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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time
that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning
on expecting zero rates rises . . .
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levelsSorry, I meant to include this article as well: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeings
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time
that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning
on expecting zero rates rises . . .
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working the way the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils will be properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levelsSorry, I meant to include this article as well: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeings
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time
that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning
on expecting zero rates rises . . .
Subject: Water - should you be boiling water before drinking it?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time
that [...]
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 11:00:04 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time
that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning
on expecting zero rates rises . . .
Thanks to the uncharacteristic courage of National, the 3-waters
reforms have been dismantled and the provision of water services
returned to democratically-elected local or regional government. This
will naturally have an affect on rates (as it always has) but if I
recall correctly spending on 3-waters needs to come from ring-fenced
water revenues.
Many councils have in the past managed their water services well and
face little impact from regaining operational control of 3-waters, but
some (including my local council) have some issues to address. These >decisions, thankfully, will be taken by my local council whose
headquarters are in a nearby small town. Under Labour's 3-waters
reforms, Water Entity A would have been in charge and would have
effectively been an Auckland-based and focused organisation with 1.7
million people out of 1.9 million in their service area being in
Auckland.
So those in Gore faced with nitrate issues, the solution is in the
hands of their elected council, and if I were them I would be glad to
be able to hold my local council to account to get the problem fixed,
because this has happened only because of a change of Government.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working the way
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time
that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning
on expecting zero rates rises . . .
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils will be properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have persuaded the governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have happened years ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect to their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 11:51:14 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 11:00:04 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time
that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
Thanks to the uncharacteristic courage of National, the 3-waters
reforms have been dismantled and the provision of water services
returned to democratically-elected local or regional government. This
will naturally have an affect on rates (as it always has) but if I
recall correctly spending on 3-waters needs to come from ring-fenced
water revenues.
Many councils have in the past managed their water services well and
face little impact from regaining operational control of 3-waters, but
some (including my local council) have some issues to address. These >>decisions, thankfully, will be taken by my local council whose
headquarters are in a nearby small town. Under Labour's 3-waters
reforms, Water Entity A would have been in charge and would have >>effectively been an Auckland-based and focused organisation with 1.7 >>million people out of 1.9 million in their service area being in
Auckland.
So those in Gore faced with nitrate issues, the solution is in the
hands of their elected council, and if I were them I would be glad to
be able to hold my local council to account to get the problem fixed, >>because this has happened only because of a change of Government.
From the second link I posted:
"Councils do not treat for nitrates at present, and removal was a
difficult and complicated process, Prickett said.
Estimates from the Waimate District Council were between $500,000 to
$750,000 plus ongoing costs to treat one scheme that supplied just 600 people, while the Selwyn District Council estimated finding and
establishing a new, lower nitrate water source could cost $400million,
and work done for the Christchurch City Council put the price of
denitrifying the city's drinking water at $830millon to $1.5billion."
So those estimates of $0.5m to $0.75 m were for a supply to 600
people; how relevant that is to Gore we do not know. We do know that
years ago there was little need for nitrate removal; that has been a
recent development. Gore has a population of about 8,400, so they may
need a slightly more expensive scheme, but that may depend on what
places like Tapanui, Riversdale, Lumsden and Kingston do. May of the
farms on higher ground will not be affected by town problems - but run
off from their farms is clearly affecting the need for water
treatment. We also don't know to what extent Gore can set limits on
water quality discharged from outside their boundaries.
Clearly water meters will be used within town boundaries (or perhaps
more widely to include any entities outside town boundaries), which
may help, but it certainly looks like water will become expensive for
towns that are being affected by run-off from farms outside municipal boundaries that are only affected by government limits on their
emissions. Gore will not be the only town needing to find a water
quality solution - perhaps they will want to cooperate with other
towns in the area - perhaps even the whole water catchment area that
includes Invercargill) to reduce average costs for everyone (except of
course the upstream farms that create the problem in the first place.
Now I doubt the town of Gore has enough money to meet even $0.5
million, let alone pay for the planning and other project costs. Will
the government lend them the money?
Perhaps there are still a few questions . . .
On 2025-07-19, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Always a risk, after all most coucillors have a limited knowledge of governance. But better than the current overspending.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Capping, I am all for it. However the question still remains as to whether
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working the >>way
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time
that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils will be >> properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have persuaded the >> governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have happened years >>ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect to >>their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
or not those councils who are out of control will be able to spend on the >necessities first and not on the nice to haves.
Rich80105 wrote:Well done! In fact I would it expect it to make the situation worse -
Subject: Water - should you be boiling water before drinking it?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
Not related to your subject line of boiling water.
Boiling water does not remove nitrates - as the link tells you.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
Not related to your subject line of boiling water.
Boiling water does not remove nitrates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
Not related to your subject line of boiling water.
Boiling water does not remove nitrates.
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time
that [...]
Nitrate contamination of water is not a new issue.
Gore sources its water supply from two wells. Nitrate contamination of >aquifers has been common in Southland for decades.
On 2025-07-19, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Capping, I am all for it. However the question still remains as to whether
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working the way
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time
that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils will be >> properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have persuaded the >> governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have happened years ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect to their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
or not those councils who are out of control will be able to spend on the >necessities first and not on the nice to haves.
On 2025-07-19, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 11:51:14 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 11:00:04 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time >>>>>that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
Thanks to the uncharacteristic courage of National, the 3-waters
reforms have been dismantled and the provision of water services
returned to democratically-elected local or regional government. This >>>will naturally have an affect on rates (as it always has) but if I
recall correctly spending on 3-waters needs to come from ring-fenced >>>water revenues.
Many councils have in the past managed their water services well and
face little impact from regaining operational control of 3-waters, but >>>some (including my local council) have some issues to address. These >>>decisions, thankfully, will be taken by my local council whose >>>headquarters are in a nearby small town. Under Labour's 3-waters >>>reforms, Water Entity A would have been in charge and would have >>>effectively been an Auckland-based and focused organisation with 1.7 >>>million people out of 1.9 million in their service area being in >>>Auckland.
So those in Gore faced with nitrate issues, the solution is in the
hands of their elected council, and if I were them I would be glad to
be able to hold my local council to account to get the problem fixed, >>>because this has happened only because of a change of Government.
From the second link I posted:
"Councils do not treat for nitrates at present, and removal was a
difficult and complicated process, Prickett said.
Estimates from the Waimate District Council were between $500,000 to
$750,000 plus ongoing costs to treat one scheme that supplied just 600
people, while the Selwyn District Council estimated finding and
establishing a new, lower nitrate water source could cost $400million,
and work done for the Christchurch City Council put the price of
denitrifying the city's drinking water at $830millon to $1.5billion."
So those estimates of $0.5m to $0.75 m were for a supply to 600
people; how relevant that is to Gore we do not know. We do know that
years ago there was little need for nitrate removal; that has been a
recent development. Gore has a population of about 8,400, so they may
need a slightly more expensive scheme, but that may depend on what
places like Tapanui, Riversdale, Lumsden and Kingston do. May of the
farms on higher ground will not be affected by town problems - but run
off from their farms is clearly affecting the need for water
treatment. We also don't know to what extent Gore can set limits on
water quality discharged from outside their boundaries.
Clearly water meters will be used within town boundaries (or perhaps
more widely to include any entities outside town boundaries), which
may help, but it certainly looks like water will become expensive for
towns that are being affected by run-off from farms outside municipal
boundaries that are only affected by government limits on their
emissions. Gore will not be the only town needing to find a water
quality solution - perhaps they will want to cooperate with other
towns in the area - perhaps even the whole water catchment area that
includes Invercargill) to reduce average costs for everyone (except of
course the upstream farms that create the problem in the first place.
Now I doubt the town of Gore has enough money to meet even $0.5From the Gore District Council web site
million, let alone pay for the planning and other project costs. Will
the government lend them the money?
Perhaps there are still a few questions . . .
https://www.goredc.govt.nz/services/3-waters/water-notice
"UPDATE Saturday 19 July 11:00am
Please continue to use bottled water for drinking in Gore today, as a >precautionary measure, following yesterday's testing that showed nitrate >levels slightly above safe limits.
Staff are continuing efforts to reduce nitrate levels by diluting the
supply at CooperAs Well, GoreAs primary water source.
