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On 2025-08-01, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Top Threads
What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?
Re: My week with Linux: I'm dumping Windows for Ubuntu to see how it goes
Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware functionality?
Bungling Apple is about to answer a burning question about its future
Why is the iPhone so inefficient compared to Android?
Comprehensive current zero-day platform comparisons?
Almost every app you have on the iPad will die; the iPad will become inert over time
Apple's "dumb terminal" design wreaks havoc when the matrix went down today! >> Re: Placeholder for June 20, 2025 - Apple trolls - crying that the mean
ole' EU banned their iPhone for sale
Yet again - Apple sherlocks functionality - copying - instead of innovating >> Re: What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?
Why is the iOS kernel repeatedly exploited by Pegasus but the Android kernel is not?
Why is overall Apple mobile device battery endurance per cycle 16% less
compared to Samsung?
Proof that Marion (Arlen) has successfully turned this newsgroup into
another shitty *advocacy troll newsgroup.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2025-08-01, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Top Threads
What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?
Re: My week with Linux: I'm dumping Windows for Ubuntu to see how it goes >>> Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware functionality?
Bungling Apple is about to answer a burning question about its future
Why is the iPhone so inefficient compared to Android?
Comprehensive current zero-day platform comparisons?
Almost every app you have on the iPad will die; the iPad will become inert over time
Apple's "dumb terminal" design wreaks havoc when the matrix went down today!
Re: Placeholder for June 20, 2025 - Apple trolls - crying that the mean
ole' EU banned their iPhone for sale
Yet again - Apple sherlocks functionality - copying - instead of innovating >>> Re: What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?
Why is the iOS kernel repeatedly exploited by Pegasus but the Android kernel is not?
Why is overall Apple mobile device battery endurance per cycle 16% less
compared to Samsung?
Proof that Marion (Arlen) has successfully turned this newsgroup into
another shitty *advocacy troll newsgroup.
Almost all of those seem like topics related to the group.
Almost all of those seem like topics related to the group.
Almost all o them are weak trolls based on lies. You aren't fooling
anyone, just sticking up for your best troll buddy (as usual, in the
weakest way possible).
Almost all of those seem like topics related to the group. At least they're not political bullshit which have destroyed most other groups.
Jolly Roger desires only groupthink that discourages dissent or
skepticism. If you question Apple's motives, you're not a member of
Jolly Roger's herd.
Jolly Roger desires only groupthink that discourages dissent or
skepticism. If you question Apple's motives, you're not a member of
Jolly Roger's herd.
In another group what you call a herd was named the "Hive". Same
thing, just different.
On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 18:07:26 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :
Jolly Roger desires only groupthink that discourages dissent or
skepticism. If you question Apple's motives, you're not a member of
Jolly Roger's herd.
In another group what you call a herd was named the "Hive". Same
thing, just different.
Hi badgolferman,
I understand your terminology, and we've both been on Usenet for decades.
But I think Apple enthusiasts often respond with a unique intensity or defensiveness when Apple is criticized, compared to other tech ecosystems.
What sets Apple aficionados apart isn't just brand loyalty alone, as it's
the quasi-religious fervor with which they defend the company. There's a
kind of tribal orthodoxy at play, where dissent isn't merely disagreed
with, it's treated as heresy.
Criticize Android or Microsoft, and you might spark a debate.
Criticize Apple and you risk excommunication from the cult of Cupertino.
This isn't just fan enthusiasm. It's a marketing-fueled identity fusion, where Apple isn't just a product, it's a worldview.
For example, any reaction from Jolly Roger isn't proportional to the critique; it's visceral, often absolutist. You don't see that same
reflexive denial or ideological gatekeeping in Android or Windows circles.
On what I call the adult OS newsgroups, disagreement is tolerated.
Here, it's policed by the very Apple trolls who defend Apple to the death.
