• Re: Is there really only one thing that iOS can do that Android can't do?

    From sms@scharf.steven@geemail.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Wed Aug 13 11:33:48 2025
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    On 8/4/2025 3:06 PM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip> > We have had IBM Maas360 and now Microsoft Intune. The Microsoft
    version is much better in my opinion. It took a while for the Android
    phones in our organization to be compatible with MaaS360 so they didn't
    have access to encrypted emails, thus users chose the iOS phones way
    more often. Eventually the Android phones became compatible but it
    wasn't long after that Intune got implemented. Frankly I don't know
    one person in our organization who uses a corporate Android phone.
    Surely there are some, but it may be that you must pay an extra fee for Intune to support Android phones.

    The big issue is that MDM on iOS is an Apple feature that works on all
    iPhones and iPads.

    MDM on Android requires an organization choose a third party, and it
    doesn't necessarily work on all Android devices.

    "No one ever got fired for buying iPhones and using Apple MDM," is akin
    to the saying "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM."

    AI says: "Avoiding blame for a poor choice often outweighs the potential benefits of a more adventurous selection."
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  • From sms@scharf.steven@geemail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Aug 13 11:37:18 2025
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    On 8/5/2025 7:14 AM, Tom Elam wrote:

    <snip>

    I can run ForeFlight on iOS, but not on Android.

    There are several Android apps that offer the capabilities of ForeFlight.

    It goes both ways. There are iOS apps with the capabilities of
    Android-only TorquePro.
    --
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Wed Aug 13 21:21:22 2025
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    On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 11:33:48 -0700, sms wrote :


    The big issue is that MDM on iOS is an Apple feature that works on all iPhones and iPads.

    MDM on Android requires an organization choose a third party, and it
    doesn't necessarily work on all Android devices.

    "No one ever got fired for buying iPhones and using Apple MDM," is akin
    to the saying "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM."

    AI says: "Avoiding blame for a poor choice often outweighs the potential benefits of a more adventurous selection."

    Steve spent years outlining what he feels the difference is between the
    iPhone and Android in terms of useful functionality differences.

    And yet, as far as we can tell from the >100 posts in this thread, there is only a single functionality that is on the iPhone that isn't on Android.

    Was that tremendous documentation effort by Steve all for naught?
    Well, if MDM is on Steve's list, then yes.

    But maybe Steve knows something (anything!) iOS can do that Android can't?

    In a way I feel sorry for Steve, as he's overall a good guy, but he's too desperate to claim things that his own bias strongly favors (e.g., Verizon
    over T-mobile is a classic for Steve, as it appears MDM is also for Steve).

    Whether or not Steve personally prefers iOS' MDM over Android's MDM...
    *The fact is both iOS & Android have perfectly modern & robust MDM.*
    _Period._

    Whether or not Steve or anyone likes Apple's far lower-functionality MDM
    (which may be easier to set up) or Android's much greater functionality
    (with correspondingly more complex setup) is a topic for another thread.

    The thought question for this particular thread topic is simply whether or
    not there is anything functionally useful (other than the admittedly rather useful ability to use privileged ports) that iOS has over Android.

    This is a thought-provoking ground-breaking obvious question to ask...
    Q: *Is there really only one thing an iPhone can do that Android can't do?*
    A: ?
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Aug 13 21:47:01 2025
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    On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 10:14:35 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :


    Note: Understanding why iOS is designed to be brain dead is an important
    step in understanding what Apple's fundamental marketing strategies are.

    Yes there is. I can go to my local Apple store 5 miles away and have
    them transfer my account, apps, and settings to a new iOS device.

    Thank you for bringing up that the Apple store is a unique "product",
    but while I can go to the Apple store for my Apple products, I can also go
    to the T-Mobile store for my Samsung Galaxy A32-5G which T-Mobile gave me.

    In fact, I did that, and I documented it multiple times on the Android newsgroup as I broke the port on one and I bricked another, both of which
    the T-Mobile store replaced for free (T-Mobile refunded the $20 store
    charge in my bill).

    All this was noted in the Android newsgroup when it happened.

    I can take my iOS iPad with a broken screen to that same store and get
    it replaced at no additional cost under terms of AppleCare+. That
    includes transferring account, apps and settings.

    Thanks for suggesting that only Apple products have a warranty,
    but the fact is Samsung and T-Mobile products have a warranty also.

    As I said above, T-Mobile replaced the *entire phone* when I busted the charging port by sleeping on the cable & when I bricked the phone by
    messing around with attempting to root it. All this is well documented.

    I received two replacement phones, from the T-Mobile store - for free.
    No warranty costs whatsoever.

    I can run ForeFlight on iOS, but not on Android.

    Thanks for trying to find a functionality on the iPhone or iPad that isn't
    on Android, but unfortunately for you, flight-planning software isn't it.

    ForeFlight on iOS has touch planning, form-based planning, routing and procedural advice, graphical pre-flight briefings and flight-plan filing,
    with weather intelligence, aeronautical charts, approach plates, taxi
    charts, hazard advice, digital logbook, gps positioning, cloud sync, ads-b integration, flight binders, etc., so it's clearly a useful too for pilots.

    But Android has similar flight planning, weather, charts and navigation
    tools such as Garmin Pilot, FltPlan Go, Avare, Air Navigation Pro &
    MyRadar, where most professionally and IFR pilots apparently use Garmin
    Pilot while VFR and budget-conscious pilots tend to use Avare & FltPlan.

    In fact, having moved from Android to iOS I have found nothing that I
    had on Android phones and tablets is missing on iOS.

    Heh heh heh.... up until you said that, you had credibility.

    Do you want me to list the functionalities I use every day on Android that
    are impossible to do on iOS?

    Seriously?
    Do you really want me to do that?

    That includes numerous Google apps, like Google Maps.
    However, Android will not run
    Apple Maps and most other Apple apps. In other words, for my uses iOS
    has more choices than Android. Thank you Google for making iOS more attractive with iOS app versions.

    I'm unsure why you brought up navigation software since both Android & iOS
    have navigation software - where Android has far more than does iOS overall (e.g., OSMAnd! is on Android but not on iOS but that's not the point).

    Both platforms have plenty of navigation software, so that's not going to
    be a functionality that is on the iPhone or iPad that isn't on Android.

    If Apple is brain dead why are all those great Google apps available on iOS?

    There's a reason I asked this rather adult thought question.
    You'll never see Apple tell you the answer to this question.

    After over a hundred posts, nobody yet has come up with a single
    functionality that is on the iPhone or iPad that is not on Android.

    I'm not afraid of the answer to this thought question.
    In fact, I hope someone (anyone!) comes up with an answer.

    Q: *Is there really only 1 thing iPhones can do that Androids can't do?*
    A: ?

    Note that nobody coming up with an answer, *is* an answer after all.
    That's why I asked the thought-provoking question.

    I know the answer.
    Only after others inculcate that answer, can they begin to learn why.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Aug 14 05:39:42 2025
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    On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 22:30:37 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    Given all his expertise, knowledge and teaching ability our regular troll cannot fathom that ios has some benefits over other devices.

    Note that they are fundamental to the OS and do not require downloading
    third party apps which will likely need a separate account and may
    introduce vulnerabilities or may be a bit flakey.

    He will of course deny they are useful, claim they have a direct equivalent in android and will change the definition multiple times.

    So here's the list in no particular order.

    FaceID
    Universal Clipboard
    Backtap
    Geofencing and shortcuts in general
    Homekit integration
    Centre stage
    Find My - google's is nowhere near as useful being too new
    Family account settings (great for managing subs for kids)
    visual voicemail
    Facetime hand gestures
    scan to pdf (and annotate)

    Bonus one for ipadOS: Sidecar

    Personally, I use most, but not all of the above and would miss them if I didn't have them.

    All the functionalities Chris listed are available on Android, whether natively, via OEM tools, or through third-party apps. The distinction lies
    in meaningless branding, not in the existence of the features themselves.