In addition, targeted sampling is being conducted at the East Gore Water >Treatment Plant to confirm that dilution has lowered nitrate levels. >Following this work, samples will be taken across the water supply network >to ascertain when the water is safe to drink.
Please note that the water tankers will need to leave periodically throughout >the day to be refilled. However, there will always be tankers available in >town to ensure continued access to safe drinking water.
Here are the tanker locations- you will need to bring you own container.
Eccles Street Playground
Hokonui Drive (near the fire station)
Grace Church, Hamilton Street
East Gore School, Wentworth Street
Gore Trout Statue
Do not boil the water - this doesn't make it safe to drink and can increase >the concentration of nitrate."
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-19, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Always a risk, after all most coucillors have a limited knowledge of >governance. But better than the current overspending.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Capping, I am all for it. However the question still remains as to whether >>or not those councils who are out of control will be able to spend on the >>necessities first and not on the nice to haves.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working the >>>way
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time >>>>>that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils will be >>> properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have persuaded the
governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have happened years
ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect to >>>their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
Ultimately it is up to the electors to keep the councillors on track.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 06:25:34 -0000 (UTC), TonyPiss off you little twerp, I am advocating nothing of the sort - you are a cretin.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-19, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Always a risk, after all most coucillors have a limited knowledge of >>governance. But better than the current overspending.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Capping, I am all for it. However the question still remains as to whether >>>or not those councils who are out of control will be able to spend on the >>>necessities first and not on the nice to haves.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working the
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time >>>>>>that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
way
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils will be
properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have persuaded >>>>the
governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have happened >>>>years
ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect to >>>>their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
Ultimately it is up to the electors to keep the councillors on track.
So are you advocating that Gore should just keep takers bring in
emergency supplies? What is "on track" in this instance?
On 19 Jul 2025 06:04:40 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-19, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Capping, I am all for it. However the question still remains as to whether >>or not those councils who are out of control will be able to spend on the >>necessities first and not on the nice to haves.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working the way
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time >>>>>that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils will be >>> properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have persuaded the
governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have happened years ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect to their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
What should Gore be spending less on, Gordon, so that they can afford
to deliver safe water?
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 06:25:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-19, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Always a risk, after all most coucillors have a limited knowledge of >>governance. But better than the current overspending.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Capping, I am all for it. However the question still remains as to whether >>>or not those councils who are out of control will be able to spend on the >>>necessities first and not on the nice to haves.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working the
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time >>>>>>that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
way
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils will be
properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have persuaded the
governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have happened years
ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect to >>>>their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
Ultimately it is up to the electors to keep the councillors on track.
So are you advocating that Gore should just keep takers bring in
emergency supplies? What is "on track" in this instance?
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 20:46:41 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>The government is pushing for a zero increase to rates - do you think
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 06:25:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-19, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Always a risk, after all most coucillors have a limited knowledge of >>>governance. But better than the current overspending.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Capping, I am all for it. However the question still remains as to whether >>>>or not those councils who are out of control will be able to spend on the >>>>necessities first and not on the nice to haves.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working the
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time >>>>>>>that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
way
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils will be
properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have persuaded the
governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have happened years
ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect to >>>>>their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
Ultimately it is up to the electors to keep the councillors on track.
So are you advocating that Gore should just keep takers bring in
emergency supplies? What is "on track" in this instance?
That is for the local council to determine. Are you a ratepayer
there? If not it is none of your business.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 15:36:21 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>They are not pushing for a zero increase in rates. That is a deliberate mistatement.
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 20:46:41 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:The government is pushing for a zero increase to rates - do you think
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 06:25:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-19, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Always a risk, after all most coucillors have a limited knowledge of >>>>governance. But better than the current overspending.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Capping, I am all for it. However the question still remains as to whether >>>>>or not those councils who are out of control will be able to spend on the >>>>>necessities first and not on the nice to haves.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working >>>>>>the
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time >>>>>>>>that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>>>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
way
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils will >>>>>>be
properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have persuaded >>>>>>the
governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have happened >>>>>>years
ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect to >>>>>>their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
Ultimately it is up to the electors to keep the councillors on track.
