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The Bill will keep the USA "On Track" with the same Atlas agenda asTo paraphrase your other idiotic post - I am not surprised that you do not provide any evidence of those accusations.
the NZ Government, but with a few differences, the main one being the >rejection of a major supporters, Elon Musk - here in New Zealand the
support provides to the government through Atlas is directed to all
three government parties - there are Atlas linked Ministers in all
three parties, but many supporters of National and NZ First are blind
enough to deny a linkage.
From the article:
"The company that stands to lose the most is Tesla, which has 10 of
the 29 models that are eligible and remains the countryAs EV sales
leader even after recent sales decline and loss of market share. Tesla
CEO Elon Musk, who was part of the Trump administration before an >attention-grabbing departure in May, had urged lawmakers to reject the
bill."
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03072025/big-beautiful-bill-will-hurt-clean-energy-environmental-justice/
The Bill will keep the USA "On Track" with the same Atlas agenda as
the NZ Government, but with a few differences, the main one being the >rejection of a major supporters, Elon Musk - here in New Zealand the
support provides to the government through Atlas is directed to all
three government parties - there are Atlas linked Ministers in all
three parties, but many supporters of National and NZ First are blind
enough to deny a linkage.
From the article:
"The company that stands to lose the most is Tesla, which has 10 of
the 29 models that are eligible and remains the countryAs EV sales
leader even after recent sales decline and loss of market share. Tesla
CEO Elon Musk, who was part of the Trump administration before an >attention-grabbing departure in May, had urged lawmakers to reject the
bill."
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03072025/big-beautiful-bill-will-hurt-clean-energy-environmental-justice/
To paraphrase your other idiotic post - I am not surprised that you do not >provide any evidence of those accusations.
The Bill will keep the USA "On Track" with the same Atlas agenda as
the NZ Government, but with a few differences, the main one being the >>rejection of a major supporters, Elon Musk - here in New Zealand the >>support provides to the government through Atlas is directed to all
three government parties - there are Atlas linked Ministers in all
three parties, but many supporters of National and NZ First are blind >>enough to deny a linkage.
From the article:
"The company that stands to lose the most is Tesla, which has 10 of
the 29 models that are eligible and remains the countryAs EV sales
leader even after recent sales decline and loss of market share. Tesla
CEO Elon Musk, who was part of the Trump administration before an >>attention-grabbing departure in May, had urged lawmakers to reject the >>bill."
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 01:27:02 -0000 (UTC), TonyThey are not and I was talking about your accusations but you know that. Sarcasm will be your downfall one day.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03072025/big-beautiful-bill-will-hurt-clean-energy-environmental-justice/
To paraphrase your other idiotic post - I am not surprised that you do not >>provide any evidence of those accusations.
The Bill will keep the USA "On Track" with the same Atlas agenda as
the NZ Government, but with a few differences, the main one being the >>>rejection of a major supporters, Elon Musk - here in New Zealand the >>>support provides to the government through Atlas is directed to all
three government parties - there are Atlas linked Ministers in all
three parties, but many supporters of National and NZ First are blind >>>enough to deny a linkage.
Accusations? Really? I would have expected you to applaud all three >government parties following hard-right policies.
Did you not realise that Casey Costello is a past Chair of the NZSo what?
Taxpayer Union?
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tt_casey_costello
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_WillisSo what?
Willis was a director of the New Zealand Initiative, a pro-free-market >public-policy Atlas Network linked think tank, from May 2016 until
February 2017.[14][15]
She has acknowledged taking advice from Bryce Wilkinson (Senior FellowSo what?
at the NZ Initiative)
The NZ Taxpayer union is an astroturf organisation that actsNo it is not.
effectively as a political link with both Jordan Williams (NZ
Initiative and David Farrar (NZ Initiative and his private polling
company) leading in providing valuable services to all three parties.
The Atlas network has nothing to do with this government, I would prefer that you were deluded but in fact you are just lying.
From the article:
"The company that stands to lose the most is Tesla, which has 10 of
the 29 models that are eligible and remains the countryAs EV sales
leader even after recent sales decline and loss of market share. Tesla >>>CEO Elon Musk, who was part of the Trump administration before an >>>attention-grabbing departure in May, had urged lawmakers to reject the >>>bill."