    Apple Feature Android Equivalent(s)
    --------------------------------------------------------
    FaceID Face Unlock (Pixel, Samsung Intelligent Scan)
    Universal Clipboard SwiftKey + Windows Cloud Clipboard, Gboard
    Clipboard, Samsung Link to Windows
    Backtap Quick Tap (Pixel), RegiStar in Good Lock
    (Samsung), Tap Tap (third party)
    Geofencing and Shortcuts Tasker, MacroDroid, Samsung Modes and Routines
    HomeKit Integration Google Home, Samsung SmartThings, Home Assistant
    Centre Stage Auto Framing in Google Meet, Instagram Body
    Frame, Samsung/Pixel tablet auto framing
    Find My Google Find My Device including Bluetooth
    tracker support for Pebblebee and Chipolo
    Family Account Settings Google Family Link
    Visual Voicemail Google Phone (carrier VVM), Google Voice,
    YouMail, HulloMail
    FaceTime Hand Gestures Meet, Zoom, Snapchat, Instagram filters and
    reactions
    Scan to PDF and Annotate Adobe Scan, Xodo, PDFelement, Google Drive Scan,
    OEM camera doc scan
    Sidecar (iPadOS) Duet Display, Splashtop, Spacedesk, Samsung
    Second Screen (Windows pairing)

    Thank you Chris for attempting to find something that iOS can do that
    Android can't do, where I get it that you are desperate to find something, anything, that an iPhone or iPad can do that Android doesn't already do.

    I can tell you feel only Kimberly-Clark Corporation can make Kleenex(TM)
    brand tissue paper, and therefore nobody else can make tissue paper.

    It's clear you feel only Johnson & Johnson can make Band-Aid(TM) brand
    sheer strips, and only Chevron can have Techron(TM) soap-for-gas even when every Top Tier gas station has the exact same polyetheramines.

    I get it you feel only Velcro Companies can make Velcro(TM) hook-and-loop fasteners, and you feel that only Unilever can make Q-Tips(TM) cotton
    swabs, and you feel only Haleon can make ChapStick(TM) lip balm.

    You feel only Thermos GmbH makes vacuum flasks, and you feel SC Johnson
    only makes Ziploc(TM) resealable plastic bags.

    I'm sure you feel only Kawasaki can make personal watercraft, called "Jet Ski's(TM) and that the only sticky notes can be made by 3M branded as Post-it(TM) pads. Hell, you clearly feel that only Sealed Air Corporation
    can make air-cushioned packaging inserts called Bubble Wrap(TM), and that
    only Duncan Corporation can make a spinning toy called a Yo-Yo(TM).

    It's clear you feel only Wham-O can make flying discs, often called a Frisbee(TM) and a plastic hoop toy called a Hula Hoop(TM).

    I knew you would come up with "branding is everything", and I knew why even before you said it, because you don't actually know anything about either
    iOS or Android - since all you know are the brand names Apple feeds to you.

    Apple calls it FaceID, Android calls it Face Unlock although Google brands
    it on the Pixel 4 as "3D face unlock" and Samsung calls it Intelligent Scan (face + iris) but even so, it's a gimmick on any platform - but both
    platforms have all the same gimmicks.

    Apple has Sidecar, Android has Duet Display.

    The names are different, but the functionality is there. In fact, Android
    gives you more control, as with Tasker for automation or Family Link for parental settings.

    It's not that Android lacks these features Chris.
    It's just that you know nothing about Android.

    You only know what Apple has fed you to know.
    Nothing more than that.

    You didn't even bother to look up the trademark list you provided to us.
    I sync my clipboard every single day between Windows & Android, Chris.
    I cut and paste on Android & Windows completely interchangeably.

    The Android Backtap is called Quick Tap on Piexls, RegiStar in GoodLock on Samsung, and many use Tap Tap on other phones (where I tested it for the developer myself, years ago and I can point you to the XDA thread on that).

    Geofencing and Shortcuts are done with MacroDroid & Tasker and Samsung
    Modes & Routines on Android, Chris. They're way more powerful you know.

    HomeKit Integration is called Google Home & SmartThings & Home Assistant on Android, where Google Home controls smart devices via Google Assistant,
    Samsung SmartThings has very broad device compatibility, and Home Assistant
    is an open-source hub with HomeKit bridge support.

    Centre Stage is called Auto-Framing in Google Meet & Instagram Effects
    where Google Meet has auto-framing and virtual backgrounds and Instagram
    has Body Frame effect which mimics Centre Stage for Reels, and Samsung and Pixel tablets just call it camera auto-framing.

    As we already stated, Chris, Apple's Find My is called Find My Device on Android, which has Bluetooth tracker support for Pebblebee & Chipolo.

    The Android branding of Family Account Settings is called Google Family
    Link which manages screen time, app installs, location, and subscriptions
    for kids.

    The Android branding for Visual Voicemail is called Google Voice & YouMail
    & HulloMail where Google Voice has free visual voicemail with
    transcription, and where YouMail blocks robocalls and transcribes messages, while HulloMail has nice search and email integration.

    The Android branding for FaceTime Hand Gestures are in Google Meet & Zoom & Snapchat Filters which have gesture-based filters & reactions.

    The Android branding for Scan to PDF & Annotate is called Adobe Scan & Xodo
    & PDFelement where Adobe Scan scans documents to PDF with OCR, and where
    Xodo annotates, signs, and edits PDFs & PDFelement is a full-featured PDF editor with cloud sync.

    Likewise, the Android branding for Sidecar is called Duet Display &
    Splashtop & Spacedesk where Duet Display turns Android into a second
    monitor, and where Spacedesk is a free alternative for Windows users, and Parsec + BetterDisplay are a Sidecar-like setup for Mac.

    Note very clearly that the Android ecosystem has more flexibility, because you're not confined to whatever's preloaded since you can mix OEM tools,
    Google services, and independent apps to get enhanced versions of iOS
    features. The underlying functions Chris noted exist on both sides; it's
    just a matter of branding, integration, and how you choose to assemble
    them.

    Let's get back to the Kleenex/Band'Aid/Velcro analogy where clearly the
    "label" is different, but the core capability is there. And in some cases,
    such as with Tasker for automation or MacroDroid's geofencing, the
    unbranded Android tools greatly surpass the decrepit iOS brands in customization as we already discussed on the main thread long ago.

    In summary, nobody yet can find a single functionality other than the
    rather useful ability to use privileged ports that an iPhone or iPad can do that an Android tablet or phone doesn't already do - simply using different brand names.

    Hence, the question remains:
    Q: Is there really only one thing that iOS can do that Android can't do?
    A: ?

    Once you absorb the answer, only then can I begin to teach you why.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Aug 15 00:03:26 2025
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    On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 07:06:41 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    Arlen checklist:

    Try as we might, after over a hundred posts, nobody can find anything
    useful on iOS that isn't already on Android except for a single thing.

    +----------------------------------------+--------+---------+----------+
    | Feature | iOS | Android | Exclusive|
    +----------------------------------------+--------+---------+----------+
    | Live Text / OCR | Yes | Yes | No |
    | App Clips / Instant Apps | Yes | Yes | No |
    | Offline Device Tracking (Find My) | Yes | Yes | No |
    | Precise Location Toggle | Yes | Yes | No |
    | VoIP Integration (CallKit / TelecomMgr)| Yes | Yes | No |
    | Private Relay / IP Obfuscation | Yes | Yes | No |
    | Background Task Scheduling | Yes | Yes | No |
    | Multicast / Raw Socket Access | Limited| Limited | No |
    | Bluetooth LE Audio / Nearby Sharing | Yes | Yes | No |
    | App Sandbox / Entitlement Model | Yes | Yes | No |
    | Per-App VPN Routing | Yes | Yes | No |
    +----------------------------------------+--------+---------+----------+

    Do we all yet agree that we've answered this question long ago?
    Q: Is there really only one thing that iOS can do that Android can't do?
    A: ?

    If so, are you ready to learn why?
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  • From badgolferman@REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Aug 15 00:43:20 2025
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    Marion wrote:

    On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 07:06:41 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    Arlen checklist:

    Try as we might, after over a hundred posts, nobody can find anything
    useful on iOS that isn't already on Android except for a single thing.


    +----------------------------------------+--------+---------+---------
    -+ | Feature | iOS | Android |
    Exclusive| >+----------------------------------------+--------+---------+---------
    -+ | Live Text / OCR | Yes | Yes | No
    | | App Clips / Instant Apps | Yes | Yes | No
    | | