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Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
Chris wrote:
Factcheck: stated claim is narrowly focused and doesn't acknowledge obvious >>> strengths in Apple support and weaknesses in Android support.
The models to compare the $1000 iPhone to aren't the $35 Androids, Chris.
You've been doing well lately, but now regressed to your old
ways.
We've been through this. You're comparing your "free" entry level android with a very much non-free premium iphone. We all know you got an almost
free iphone at around the same time so you also know you should be
comparing your $35 galaxy A-32 to your $58 (iirc?) iphone 12 (mini?).
FACTS:
*Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
*(5 years) & it's less than Samsung & Google (7 years)
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
Allo FACTS:
Your galaxy is no longer supported by Samsung (since February) and that iphone - if you still had it - is still fully supported by Apple. And
likely will be for another two years. Looks like if you wanted a phone with longterm support you returned the wrong one.
The link above puts it really well:
"Some iPhones have received security updates six or more years after the initial release, which is far more support than the vast majority of
Android devices receive."
Chris wrote:
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
Chris wrote:You've been doing well lately, but now regressed to your old
Factcheck: stated claim is narrowly focused and doesn't acknowledge obvious
strengths in Apple support and weaknesses in Android support.
The models to compare the $1000 iPhone to aren't the $35 Androids, Chris. >>
ways.
We've been through this. You're comparing your "free" entry level android
with a very much non-free premium iphone. We all know you got an almost
free iphone at around the same time so you also know you should be
comparing your $35 galaxy A-32 to your $58 (iirc?) iphone 12 (mini?).
FACTS:
*Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
*(5 years) & it's less than Samsung & Google (7 years)
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
Allo FACTS:
Your galaxy is no longer supported by Samsung (since February) and that
iphone - if you still had it - is still fully supported by Apple. And
likely will be for another two years. Looks like if you wanted a phone with >> longterm support you returned the wrong one.
The link above puts it really well:
"Some iPhones have received security updates six or more years after the
initial release, which is far more support than the vast majority of
Android devices receive."
This is where I have to shake my head and wonder about your education.
1. When I'm explaining that a $35 Android has more functionality than
a $1000 iPhone, we're talking about inherent ability to run programs
Android wins.
2. Then you say that your $1000 phone is supported longer than a $35
phone and I would agree, where I would logically compare the flagship
promised written full support with the iPhone promised support.
iPhone loses.
3. The Apple trolls can't separate the two completely different concepts,
so they claim they found a flaw in the logic because they can't
understand that concept of promised support for $1000 Android flagships
being 40% longer than promised support for the $1000 iPhone.
WTF is wrong with you Apple trolls.
Seriously.
Have you no education at all?
No semblance of logic?
You are so desperate to counter the logic that every Android has more functionality than any iPhone and yet the full support being 40% longer is only for Android flagships - that you conflate the two in your head????
Who is that stupid?
Nobody, right?
Your brain can't separate that it's two completely DIFFERENT arguments!
a. The $35 phone runs more software functionality than a $1000 iPhone.
b. The promised support for competing Android flagships is 40% longer.
This is (one reason) why I assess that Apple trolls lack formal education
Since you are the only Apple troll here, I agree. Apple trolls have no education. Formal or otherwise.
Chris wrote:
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
Chris wrote:You've been doing well lately, but now regressed to your old
Factcheck: stated claim is narrowly focused and doesn't acknowledge obvious
strengths in Apple support and weaknesses in Android support.
The models to compare the $1000 iPhone to aren't the $35 Androids, Chris. >>
ways.
We've been through this. You're comparing your "free" entry level android
with a very much non-free premium iphone. We all know you got an almost
free iphone at around the same time so you also know you should be
comparing your $35 galaxy A-32 to your $58 (iirc?) iphone 12 (mini?).
FACTS:
*Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
*(5 years) & it's less than Samsung & Google (7 years)
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
Allo FACTS:
Your galaxy is no longer supported by Samsung (since February) and that
iphone - if you still had it - is still fully supported by Apple. And
likely will be for another two years. Looks like if you wanted a phone with >> longterm support you returned the wrong one.
The link above puts it really well:
"Some iPhones have received security updates six or more years after the
initial release, which is far more support than the vast majority of
Android devices receive."
This is where I have to shake my head and wonder about your education.
1. When I'm explaining that a $35 Android has more functionality than
a $1000 iPhone, we're talking about inherent ability to run programs
2. Then you say that your $1000 phone is supported longer than a $35
phone and I would agree, where I would logically compare the flagship
promised written full support with the iPhone promised support.
This is (one reason) why I assess that Apple trolls lack formal education
Tyrone wrote:
Since you are the only Apple troll here, I agree. Apple trolls have no
education. Formal or otherwise.
Heh heh heh ... for decades, people have wondered why you Apple trolls are like Russian diplomats - where the narrative you believe in doesn't exist.