I suggest that none of the government parties would withdraw from a
large financial and advisory supporter - that support has meant that,
by and large, Luxon is able to relax through not having to think for
himself - Atlas Network make it easy for him to follow on . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 01:27:02 -0000 (UTC), TonyThey are not and I was talking about your accusations but you know that. >Sarcasm will be your downfall one day.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03072025/big-beautiful-bill-will-hurt-clean-energy-environmental-justice/
To paraphrase your other idiotic post - I am not surprised that you do not >>>provide any evidence of those accusations.
The Bill will keep the USA "On Track" with the same Atlas agenda as
the NZ Government, but with a few differences, the main one being the >>>>rejection of a major supporters, Elon Musk - here in New Zealand the >>>>support provides to the government through Atlas is directed to all >>>>three government parties - there are Atlas linked Ministers in all >>>>three parties, but many supporters of National and NZ First are blind >>>>enough to deny a linkage.
Accusations? Really? I would have expected you to applaud all three >>government parties following hard-right policies.
So what?
Did you not realise that Casey Costello is a past Chair of the NZ
Taxpayer Union?
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tt_casey_costello
So what?
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Willis
Willis was a director of the New Zealand Initiative, a pro-free-market >>public-policy Atlas Network linked think tank, from May 2016 until
February 2017.[14][15]
So what?
She has acknowledged taking advice from Bryce Wilkinson (Senior Fellow
at the NZ Initiative)
No it is not. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/439960/ex-act-staffer-grant-mclachlan-says-party-created-fake-grassroots-groups
The NZ Taxpayer union is an astroturf organisation that acts
effectively as a political link with both Jordan Williams (NZ
Initiative and David Farrar (NZ Initiative and his private polling
company) leading in providing valuable services to all three parties.
The Atlas network has nothing to do with this government, I would prefer that >you were deluded but in fact you are just lying.From the article:
"The company that stands to lose the most is Tesla, which has 10 of
the 29 models that are eligible and remains the countryAs EV sales >>>>leader even after recent sales decline and loss of market share. Tesla >>>>CEO Elon Musk, who was part of the Trump administration before an >>>>attention-grabbing departure in May, had urged lawmakers to reject the >>>>bill."
I suggest that none of the government parties would withdraw from a
large financial and advisory supporter - that support has meant that,
by and large, Luxon is able to relax through not having to think for >>himself - Atlas Network make it easy for him to follow on . . .
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 07:23:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyProves nothing.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 01:27:02 -0000 (UTC), TonyThey are not and I was talking about your accusations but you know that. >>Sarcasm will be your downfall one day.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03072025/big-beautiful-bill-will-hurt-clean-energy-environmental-justice/
To paraphrase your other idiotic post - I am not surprised that you do not >>>>provide any evidence of those accusations.
The Bill will keep the USA "On Track" with the same Atlas agenda as >>>>>the NZ Government, but with a few differences, the main one being the >>>>>rejection of a major supporters, Elon Musk - here in New Zealand the >>>>>support provides to the government through Atlas is directed to all >>>>>three government parties - there are Atlas linked Ministers in all >>>>>three parties, but many supporters of National and NZ First are blind >>>>>enough to deny a linkage.
Accusations? Really? I would have expected you to applaud all three >>>government parties following hard-right policies.
So what?
Did you not realise that Casey Costello is a past Chair of the NZ >>>Taxpayer Union?
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tt_casey_costello
So what?
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Willis
Willis was a director of the New Zealand Initiative, a pro-free-market >>>public-policy Atlas Network linked think tank, from May 2016 until >>>February 2017.[14][15]
So what?
She has acknowledged taking advice from Bryce Wilkinson (Senior Fellow
at the NZ Initiative)
No it is not. >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/439960/ex-act-staffer-grant-mclachlan-says-party-created-fake-grassroots-groups
The NZ Taxpayer union is an astroturf organisation that acts
effectively as a political link with both Jordan Williams (NZ
Initiative and David Farrar (NZ Initiative and his private polling >>>company) leading in providing valuable services to all three parties.
Firstly you are the one that has quoted Wikipedia in the past believing it to be factual, and I pointed out that it was not. Your memory is convenient. Secondly - you have never shown the Atlas network to be a threat to democracy or indeed that it has any negatives (I don't care).The Atlas network has nothing to do with this government, I would prefer thatFrom the article:
"The company that stands to lose the most is Tesla, which has 10 of >>>>>the 29 models that are eligible and remains the countryAs EV sales >>>>>leader even after recent sales decline and loss of market share. Tesla >>>>>CEO Elon Musk, who was part of the Trump administration before an >>>>>attention-grabbing departure in May, had urged lawmakers to reject the >>>>>bill."