I happen to be an Apple owner also, but what I bring to the table is
critical thinking,
where entering the questions I research, I believe, are
apropos (e.g., Apple lied about efficiency, which I knew all along but the new EU tests added further weight to that long-term fact-based assessment).
For example, any reaction from Jolly Roger isn't proportional to the
critique; it's visceral, often absolutist. You don't see that same
reflexive denial or ideological gatekeeping in Android or Windows circles. >>
On what I call the adult OS newsgroups, disagreement is tolerated.
Here, it's policed by the very Apple trolls who defend Apple to the death. >>
Sounds like a cult.
where entering the questions I research, I believe, are
apropos (e.g., Apple lied about efficiency, which I knew all along but the >> new EU tests added further weight to that long-term fact-based assessment).
The EU tests show quite clearly that Apple batteries are no worse than others. If anything it's Samsung that has substandard performance.
When are you going to respond to new detailed analysis which you said you were going to? A genuine critical thinking person would love a factual analysis.
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 17:22:09 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
where entering the questions I research, I believe, areThe EU tests show quite clearly that Apple batteries are no worse than
apropos (e.g., Apple lied about efficiency, which I knew all along but the >>> new EU tests added further weight to that long-term fact-based assessment). >>
others. If anything it's Samsung that has substandard performance.
When are you going to respond to new detailed analysis which you said you
were going to? A genuine critical thinking person would love a factual
analysis.
Well, when it comes to efficiency, which the battery is certainly a key player in the calculations of, only Apple couldn't earn an "A" rating.
But back to the topic, on this Apple newsgroup,
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 11:13:38 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :
For example, any reaction from Jolly Roger isn't proportional to the
critique; it's visceral, often absolutist. You don't see that same
reflexive denial or ideological gatekeeping in Android or Windows circles. >>>
On what I call the adult OS newsgroups, disagreement is tolerated.
Here, it's policed by the very Apple trolls who defend Apple to the death. >>>
Sounds like a cult.
Yup. And you & I aren't members of that absolutist Apple religious cult.
So be it.
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 11:13:38 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :
For example, any reaction from Jolly Roger isn't proportional to the
critique; it's visceral, often absolutist. You don't see that same
reflexive denial or ideological gatekeeping in Android or Windows circles.
On what I call the adult OS newsgroups, disagreement is tolerated.
Here, it's policed by the very Apple trolls who defend Apple to the death. >>>>
Sounds like a cult.
Yup. And you & I aren't members of that absolutist Apple religious cult.
So be it.
You're a dogmatic zealot that stops at nothing to support your "facts".
Let's not forget this completely fake table you posted last month. I know
you keep refusing to acknowledge this, but you did post it and you always claim you only deal with facts.
<105fq1r$2md5i$1@dont-email.me>
"Back to the efficiency thing, these are the results from just one lab in
the UK, the "Tech Chap Lab", who tested these ten flagship devices.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiLNpIWNCQk>
1. Xiaomi 15 Ultra | 5000 | 47h30m | 5.7 | A
2. Galaxy S25 Edge | 3786 | 32h20m | 8.2 | A
3. Pixel 9 Pro XL | 5050 | 41h50m | 5.0 | B
4. iPhone 16 Pro Max | 4422 | 36h10m | 8.2 | B
5. Xiaomi 15 Pro | 4800 | 39h40m | 4.9 | B
6. Galaxy S25 Ultra | 4855 | 38h10m | 4.7 | B
7. OnePlus 13 | 6000 | 49h00m | 4.9 | B
8. Honor Magic7 RSR | 5100 | 42h30m | 5.0 | B
9. Vivo X200 Pro Mini | 4700 | 37h40m | 4.8 | B
10. Asus Zenfone 12 Ultra | 5000 | 39h10m | 4.7 | B"
Are you going to own up to this absolute falsehood or are going to get badgolferman to defend you again?
I challenge badgolferman to spot how many errors there are in the table, in particular with respect to the reference in the yt link.
