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Don't be such a prat. I made no such agreement.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:48:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I am on topic and he is no worse and probably better than Ardern and
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than >>>>>>>>>>>>Ardren
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
. .
To which your previous response Tony, was
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no
moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
To which your response was:We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>choice
to
sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opinion
so
when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rough,
this
is
probably the public's perception.
asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>living
rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vehicle
because despite having a full time job she could not afford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rent.
The
url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Minister
he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he
preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have
committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social
housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wages
low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but
I
suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and
Hipkins
lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>>>>>>>>>>>>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on >>>>>>>>>>>>>accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing
your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard >>>>>>>>>>>>>habit
to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are
tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>No, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year >>>>>>>>>>>>old.
however
fortunately.
So there you go again, going off-topic to attack someone else in >>>>>>>>>>>trying to distract from a nasty lie by Mark Mitchell, who was lying >>>>>>>>>>>to
try and distract from the real poverty being caused by this nasty >>>>>>>>>>>government's policies . . .
Hiphins
-
absolutely on topic - but you have no right to judge anybody on that >>>>>>>>>>matter,
none whatsoever.
So you agree that he lied, but you have not been able to name any >>>>>>>>>politician in either the current opposition or previous government who >>>>>>>>>made as and a lie as Mitchell - that appears to be an admission from >>>>>>>>>you that you find lies to be acceptable for politicians you support . >>>>>>>>>. .
Most politicians lie, Ardern for instance. Picking on one comment is >>>>>>>>pathetically childish but is you to a T.
Read this again: >>>>>>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
I have, but I can understand that you do not want to read it . . . >>>>>Here is another article - >>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/te-ao-maori/360748583/homeless-person-froze-death-family-living-mall-car-park-amid-national-crisis
I have read it, obviously you don't understand it. You deliberately >>>>interpret
it based on your fanatical ideology.
Anyone who continues to believe that homelessness is a lifestyle
choice would have to be extremely callous - and that would include >>>another politician who claimed that claimed that the police minister
was "well informed" - what do you think, Tony?
To quote from the same article referenced twice above:
"Mayor says police minister awell informedA in saying 'sleeping rough
is a lifestyle choice here'
The mayor of Rotorua says the police minister was owell informedo with >comments about rough sleeping as a olifestyle choiceo there.
There was a group of about 12 to 15 homeless people in Rotorua who
were choosing to sleep on footpaths in the city centre, Mayor Tania
Tapsell said."
Now the homeless person living on the streets that froze to death was
in South Auckland, but it does illustrate well the need for government >action, and less blind adherence to a myth that homelessness is a
"lifestyle choice."
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 01:41:35 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbuse gone. You can't help yourself. You took my comments and moved the meaning
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 20:08:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyI have not addressed that, keep on topic.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 03:59:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Your sarcasm is ripe and offensive.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 21:45:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You read it, twerp.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 07:10:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Don't be such a prat. I made no such agreement.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:48:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I am on topic and he is no worse and probably better than Ardern and
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:old.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark Mitchell
.
. .
To which your previous response Tony, was
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has no
moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . .
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself.
Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
To which your response was:We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is lifestyle
choice
to
sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opinion
so
when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rough,
this
is
probably the public's perception.
asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise that
living
rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vehicle
because despite having a full time job she could not afford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rent.
The
url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Minister
he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but he
preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else in
the
Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - they
have
committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building social
housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and keeping
wages
low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but
I
suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern and
Hipkins
lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that relinquishing
your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>habit
to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell are
tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>>No, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 year
Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than >>>>>>>>>>>>>Ardren
however
fortunately.
So there you go again, going off-topic to attack someone else in >>>>>>>>>>>>trying to distract from a nasty lie by Mark Mitchell, who was lying
to
try and distract from the real poverty being caused by this nasty >>>>>>>>>>>>government's policies . . .
Hiphins
-
absolutely on topic - but you have no right to judge anybody on that
matter,
none whatsoever.
So you agree that he lied, but you have not been able to name any >>>>>>>>>>politician in either the current opposition or previous government who
made as and a lie as Mitchell - that appears to be an admission from >>>>>>>>>>you that you find lies to be acceptable for politicians you support . >>>>>>>>>>. .
Most politicians lie, Ardern for instance. Picking on one comment is >>>>>>>>>pathetically childish but is you to a T.
Read this again: >>>>>>>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
I have, but I can understand that you do not want to read it . . . >>>>>>Here is another article - >>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/te-ao-maori/360748583/homeless-person-froze-death-family-living-mall-car-park-amid-national-crisis
I have read it, obviously you don't understand it. You deliberately >>>>>interpret
it based on your fanatical ideology.
Anyone who continues to believe that homelessness is a lifestyle
choice would have to be extremely callous - and that would include >>>>another politician who claimed that claimed that the police minister >>>>was "well informed" - what do you think, Tony?
To quote from the same article referenced twice above:
"Mayor says police minister awell informedA in saying 'sleeping rough
is a lifestyle choice here'
The mayor of Rotorua says the police minister was owell informedo with >>comments about rough sleeping as a olifestyle choiceo there.
There was a group of about 12 to 15 homeless people in Rotorua who
were choosing to sleep on footpaths in the city centre, Mayor Tania
Tapsell said."
Now the homeless person living on the streets that froze to death was
in South Auckland, but it does illustrate well the need for government >>action, and less blind adherence to a myth that homelessness is a >>"lifestyle choice."