I suggest that none of the government parties would withdraw from a
large financial and advisory supporter - that support has meant that,
by and large, Luxon is able to relax through not having to think for >>>himself - Atlas Network make it easy for him to follow on . . .
you were deluded but in fact you are just lying.
David Seymour, Nicola Willis, Casey Costello have been involved in
leadership of parts of Atlas Network - including two members in New
Zealand. It is clear for Nicola Willis in her wikipedia entry above.
Perhaps you do not realise that she could edit that page, but I
suspect she is proud of having been a director of an Atlas Network
linked think tank - even though it is a few years ago now . . .
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 08:36:58 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 17:27:00 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 01:27:02 -0000 (UTC), TonyTony is honest, unlike you with your inference there are hard-right >>political parties in Parliament.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03072025/big-beautiful-bill-will-hurt-clean-energy-environmental-justice/
To paraphrase your other idiotic post - I am not surprised that you do not >>>>provide any evidence of those accusations.
The Bill will keep the USA "On Track" with the same Atlas agenda as >>>>>the NZ Government, but with a few differences, the main one being the >>>>>rejection of a major supporters, Elon Musk - here in New Zealand the >>>>>support provides to the government through Atlas is directed to all >>>>>three government parties - there are Atlas linked Ministers in all >>>>>three parties, but many supporters of National and NZ First are blind >>>>>enough to deny a linkage.
Accusations? Really? I would have expected you to applaud all three >>>government parties following hard-right policies.
I have provided evidence of Ministers linked to the Atlas Network -
see below.
As to "Hard-Right" - or "Far-Right", see: >https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2023
and
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2024
It may be of interest to know that when David Farrar was posting to >nz.general, he identified the position now shown for the ACT party as
best suiting his personal views.
The underfunding of the public health system and the push for
privatisation of health services, the priority being gives to roads
over rail, the high profits, low investment and high dividends from
the electricity industry - all point to hard-right policies benefiting
the wealthy at the expense of the majority - and to the detriment of
New Zealand's future.
--
Did you not realise that Casey Costello is a past Chair of the NZ >>>Taxpayer Union?I did. What is your point?
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tt_casey_costello
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_WillisAgain, what is your point? You are acting as if you are exposing >>scandalous secrets about Costello and Willis. You are not, and this
Willis was a director of the New Zealand Initiative, a pro-free-market >>>public-policy Atlas Network linked think tank, from May 2016 until >>>February 2017.[14][15]
She has acknowledged taking advice from Bryce Wilkinson (Senior Fellow
at the NZ Initiative)
proves nothing.
The NZ Taxpayer union is an astroturf organisation that actsI recall seeing recently somewhere (probably in TU news) that they
effectively as a political link with both Jordan Williams (NZ
Initiative and David Farrar (NZ Initiative and his private polling >>>company) leading in providing valuable services to all three parties.
have around 200,000 donors. Whatever Williams and Farrar do is
personal stuff. Linking the TU to personal activities of its sponsors
is the stuff of political agendas, where facts are trumped by
ideology.
From the article:
"The company that stands to lose the most is Tesla, which has 10 of >>>>>the 29 models that are eligible and remains the countryAs EV sales >>>>>leader even after recent sales decline and loss of market share. Tesla >>>>>CEO Elon Musk, who was part of the Trump administration before an >>>>>attention-grabbing departure in May, had urged lawmakers to reject the >>>>>bill."
I suggest that none of the government parties would withdraw from a
large financial and advisory supporter - that support has meant that,
by and large, Luxon is able to relax through not having to think for >>>himself - Atlas Network make it easy for him to follow on . . .
Your political ideology is getting in the way of hard facts again
Rich. Its a struggle for you to accept that reality is not to your
liking.
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 08:36:58 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>So what? You have still not shown anything wrong with the Atlas network.
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 17:27:00 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 01:27:02 -0000 (UTC), TonyTony is honest, unlike you with your inference there are hard-right >>political parties in Parliament.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03072025/big-beautiful-bill-will-hurt-clean-energy-environmental-justice/
To paraphrase your other idiotic post - I am not surprised that you do not >>>>provide any evidence of those accusations.
