• Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of

    From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Aug 20 16:57:38 2025
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    On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:10:31 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

    Never think I'm anything like you

    No risk of that.

    Heh heh heh... I love humor on Usenet.

    The astoundingly huge delta between Apple trolls and me is mainly...
    a. I'm well educated (none of the Apple trolls can earn even a degree)
    b. I'm not a herd animal (all of the Apple trolls are religious zealots)
    c. I *test* every Apple claim (all Apple trolls trust Apple implicitly)

    I'm not afraid of facts.

    The main fact I'm trying desperately to get adults to comprehend is there's (almost) no functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android because once they understand that fact, then we can begin to explore Apple's strategy.

    You conflate a trademarked product name with the underlying feature or capability, especially when Apple's branding dominates public awareness.
    a. Kleenex is a brand;
    b. Facial tissue is the functionality;
    c. People say "Kleenex" when they mean any tissue, regardless of brand.

    This is exactly like you saying "FaceTime" when you mean video calling.

    I'd LOVE to learn if there's something else.

    That's an utter lie. It took you almost a week to accept the SMB functionality and only succumbed when several ppl showed proof. Your MO is deny, deflect, attack. Which you're doing again here.

    Stop hiding.

    A huge problem with Apple trolls is you misunderstand almost everything.

    You actually believe the lies you just spewed. Yes. They're lies.
    You believe your own self-concocted lies because they fit your bias.

    Trust me when I say I don't believe a word the Apple trolls say.
    I need to repeat that for effect, Chris.

    If Jolly Roger or Alan Baker tell me that iOS can do something, I don't believe them until I test it myself - which takes both time & effort.

    Hell... do you really want me to delve into how the Apple trolls claimed
    over and over again that iOS could graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time?
    *Snit video purportedly detailing iOS showing Wi-Fi dBm over time*
    <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo>
    *It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time*
    <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0>

    <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0>

    The only person I trusted was Tyrone who actually used Windows 11.
    I didn't believe a single other person, Chris.

    The Apple trolls could have "said" it for months, Chris.
    And it would have zero impact on me until I tested it myself.

    Which I did.
    And only after I tested it myself, did I believe Tyrone.

    And, let's be clear, unlike Apple trolls whose ego is fragile because
    they've been told they're stupid their entire lives, I can admit when
    I'm wrong, Chris. My ego is being able to learn the truth, Chris.

    So stop it with your brazen lies, which I'm sure you believe.
    Your entire belief system is based on your own lies, Chris.

    I repeat for effect:
    1. I thought no app could use privileged ports
    2. The Apple trolls claimed iOS apps can use SMB ports
    3. I didn't take them seriously until Tyrone posted
    4. Even then, I tested it myself to make sure for myself
    5. Then I profusely apologized & openly congratulated him

    Yet you morally decrepit deceitful unprepossessing Apple trolls construe
    that adult discovery, proof & public congratulation, as "hiding"??????
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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Aug 20 21:17:56 2025
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    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:10:31 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    This is exactly like you saying "FaceTime" when you mean video calling.

    That's not what I said. You're deflecting.

    I'd LOVE to learn if there's something else.

    That's an utter lie. It took you almost a week to accept the SMB
    functionality and only succumbed when several ppl showed proof. Your MO is >> deny, deflect, attack. Which you're doing again here.

    Stop hiding.

    A huge problem with Apple trolls is you misunderstand almost everything.

    Projection.

    You intentionally misconstrue things or pretend to misunderstand.

    I can admit when
    I'm wrong, Chris. My ego is being able to learn the truth, Chris.

    Another lie. Only last week (or the week before) you regurgitated your
    dogma that iOS does nothing that Android can. I and someone else had to
    remind you of the truth which you yourself tested.

    That's what prompted your thread where you refused to even *think* for yourself.

    So stop it with your brazen lies, which I'm sure you believe.

    Projection.

    You simply cannot accept any fact that isn't a made up one of yours.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Aug 21 00:11:21 2025
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    On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 21:17:56 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    This is exactly like you saying "FaceTime" when you mean video calling.

    That's not what I said. You're deflecting.

    I addressed EVERY one of your issues in detail in the thread on the topic.

    From: Marion <marion@facts.com>
    Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
    Subject: Re: Is there really only one thing that iOS can do that Android can't do?
    Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 05:39:42 -0000 (UTC)
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    A huge problem with Apple trolls is you misunderstand almost everything.

    Projection.
    You intentionally misconstrue things or pretend to misunderstand.

    You call this hiding!
    1. I thought no app could use privileged ports on any operating system
    2. Yet the infamous Apple trolls claimed iOS apps can use SMB ports
    3. Obviously, I didn't take them seriously - at least until Tyrone posted
    4. Even then, I tested Tyrone's claims in detail to make sure of the facts
    5. Then I profusely apologized & openly congratulated him & the others

    Yet you morally decrepit deceitful unprepossessing Apple trolls construe
    that adult discovery, proof & public congratulation, as "hiding"??????

    I can admit when
    I'm wrong, Chris. My ego is being able to learn the truth, Chris.

    Another lie. Only last week (or the week before) you regurgitated your
    dogma that iOS does nothing that Android can. I and someone else had to remind you of the truth which you yourself tested.

    That's what prompted your thread where you refused to even *think* for yourself.

    The fact remains I'm so not afraid of the facts that I posted this, Chris:
    To read the article, simply paste the message-id into this lookup engine:
    <https://al.howardknight.net/>

    Here... I'll do all the work for you, Chris:
    <https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C107jsqu%242mb0%241%40nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com%3E>

    So stop it with your brazen lies, which I'm sure you believe.

    Projection.
    You simply cannot accept any fact that isn't a made up one of yours.

    You call this "not accepting the facts"????????
    1. I thought no app could use privileged ports on any operating system
    2. Yet the infamous Apple trolls claimed iOS apps can use SMB ports
    3. Obviously, I didn't take them seriously - at least until Tyrone posted
    4. Even then, I tested Tyrone's claims in detail to make sure of the facts
    5. Then I profusely apologized & openly congratulated him & the others

    Yet you deceitful unprepossessing Apple trolls construe that adult
    discovery, proof & public congratulation, as "not accepting the facts"?????
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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Aug 21 07:14:33 2025
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    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 21:17:56 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

    The fact remains I'm so not afraid of the facts

    Yet you regularly omit them when making your claims. Plus, you are
    regularly incapable of evidencing your so-called "facts".

    Projection.
    You simply cannot accept any fact that isn't a made up one of yours.

    You call this "not accepting the facts"????????
    1. I thought no app could use privileged ports on any operating system
    2. Yet the infamous Apple trolls claimed iOS apps can use SMB ports
    3. Obviously, I didn't take them seriously - at least until Tyrone posted
    4. Even then, I tested Tyrone's claims in detail to make sure of the facts
    5. Then I profusely apologized & openly congratulated him & the others

    6. within weeks I omit the fact when making claims about what iOS can't do.


    Yet you deceitful unprepossessing Apple trolls construe that adult discovery, proof & public congratulation, as "not accepting the facts"?????

    See step 6.



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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Aug 21 21:30:44 2025
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    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 21:17:56 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    This is exactly like you saying "FaceTime" when you mean video calling.

    That's not what I said. You're deflecting.

    I addressed EVERY one of your issues in detail in the thread on the topic.

    OK. Let's see:

    He will of course deny they are useful, claim they have a direct equivalent >> in android and will change the definition multiple times.

    So here's the list in no particular order.

    FaceID
    Universal Clipboard
    Backtap
    Geofencing and shortcuts in general
    Homekit integration
    Centre stage
    Find My - google's is nowhere near as useful being too new
    Family account settings (great for managing subs for kids)
    visual voicemail
    Facetime hand gestures
    scan to pdf (and annotate)

    Bonus one for ipadOS: Sidecar

    Personally, I use most, but not all of the above and would miss them if I
    didn't have them.