Chris is and nospam was the "smartest" of you uneducated Apple trolls, but even they can't form a cogent argument that takes into account the facts.
These facts are disjoint & yet Apple trolls can't discern the differences.
1. A $35 Android phone has more functionality than any iPhone ever sold.
2. For flagships, Apple's iPhone has 30% less support in terms of time.
Chris wrote:
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
Chris wrote:You've been doing well lately, but now regressed to your old
Factcheck: stated claim is narrowly focused and doesn't acknowledge obvious
strengths in Apple support and weaknesses in Android support.
The models to compare the $1000 iPhone to aren't the $35 Androids, Chris. >>
ways.
We've been through this. You're comparing your "free" entry level android
with a very much non-free premium iphone. We all know you got an almost
free iphone at around the same time so you also know you should be
comparing your $35 galaxy A-32 to your $58 (iirc?) iphone 12 (mini?).
FACTS:
*Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
*(5 years) & it's less than Samsung & Google (7 years)
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
Allo FACTS:
Your galaxy is no longer supported by Samsung (since February) and that
iphone - if you still had it - is still fully supported by Apple. And
likely will be for another two years. Looks like if you wanted a phone with >> longterm support you returned the wrong one.
The link above puts it really well:
"Some iPhones have received security updates six or more years after the
initial release, which is far more support than the vast majority of
Android devices receive."
This is where I have to shake my head and wonder about your education.
1. When I'm explaining that a $35 Android has more functionality than
a $1000 iPhone, we're talking about inherent ability to run programs
Android wins.
2. Then you say that your $1000 phone is supported longer than a $35
phone and I would agree, where I would logically compare the flagship
promised written full support with the iPhone promised support.
iPhone loses.
3. The Apple trolls can't separate the two completely different concepts,
so they claim they found a flaw in the logic because they can't
understand that concept of promised support for $1000 Android flagships
being 40% longer than promised support for the $1000 iPhone.
WTF is wrong with you Apple trolls.
Seriously.
Have you no education at all?
No semblance of logic?
You are so desperate to counter the logic that every Android has more functionality than any iPhone and yet the full support being 40% longer is only for Android flagships - that you conflate the two in your head????
Who is that stupid?
Nobody, right?
Your brain can't separate that it's two completely DIFFERENT arguments!
a. The $35 phone runs more software functionality than a $1000 iPhone.
b. The promised support for competing Android flagships is 40% longer.
This is (one reason) why I assess that Apple trolls lack formal education
You obviously have no ability to separate promises from actual facts.
That would require an education, which you are clearly lacking.
As Chris pointed out, the CISA database is only about 6% of the known bugs.
That's not accurate. CISA only includes 6% of *exploitable*
vulnerabilities.
There are many, many more "bugs".
1. When I'm explaining that a $35 Android has more functionality than
a $1000 iPhone, we're talking about inherent ability to run programs
You're making a false premise and being dishonest.
2. Then you say that your $1000 phone is supported longer than a $35
phone and I would agree, where I would logically compare the flagship
promised written full support with the iPhone promised support.
And which of the phones from the same era is still fully supported and will be for another 1-2 years?
iphone wins.
This is (one reason) why I assess that Apple trolls lack formal education
Show us your books again to "prove" your "education". lol.
This is (one reason) why I assess that Apple trolls lack formal education
Reply #2
I recently sent you article references showing Apple is the clear winner
in actual long term phone support. Did you bother to read them. No.
The only false narrative here is yours. You refuse to believe facts.
Please post something showing that a $35 phone can run over 100 apps and offer any sort of performance. Also show that said phone's camera can compete with an iPhone 12 and up Pro.
Tom Elam wrote:
This is (one reason) why I assess that Apple trolls lack formal education
Reply #2
I recently sent you article references showing Apple is the clear winner in actual long term phone support. Did you bother to read them. No.
Microsoft is actually the clear winner, Tom. Not Apple.
The only false narrative here is yours. You refuse to believe facts.
Here's a fact I believe, Tom. What makes you think Apple is lying?
*Android Authority - How long Apple commits to iPhone software support*
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/
Please post something showing that a $35 phone can run over 100 apps and offer any sort of performance. Also show that said phone's camera can compete with an iPhone 12 and up Pro.
WTF? My phone cost me $35 and it has 1000 apps installed on it Tom.
Many of those functionalities don't even exist on the $1000 iPhones, Tom.
But the $35 isn't the point, nor is the 64GB the point.
The point is every Android phone ever made has more app functionality than any iPhone ever made. That's the point. You don't get it, Tom.
The point is the iPhone is the only consumer operating system today that can't run anything useful that *every* other operating system easily does.
In a word (actually in two words), iOS is 'brain dead' out of the box.
That you can't understand that is why I assess you as a nutcase zealot.