The Bill will keep the USA "On Track" with the same Atlas agenda as >>>>>the NZ Government, but with a few differences, the main one being the >>>>>rejection of a major supporters, Elon Musk - here in New Zealand the >>>>>support provides to the government through Atlas is directed to all >>>>>three government parties - there are Atlas linked Ministers in all >>>>>three parties, but many supporters of National and NZ First are blind >>>>>enough to deny a linkage.
Accusations? Really? I would have expected you to applaud all three >>>government parties following hard-right policies.
I have provided evidence of Ministers linked to the Atlas Network -
see below.That is a well proven left wing organisation, baseless poke and hope.
As to "Hard-Right" - or "Far-Right", see: >https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2023
and
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2024
It may be of interest to know that when David Farrar was posting to >nz.general, he identified the position now shown for the ACT party asNot proven, just your opinion.,
best suiting his personal views.
The underfunding of the public health system and the push for
privatisation of health services, the priority being gives to roads
over rail, the high profits, low investment and high dividends from
the electricity industry - all point to hard-right policies benefiting
the wealthy at the expense of the majority - and to the detriment of
New Zealand's future.
Did you not realise that Casey Costello is a past Chair of the NZ >>>Taxpayer Union?I did. What is your point?
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tt_casey_costello
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_WillisAgain, what is your point? You are acting as if you are exposing >>scandalous secrets about Costello and Willis. You are not, and this
Willis was a director of the New Zealand Initiative, a pro-free-market >>>public-policy Atlas Network linked think tank, from May 2016 until >>>February 2017.[14][15]
She has acknowledged taking advice from Bryce Wilkinson (Senior Fellow
at the NZ Initiative)
proves nothing.
The NZ Taxpayer union is an astroturf organisation that actsI recall seeing recently somewhere (probably in TU news) that they
effectively as a political link with both Jordan Williams (NZ
Initiative and David Farrar (NZ Initiative and his private polling >>>company) leading in providing valuable services to all three parties.
have around 200,000 donors. Whatever Williams and Farrar do is
personal stuff. Linking the TU to personal activities of its sponsors
is the stuff of political agendas, where facts are trumped by
ideology.
From the article:
"The company that stands to lose the most is Tesla, which has 10 of >>>>>the 29 models that are eligible and remains the countryAs EV sales >>>>>leader even after recent sales decline and loss of market share. Tesla >>>>>CEO Elon Musk, who was part of the Trump administration before an >>>>>attention-grabbing departure in May, had urged lawmakers to reject the >>>>>bill."
I suggest that none of the government parties would withdraw from a
large financial and advisory supporter - that support has meant that,
by and large, Luxon is able to relax through not having to think for >>>himself - Atlas Network make it easy for him to follow on . . .
Your political ideology is getting in the way of hard facts again
Rich. Its a struggle for you to accept that reality is not to your
liking.
On 20 Jul 2025 23:37:35 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:So what?
On 2025-07-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 07:23:37 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 01:27:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:They are not and I was talking about your accusations but you know that. >>>>Sarcasm will be your downfall one day.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03072025/big-beautiful-bill-will-hurt-clean-energy-environmental-justice/
To paraphrase your other idiotic post - I am not surprised that you do >>>>>>not
The Bill will keep the USA "On Track" with the same Atlas agenda as >>>>>>>the NZ Government, but with a few differences, the main one being the >>>>>>>rejection of a major supporters, Elon Musk - here in New Zealand the >>>>>>>support provides to the government through Atlas is directed to all >>>>>>>three government parties - there are Atlas linked Ministers in all >>>>>>>three parties, but many supporters of National and NZ First are blind >>>>>>>enough to deny a linkage.
provide any evidence of those accusations.
Accusations? Really? I would have expected you to applaud all three >>>>>government parties following hard-right policies.
So what?
Did you not realise that Casey Costello is a past Chair of the NZ >>>>>Taxpayer Union?
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tt_casey_costello
So what?
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Willis
Willis was a director of the New Zealand Initiative, a pro-free-market >>>>>public-policy Atlas Network linked think tank, from May 2016 until >>>>>February 2017.[14][15]
So what?
