• Wake-up call to National: You are NOT seen as 'fixing the economy'

    From Crash@nogood@dontbother.invalid to nz.general on Mon Aug 11 09:23:39 2025
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    There is a lot for us all to digest here:

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/569588/government-policies-working-to-fix-economy-raise-living-standards-luxon-says

    Note that the 'left' parties are Labour, the Greens and the Maori
    Party.

    In terms of whether we have a 'left' or 'right' Government, the key is
    always going to be whether National or Labour secure the most party
    votes.

    This means that if National wish to lead the next Government then the
    Coalition needs to take stronger actions than they have taken to date,
    and they need to do it ASAP to get the benefits rolling in prior to
    the 2026 election. If they fail to do this then we will have a
    Government that will be even worse than the last Labour Government.

    National criticises the profligate spending of the previous Labour
    government, but the Coalition government has not reduced spending -
    simply changed what it is spent on. Government debt is still
    increasing at an alarming rate. There is no positive trend in sight
    for an improving economy because the public service is just as bloated
    as ever and the economy is even more dominated by Government spending
    than when the current Government took office.
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    Crash McBash
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  • From Gordon@Gordon@leaf.net.nz to nz.general on Mon Aug 11 05:26:57 2025
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    On 2025-08-10, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    There is a lot for us all to digest here:

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/569588/government-policies-working-to-fix-economy-raise-living-standards-luxon-says

    Note that the 'left' parties are Labour, the Greens and the Maori
    Party.

    In terms of whether we have a 'left' or 'right' Government, the key is
    always going to be whether National or Labour secure the most party
    votes.

    This means that if National wish to lead the next Government then the Coalition needs to take stronger actions than they have taken to date,
    and they need to do it ASAP to get the benefits rolling in prior to
    the 2026 election. If they fail to do this then we will have a
    Government that will be even worse than the last Labour Government.

    National criticises the profligate spending of the previous Labour government, but the Coalition government has not reduced spending -
    simply changed what it is spent on. Government debt is still
    increasing at an alarming rate. There is no positive trend in sight
    for an improving economy because the public service is just as bloated
    as ever and the economy is even more dominated by Government spending
    than when the current Government took office.

    Yes, the National, Act and NZF need to become "allies" to offer a united
    front. Do the work needed (negotation) to become the "party" of choice.

    Then it needs to be done with this woke attitude so that there is a gap in
    the options at the ballat box. What is happening now is National is doing
    just enough to appear to be different to the woke thoughts but at the same time just being passive about it. Result is that the voters vote for the
    same.

    Giving the country a hung Parliament is not the best as it will divide the country, and allow the country to possibility decay into chaos.

    What is needed is is for some real ongoing debate about where NZ wishes to
    go. Then we can elect the MPs which will carry this out for us.

    We are at the cross roads of a generation, same as Sir Robert Muldoon faced
    in the 80's. There is indeed alot to unpack.
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  • From wn@wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) to nz.general on Mon Aug 11 23:05:49 2025
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    On Mon, 11 Aug 2025, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    National criticises the profligate spending of the previous Labour >government, but the Coalition government has not reduced spending -
    simply changed what it is spent on. Government debt is still
    increasing at an alarming rate. There is no positive trend in sight

    By Gawd, Crash, you're actually waking up. What it must have taken to
    do that...

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  • From Crash@nogood@dontbother.invalid to nz.general on Tue Aug 12 11:38:14 2025
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    On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 23:05:49 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Aug 2025, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    National criticises the profligate spending of the previous Labour >>government, but the Coalition government has not reduced spending -
    simply changed what it is spent on. Government debt is still
    increasing at an alarming rate. There is no positive trend in sight

    By Gawd, Crash, you're actually waking up. What it must have taken to
    do that...


    Maybe it was the bit a few years ago when I opposed National's plans
    to reduce income tax on the basis this should be delayed until we had
    brought Government debt back to pre-Covid (preferably pre-Labour)
    levels.
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    Crash McBash
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  • From wn@wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) to nz.general on Tue Aug 12 00:43:27 2025
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    On Tue, 12 Aug 2025, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 23:05:49 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
    By Gawd, Crash, you're actually waking up. What it must have taken to
    do that...

    Maybe it was the bit a few years ago when I opposed National's plans
    to reduce income tax on the basis this should be delayed until we had
    brought Government debt back to pre-Covid (preferably pre-Labour)
    levels.

    You won't be fully woken up until you realise that income tax
    reductions are unconditionally good, and that government spending must
    be reduced to accomodate that, i.e., that the welfare state in its
    current form is unsustainable and must be harshly curtailed.

    We must see clearly that the experiment with fiat-based monetary
    systems has failed. Government overspending and accompanying
    inflation are inevitable -- you can't stop those bastards. The old
    gold-based systems worked, as long as the coinage was not debased.
    Gold-and Silver based currency is the best we've had over the
    millennia. Anything else is just another social experiment, with the
    public as the victims.

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