Because nobody who has any brains would disagree with that assessment. Simpley becuase it's so easy to prove.
Watch this proof:
Q: Name on app functionality on iOS not already on Android?
A: (nobody on these newsgroups has ever been able to find it)
(well, there is one, and that's ports below 1024)
Q: Name app functionality on Android not on iOS?
A: There are so many, it takes a while to list them.
(And I have, many times, so no need to repeat them.)
If you're too stupid to realize that those two questions have simple
answers, then you're too stupid to understand why iOS is brain dead.
You can't be taught.
Which is why, after all, I assess you nutcases as having a low IQ.
Where Apple stands out, at least by my reckoning, is both the hardware itself and the relationship of hardware and software. The integration
within the device itself, to say nothing of cross-device integration in
the Apple ecosystem, really does outshine Android in my own experience. That, alone, is a huge selling point for me.
On 09/30/2025 12:00, Smithwicks wrote:
Where Apple stands out, at least by my reckoning, is both the hardware
itself and the relationship of hardware and software. The integration
within the device itself, to say nothing of cross-device integration in
the Apple ecosystem, really does outshine Android in my own experience.
That, alone, is a huge selling point for me.
The cross-device integration and other cloud services all require an
active signed-in Apple account. This is something the OP rails against
and thus does not take into consideration when assessing the
functionality of iOS.
Tom Elam wrote:
You obviously have no ability to separate promises from actual facts.
That would require an education, which you are clearly lacking.
Well, while I lambasted Chris
for not being able to separate the two
arguments showing that any Android is more powerful than every iPhone
versus the argument that promised support for the thousand-dollar Android flagships is 40% longer than promised support for Apple's thousand-dollar flagships... Chris showed the ability to think in this post below...
Chris wrote:
As Chris pointed out, the CISA database is only about 6% of the known bugs. >>That's not accurate. CISA only includes 6% of *exploitable*
vulnerabilities.
There are many, many more "bugs".
Good point, Chris. You've opened my eyes, and, since I'm not an Apple
troll, I'm happy to say you taught me a lot about what the CISA KEV is.
I respect that you UNDERSTOOD what the CISA KEV database is, and isn't.
Even better than I did, in fact (and certainly better than Steve does).
But Steve is trying to understand it - which is really all that matters.
As am I.
Only you seem to have understood what's going on in the CISA database,
where when I first opened this thread, even I wasn't aware it wasn't zero days, for example, but that it was three things and three things only.
1. The exploit has a valid CVE ID.
2. There is reliable evidence of active exploitation.
3. A clear remediation action is already available to the general public.
I learned from that research from Yotam Perkal which you unearthed for us.
<https://medium.com/@yotamperkal/cisa-kev-a-balanced-perspective-ff3856e69ba9>
It turns out the CISA KEV is not a comprehensive database of all
exploitable or dangerous vulnerabilities. It's deliberately narrower since the CISA KEV db only includes vulnerabilities with verified, in-the-wild exploitation and a known fix which is already available to the public.
Summarized, the CISA KEV is more of a 'must patch' list than 'all risks'.
As you know, I wrote a cross-platform script anyone can run to parse KEV. Here is a sample recent output but it depends on how you set the switches.
Running on platform: Windows PowerShell
PowerShell version: 5.1.19041.6328
Downloaded fresh file: C:\data\sys\batch\cisa\kev.csv
Estimated Apple-related exploits: 106
Estimated Android-related exploits: 110
Estimated shared exploits: 20
Press any key to continue . . .
With all that in mind, the best insight I can offer the people on this newsgroup is the observation Apple "said" that they locked you into the barbed-wire prison garden for your safety. And yet, you gained no safety.
Why?
Apple lied.
They didn't lock you into the walled garden for your safety after all.
That is one of the insightful observations I can teach folks on this ng.
Chris wrote:
2. Then you say that your $1000 phone is supported longer than a $35
phone and I would agree, where I would logically compare the flagship
promised written full support with the iPhone promised support.
And which of the phones from the same era is still fully supported and will >> be for another 1-2 years?
iphone wins.
I get it that you "hope" to dear God that Apple will support the newest iPhones for longer than Apple "says" they will support them, Chris.
Why do you think Apple refused to promise anywhere near the support that
both the Pixels and Galaxy's enjoy, Chris?
Is it the same reason Apple puts the absolutely crappiest batteries they
can get away with in the iPhone
You're the one who lied about having a pHd in the biological sciences,
and
then you ridiculed the use of common words used in Genetics & Immunology.
I took immunology. I took genetics. I took chemistry galore. Physics too.
I took virology, bacteriology, mycology & parasitology. You did not.