- your fault, your stupidity, you are the fool not I.
Once more - I have not even once addressed the homeless issue, and that is why
you are so damn stupid - you simply cannot debate, it is an impossibility for >you. Go to your personal form of hell, you have earned it.
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 04:42:45 -0000 (UTC), TonyI commented on your post, not on the thread subject. Therefore I am on topic, you cannot abide anybody who doen'ty follow your leaders.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 01:41:35 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbuse gone. You can't help yourself. You took my comments and moved the >>meaning
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 20:08:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I have not addressed that, keep on topic.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 03:59:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Your sarcasm is ripe and offensive.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 21:45:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You read it, twerp.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 07:10:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Don't be such a prat. I made no such agreement.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:48:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I am on topic and he is no worse and probably better than Ardern >>>>>>>>>>>>and
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 07:07:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:old.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5 Jul 2025 23:19:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 2025-07-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
This is effectively an admission of failure by Mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mitchell
.
. .
To which your previous response Tony, was
"Nope, just an unpalatable truth."
To which I responded:
Indeed, it is true that he lies quite often - he forms part of an
unpalatable lying government - you will note that his leader has
no
moral compass to call out such obvious lies . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
and you replied:
I note your inability to express yourself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Clearly a truth cannote be a lie. Do get help.
We have seen items on television about those sleeping rough - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
Has anyone done a poll on the public view that it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lifestyle
choice
to
sleep rough?
Remember that very few politicians are ahead of the public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opinion
so
when a
Minister says that they, the homeless, are choosing to sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rough,
this
is
probably the public's perception.
asked some of them what it was like and it was no surprise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that
living
rough was not liked. One person interviewed was living in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vehicle
because despite having a full time job she could not afford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rent.
The
url calls the assertion from Mitchell a dangerous lie - as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Minister
he has staff able to arrange for him to get expert advice; but
he
preferred to minimise the problem by lying - and no-one else >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in
the
Act1stNat government has been prepared to tell the truth - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
have
committed to give billions to landlords, and stop building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>social
housing while also reducing benefits in real terms, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>keeping
wages
low . . . . Lying is not the worst the government is doing,
but
I
suspect not even their avid supporters believe all of the lies.
To which your response was:
All governments lie and most politicians lie, you lie, Ardern >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and
Hipkins
lied.
Nothing new or remarkable here.
So congratulations on admitting that you were wrong, and tacitly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>acknowledging that Mitchell lied. You are of course off-topic on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>accusing other politicians of lying, but I guess that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>relinquishing
your normal propensity to being "loose with the truth" is a hard
habit
to get out of - particularly when lies such as that by Mitchell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>are
tacitly supported by all the rest of the current Cabinet . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>No, neither of those are correct. Your logic would baffle a 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>year
Mitchell is just doing what politicians do - less nastily than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ardren
however
fortunately.
So there you go again, going off-topic to attack someone else in >>>>>>>>>>>>>trying to distract from a nasty lie by Mark Mitchell, who was >>>>>>>>>>>>>lying
to
try and distract from the real poverty being caused by this nasty >>>>>>>>>>>>>government's policies . . .
Hiphins
-
absolutely on topic - but you have no right to judge anybody on >>>>>>>>>>>>that
matter,
none whatsoever.
So you agree that he lied, but you have not been able to name any >>>>>>>>>>>politician in either the current opposition or previous government >>>>>>>>>>>who
made as and a lie as Mitchell - that appears to be an admission from >>>>>>>>>>>you that you find lies to be acceptable for politicians you support .
. .
Most politicians lie, Ardern for instance. Picking on one comment is >>>>>>>>>>pathetically childish but is you to a T.
Read this again: >>>>>>>>>https://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-dangerous-lie-that-homelessness-is.html
I have, but I can understand that you do not want to read it . . . >>>>>>>Here is another article - >>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/te-ao-maori/360748583/homeless-person-froze-death-family-living-mall-car-park-amid-national-crisis
I have read it, obviously you don't understand it. You deliberately >>>>>>interpret
it based on your fanatical ideology.
Anyone who continues to believe that homelessness is a lifestyle >>>>>choice would have to be extremely callous - and that would include >>>>>another politician who claimed that claimed that the police minister >>>>>was "well informed" - what do you think, Tony?
To quote from the same article referenced twice above:
"Mayor says police minister awell informedA in saying 'sleeping rough
is a lifestyle choice here'
The mayor of Rotorua says the police minister was owell informedo with >>>comments about rough sleeping as a olifestyle choiceo there.
There was a group of about 12 to 15 homeless people in Rotorua who
were choosing to sleep on footpaths in the city centre, Mayor Tania >>>Tapsell said."
Now the homeless person living on the streets that froze to death was
in South Auckland, but it does illustrate well the need for government >>>action, and less blind adherence to a myth that homelessness is a >>>"lifestyle choice."
- your fault, your stupidity, you are the fool not I.
Once more - I have not even once addressed the homeless issue, and that is >>why
you are so damn stupid - you simply cannot debate, it is an impossibility for
you. Go to your personal form of hell, you have earned it.
The whole point of the thread _is_ about homeless people - and the
assertion by the Police Minister and the Mayor of Rotorua that being
homeless is a lifestyle choice.
That you are unable to address the Callous and Dangerous lies implicit
in the unsupported assertions of those politicians, you are off topic,
Tony, not me.