    All the functionalities Chris listed are available on Android, whether natively, via OEM tools, or through third-party apps.

    Then it's not an Android functionality is it?

    The distinction lies
    in meaningless branding, not in the existence of the features themselves.

    Apple Feature Android Equivalent(s)
    --------------------------------------------------------
    FaceID Face Unlock (Pixel, Samsung Intelligent Scan)

    I accept the Pixel 9 has depth perception. Samsung is still 2D only so insecure.

    Universal Clipboard SwiftKey + Windows Cloud Clipboard, Gboard

    Requires a third party account and so allowing a third party to see
    everything you type and copy is deeply unsatisfactory.

    Clipboard, Samsung Link to Windows
    Backtap Quick Tap (Pixel), RegiStar in Good Lock
    (Samsung), Tap Tap (third party)

    Good to see Pixel catching up. However, third party apps elsewhere aren't
    going to work well.

    Geofencing and Shortcuts Tasker, MacroDroid, Samsung Modes and Routines

    This party tools and you've already shown that geofencing doesn't work.

    HomeKit Integration Google Home, Samsung SmartThings, Home Assistant

    Are they integrated into the OS or simply an app?

    Centre Stage Auto Framing in Google Meet, Instagram Body
    Frame, Samsung/Pixel tablet auto framing

    App specific. Centre stage works with all apps not just Apple ones. It is
    core to iOS.

    Find My Google Find My Device including Bluetooth
    tracker support for Pebblebee and Chipolo

    Nothing matches Find My for utility and ubiquity. Pebblebee and Chipolo in
    fact use the Apple Find My network. They aren't an alternative.

    Family Account Settings Google Family Link
    Visual Voicemail Google Phone (carrier VVM), Google Voice,
    YouMail, HulloMail

    Application specific. Doesn't work with traditional carriers.

    FaceTime Hand Gestures Meet, Zoom, Snapchat, Instagram filters and
    reactions

    Limited to app capability. Hand gestures are global in iOS/macOS.

    Claiming that instagram and snapchat are equivalent is funny.

    Scan to PDF and Annotate Adobe Scan, Xodo, PDFelement, Google Drive Scan,
    OEM camera doc scan

    All third party and from experience usually require an online service.

    Sidecar (iPadOS) Duet Display, Splashtop, Spacedesk, Samsung
    Second Screen (Windows pairing)

    Third party.

    So it seems that third parties attempt to fix many Android weaknesses while introducing others when compared to the core functionality of iOS with no
    third party deficiencies.

    Also good to see some of the Pixel hardware catching up, however the
    battery performance doesn't win any prizes. Maybe the 10 will improve on
    that?
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Aug 22 02:03:02 2025
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    On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 21:30:44 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    All the functionalities Chris listed are available on Android, whether
    natively, via OEM tools, or through third-party apps.

    Then it's not an Android functionality is it?

    Heh heh heh...

    You're desperate to prove me correct that there is only one thing on all of
    iOS that isn't on Android, and that's the use of the privileged port 445.

    The question is and was always what you can do on each platform without
    rooting it. That was the only stricture. Most people don't root/jailbreak.

    But other than rooting, everything else was fair game.

    If you want to play the game of what's native, that's fine; but that's a completely different question given the ecosystems are very different.

    The distinction lies
    in meaningless branding, not in the existence of the features themselves.

    Apple Feature Android Equivalent(s)
    --------------------------------------------------------
    FaceID Face Unlock (Pixel, Samsung Intelligent Scan)

    I accept the Pixel 9 has depth perception.
    Samsung is still 2D only so insecure.

    Heh heh heh...

    If it's on any Android, it counts, just like if it's on any iPhone, it
    counts. Same rules for both platforms should be equally applied to all.

    It would take forever if we judged whose was better since most things on Android are far more functional & most on iOS are far easier to use.

    You don't seem to comprehend that they're two different ecosystems.

    Although we all would likely agree that there are major players, where, surprisingly, Google doesn't rank in the top 5 around the world (but Google
    is number 4 in the USA by units sold - so it's complicated as you know).

    Worldwide Samsung, Xiaomi, Oppo & Vivo are the top four, although in the
    USA the ranking is Apple, Samsung, Motorola & Google as the top four.

    So I'd initially focus on that set of Android phones to compare iPhones to.

    Universal Clipboard SwiftKey + Windows Cloud Clipboard, Gboard

    Requires a third party account and so allowing a third party to see everything you type and copy is deeply unsatisfactory.

    Heh heh heh ...

    Might I remind you that almost everything on iOS requires that account.

    If you want to play the game of what doesn't require an account, that's
    fine; but that's a completely different question given everything on iOS requires an account (which has been proven many times in other threads).

    Clipboard, Samsung Link to Windows
    Backtap Quick Tap (Pixel), RegiStar in Good Lock
    (Samsung), Tap Tap (third party)

    Good to see Pixel catching up.
    However, third party apps elsewhere aren't going to work well.

    Heh heh heh...

    The whole point of Android is for 3rd-party apps to supplement the system. You're gerrymandering what was a very simple set of rules to compare with.

    The only constraint was jailbreaking/rooting was forbidden because most
    people don't do that - but everything else is fair game in this thread.

    Geofencing and Shortcuts Tasker, MacroDroid, Samsung Modes and Routines

    This party tools and you've already shown that geofencing doesn't work.

    Geofencing works fine. What I show is only what can be done for free
    and without accounts and without ads - but that's my personal restriction.

    You really don't want to apply that rule to the iPhone, Chris, as if you
    remove just the fact that the account is needed, nothing will work on iOS.


    HomeKit Integration Google Home, Samsung SmartThings, Home Assistant

    Are they integrated into the OS or simply an app?

    It doesn't matter because the functionality is there, Chris.
    You're focusing only on Apple's implementation of the functionality.

    Google Home integrates with Android OS features like voice assistant and routines but it's an app, while Samsung SmartThings has OS hooks as it
    comes preloaded with Samsung devices, and Home Assistant is a bit different from both of those - but the point is that the functionality exists.

    This thread would never end if it was just which apps we like best.

    Centre Stage Auto Framing in Google Meet, Instagram Body
    Frame, Samsung/Pixel tablet auto framing

    App specific. Centre stage works with all apps not just Apple ones. It is core to iOS.

    While Apple's Center Stage is integrated into iOS and works system-wide, Android offers auto framing too, just through a different architecture.

    Everything you say is proving my point for me, Chris.
    And that's good.

    Because it means you'll soon be ready to learn why.


    Find My Google Find My Device including Bluetooth
    tracker support for Pebblebee and Chipolo

    Nothing matches Find My for utility and ubiquity.

    It isn't about which one you like best, Chris, and it never was about that.

    While Apple's Find My is tightly integrated and benefits from ubiquity
    across Apple devices, Google's Find My Device offers equivalent
    functionality for Android users.

    Both locate phones, tablets, etc.
    Both have bluetooth tracker support.
    Both use a crowdsourced location network.
    Both have a map view + sound alerts.
    Both have offline tracking.
    etc.

    The fact you're picking things that you know are on Android means you're desperate to find something - but that's good as it proves my point.


    Pebblebee and Chipolo in
    fact use the Apple Find My network. They aren't an alternative.

    That used to be true, but now both Pebblebee and Chipolo support Google's
    Find My Device network natively. So Android users get the same tracking functionality iX just through a different ecosystem.

    Everything you claim simply nails my point home, Chris.
    Soon you may be ready to learn why.


    Family Account Settings Google Family Link
    Visual Voicemail Google Phone (carrier VVM), Google Voice,
    YouMail, HulloMail

    Application specific. Doesn't work with traditional carriers.

    While Apple has tighter OS-level integration, Google Family Link offers equivalent core parental controls for Android users. It even adds unique features like instant device locking and app approval revocation.

    Both platforms have visual voicemail inboxes, voicemail transcription and carrier support while Android has extensive third-party app support but
    this isn't about which one is better. While iOS integrates it into the
    Phone app, Android matches the functionality and even adds transcription
    and cloud sync via apps like YouMail and Google Voice.