Are you going to own up to this absolute falsehood or are going to get badgolferman to defend you again?
I challenge badgolferman to spot how many errors there are in the table, in particular with respect to the reference in the yt link.
On 08/04/2025 07:06, Chris wrote:
Are you going to own up to this absolute falsehood or are going to
get badgolferman to defend you again?
He doesn't need me to defend him.
I challenge badgolferman to spot how many errors there are in the
table, in particular with respect to the reference in the yt link.
Sorry, I'm not interested in YouTube links or doing someone else's
work.
Laughably incorrect.
Slink away, like you always do.
On 4 Aug 2025 17:38:05 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
Slink away, like you always do.
What's interesting
What's interesting is
On 4 Aug 2025 20:36:53 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
What's interesting is
Of all the Apple trolls, you're (by far) the most vehemently
vindictive. You literally hate that we're discussing topics of
import to the iPhone.
What's interesting is how much you Apple trolls hate the truth about
iOS.
You don't seem to comprehend that the truth doesn't disappear just
because it makes you uncomfortable. If anything, your hostility
toward the topics discussed on this newsgroup only underscores the
validity of their claims.
On 4 Aug 2025 20:36:53 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
What's interesting is
Of all the Apple trolls
Marion wrote:
On 4 Aug 2025 20:36:53 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
What's interesting is
Of all the Apple trolls, you're (by far) the most vehemently
vindictive. You literally hate that we're discussing topics of import
to the iPhone.
What's interesting is how much you Apple trolls hate the truth about
iOS.
You don't seem to comprehend that the truth doesn't disappear just
because it makes you uncomfortable. If anything, your hostility toward
the topics discussed on this newsgroup only underscores the validity
of their claims.
Jolly Roger proves the fallacy that if you don't respond to trolls
they will go away. That hasn't worked with him.
On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 07:21:39 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
Laughably incorrect.
Hi Chris,
I appreciate your enthusiasm for Apple, but the EU's new energy labeling system paints a different picture. Every iPhone sold in the EU, for
instance, failed to earn an 'A' rating for energy efficiency, while
numerous Android devices from almost every Android OEM in the EU did
achieve that top grade.
Chris, Apple got caught
lying about their imaginary "efficiency", Chris.
Battery efficiency isn't just about capacity; it's about how well the
device manages power under real-world conditions. And on that front,
Apple's results are objectively far behind that of Android OEMs.
On 08/04/2025 07:06, Chris wrote:
Are you going to own up to this absolute falsehood or are going to get
badgolferman to defend you again?
He doesn't need me to defend him.
I challenge badgolferman to spot how many errors there are in the table, in >> particular with respect to the reference in the yt link.
Sorry, I'm not interested in YouTube links or doing someone else's work.
Chris, Apple got caught
lying about their imaginary "efficiency", Chris.
Except to can't even evidence this "lie". This means we all know exactly
who is lying here.
On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 06:49:40 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
Chris, Apple got caught
lying about their imaginary "efficiency", Chris.
Except to can't even evidence this "lie". This means we all know exactly
who is lying here.
When Apple touts efficiency but can't meet the same benchmark that
nearly every major Android OEM has, it's fair to question the narrative.
When Apple touts efficiency but can't meet the same benchmark that
nearly every major Android OEM has, it's fair to question the narrative.
Where's the evidence that Apple "touts" this?
Many benchmarks show that iphones beat out a lot of comparative android models. Most with larger batteries. Even you have agreed that iphone batteries are very efficient.
Why do I have to look up references to prove to you the sun rises in
the morning, Chris, when you could look it up yourself before denying
it.
Why do I have to look up references to prove to you the sun rises in
the morning, Chris, when you could look it up yourself before denying
it.
I found this:
There is one other thing that Apple hardware and software do trounce
every Android phone on, and that's power efficiency. In our tests, the
iPhone 15 series as a whole outperforms most of the principal Android alternatives by several hours; in terms of screen-on time per charge.