She has acknowledged taking advice from Bryce Wilkinson (Senior Fellow >>>>>at the NZ Initiative)
The NZ Taxpayer union is an astroturf organisation that acts >>>>>effectively as a political link with both Jordan Williams (NZ >>>>>Initiative and David Farrar (NZ Initiative and his private polling >>>>>company) leading in providing valuable services to all three parties. >>>>No it is not.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/439960/ex-act-staffer-grant-mclachlan-says-party-created-fake-grassroots-groups
The Atlas network has nothing to do with this government, I would prefer >>>>thatFrom the article:
"The company that stands to lose the most is Tesla, which has 10 of >>>>>>>the 29 models that are eligible and remains the country?s EV sales >>>>>>>leader even after recent sales decline and loss of market share. Tesla >>>>>>>CEO Elon Musk, who was part of the Trump administration before an >>>>>>>attention-grabbing departure in May, had urged lawmakers to reject the >>>>>>>bill."
I suggest that none of the government parties would withdraw from a >>>>>large financial and advisory supporter - that support has meant that, >>>>>by and large, Luxon is able to relax through not having to think for >>>>>himself - Atlas Network make it easy for him to follow on . . .
you were deluded but in fact you are just lying.
David Seymour, Nicola Willis, Casey Costello have been involved in
leadership of parts of Atlas Network - including two members in New
Zealand. It is clear for Nicola Willis in her wikipedia entry above.
Perhaps you do not realise that she could edit that page, but I
suspect she is proud of having been a director of an Atlas Network
linked think tank - even though it is a few years ago now . . .
If she edited it out, it would be out of sight. Something that someone could >>find out. As it is, it is facts which one can read and consider as to their >>meaning.
From one of the references given in the Wikipedia page: >https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/499215/directors
The Companies Office records that Nicola Willis was a Director of the
NZ Initiative from 30 May 2016 to 10 May 2018
On 2025-07-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Absolutely Gordon. Wikipedia articles usually include references to
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 07:23:37 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/439960/ex-act-staffer-grant-mclachlan-says-party-created-fake-grassroots-groups
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 01:27:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:They are not and I was talking about your accusations but you know that. >>>Sarcasm will be your downfall one day.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03072025/big-beautiful-bill-will-hurt-clean-energy-environmental-justice/
To paraphrase your other idiotic post - I am not surprised that you do not
The Bill will keep the USA "On Track" with the same Atlas agenda as >>>>>>the NZ Government, but with a few differences, the main one being the >>>>>>rejection of a major supporters, Elon Musk - here in New Zealand the >>>>>>support provides to the government through Atlas is directed to all >>>>>>three government parties - there are Atlas linked Ministers in all >>>>>>three parties, but many supporters of National and NZ First are blind >>>>>>enough to deny a linkage.
provide any evidence of those accusations.
Accusations? Really? I would have expected you to applaud all three >>>>government parties following hard-right policies.
So what?
Did you not realise that Casey Costello is a past Chair of the NZ >>>>Taxpayer Union?
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tt_casey_costello
So what?
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Willis
Willis was a director of the New Zealand Initiative, a pro-free-market >>>>public-policy Atlas Network linked think tank, from May 2016 until >>>>February 2017.[14][15]
So what?
She has acknowledged taking advice from Bryce Wilkinson (Senior Fellow >>>>at the NZ Initiative)
No it is not.
The NZ Taxpayer union is an astroturf organisation that acts >>>>effectively as a political link with both Jordan Williams (NZ >>>>Initiative and David Farrar (NZ Initiative and his private polling >>>>company) leading in providing valuable services to all three parties.
The Atlas network has nothing to do with this government, I would prefer thatFrom the article:
"The company that stands to lose the most is Tesla, which has 10 of >>>>>>the 29 models that are eligible and remains the country?s EV sales >>>>>>leader even after recent sales decline and loss of market share. Tesla >>>>>>CEO Elon Musk, who was part of the Trump administration before an >>>>>>attention-grabbing departure in May, had urged lawmakers to reject the >>>>>>bill."
I suggest that none of the government parties would withdraw from a >>>>large financial and advisory supporter - that support has meant that, >>>>by and large, Luxon is able to relax through not having to think for >>>>himself - Atlas Network make it easy for him to follow on . . .
you were deluded but in fact you are just lying.
David Seymour, Nicola Willis, Casey Costello have been involved in
leadership of parts of Atlas Network - including two members in New
Zealand. It is clear for Nicola Willis in her wikipedia entry above.