    But this isn't about which is better.
    It's about what major functionality does iOS have that Android doesn't.

    So far nobody has found anything other than the use of port 445 on iOS that isn't already on Android. Once you figure out that is the answer, then, and only then, will you be ready to learn why.

    FaceTime Hand Gestures Meet, Zoom, Snapchat, Instagram filters and
    reactions

    Limited to app capability. Hand gestures are global in iOS/macOS.

    We all know Apple's gestures are baked into the OS, but Android users still
    get expressive reactions and filters in apps like Meet, Zoom, and Snapchat.
    The experience is app-driven, but the functionality of visual reactions triggered during video calls is absolutely there on Android.

    Notice how you end up proving my point, which I knew would happen, Chris.
    I'm trying to teach you something you are resistant to learning, Chris.

    Claiming that instagram and snapchat are equivalent is funny.

    It's not about being one-to-one identical, Chris. It's about functional
    parity. Snapchat and Instagram offer real-time AR effects, reactions, and filters that are often far more dynamic than Apple's preset gestures.

    For users who care about visual expression, Android has it also.

    Scan to PDF and Annotate Adobe Scan, Xodo, PDFelement, Google Drive Scan, >> OEM camera doc scan

    All third party and from experience usually require an online service.

    Most Android scanning apps work offline, including Adobe Scan and OEM
    camera apps. The fact that they're third-party doesn't limit functionality.

    In fact, those Android tools are far more powerful tools than Apple's
    built-in options, as they have bulk OCR and advanced annotation.


    Sidecar (iPadOS) Duet Display, Splashtop, Spacedesk, Samsung
    Second Screen (Windows pairing)

    Third party.

    Third party doesn't mean less capable. Android Duet Display and Spacedesk
    have flexibility and support for Windows with full touchscreen interaction.

    These are key things your beloved Sidecar doesn't even support.
    You hate that Android functionality is there, and often more powerful.

    Sidecar is great if you're locked into Apple's ecosystem. But Android users
    get the same second-screen experience - and more - through apps that work across platforms and offer wired + wireless options.

    It's not about which one you like, Chris.

    It's about the fact there is nothing but a single port that iOS can do that Android doesn't already do - and once you realize that - only then can you begin to understand Apple's strategy.

    So it seems that third parties attempt to fix many Android weaknesses while introducing others when compared to the core functionality of iOS with no third party deficiencies.

    I wonder if you realize you've proved my point in spades for me, Chris?

    The goal was to compare whether iOS offers any functionality that Android
    lacks - not whether it's built-in or third-party. And across the board,
    Android delivers the same core features, usually with more flexibility and customization. Whether it's auto framing, Find My, visual voicemail, or
    second screen support, Android users have access to all of it - no rooting,
    no jailbreaking - but anything else was always said to be acceptable.

    If you remove the need for accounts, almost everything on iOS breaks, as
    you can't even load an app or run your beloved Apple native tools, Chris.

    Also good to see some of the Pixel hardware catching up, however the
    battery performance doesn't win any prizes. Maybe the 10 will improve on that?

    This is a separate topic, where T-Mobile is offering me a free Pixel 10 so
    I just might look into it, although I hate phones missing key hardware.

    But looking only at the battery, the Pixel 10 Pro XL is 5,200 mAh, but
    that's only 200mAh more than my free 2021 Samsung Galaxy A32-5G phone.

    Back to the main topic, if your only critique left is that Android uses third-party apps to achieve the same functionality, then that means there
    is nothing on iOS that isn't already on Android - which means you're ready
    to start to begin to understand why this is the case.

    Remember, the whole point was that I knew the answer but you do not.
    I'm trying to teach you why, but first you have to understand iOS.

    You need to try harder to find a key functionality on iOS that isn't on Android, as you are resistant to learning what Apple's strategy really is.
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  • From -hh@recscuba_google@huntzinger.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Aug 24 17:14:04 2025
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    On 8/23/25 19:22, Tom Elam wrote:
    On 8/20/2025 9:57 AM, Marion wrote:
    The astoundingly huge delta between Apple trolls and me is mainly...
    a. I'm well educated (none of the Apple trolls can earn even a degree)
    b. I'm not a herd animal (all of the Apple trolls are religious zealots)

    I know quite a few iPhone owners with Masters and PhD degrees. That
    seems to mirror the population.

    From a somewwhat dated Forbes article:

    "Highest level of education attained? iPhone people are more educated:
    they over-weight +27% for graduate/PhD education and under-weight -33%
    for high school education. Android people show the same pattern to a
    much smaller degree: +8% for graduate/PhD, -12% for high school."

    I'd posted a similar observation last week, but income based< which we
    know generally correlates to academic achievement:

    <https://www.designveloper.com/blog/android-vs-iphone-users/>

    "On average, iPhone users have a higher income compared to Android
    users....an average salary of USD 53,251, whereas Android users earn a
    lower compensation of USD 37,040."

    $53K/$37K = a +43.8% higher average income for iPhone customers.



    Another fact, iPhone users hold onto their phone much longer than for Android. For 2 years+ 61% for iPhone versus 43% Android.

    https://www.techopedia.com/iphone-users-vs-android-users
    Because the greater overall wealth of iPhone customers alone would
    suggest they have a greater ability for a higher turnover rate, this
    implies some other, more significant factor is in play. There's a lot
    of cheap Androids, so the longer iPhone life could be due to Apple's
    market decision to not sell cheap low build quality phones which are
    more prone to breaking/dying more quickly.


    -hh
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Aug 25 01:26:55 2025
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    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 17:14:04 -0400, -hh wrote :


    Because the greater overall wealth of iPhone customers alone would
    suggest they have a greater ability for a higher turnover rate, this
    implies some other, more significant factor is in play. There's a lot
    of cheap Androids, so the longer iPhone life could be due to Apple's
    market decision to not sell cheap low build quality phones which are
    more prone to breaking/dying more quickly.

    Sometimes you make sense.
    Sometimes you make no sense.

    Your argument is absurd.

    First off, you're cherry picking since the vast majority of phones out
    there are NOT iPhones, so you're ignoring the vast majority of owners.

    You're literally cherry picking only the wealthy owners, and then, you triumphantly declare that they're rich & intelligent in the same breath.

    Then you compare that $1000 iPhone to a $45 Android and declare that not
    only are the people who pay $1000 for something that can't even do what the
    $45 Android can do, but that it lasts longer (you claim) by virtue only of
    the fact that it costs $1000 while any old Android that costs $45 (you
    claim) doesn't last longer - even as the build quality is vastly greater.

    WTF?
    Have you no argument at all that you have to make such absurd claims?

    You're desperate to claim a $1000 iPhone has more functionality than a $45 Android when you can't even list any functionality that it supposedly has.

    Why would someone pay $1000 for an iPhone that can't do what any $45
    Android can? That's NOT an intelligent person's kind of decision.

    What you're really saying is people who pay $100 for iPhones are stupid
    since they could have paid $45 for an Android & gotten more functionality.

    People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know.
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  • From -hh@recscuba_google@huntzinger.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Aug 25 14:41:01 2025
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    On 8/24/25 21:26, Marion wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 17:14:04 -0400, -hh wrote :
    Because the greater overall wealth of iPhone customers alone would
    suggest they have a greater ability for a higher turnover rate, this
    implies some other, more significant factor is in play. There's a lot
    of cheap Androids, so the longer iPhone life could be due to Apple's
    market decision to not sell cheap low build quality phones which are
    more prone to breaking/dying more quickly.

    Sometimes you make sense.
    Sometimes you make no sense.

    Your argument is absurd.

    Nope, far from it. Sorry that it went over your head.


    First off, you're cherry picking since the vast majority of phones out
    there are NOT iPhones, so you're ignoring the vast majority of owners.