I took engineering classes galore, and I took plenty of economics too.
badgolferman wrote:
On 09/30/2025 12:00, Smithwicks wrote:
Where Apple stands out, at least by my reckoning, is both the hardware
itself and the relationship of hardware and software. The integration
within the device itself, to say nothing of cross-device integration in >> the Apple ecosystem, really does outshine Android in my own experience. >> That, alone, is a huge selling point for me.
The cross-device integration and other cloud services all require an
active signed-in Apple account. This is something the OP rails against
and thus does not take into consideration when assessing the
functionality of iOS.
Let's be clear here. Very clear. It's all about functionality & privacy.
With Apple devices, you get neither.
There is nothing (other than privileged ports) that iOS does for a user
that Android can't do, period. Yet there is plenty Android does iOS can't.
That's a big deal.
But only for people who "do stuff".
As for this talk about "integration", it's bullshit.
The Google Pixel & Samsung Galaxy phones are integrated full well.
What Smithwicks is doing is simply parroting, mindlessly, Apple marketing. That's fine. Most ignorant people parrot everything they fed.
Russian serfs parrot Putin's mindless propaganda as well as Smitwicks did. But what badgolferman said was not mindless parroting.
What's DIFFERENT about Apple's integration is it *requires* a mothership login, which, means, there is no hope in hell of privacy on iOS devices.
That. That'. That. That is the big deal.
No Apple device can be made to be private.
Notice what you lose by believing Apple marketing?
a. Apple markets privacy - but you don't get any.
b. Apple markets integration - but it requires loss of privacy.
That.
That.
That.
That is the big deal.
Only intelligent people understand a word I said above though.
Smithwicks is not gonna be one of them.
How do I know?
Anyone who mindlessly parrots propaganda is not an intelligent person.
One out of thousands of people can see through Apple' marketing.
One out of thousands of people can see through Apple' marketing.
Bit rude but point well taken.
I used Android for well over 15 years so it's not as if I'm coming at
this from an exclusive angle. Just sharing my own perceptions after
getting fed up with the poor device integration I kept experiencing.
As to your jab on my not understanding your point about privacy and mothership logins, I missed that context in the original post when I
replied but I completely understand what you mean.
At the end of the day everything you worry about Apple doing is exactly
what Samsung, Google, etc. actively ARE doing.
You'll bite the bullet
either way unless you completely lock your device down.
If you want
that, go with Android and stack the hell out of it. If you can bite the bullet on Apple, go with Apple.
But even with the respective handing off
of privacy I have yet to see a conclusion that Apple is actively
acquiring, categorizing, and selling all of those data points to the
highest bidder.
Samsung, Google, and every other major company I can
think of actively are.
Just use their respective privacy contacts to
request all the data they have from your device.
Even if you have it
locked like Ft. Knox I bet you'd be shocked at what's still in their posession.
I'm open to correction on this point, of course.
Also: you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Smithwicks wrote:
One out of thousands of people can see through Apple' marketing.
Bit rude but point well taken.
I apologize if I'm blunt, but I've never known an Apple owner who didn't
buy the Apple product because they believed what Apple mktg fed them.
It's interesting to me how fantastically ignorant iPhone owners are.
They live inside a Wizard-of-Oz world filled with deceitful propaganda.
And they believe it all.
My role, on this newsgroup, is to tell the truth about Apple product.
If my brutal honesty offends the uneducated Apple trolls, so be it.
None of us on Usenet have a thin skin or we wouldn't still be here.
There are few companies as deceitful as Apple, which is one of the main reasons Apple is so profitable - because that profit is on top of lies.
*The Court finds Apple & its executives & its lawyers lied under oath*
<https://i2pn2.pugleaf.net/groups/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/thread/198771>
One way Apple lied is Apple propaganda "says" that iOS is "private".
And yet it's not even close.
In fact, there is no common consumer device _less_ private than iOS!
*The problem with Apple's dumb iOS terminals is your Apple Account*
<https://i2pn2.pugleaf.net/groups/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/thread/198960>
I used Android for well over 15 years so it's not as if I'm coming at
this from an exclusive angle. Just sharing my own perceptions after
getting fed up with the poor device integration I kept experiencing.
Android of today is like cars of today - they're nothing like they used to be, where all Android 10+ phones are now updated forever for example.
Also: you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Indeed. If you want to understand me, try to catch me in a false statement. You won't ever be able to do that.
That's how you can best understand me.
I don't care what I say about Apple, Google, Samsung or T-Mobile.
But I do care that everything I say is 100% sensibly logical.
You can disagree in my assessments but not in the facts I state.
Also: you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
WTF? My phone cost me $35 and it has 1000 apps installed on it Tom.
Many of those functionalities don't even exist on the $1000 iPhones, Tom.
But the $35 isn't the point, nor is the 64GB the point.
The point is every Android phone ever made has more app functionality than any iPhone ever made. That's the point. You don't get it, Tom.
The point is the iPhone is the only consumer operating system today that can't run anything useful that*every* other operating system easily does.
On 9/30/2025 10:28 AM, Marion wrote:
WTF? My phone cost me $35 and it has 1000 apps installed on it Tom.
Many of those functionalities don't even exist on the $1000 iPhones, Tom.
But the $35 isn't the point, nor is the 64GB the point.
The point is every Android phone ever made has more app functionality than >> any iPhone ever made. That's the point. You don't get it, Tom.
The point is the iPhone is the only consumer operating system today that
can't run anything useful that*every* other operating system easily does.
OMG, no $35 Android can run 1000 apps. Prove me wrong.
I made the transition to iPhone with no loss of function. So have
millions of other former Android phone users.
My iPhone has about 100 VERY useful apps. Name one useful Android app
that the normal user would find helpful that is not available on iPhone.
On the support side you are totally blind. Many Android phone brands do
not even offer support commitments. There is big difference between
that is promised and what is delivered.
iPhones well over 5 years old still get security updates.
https://www.macworld.com/article/675021/how-long-does-apple-support-iphones.html
On 2025-10-01 15:50:44 +0000, Tom Elam said:Thus excluding bot-farmers...
On 9/30/2025 10:28 AM, Marion wrote:
WTF? My phone cost me $35 and it has 1000 apps installed on it Tom.
Many of those functionalities don't even exist on the $1000 iPhones,
Tom.
But the $35 isn't the point, nor is the 64GB the point.
The point is every Android phone ever made has more app functionality
than
any iPhone ever made. That's the point. You don't get it, Tom.
The point is the iPhone is the only consumer operating system today that >>> can't run anything useful that*every* other operating system easily
does.
OMG, no $35 Android can run 1000 apps. Prove me wrong.
No sane person can even use 1000 apps ...
You can disagree in my assessments but not in the facts I state.
You don't state facts.
Also: you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
I don't know about house flies, but apple cider vinegar seems to work
fairly well for drain flies and fruit flies...
On 9/30/2025 10:28 AM, Marion wrote:
WTF? My phone cost me $35 and it has 1000 apps installed on it Tom.
Many of those functionalities don't even exist on the $1000 iPhones, Tom.
But the $35 isn't the point, nor is the 64GB the point.
The point is every Android phone ever made has more app functionality than >> any iPhone ever made. That's the point. You don't get it, Tom.
The point is the iPhone is the only consumer operating system today that
can't run anything useful that*every* other operating system easily does.
OMG, no $35 Android can run 1000 apps. Prove me wrong.
I made the transition to iPhone with no loss of function. So have
millions of other former Android phone users.
My iPhone has about 100 VERY useful apps. Name one useful Android app
that the normal user would find helpful that is not available on iPhone.
On the support side you are totally blind. Many Android phone brands do
not even offer support commitments. There is big difference between that
is promised and what is delivered.
iPhones well over 5 years old still get security updates.
https://www.macworld.com/article/675021/how-long-does-apple-support-iphones.html
for not being able to separate the two
arguments showing that any Android is more powerful than every iPhone
Features i+ power. Even with features you're wrong as I've shown you.
Summarized, the CISA KEV is more of a 'must patch' list than 'all risks'.
As you know, I wrote a cross-platform script anyone can run to parse KEV.
Here is a sample recent output but it depends on how you set the switches. >> Running on platform: Windows PowerShell
PowerShell version: 5.1.19041.6328
Downloaded fresh file: C:\data\sys\batch\cisa\kev.csv
Estimated Apple-related exploits: 106
Estimated Android-related exploits: 110
Estimated shared exploits: 20
Press any key to continue . . .
I can't make sense of your code and those numbers don't strike me as
correct.
Why do you think Apple refused to promise anywhere near the support that
both the Pixels and Galaxy's enjoy, Chris?
Remember it's only the S-class Galaxies that will get 7 years support in
the future, some will only get 5 years.
Owners will have to wait 5-6 years before that support is realised.
Whereas iphones get that level of support *today*. Again, no hope required.
The Samsung came with Android 11 and can be upgraded only to Android 13,
3 versions behind just-released v.16. This really kills Marion's 7 year
long support argument.
Chris wrote:
for not being able to separate the two
arguments showing that any Android is more powerful than every iPhone
Features +i+| power. Even with features you're wrong as I've shown you.
Nobody in that entire ~300-post thread can name a single app functionality
on iOS that isn't already on Android. If they could have, they would have.
Your ludicrous claim that only Apple-branded apps count as functionality notwithstanding, that fact remains the case (other than privileged ports).
Summarized, the CISA KEV is more of a 'must patch' list than 'all risks'. >>>
As you know, I wrote a cross-platform script anyone can run to parse KEV. >>> Here is a sample recent output but it depends on how you set the switches. >>> Running on platform: Windows PowerShell
PowerShell version: 5.1.19041.6328
Downloaded fresh file: C:\data\sys\batch\cisa\kev.csv
Estimated Apple-related exploits: 106
Estimated Android-related exploits: 110
Estimated shared exploits: 20
Press any key to continue . . .
I can't make sense of your code and those numbers don't strike me as
correct.
You can't "make sense" of the code? WTF?
How do I respond to that when it's clearly working PowerShell code?
The COMPUTER knows how to deal with that code, Chris.
It makes sense to the computer.
And, obviously, it's extremely well documented code, Chris.
Just run it.
a. It outputs a summary.
b. But it also outputs all the data files.
c. That's because I'm rather intelligent and thorough.
Just run the code Chris.
And look at the input and the output.
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
Chris wrote:
for not being able to separate the two
arguments showing that any Android is more powerful than every iPhone
Features 4+ power. Even with features you're wrong as I've shown you.
Nobody in that entire ~300-post thread can name a single app functionality >> on iOS that isn't already on Android. If they could have, they would have.
Your constant deflect, deny, ignore doesn't change the facts.
There are about six features that are core iOS functionality which are, at best, poorly replicated by third party applications. Usually requiring additional accounts reducing personal privacy.
Your ludicrous claim that only Apple-branded apps count as functionality
notwithstanding, that fact remains the case (other than privileged ports).
Total misrepresentation of the facts [denial].
You can't "make sense" of the code? WTF?
Just run the code Chris.
And look at the input and the output.
Code needs to be human readable and interpretable. Code needs to make clear not only what it does, but how it meets the purpose. Yours is doesn't do either.
Just because it runs and generates numbers is neither here nor there. It might as well be a random number ...
The fact is Apple's promised full support is the*worst* in the industry.
Google Pixel = 7 years
Samsung S = 7 years
iPhone = 5 years
On 10/2/2025 4:43 PM, Marion wrote:
The fact is Apple's promised full support is the*worst* in the industry.
Google Pixel = 7 years
Samsung S = 7 years
iPhone = 5 years
This is a lie, among many other lies.
Samsung does not currently offer 7 years of support for all their
phones. The Flagship line gets 7 years. Others get 6 years.
That is only Samsung. Most other OEMS offer less, far less.
Across the
entire Android universe the update policy is far inferior to Apple.
iPhone actual OS updates and security fixes go on more than the 5 year commitment. The wife's iPad 7 (2009 release date) just got an iOS 18
update when iOS 26 was released. That is a 6 year old machine.
Android OS updates often take months to make it to user devices, and
that varies by OEM. Apple OS updates all devices same day as released.
For decades, you strange Apple nutcase religious zealots have done this.
I think the main reason is none of you have any formal education at all.
Q: What's DIFFERENT about the Apple religious zealot nutcase trolls?
A: Not one of them could pass even a freshman college course exam.
You do not own the capacity to think at the level an adult should Tom.
You just don't.
LOL, when shown to be wrong you can only resort to insults and name-calling. You apparently don't know the difference between Samsung and Android.
Chris wrote:
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
Chris wrote:Your constant deflect, deny, ignore doesn't change the facts.
Nobody in that entire ~300-post thread can name a single app functionality >>> on iOS that isn't already on Android. If they could have, they would have. >>for not being able to separate the twoFeatures +i+| power. Even with features you're wrong as I've shown you. >>>
arguments showing that any Android is more powerful than every iPhone >>>>
There are about six features that are core iOS functionality which are, at >> best, poorly replicated by third party applications. Usually requiring
additional accounts reducing personal privacy.
We showed all six features are also core functionality on Android, Chris.
Tom Elam wrote:
LOL, when shown to be wrong you can only resort to insults and name-calling. >> You apparently don't know the difference between Samsung and Android.
For decades, Apple newsgroups have been filled with you rather strange trolls, all of whom are religious zealot nutcases of childish intellect.
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
Chris wrote:
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
Chris wrote:Your constant deflect, deny, ignore doesn't change the facts.
Nobody in that entire ~300-post thread can name a single app functionality >>>> on iOS that isn't already on Android. If they could have, they would have. >>>for not being able to separate the twoFeatures +i+| power. Even with features you're wrong as I've shown you. >>>>
arguments showing that any Android is more powerful than every iPhone >>>>>
There are about six features that are core iOS functionality which are, at >>> best, poorly replicated by third party applications. Usually requiring
additional accounts reducing personal privacy.
We showed all six features are also core functionality on Android, Chris.
"We" didn't do anything of the sort.
Resorting to third party apps with a separate unrelated login is not "core functionality".
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
Tom Elam wrote:
LOL, when shown to be wrong you can only resort to insults and name-calling.
You apparently don't know the difference between Samsung and Android.
For decades, Apple newsgroups have been filled with you rather strange
trolls, all of whom are religious zealot nutcases of childish intellect.
And now there's only one left. You.