So are you advocating that Gore should just keep takers bring in >>>emergency supplies? What is "on track" in this instance?
That is for the local council to determine. Are you a ratepayer
there? If not it is none of your business.
that may affect decisions made by the Gore Council regarding
installing nitrate extraction equipment for their water supply? Or
should they be able to increase rates to fund the need that has been >identified? Or alternatively, are you confident that the government
would meet any shortfall if they imposed a cap on rates . . .?
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 15:36:21 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 20:46:41 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:The government is pushing for a zero increase to rates
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 06:25:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-19, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Always a risk, after all most coucillors have a limited knowledge of >>>>governance. But better than the current overspending.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Capping, I am all for it. However the question still remains as to whether >>>>>or not those councils who are out of control will be able to spend on the >>>>>necessities first and not on the nice to haves.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working the
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time >>>>>>>>that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>>>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
way
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils will be
properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have persuaded the
governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have happened years
ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect to >>>>>>their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
Ultimately it is up to the electors to keep the councillors on track.
So are you advocating that Gore should just keep takers bring in >>>emergency supplies? What is "on track" in this instance?
That is for the local council to determine. Are you a ratepayer
there? If not it is none of your business.
- do you think
that may affect decisions made by the Gore Council regarding
installing nitrate extraction equipment for their water supply? Or
should they be able to increase rates to fund the need that has been >identified? Or alternatively, are you confident that the government
would meet any shortfall if they imposed a cap on rates . . .?
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 17:32:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>The ACT Party have been talking about imposing a rates cap - frozen at
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 15:36:21 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 20:46:41 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:The government is pushing for a zero increase to rates
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 06:25:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-19, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Always a risk, after all most coucillors have a limited knowledge of >>>>>governance. But better than the current overspending.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Capping, I am all for it. However the question still remains as to whether
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>wrote:Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working the
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time >>>>>>>>>that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>>>>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
way
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils will be
properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have persuaded the
governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have happened years
ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect to
their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
or not those councils who are out of control will be able to spend on the >>>>>>necessities first and not on the nice to haves.
Ultimately it is up to the electors to keep the councillors on track.
So are you advocating that Gore should just keep takers bring in >>>>emergency supplies? What is "on track" in this instance?
That is for the local council to determine. Are you a ratepayer
there? If not it is none of your business.
I am aware of efforts to impose rates caps but no-one is advocating
this. I oppose rate caps on the basis that central Government should
not impose limits on democratically-elected local bodies.
It may affect your local council though . . .- do you think
that may affect decisions made by the Gore Council regarding
installing nitrate extraction equipment for their water supply? Or
should they be able to increase rates to fund the need that has been >>identified? Or alternatively, are you confident that the government
would meet any shortfall if they imposed a cap on rates . . .?
That is an issue for the ratepayers in that council. I am not one of
them.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 15:36:21 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:They are not pushing for a zero increase in rates. That is a deliberate >mistatement.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 20:46:41 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:The government is pushing for a zero increase to rates - do you think
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 06:25:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-07-19, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Always a risk, after all most coucillors have a limited knowledge of >>>>>governance. But better than the current overspending.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Capping, I am all for it. However the question still remains as to whether
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>wrote:Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working >>>>>>>the
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time >>>>>>>>>that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>>>>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
way
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils will
be
properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have persuaded
the
governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have happened >>>>>>>years
ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect to
their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
or not those councils who are out of control will be able to spend on the >>>>>>necessities first and not on the nice to haves.
Ultimately it is up to the electors to keep the councillors on track.
So are you advocating that Gore should just keep takers bring in >>>>emergency supplies? What is "on track" in this instance?
That is for the local council to determine. Are you a ratepayer
there? If not it is none of your business.
that may affect decisions made by the Gore Council regarding
installing nitrate extraction equipment for their water supply? Or
should they be able to increase rates to fund the need that has been >>identified? Or alternatively, are you confident that the government
would meet any shortfall if they imposed a cap on rates . . .?
They are looking to cap them. A very different thing. You are such a liar.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 07:18:51 -0000 (UTC), TonyNobody has credibly said that, you made it up. There is no zero rates proposal from government, none.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 15:36:21 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:They are not pushing for a zero increase in rates. That is a deliberate >>mistatement.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 20:46:41 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:The government is pushing for a zero increase to rates - do you think >>>that may affect decisions made by the Gore Council regarding
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 06:25:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:So are you advocating that Gore should just keep takers bring in >>>>>emergency supplies? What is "on track" in this instance?
On 2025-07-19, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Always a risk, after all most coucillors have a limited knowledge of >>>>>>governance. But better than the current overspending.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Capping, I am all for it. However the question still remains as to >>>>>>>whether
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>>wrote:Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government working
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time >>>>>>>>>>that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to campaigning >>>>>>>>>>on expecting zero rates rises . . .
the
way
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils >>>>>>>>will
be
properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have >>>>>>>>persuaded
the
governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have happened >>>>>>>>years
ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect >>>>>>>>to
their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
or not those councils who are out of control will be able to spend on the
necessities first and not on the nice to haves.
Ultimately it is up to the electors to keep the councillors on track. >>>>>
That is for the local council to determine. Are you a ratepayer
there? If not it is none of your business.
installing nitrate extraction equipment for their water supply? Or
should they be able to increase rates to fund the need that has been >>>identified? Or alternatively, are you confident that the government
would meet any shortfall if they imposed a cap on rates . . .?
They are looking to cap them. A very different thing. You are such a liar.
There have been a lot of different people making statements - and
capping rates at current levels is the same as a zero increase in
rates.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 19:57:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyAh so you finally caught up. I made a slip and you pounced like the feral ass that you are, well done.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 07:18:51 -0000 (UTC), TonyNobody has credibly said that, you made it up. There is no zero rates >>proposal
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:There have been a lot of different people making statements - and
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 15:36:21 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:They are not pushing for a zero increase in rates. That is a deliberate >>>>mistatement.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 20:46:41 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:The government is pushing for a zero increase to rates - do you think >>>>>that may affect decisions made by the Gore Council regarding >>>>>installing nitrate extraction equipment for their water supply? Or >>>>>should they be able to increase rates to fund the need that has been >>>>>identified? Or alternatively, are you confident that the government >>>>>would meet any shortfall if they imposed a cap on rates . . .?
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 06:25:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:So are you advocating that Gore should just keep takers bring in >>>>>>>emergency supplies? What is "on track" in this instance?
On 2025-07-19, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Always a risk, after all most coucillors have a limited knowledge of >>>>>>>>governance. But better than the current overspending. >>>>>>>>Ultimately it is up to the electors to keep the councillors on track. >>>>>>>
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Capping, I am all for it. However the question still remains as to >>>>>>>>>whether
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:55:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Thanks for the cites. It is good to see the current government >>>>>>>>>>working
wrote:
Sorry, I meant to include this article as well: >>>>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/567339/local-democracy-under-threat-officials-warn-against-removing-council-four-wellbeingshttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567362/gore-residents-told-not-to-drink-tap-water-due-to-high-nitrate-levels
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/544734/academics-call-for-urgent-action-on-nitrate-pollution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noykSN0KWu4
So now water is becoming a local authority issue, at the same time >>>>>>>>>>>>that a few Nat/ACT supporting candidates are returning to >>>>>>>>>>>>campaigning
on expecting zero rates rises . . .
the
way
the electorate asked it to. It is even better to see that councils >>>>>>>>>>will
be
properly held to account for doing what we pay them for.
As a bonus it looks like the Taxpayer's Union just might have >>>>>>>>>>persuaded
the
governmment to cap rates before Christmas - that should have >>>>>>>>>>happened
years
ago
of course but at least it could happen now.
Many councils, with a few exception, are out of control with respect
to
their
spending so let's hope that now stops.
or not those councils who are out of control will be able to spend on >>>>>>>>>the
necessities first and not on the nice to haves.
That is for the local council to determine. Are you a ratepayer >>>>>>there? If not it is none of your business.
They are looking to cap them. A very different thing. You are such a liar. >>>
capping rates at current levels is the same as a zero increase in
rates.
from government, none.
I agree that there is no zero rates proposal - it is a zero _increase_ >proposal. "Capping" rates is not the same as reducing them to zero.
You appear to have taken too many stupid pills today, Tony . . .