The iPhone 15 was almost a two-day phone in my time with it, while the
Pixel lives from charging point to charging point if I want to stave
off battery anxiety. https://www.techradar.com/phones/i-ditched-my-android-for-an-iphone-15-for-a-week-and-apple-has-some-work-to-do
But the rest of the article is all about the shortcomings of the iPhone
in comparison to Android phones.
On Wed, 6 Aug 2025 19:08:21 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :
Why do I have to look up references to prove to you the sun rises in
the morning, Chris, when you could look it up yourself before denying
it.
I found this:
There is one other thing that Apple hardware and software do trounce
every Android phone on, and that's power efficiency. In our tests, the
iPhone 15 series as a whole outperforms most of the principal Android
alternatives by several hours; in terms of screen-on time per charge.
The iPhone 15 was almost a two-day phone in my time with it, while the
Pixel lives from charging point to charging point if I want to stave
off battery anxiety.
https://www.techradar.com/phones/i-ditched-my-android-for-an-iphone-15-for-a-week-and-apple-has-some-work-to-do
But the rest of the article is all about the shortcomings of the iPhone
in comparison to Android phones.
Hi badgolferman,
Thank you for l@@King up how Apple touts iPhone "efficiency",
where I'm not ever saying iPhones are efficient (in fact, I'm
saying the opposite - which is that iPhones are NOT efficient).
However, what matters for this conversation is what Apple says.
Note the very adult reality that these well-known and obviously
from Apple iPhone marketing summaries use the word "efficient"
literally a dozen times in 9 pages. Yes. More than once per page.
Product Environmental Report
iPhone 14
Date introduced
September 7, 2022
<https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/products/iphone/iPhone_14_PER_Sept2022.pdf>
Product Environmental Report
iPhone 13 mini
Date introduced
September 14, 2021
<https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/products/iphone/iPhone_13_mini_PER_Sept2021.pdf>
Product Environmental Report
iPhone 13
Date introduced
September 14, 2021
<https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/products/iphone/iPhone_13_PER_Sept2021.pdf>
Apple Marketing isn't stupid.
It's no accident they used the word "efficient" a dozen times in 9 pages.
Marketing *repeated* the word "efficient" a dozen times to put into
people's brains that the iPhone is "efficient". They're not stupid.
No wonder you've shied from sharing these before today.
Marion wrote:
Why do I have to look up references to prove to you the sun rises in
the morning, Chris, when you could look it up yourself before denying
it.
I found this:A big part of that is because iOS doesn't support multitasking, only
There is one other thing that Apple hardware and software do trounce
every Android phone on, and that's power efficiency.
On 8/6/2025 12:08 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Marion wrote:A big part of that is because iOS doesn't support multitasking, only
Why do I have to look up references to prove to you the sun rises in
the morning, Chris, when you could look it up yourself before denying
it.
I found this:
There is one other thing that Apple hardware and software do trounce
every Android phone on, and that's power efficiency.
"task switching." No doubt that is intentional, in order to save power.
There is one other thing that Apple hardware and software do trounceA big part of that is because iOS doesn't support multitasking, only
every Android phone on, and that's power efficiency.
"task switching." No doubt that is intentional, in order to save power.
Utter rubbish. iphone processors are multicore so by definition can absolutely run multiple processes simultaneously aka multi-task. You can
test this easily by updating your apps while listening to music and
searching the web.
On 8/6/2025 12:08 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Marion wrote:
Why do I have to look up references to prove to you the sun rises in
the morning, Chris, when you could look it up yourself before
denying it.
I found this:
There is one other thing that Apple hardware and software do trounce
every Android phone on, and that's power efficiency.
A big part of that is because iOS doesn't support multitaskingi
There is one other thing that Apple hardware and software do trounce
every Android phone on, and that's power efficiency.
A big part of that is because iOS doesn't support multitaskingi
Imagine saying this with a straight face.