Perhaps you do not realise that she could edit that page, but I
suspect she is proud of having been a director of an Atlas Network
linked think tank - even though it is a few years ago now . . .
If she edited it out, it would be out of sight. Something that someone could >find out. As it is, it is facts which one can read and consider as to their >meaning.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03072025/big-beautiful-bill-will-hurt-clean-energy-environmental-justice/
The Bill will keep the USA "On Track" with the same Atlas agenda as
the NZ Government, but with a few differences, the main one being the rejection of a major supporters, Elon Musk - here in New Zealand the
support provides to the government through Atlas is directed to all
three government parties - there are Atlas linked Ministers in all
three parties, but many supporters of National and NZ First are blind
enough to deny a linkage.
From the article:
"The company that stands to lose the most is Tesla, which has 10 of
the 29 models that are eligible and remains the countryrCOs EV sales
leader even after recent sales decline and loss of market share. Tesla
CEO Elon Musk, who was part of the Trump administration before an attention-grabbing departure in May, had urged lawmakers to reject the
bill."
On 20 Jul 2025 23:37:35 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Irrelevant poiticking.
On 2025-07-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Absolutely Gordon. Wikipedia articles usually include references to
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 07:23:37 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 01:27:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:They are not and I was talking about your accusations but you know that. >>>>Sarcasm will be your downfall one day.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03072025/big-beautiful-bill-will-hurt-clean-energy-environmental-justice/
To paraphrase your other idiotic post - I am not surprised that you do >>>>>>not
The Bill will keep the USA "On Track" with the same Atlas agenda as >>>>>>>the NZ Government, but with a few differences, the main one being the >>>>>>>rejection of a major supporters, Elon Musk - here in New Zealand the >>>>>>>support provides to the government through Atlas is directed to all >>>>>>>three government parties - there are Atlas linked Ministers in all >>>>>>>three parties, but many supporters of National and NZ First are blind >>>>>>>enough to deny a linkage.
provide any evidence of those accusations.
Accusations? Really? I would have expected you to applaud all three >>>>>government parties following hard-right policies.
So what?
Did you not realise that Casey Costello is a past Chair of the NZ >>>>>Taxpayer Union?
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tt_casey_costello
So what?
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Willis
Willis was a director of the New Zealand Initiative, a pro-free-market >>>>>public-policy Atlas Network linked think tank, from May 2016 until >>>>>February 2017.[14][15]
So what?
She has acknowledged taking advice from Bryce Wilkinson (Senior Fellow >>>>>at the NZ Initiative)
The NZ Taxpayer union is an astroturf organisation that acts >>>>>effectively as a political link with both Jordan Williams (NZ >>>>>Initiative and David Farrar (NZ Initiative and his private polling >>>>>company) leading in providing valuable services to all three parties. >>>>No it is not.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/439960/ex-act-staffer-grant-mclachlan-says-party-created-fake-grassroots-groups
The Atlas network has nothing to do with this government, I would prefer >>>>thatFrom the article:
"The company that stands to lose the most is Tesla, which has 10 of >>>>>>>the 29 models that are eligible and remains the country?s EV sales >>>>>>>leader even after recent sales decline and loss of market share. Tesla >>>>>>>CEO Elon Musk, who was part of the Trump administration before an >>>>>>>attention-grabbing departure in May, had urged lawmakers to reject the >>>>>>>bill."
I suggest that none of the government parties would withdraw from a >>>>>large financial and advisory supporter - that support has meant that, >>>>>by and large, Luxon is able to relax through not having to think for >>>>>himself - Atlas Network make it easy for him to follow on . . .
you were deluded but in fact you are just lying.
David Seymour, Nicola Willis, Casey Costello have been involved in
leadership of parts of Atlas Network - including two members in New
Zealand. It is clear for Nicola Willis in her wikipedia entry above.
Perhaps you do not realise that she could edit that page, but I
suspect she is proud of having been a director of an Atlas Network
linked think tank - even though it is a few years ago now . . .
If she edited it out, it would be out of sight. Something that someone could >>find out. As it is, it is facts which one can read and consider as to their >>meaning.
reputable sources for key information - for example one of the
references for Nicola Willis being a Director of the NZ Initiative
gives the entry on the Companies website. The NZ Initiative is one of
two New Zealand members of the Atlas Network. My statement above may
have not been quite correct - if a statement about her was wrong she
would be able to have it corrected, but as it is correct she could not >"correct'' it.