"We" didn't do anything of the sort.Nobody in that entire ~300-post thread can name a single app functionalityfor not being able to separate the twoFeatures 4+ power. Even with features you're wrong as I've shown you. >>>>>
arguments showing that any Android is more powerful than every iPhone >>>>>>
on iOS that isn't already on Android. If they could have, they would have.
Your constant deflect, deny, ignore doesn't change the facts.
There are about six features that are core iOS functionality which are, at >>>> best, poorly replicated by third party applications. Usually requiring >>>> additional accounts reducing personal privacy.
We showed all six features are also core functionality on Android, Chris. >>
Resorting to third party apps with a separate unrelated login is not "core >> functionality".
Wait. Are you saying that one must login to "mainframes" for functionality?
Doesn't that make Android phones "dumb terminals"?
It is to laugh.
We showed all six features are also core functionality on Android, Chris.
"We" didn't do anything of the sort.
Resorting to third party apps with a separate unrelated login is not "core functionality".
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
Tom Elam wrote:
LOL, when shown to be wrong you can only resort to insults and name-calling.
You apparently don't know the difference between Samsung and Android.
For decades, Apple newsgroups have been filled with you rather strange
trolls, all of whom are religious zealot nutcases of childish intellect.
And now there's only one left. You.
Thank God.
Tyrone wrote:
"We" didn't do anything of the sort.Nobody in that entire ~300-post thread can name a single app functionalityfor not being able to separate the twoFeatures +i+| power. Even with features you're wrong as I've shown you. >>>>>>
arguments showing that any Android is more powerful than every iPhone >>>>>>>
on iOS that isn't already on Android. If they could have, they would have.
Your constant deflect, deny, ignore doesn't change the facts.
There are about six features that are core iOS functionality which are, at
best, poorly replicated by third party applications. Usually requiring >>>>> additional accounts reducing personal privacy.
We showed all six features are also core functionality on Android, Chris. >>>
Resorting to third party apps with a separate unrelated login is not "core >>> functionality".
Wait. Are you saying that one must login to "mainframes" for functionality?
Doesn't that make Android phones "dumb terminals"?
It is to laugh.
Chris wrote:
We showed all six features are also core functionality on Android, Chris. >>"We" didn't do anything of the sort.
Resorting to third party apps with a separate unrelated login is not "core >> functionality".
You prove my point, Chris, that none of you Apple trolls are formally educated since you don't even understand what the word functionality means.
You literally *hate* that iOS lacks basic functionality, Chris.
You *hate* it so much, you claim functionality can only come from Apple.
On Oct 5, 2025 at 2:41:08rC>PM EDT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
Chris wrote:"We" didn't do anything of the sort.
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
Chris wrote:
Nobody in that entire ~300-post thread can name a single app functionalityfor not being able to separate the twoFeatures +i+| power. Even with features you're wrong as I've shown you. >>>>>
arguments showing that any Android is more powerful than every iPhone >>>>>>
on iOS that isn't already on Android. If they could have, they would have.
Your constant deflect, deny, ignore doesn't change the facts.
There are about six features that are core iOS functionality which are, at >>>> best, poorly replicated by third party applications. Usually requiring >>>> additional accounts reducing personal privacy.
We showed all six features are also core functionality on Android, Chris. >>
Resorting to third party apps with a separate unrelated login is not "core >> functionality".
Wait. Are you saying that one must login to "mainframes" for functionality?
Doesn't that make Android phones "dumb terminals"?
It is to laugh.
And yet, you have Chris making the argument that tires can't be considered part of a vehicle made by Ford unless Ford themselves makes those tires.
You prove my point, Chris, that none of you Apple trolls are formally
educated since you don't even understand what the word functionality means. >>
You literally *hate* that iOS lacks basic functionality, Chris.
You *hate* it so much, you claim functionality can only come from Apple.
I mean, it's specifically the direct opposite. As you stated above the earlier discussion was about core functionality that iOS includes by
default without resorting to third party logins.
Yet you seem to argue that core functionality in Android includes anything available through the Play Store or elsewhere regardless of usability, security, or privacy requirements. That's plainly nuts.
Wait. Are you saying that one must login to "mainframes" for functionality?
Doesn't that make Android phones "dumb terminals"?
I guess it does... ;)
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a classic example of the "Strawman argument"
Chris wrote:
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a classic example of the "Strawman argument"
You are the one claiming that functionality doesn't exist unless it comes from Apple or from Google, Chris. Not me. Your argument is absurd.
You are the one claiming that functionality doesn't exist unless it comes
from Apple or from Google, Chris. Not me. Your argument is absurd.
You're doing it again.
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
And yet, you have Chris making the argument that tires can't be considered part of a vehicle made by Ford unless Ford themselves makes those tires.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a classic example of the "Strawman argument" used in discourse of opposing views. It presents a simplistic view of an argument which can be easily torn down. It is typically used by one side to incorrectly represent the opposing view in such a way to seem obviously
wrong and misdirect any observers of the argument. The misdirection is necessary for the side presenting the strawman usually because they are unable to present anything further against the opposing argument and therefore need to change it to something easier to argue against. Thus, it avoids admitting defeating and continues the argument needlessly. It
belongs to the class of fallacies within argumentation theory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
Arlen, you're only making yourself look stupid. If this is what you're resorting to you know you've already lost.
Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/30/2025 10:28 AM, Marion wrote:
WTF? My phone cost me $35 and it has 1000 apps installed on it Tom.OMG, no $35 Android can run 1000 apps. Prove me wrong.
Many of those functionalities don't even exist on the $1000 iPhones, Tom. >>>
But the $35 isn't the point, nor is the 64GB the point.
The point is every Android phone ever made has more app functionality than >>> any iPhone ever made. That's the point. You don't get it, Tom.
The point is the iPhone is the only consumer operating system today that >>> can't run anything useful that*every* other operating system easily does. >>
I made the transition to iPhone with no loss of function. So have
millions of other former Android phone users.
My iPhone has about 100 VERY useful apps. Name one useful Android app
that the normal user would find helpful that is not available on iPhone.
This is proof of the assessment that Apple trolls are incredibly stupid.
Every Android can run a GPS spoofer - yet no iPhone can.
Every Android can run a system-wide firewall - yet no iPhone can.
Every Android can run a graphical Wi-Fi debugger - yet no iPhone can.
The list goes on forever of software functionality on Android not on iOS. Yet, you "think" iOS can do what clearly, no iPhone can do.
That's why I assess you Apple zealot nutcases as having no IQ at all, Tom.
You're not only ignorant of what Android can do - but you're so ignorant of what Android can do that you don't realize what Android can do, Tom Elam.
And yet, you feel "qualified" to claim (clearly with sheer ignorance) that
"I made the transition to iPhone with no loss of function."
Your own statement proves that you Apple trolls are incredibly uneducated.
Chris wrote:
You are the one claiming that functionality doesn't exist unless it comes >>> from Apple or from Google, Chris. Not me. Your argument is absurd.
You're doing it again.
In summary, for decades, Apple trolls have made absurd claims of iOS, such
as the fact that the "support is better" when, in fact, it's the worst.
Why do Apple trolls claim that the worst support is the best support?
I think the reason is Apple trolls all lack formal education, Chris.
Why do Apple trolls claim that losing the aux jack is "courageous"?
I think the reason is Apple trolls all lack formal education, Chris.
Why do Apple trolls claim that they can do what a cheap Android can?
I think the reason is Apple trolls all lack formal education, Chris.
The list goes on and on with absurd claims by the Apple trolls of functionality on Apple devices that simply is a religious belief system.
Hence, the question is what is so very strange about you Apple trolls.
Why are you Apple trolls mired in a religious belief that defies facts?
Take the simple fact that all Android phones above Android 10 are updated monthly for a set of key modules which form the main part of the system.
You Apple trolls were complete unaware of that fact until I told you.
Who is that stupid?
It's fine that you Apple trolls are completely ignorant of all things, but then you shouldn't be posting your absurdities to an Apple newsgroup.
The question becomes, why, for decades, have Apple trolls been so stupid?
Why are Apple trolls completely unaware of everything about iOS & Android?
Why do I have to teach you everything you ever will know about this stuff?
I think a root cause is all of you Apple trolls fundamentally lack formal education, so you can't believe that facts exist outside of your religion.
Your own statement proves that you Apple trolls are incredibly uneducated.
The statement I made is true. I have never used any of functions you
claimed Android can run.
I also note that you failed to provide proof
that 1000 apps can run on a $35 Android device.
And, GPS spoofers are available on iPhone.
I think a root cause is all of you Apple trolls fundamentally lack formal
education, so you can't believe that facts exist outside of your religion.
Why you understand that no all Android phones get monthly updates or
that the modules in the update are not a security guarantee?
Oh, he lost _years_ ago. He just won t admit it. He s kinda like Imperial Japan; they lost on the morning of 4 June 1942.
They didn t admit it until
August 1945, and it took being thumped by _two_ nukes, having over 60 other cities burned to the ground (Tokyo took more damage and casualties than _both_ nuke raids combined) _and_ having the Russkies roam loose in China for
the Emperor to admit that the war has not gone in Jana s favor.
And even
then some Japanese soldiers fought on in the Philippines, Indochina, Indonesia, the Marianas, for up to _decades_. Everyone else can see that
he s lost, but like he keeps on going. Tenno heika banzai! Banzai! (roughly translated: |May the Emperor reign ten thousand years! Ten thousand
I killfiled him because he just repeats the same nonsense over and over and over.