    Of course I am, because I'm looking at just the domestic market, which
    is where these replacement & income metrics were from. That there's a
    billion 3rd world customers too just isn't relevant.


    You're literally cherry picking only the wealthy owners, and then, you triumphantly declare that they're rich & intelligent in the same breath.

    No, the logic is A > B, and B > C, therefore A > C. The A > B part was
    noting that smartphone demographic research data shows that the two
    customer populations aren't the same, with those who choose Apple
    correlating to significantly higher incomes. The B > C part refers to non-smartphone studies which show that higher incomes are correlated to
    having higher educational achievement. Both studies are stochastic, not deterministic, of course.
    Then you compare that $1000 iPhone to a $45 Android ...
    Your hyperbola attempts aside, I have seen a study which found that the average iPhone valuation is ~$400, and Android just under $300.

    Since the Apple price is less than their cheapest phone, I suspect that
    they may be pro-rating the products based on average age, which since
    iPhones are replaced less frequently could be effectively comparing the residual value of a ~2.5 year old iPhone to a ~1.5 year old Android..?


    and declare that not
    only are the people who pay $1000 for something that can't even do what the $45 Android can do, but that it lasts longer (you claim) by virtue only of the fact that it costs $1000 while any old Android that costs $45 (you
    claim) doesn't last longer - even as the build quality is vastly greater.

    Incorrect: what I posited was that perhaps *a* reason why iPhone owners
    keep them for long is because Apple build quality may be higher, for the simple reason that they choose to not sell cheap junk phones. We know
    that this isn't the case for Android.

    WTF?
    Have you no argument at all that you have to make such absurd claims?

    They're not absurd claims: it is merely stating known facts.
    And I've been deliberate to note what are *possible* reasons.

    You're desperate to claim a $1000 iPhone has more functionality than a $45 Android when you can't even list any functionality that it supposedly has.

    No, I've not stated any position about 'functionality'.


    Why would someone pay $1000 for an iPhone that can't do what any $45
    Android can? That's NOT an intelligent person's kind of decision.

    Why do rich people pay $8,000 for a Hermes purse? Does a Hermes have
    10x the 'functionality' of an $800 purse? /s
    What you're really saying is people who pay $100 for iPhones are stupid
    since they could have paid $45 for an Android & gotten more functionality.

    Just as I'd noted to Joel, you also need Sam Vime's theory of boots.


    People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know.
    Depends on how one defines "smarter": on an income basis comparison,
    the Rolex buyers are certainly on average more affluent. We know that
    higher income correlates to higher educational achievement. We also
    know that educational achievement similarly correlates to higher IQ.

    What I was noting was that the higher income carries the connotation of
    a greater ability for them to change [here, timepieces] more frequently
    with lower consequences...but for this analogy to iPhones, they actually
    don't actually change more frequently, but do so less frequently: why?

    The inference is that there's some aspect of higher product quality
    which decreases their motivation for its rate of replacement being as
    high as it is for Androids.


    -hh


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  • From badgolferman@REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Aug 25 19:17:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know.


    Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some
    people. It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have
    more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They donrCOt care that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of
    their peers.
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Aug 26 10:00:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2025-08-25 18:41:01 +0000, -hh said:

    On 8/24/25 21:26, Marion wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 17:14:04 -0400, -hh wrote :
    Because the greater overall wealth of iPhone customers alone would
    suggest they have a greater ability for a higher turnover rate, this
    implies some other, more significant factor is in play. There's a lot
    of cheap Androids, so the longer iPhone life could be due to Apple's
    market decision to not sell cheap low build quality phones which are
    more prone to breaking/dying more quickly.

    Sometimes you make sense.
    Sometimes you make no sense.

    Your argument is absurd.

    Nope, far from it. Sorry that it went over your head.


    First off, you're cherry picking since the vast majority of phones out
    there are NOT iPhones, so you're ignoring the vast majority of owners.

    Of course I am, because I'm looking at just the domestic market, which
    is where these replacement & income metrics were from. That there's a billion 3rd world customers too just isn't relevant.

    Comparing "iPhone" to "Android" in terms of sales and ownership is
    rather pointless anyway because there is only one iPhone maker and
    numerous Android makers (almost 1300 different phone brands!). Plus
    there are a ton of el cheapo Android phones, many of which are simply
    utter crap using old tech to achieve lower pricing.

    If you compare actual makers, Apple has around 27.5% of the global
    market, while their closest rival Samsung has 21.5% ... but even that
    is misleading because Samsung do make el cheapo models (and foldable
    models) while Apple only makes high-mid to higher end models.

    You may as well compare Toyota to Ferrari ... completely different
    markets and buyers.


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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Aug 26 01:57:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 19:17:22 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know. >>

    Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some people. It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They don't care that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of their peers.

    Hi badgolferman,

    You're so right. That's why it's pleasant when you join a conversation.

    I agree as I own a Rolex and German cars/bikes such as the bimmer/beemer
    (and you own a Gold Wing where both of us could have bought rice burners).

    A phone, a watch, a car, a loaf of bread... all are simple commodities. Marketing's job is to turn that commodity into a specialty item.

    Once it's turned into a specialty item, you no longer judge it the same.
    It's judged on whatever marketing can convince you is how to judge it.

    Never let me ever say that Apple marketing isn't the best at that task!
    Hence, I fully agree that people buy iPhones NOT for their functionality.

    They buy iPhones for whatever outcome Marketing has convinced them of.
    One of those outcomes, clearly, according to -hh, is "status/prestige".

    Fine. I get that. They "feel" that by owning an iPhone, they're important.
    Much like MAGA people do by owning a Trump Bible or a Trump MAGA shirt.

    It's pleasant to discuss relevant topics with you (and even -hh, at times,
    as he certainly "can" comprehend that there is nuance in our discussions).

    Just as I have been asking everyone at the gas pump for decades why they
    buy premium, rest assured I've asked hundreds of people over the years why
    they buy iPhones, particularly when I'm standing in line and noticing it in their hands.

    Almost always, in both cases, I get the marketing bullshit spit back at me. They don't actually know ANYTHING about the products that they're using.

    That's the problem as I see it.
    Marketing has convinced them that whatever Marketing tells them, is true.

    Lies that marketing feeds them abound, where I try to discuss those lies.
    One of the lies is that an iPhone is functionally superior to Android.

    It's not.
    After something like 300 posts (or so), nobody can find more than one
    useful thing that the iPhone does that Android doesn't do (i.e., port 445).
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Aug 26 03:06:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 10:00:08 +1200, Your Name wrote :


    Because the greater overall wealth of iPhone customers alone would
    suggest they have a greater ability for a higher turnover rate, this
    implies some other, more significant factor is in play. There's a lot >>>> of cheap Androids, so the longer iPhone life could be due to Apple's
    market decision to not sell cheap low build quality phones which are
    more prone to breaking/dying more quickly.

    Sometimes you make sense.
    Sometimes you make no sense.

    Your argument is absurd.

    Nope, far from it. Sorry that it went over your head.

    First off, you're cherry picking since the vast majority of phones out
    there are NOT iPhones, so you're ignoring the vast majority of owners.

    Of course I am, because I'm looking at just the domestic market, which
    is where these replacement & income metrics were from. That there's a
    billion 3rd world customers too just isn't relevant.

    Comparing "iPhone" to "Android" in terms of sales and ownership is
    rather pointless anyway because there is only one iPhone maker and
    numerous Android makers (almost 1300 different phone brands!). Plus
    there are a ton of el cheapo Android phones, many of which are simply
    utter crap using old tech to achieve lower pricing.

    If you compare actual makers, Apple has around 27.5% of the global
    market, while their closest rival Samsung has 21.5% ... but even that
    is misleading because Samsung do make el cheapo models (and foldable
    models) while Apple only makes high-mid to higher end models.

    You may as well compare Toyota to Ferrari ... completely different
    markets and buyers.

    I agree with badgolferman, -hh & Your Name that people don't buy an iPhone
    in general based on a feeling of superior functionality over Android.v

    If they did, they would be deluded.

    A phone, a watch, a car, a loaf of bread... all are simple commodities. Marketing's job is to turn that commodity into a specialty item.

    Virginia Slims are cigarettes for liberated women.
    Everyone knows that.

    Once it's turned into a specialty item, you no longer judge it the same.
    It's judged on whatever marketing can convince you is how to judge it.

    Never let me ever say that Apple marketing isn't the best at that task!
    Hence, I fully agree that people buy iPhones NOT for their functionality.

    They buy iPhones for whatever outcome Marketing has convinced them of.
    One of those outcomes, clearly, according to -hh, is "status/prestige".

    Fine. I get that. They "feel" that by owning an iPhone, they're important.
    Much like MAGA people do by owning a Trump Bible or a Trump MAGA shirt.

    I get it. I don't disagree.
    What I'd like though, is for people here to be able to understand that.

    That's all.
    Understand that nobody buys an iPhone over Android for functionality.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Aug 26 09:19:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2025-08-25 15:17, badgolferman wrote:
    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know. >>

    Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some people. It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They donrCOt care that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of their peers.

    So what?

    That might fly for a brief while, but when the continue to buy iPhones,
    it definitely suggests that they WORK well for the purchaser.
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  • From -hh@recscuba_google@huntzinger.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Aug 26 09:23:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 8/25/25 15:17, badgolferman wrote:
    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know. >>

    Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some people.

    And likewise, some buyers of Android (or Tesla/etc) are choosing these
    for some aspect of 'status' too.

    However, that some segment buys for reasons other than strictly utility shouldn't be a surprise, nor condemn that choice: it is the essence of
    why the entire field of product marketing exists.

    And goods which fake their desirability/status don't last long, so that
    is straightforward to eliminate here from consideration.

    But you & Marion are both missing the point that was being raised here,
    which is that higher affluence empowers greater fiscal frivolity, which
    if this really was all about status/image as you're suggesting, these
    owners would be promptly flipping to each new iPhone model ... but the ownership data shows that not only do they not, but they actually tend
    to own their iPhones for longer than Android buyers own their Androids.

    The ramifications here have a couple of likely possibilities:

    a) Apple makes better hardware which allows it to last longer;

    b) The hardware build is ~same, but Apple customers own longer because
    they're *less* vain about "shiny new thing" status symbols than Android.

    YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android.


    It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have
    more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They donrCOt care that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of their peers.

    Nope. The things which other consumers choose to assign value to in
    their product selections is not something that you personally get to approve/condemn, just because your personal opinion for what constitutes 'value' differs.

    If you want to make a credible argument that something is an overpriced
    piece of junk, you need to remove your personal bias from the argument
    that you make and transparently show objective metrics with actual data.

    Not this emotional hand-waiving you're doing, 'Karen'.


    -hh
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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Aug 26 16:26:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-25 18:41:01 +0000, -hh said:

    On 8/24/25 21:26, Marion wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 17:14:04 -0400, -hh wrote :
    Because the greater overall wealth of iPhone customers alone would
    suggest they have a greater ability for a higher turnover rate, this
    implies some other, more significant factor is in play. There's a lot >>>> of cheap Androids, so the longer iPhone life could be due to Apple's
    market decision to not sell cheap low build quality phones which are
    more prone to breaking/dying more quickly.

    Sometimes you make sense.
    Sometimes you make no sense.

    Your argument is absurd.

    Nope, far from it. Sorry that it went over your head.


    First off, you're cherry picking since the vast majority of phones out
    there are NOT iPhones, so you're ignoring the vast majority of owners.

    Of course I am, because I'm looking at just the domestic market, which
    is where these replacement & income metrics were from. That there's a
    billion 3rd world customers too just isn't relevant.

    Comparing "iPhone" to "Android" in terms of sales and ownership is
    rather pointless anyway because there is only one iPhone maker and
    numerous Android makers (almost 1300 different phone brands!).

    Agreed. Doesn't stop Arlen claiming it's a monolith and only the good bits count, tho . Crap android phones don't exist.

    Plus
    there are a ton of el cheapo Android phones, many of which are simply
    utter crap using old tech to achieve lower pricing.

    If you compare actual makers, Apple has around 27.5% of the global
    market, while their closest rival Samsung has 21.5% ... but even that
    is misleading because Samsung do make el cheapo models (and foldable
    models) while Apple only makes high-mid to higher end models.

    You may as well compare Toyota to Ferrari ... completely different
    markets and buyers.

    Not sure I agree with that. Top end androids definitely target the same
    market as Apple.



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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Aug 27 08:40:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2025-08-26 13:23:41 +0000, -hh said:

    On 8/25/25 15:17, badgolferman wrote:
    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know. >>>

    Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some
    people.

    And likewise, some buyers of Android (or Tesla/etc) are choosing these
    for some aspect of 'status' too.

    However, that some segment buys for reasons other than strictly utility shouldn't be a surprise, nor condemn that choice: it is the essence of
    why the entire field of product marketing exists.

    And goods which fake their desirability/status don't last long, so that
    is straightforward to eliminate here from consideration.

    But you & Marion are both missing the point that was being raised here, which is that higher affluence empowers greater fiscal frivolity, which
    if this really was all about status/image as you're suggesting, these
    owners would be promptly flipping to each new iPhone model ... but the ownership data shows that not only do they not, but they actually tend
    to own their iPhones for longer than Android buyers own their Androids.

    The ramifications here have a couple of likely possibilities:

    a) Apple makes better hardware which allows it to last longer;

    b) The hardware build is ~same, but Apple customers own longer because they're *less* vain about "shiny new thing" status symbols than Android.

    YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android.

    c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long
    (either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer
    versions of Android).

    d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the
    toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement.

    e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android
    phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced.

    f) ...




    It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have
    more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They donrCOt care >> that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of
    their peers.

    Nope. The things which other consumers choose to assign value to in
    their product selections is not something that you personally get to approve/condemn, just because your personal opinion for what
    constitutes 'value' differs.

    If you want to make a credible argument that something is an overpriced piece of junk, you need to remove your personal bias from the argument
    that you make and transparently show objective metrics with actual data.

    Not this emotional hand-waiving you're doing, 'Karen'.


    -hh


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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Aug 27 00:48:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:26:49 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    Comparing "iPhone" to "Android" in terms of sales and ownership is
    rather pointless anyway because there is only one iPhone maker and
    numerous Android makers (almost 1300 different phone brands!).

    Agreed. Doesn't stop Arlen claiming it's a monolith and only the good bits count, tho . Crap android phones don't exist.

    Chris,

    You don't even know what a "monolith" is, so stop it with that garbage.
    Up until iOS 16's use of RSRs, Apple shipped iOS updates as a monolith.

    It's only with iOS 16 RSRs that Apple joined the modern world of patches.
    The fact you don't know this proves my point you know nothing about iOS.

    Plus
    there are a ton of el cheapo Android phones, many of which are simply
    utter crap using old tech to achieve lower pricing.

    Nobody doubts there is much more choice in the Android ecosystem.
    Yet, my $30 phone has more functionality than any iPhone ever sold.

    If an Apple moron says it didn't cost me $30, let them show us where they
    saw more money coming out of my wallet since the reason they say that is
    they were told they are stupid their whole lives and they are.

    Tremendously low-IQ people like all the Apple trolls are can't fathom that
    the phone really only cost about $30 (which was simply the sales tax).

    There are no other charges (whether or not I got the phone - my bill is the same after the phone as it was before the phone - as the phone was free).

    The only thing I had to pay for was the sales tax on the imputed value.
    If they claim there is a "hidden charge" that only I pay, then that claim deserves them backing up where I pay a charge that nobody else is paying.

    But they can't.
    This is how I know that their IQ is so incredibly low as to be shocking.

    If you compare actual makers, Apple has around 27.5% of the global
    market, while their closest rival Samsung has 21.5% ... but even that
    is misleading because Samsung do make el cheapo models (and foldable
    models) while Apple only makes high-mid to higher end models.

    You may as well compare Toyota to Ferrari ... completely different
    markets and buyers.

    Not sure I agree with that. Top end androids definitely target the same market as Apple.

    I will agree with anyone, no matter who they are or what they've said in
    the past, if theymake a logically defensible sensible statement such as
    that which Chris just did.

    While every Android is more functional than any iPhone ever sold, Android
    OEMs make a range of choices, many of which copy the iPhone model.

    Those copycat Android-iPhones are typically unusually high priced for
    Android devices, and they typically lack even the most basic industry
    standard hardware, just like the iPhone does.

    What they have over iOS is what even a $30 Android has over iOS, which is
    the functionality on Android is vastly superior to iOS (with one exception
    - which is the use of port 445 - which is the one thing iOS does that
    Android can't do).

    It's interesting that the critically revealing functionality crossover
    point between iOS and Android happens at one, and from there, even a $30 Android has vastly more functionality than any iPhone ever sold.

    When you understand that, then we can begin to teach you why it is so.
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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Aug 27 16:43:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:26:49 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    Comparing "iPhone" to "Android" in terms of sales and ownership is
    rather pointless anyway because there is only one iPhone maker and
    numerous Android makers (almost 1300 different phone brands!).

    Agreed. Doesn't stop Arlen claiming it's a monolith and only the good bits >> count, tho . Crap android phones don't exist.

    Chris,

    You don't even know what a "monolith" is, so stop it with that garbage.
    Up until iOS 16's use of RSRs, Apple shipped iOS updates as a monolith.

    Clearly your grasp of English is lacking...

    It's only with iOS 16 RSRs that Apple joined the modern world of patches.
    The fact you don't know this proves my point you know nothing about iOS.

    ... just like your grasp of iOS.


    Plus
    there are a ton of el cheapo Android phones, many of which are simply
    utter crap using old tech to achieve lower pricing.

    Nobody doubts there is much more choice in the Android ecosystem.
    Yet, my $30 phone has more functionality than any iPhone ever sold.

    If an Apple moron says it didn't cost me $30, let them show us where they
    saw more money coming out of my wallet since the reason they say that is
    they were told they are stupid their whole lives and they are.

    You only got that (one-off) deal because you had a contract with the
    provider. No-one could have got that deal walking into a shop. How much do
    you pay for your contract? Currently, I pay -u7 pm.

    You like to compare it to $1000 (sic) iphones when you conveniently omit
    that you also got a special deal for your iphones.

    It's also been proven that A-range Galaxy models are "crap" based on your
    own definition.

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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Aug 27 15:38:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2025-08-26 20:48, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:26:49 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    Comparing "iPhone" to "Android" in terms of sales and ownership is
    rather pointless anyway because there is only one iPhone maker and
    numerous Android makers (almost 1300 different phone brands!).

    Agreed. Doesn't stop Arlen claiming it's a monolith and only the good bits >> count, tho . Crap android phones don't exist.

    Chris,

    You don't even know what a "monolith" is, so stop it with that garbage.
    Up until iOS 16's use of RSRs, Apple shipped iOS updates as a monolith.

    Simply false.

    Remember, a single counter example proves you wrong:

    iOS 15.2.1 weighed in at 870MB.

    A lot, but a full install of iOS 15 is 2.2GB.

    Ergo, the 15.2.1 update was not monolithic.
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  • From Tyrone@none@none.none to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Wed Aug 27 21:16:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Aug 27, 2025 at 3:38:45rC>PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-26 20:48, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:26:49 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    Comparing "iPhone" to "Android" in terms of sales and ownership is
    rather pointless anyway because there is only one iPhone maker and
    numerous Android makers (almost 1300 different phone brands!).

    Agreed. Doesn't stop Arlen claiming it's a monolith and only the good bits >>> count, tho . Crap android phones don't exist.

    Chris,

    You don't even know what a "monolith" is, so stop it with that garbage.
    Up until iOS 16's use of RSRs, Apple shipped iOS updates as a monolith.

    Simply false.

    Remember, a single counter example proves you wrong:

    iOS 15.2.1 weighed in at 870MB.

    A lot, but a full install of iOS 15 is 2.2GB.

    Ergo, the 15.2.1 update was not monolithic.

    iOS has NEVER been updated using the moronic method that Arlen claims. Which is, "Even if only a single line of code was changed, Apple ships the entire
    iOS out to every iPhone/iPad".

    If Arlen the lying troll had even a SINGLE iPhone/iPad, he would know this because THE SIZE OF THE UPDATE YOU ARE GETTING IS SHOWN EVERY TIME YOU UPDATE.
    And every update is a different size. How is that possible Arlen?

    The most recent 18.6.2 update was around 750 MB. Is that the ENTIRE iOS
    Arlen? Why are full version updates so much larger Arlen? Why are you such a lying dipshit Arlen?
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Aug 28 03:13:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 16:43:17 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    If an Apple moron says it didn't cost me $30, let them show us where they
    saw more money coming out of my wallet since the reason they say that is
    they were told they are stupid their whole lives and they are.

    You only got that (one-off) deal because you had a contract with the provider. No-one could have got that deal walking into a shop. How much do you pay for your contract? Currently, I pay u7 pm.

    What's sad is I can tell Apple trolls something a thousand times yet it
    never once sinks into your brain - which is how I know you have a low IQ.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg> A32-5G & iPhone 12 contract
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android
    <https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 fees

    You couldn't pass a single college exam, Chris, missing the same fact just once, let alone the thousand times I've posted those exact same images.

    I own six SIM carded devices, with the bill being $100/month + fees of
    about $20 nowadays (it used to be about $16 in those fees in April 2021).

    Note the Apple trolls swear there is a hidden cost that only I pay for
    getting those free phones even though every single person on postpaid
    T-Mobile USA at that time was offered the exact same plan.

    Nobody's bill changed by a cent (other than the sales tax of $30 for California) whether or not they took advantage of T-Mobile's offer.

    That Apple trolls claim the cost is greater than it was for me, yet they
    can't name what that cost is or where it came from, proves their low IQ.

    They can't believe something as simple as those terms and conditions.

    You like to compare it to $1000 (sic) iphones when you conveniently omit
    that you also got a special deal for your iphones.

    I wonder if you realize that the MSRP is less than $300 for my phone Chris. That means I'm comparing a $300 phone to that $1000 iPhone you speak of.

    That $300 phone has basic functionality that doesn't even exist on iPhones.

    It's also been proven that A-range Galaxy models are "crap" based on your
    own definition.

    Yet that $300 phone runs more software functionalities than any iPhone can.

    BTW, T-Mobile tried to get everyone who opted into that plan to opt out of
    it after a couple of years, as we discussed at length on this very ng.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/j2WMcwfY/tmobileoptout.jpg>

    As I recall, both badgolferman and I talked them out of changing our grandfathered plans, but I'm not sure if badgolferman followed through.

    Did he?
    Dunno.

    I told them to stop that crap.
    And they did.

    What I find indicative of low intelligence is you Apple trolls hate that
    you can't figure out terms and conditions so you feel that aliens must be manipulating my bill somehow unbeknownst to me in a way hidden to all.

    When you say that crap, it's further proof that Apple trolls are low IQ.
    If there was an additional cost to me - wouldn't you think I would know it.

    Just like if there was something that iOS could do that Android can't do, wouldn't you think someone (anyone!) on this newsgroup would know it?
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Thu Aug 28 03:24:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 21:16:21 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    iOS has NEVER been updated using the moronic method that Arlen claims. Which is, "Even if only a single line of code was changed, Apple ships the entire iOS out to every iPhone/iPad".

    If Arlen the lying troll had even a SINGLE iPhone/iPad, he would know this because THE SIZE OF THE UPDATE YOU ARE GETTING IS SHOWN EVERY TIME YOU UPDATE.
    And every update is a different size. How is that possible Arlen?

    The most recent 18.6.2 update was around 750 MB. Is that the ENTIRE iOS Arlen? Why are full version updates so much larger Arlen? Why are you such a lying dipshit Arlen?

    You Apple trolls don't have a clue how iOS worked back then.
    <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>

    Every update was different for each device but there was only one
    monolithic operating system which had to be built to do that.
    <https://support.apple.com/en-ph/guide/security/sec87fc038c2/web>

    The first Rapid Security Response updates for iOS 16.4.1, iPadOS 16.4.1 &
    macOS 13.3.1 (Ventura) started rolling out on May 1, 2023.
    <https://duo.com/decipher/apple-releases-fix-for-actively-exploited-webkit-bug>

    Not only are you Apple trolls so ignorant of iOS that you don't know that,
    but it's one of the main reasons iOS has 1-1/2 times the known exploits.
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    The fact that Apple has never tested huge chunks of its iOS code also
    belies the fact that Apple's lack of modern update wasn't the only reason.
    <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

    What makes things worse is Apple's promised written support is the worst in
    the industry when you compare with two of the main Android OEM players.
    *Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
    *and it's less than Samsung and Google*
    <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>

    It doesn't help that only Apple betrays the customer by never fully
    supporting anything other than a single release stream in its history.
    <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

    It's no longer shocking you Apple trolls know nothing about Apple product.
    Once you finally understand these facts, only then can I even begin to
    teach you why Apple's operating systems are the least secure in the world.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Aug 28 03:42:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 08:40:01 +1200, Your Name wrote :


    YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android.

    c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long
    (either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer versions of Android).

    d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the
    toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement.

    e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android
    phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced.

    WTF?

    Does Your Name actually believe what he just wrote?
    What he wrote makes him sound like an ignorant low-IQ uneducated kook.

    Besides, I wonder if he knows both Google & Samsung support Android on more operating system versions & for years longer than does Apple on iPhones.

    *Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
    *and it's less than Samsung and Google* <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/> --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Aug 28 19:23:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 16:43:17 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    If an Apple moron says it didn't cost me $30, let them show us where they >>> saw more money coming out of my wallet since the reason they say that is >>> they were told they are stupid their whole lives and they are.

    You only got that (one-off) deal because you had a contract with the
    provider. No-one could have got that deal walking into a shop. How much do >> you pay for your contract? Currently, I pay N+u7 pm.

    What's sad is I can tell Apple trolls something a thousand times yet it
    never once sinks into your brain - which is how I know you have a low IQ.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg> A32-5G & iPhone 12 contract

    Thanks for confirming that your $30 phone should be compared to a $50
    iphone, not as you always try claim a $1000 one. Not so hard was it?

    <https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android
    <https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 fees

    You couldn't pass a single college exam, Chris,

    Feeling fragile are you? Your attempts at insults speak more about you than anything else.

    missing the same fact just
    once, let alone the thousand times I've posted those exact same images.

    I own six SIM carded devices, with the bill being $100/month + fees of
    about $20 nowadays (it used to be about $16 in those fees in April 2021).

    Thanks for sharing. So $1440 a year (and every year) to get your "cheap" phones.

    You like to compare it to $1000 (sic) iphones when you conveniently omit
    that you also got a special deal for your iphones.

    I wonder if you realize that the MSRP is less than $300 for my phone Chris. That means I'm comparing a $300 phone to that $1000 iPhone you speak of.

    Given your phone is a crap A range, you should compare to the entry level iphone which is about $500.

    $1000 gets you an iphone Pro which is completely different market to the A range galaxies.

    Be honest in comparing like for like. $30 vs $1000 is simply a lie.

    That $300 phone has basic functionality that doesn't even exist on iPhones.

    False.

    It's also been proven that A-range Galaxy models are "crap" based on your
    own definition.

    Yet that $300 phone runs more software functionalities than any iPhone can.

    Am glad you agree that galaxy A range mobiles are "crap".

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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Aug 28 16:17:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2025-08-27 23:42, Marion wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 08:40:01 +1200, Your Name wrote :


    YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android.

    c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long
    (either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer
    versions of Android).

    d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the
    toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement.

    e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android
    phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced.

    WTF?

    Does Your Name actually believe what he just wrote?
    What he wrote makes him sound like an ignorant low-IQ uneducated kook.

    Besides, I wonder if he knows both Google & Samsung support Android on more operating system versions & for years longer than does Apple on iPhones.

    *Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
    *and it's less than Samsung and Google* <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>

    Did you not read this:

    "Apple hasn't offered update promises in the past, but the company has
    been really good at supporting its devices for long periods. For
    example, the iPhone XR is the oldest phone to get iOS 18, and that phone
    was released in 2018. This is a seven-year-old product."
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Aug 28 16:19:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2025-08-27 23:42, Marion wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 08:40:01 +1200, Your Name wrote :


    YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android.

    c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long
    (either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer
    versions of Android).

    d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the
    toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement.

    e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android
    phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced.

    WTF?

    Does Your Name actually believe what he just wrote?
    What he wrote makes him sound like an ignorant low-IQ uneducated kook.

    Besides, I wonder if he knows both Google & Samsung support Android on more operating system versions & for years longer than does Apple on iPhones.

    *Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
    *and it's less than Samsung and Google* <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>

    And this:

    rCLminimum of five years from the first supply date.rCY

    What Apple wrote was to put themselves in official compliance with a new
    UK REGULATION, and doesn't in any way, shape or form constitute proof
    that Apple will support it for ONLY 5 years.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Aug 28 23:48:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 19:23:29 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    What's sad is I can tell Apple trolls something a thousand times yet it
    never once sinks into your brain - which is how I know you have a low IQ.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg> A32-5G & iPhone 12 contract

    Thanks for confirming that your $30 phone should be compared to a $50
    iphone, not as you always try claim a $1000 one. Not so hard was it?

    To the point of this thread, that phone T-Mobile gave me in April of 2021 listed for an MSRP of less than $300 and at that time, it had more functionality than any iPhone ever sold. And it still does even now.

    If you could find something (anything!) that your iPhone can do that my
    $300 MSRP Android can't do, now is the time for you to let us all know.

    But stop saying only an iPhone can display the Apple logo.
    That's not functionality. That's just branding.

    <https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android >> <https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 fees >>
    You couldn't pass a single college exam, Chris,

    Feeling fragile are you? Your attempts at insults speak more about you than anything else.

    Chris,
    You are the one who asks the same question a thousand times.
    How many more thousands of times must I post those images?

    What's always telling about you Apple trolls is you can't process facts.
    You claim aliens must be manipulating my bills hiding the secret costs.

    missing the same fact just
    once, let alone the thousand times I've posted those exact same images.

    I own six SIM carded devices, with the bill being $100/month + fees of
    about $20 nowadays (it used to be about $16 in those fees in April 2021).

    Thanks for sharing. So $1440 a year (and every year) to get your "cheap" phones.

    Huh? Are you serious? WTF?

    You Apple trolls jump to the first lame excuse you can find for everything.
    You don't even think first.

    Let me tell you something very important about how mobile phones work.

    The service has nothing to do with the phone, Chris.
    T-Mobile doesn't make me use their phones.

    I can use any (unlocked) phone I want to use.
    I need the service anyway.

    The fact you claim that a phone works without service is patently absurd. Nobody is that stupid, Chris.

    Not even you.
    It's clear you're *desperate* to find an excuse to defend Apple.

    But you claiming that phones work without service is simply absurd, Chris.

    You like to compare it to $1000 (sic) iphones when you conveniently omit >>> that you also got a special deal for your iphones.

    I wonder if you realize that the MSRP is less than $300 for my phone Chris. >> That means I'm comparing a $300 phone to that $1000 iPhone you speak of.

    Given your phone is a crap A range, you should compare to the entry level iphone which is about $500.

    Why? My whole point is EVERY ANDROID is more powerful than ANY iPhone.
    My arguments are consistent. Sensible. Logical. Factual.

    $1000 gets you an iphone Pro which is completely different market to the A range galaxies.

    Be honest in comparing like for like. $30 vs $1000 is simply a lie.

    The whole point is that every Android is more powerful than any iPhone.

    That $300 phone has basic functionality that doesn't even exist on iPhones.

    False.

    Well then, prove me wrong, Chris.

    Name another functionality (other than port 445) that an iPhone can do that
    is useful that I can't do on my Android phone. Just name it please.


    It's also been proven that A-range Galaxy models are "crap" based on your >>> own definition.

    Yet that $300 phone runs more software functionalities than any iPhone can.

    Am glad you agree that galaxy A range mobiles are "crap".

    The point is every Android phone is more functionality than any iPhone.
    If that wasn't true, you'd be able to name something the iPhone does that
    is useful that Android phones cannot do. And yet, you can't do that.

    The proof is in your own answer.
    You actually know the answer.

    You hate the answer. But you know the answer.
    You won't admit it.
    But you know it.

    Once you accept the answer, only then can I begin to teach you why.
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  • From -hh@recscuba_google@huntzinger.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Aug 29 10:46:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 8/27/25 23:42, Marion wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 08:40:01 +1200, Your Name wrote :


    YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android.

    c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long
    (either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer
    versions of Android).

    d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the
    toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement.

    e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android
    phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced.

    WTF?

    Yup, those too.
    Does Your Name actually believe what he just wrote?
    What he wrote makes him sound like an ignorant low-IQ uneducated kook.
    Not at all: there's gems of truth in these as well. But one can
    nevertheless be charitable to Android users by avoiding mention of such examples which carry greater negative connotations of their users.



    -hh

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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Aug 29 15:28:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 19:23:29 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    What's sad is I can tell Apple trolls something a thousand times yet it
    never once sinks into your brain - which is how I know you have a low IQ. >>> <https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg> A32-5G & iPhone 12 contract >>
    Thanks for confirming that your $30 phone should be compared to a $50
    iphone, not as you always try claim a $1000 one. Not so hard was it?

    To the point of this thread, that phone T-Mobile gave me in April of 2021 listed for an MSRP of less than $300 and at that time, it had more functionality than any iPhone ever sold.

    It was a false statement then.

    And it still does even now.

    And still is a false statement now. Of the 11 features you may have
    rebutted a couple, but the rest are still unique to ios. Plus you helped
    add built-in OCR to the list.

    Plus, your crap A32 is no longer supported by Samsung whereas *every*
    iphone on sale in 2021 is still fully supported by Apple and all bar the Xr (which was discontinued in 2021) will be supported for another year. At
    least.

    If you could find something (anything!) that your iPhone can do that my
    $300 MSRP Android can't do, now is the time for you to let us all know.

    But stop saying only an iPhone can display the Apple logo.
    That's not functionality. That's just branding.

    <https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android >>> <https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 fees >>>
    You couldn't pass a single college exam, Chris,

    Feeling fragile are you? Your attempts at insults speak more about you than >> anything else.

    Chris,
    You are the one who asks the same question a thousand times.

    Yet I don't result to lazy insults as I'm confident in my argument. You
    lost your argument ages ago and all you have are insults.

    How many more thousands of times must I post those images?

    I'd love to see more ancient books which "prove" your college "degrees".
    lol.

    Given your phone is a crap A range, you should compare to the entry level
    iphone which is about $500.

    Why? My whole point is EVERY ANDROID is more powerful than ANY iPhone.
    My arguments are consistent. Sensible. Logical. Factual.

    Dogmatic. Illogical. False.

    The EU data alone shows dozens, if not hundreds, of android models are
    worse than iphone.

    $1000 gets you an iphone Pro which is completely different market to the A >> range galaxies.

    Be honest in comparing like for like. $30 vs $1000 is simply a lie.

    The whole point is that every Android is more powerful than any iPhone.

    That $300 phone has basic functionality that doesn't even exist on iPhones. >>
    False.

    Well then, prove me wrong, Chris.

    I have. You're just a liar.


    Am glad you agree that galaxy A range mobiles are "crap".

    The point is

    You're happy with your unsupported, "crap" phone. Which is fine.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sat Aug 30 22:22:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 15:28:25 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    Plus, your crap A32 is no longer supported by Samsung whereas *every*
    iphone on sale in 2021 is still fully supported by Apple and all bar the Xr (which was discontinued in 2021) will be supported for another year. At least.

    Every statement from you shows you do not understand how Apple updates iOS. That fact alone is how I know all of you Apple trolls own a substandard IQ.

    Because this isn't complicated stuff.
    It's simple.

    You've been given the link a thousand times so giving you the link a
    thousand more times won't help you understand the fact that every Android
    phone on or above Android 10 is updated forever with Google's hotfixes.

    Android 10 released on September 3, 2019.

    The fact is the iPhone XS, XS Max & XR, which were current at that time,
    are not capable of installing the current iOS release, which is iOS 26.

    Q: So which phones are still receiving monthly bugfix hotfix updates?
    A: ?

    Hint: Once you figure that fact out, I can then begin to teach you why.
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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Aug 31 16:59:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 15:28:25 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    Plus, your crap A32 is no longer supported by Samsung whereas *every*
    iphone on sale in 2021 is still fully supported by Apple and all bar the Xr >> (which was discontinued in 2021) will be supported for another year. At
    least.

    Every statement from you shows you do not understand how Apple updates iOS. That fact alone is how I know all of you Apple trolls own a substandard IQ.

    Because this isn't complicated stuff.
    It's simple.

    You've been given the link a thousand times so giving you the link a
    thousand more times won't help you understand the fact that every Android phone on or above Android 10 is updated forever with Google's hotfixes.

    Patching a few random services is not full support.

    If "forever" were true, why do Samsung and Google claim their phones are
    only supported for seven years?


    Android 10 released on September 3, 2019.

    The fact is the iPhone XS, XS Max & XR, which were current at that time,
    are not capable of installing the current iOS release, which is iOS 26.

    lol False. The current version is iOS 18 which does support those models.
    iOS 26 is not out until next month.

    For someone who says he can teach us everything about ios, that's a pretty basic failure.

    That means those phones have been fully supported by Apple since 2018 (i.e.
    7 years). Tell me which Samsung, Galaxy or other brands that are still
    fully supporting phones sold in 2018.




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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Aug 31 18:32:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 16:59:25 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    You've been given the link a thousand times so giving you the link a
    thousand more times won't help you understand the fact that every Android
    phone on or above Android 10 is updated forever with Google's hotfixes.

    Patching a few random services is not full support.

    Heh heh heh... every single Android 10 and newer is patched every month.
    How many iPhones of that era are patched every month, Chris.

    C'mon. Answer that question.
    HINT: None.

    If "forever" were true, why do Samsung and Google claim their phones are
    only supported for seven years?

    You already said why in your first sentence above, Chris.

    Apple's primitive update mechanism isn't anything like a modern system,
    Chris. Once you understand that fact, then I can begin to teach you why.

    Android 10 released on September 3, 2019.

    The fact is the iPhone XS, XS Max & XR, which were current at that time,
    are not capable of installing the current iOS release, which is iOS 26.

    lol False. The current version is iOS 18 which does support those models.
    iOS 26 is not out until next month.

    Good catch. But it's only good for a month since you must be aware that
    only Apple summarily completely drops support for all but one release.

    Nobody else has support that bad.
    Just Apple.

    For someone who says he can teach us everything about ios, that's a pretty basic failure.

    That means those phones have been fully supported by Apple since 2018 (i.e.
    7 years). Tell me which Samsung, Galaxy or other brands that are still
    fully supporting phones sold in 2018.

    Apple promises only five years of full support in writing, Chris.
    Google and Samsung promise seven.

    In addition, Android 10 and above devices are updated monthly, forever.
    Once you begin to understand that fact, I can begin to teach you why.
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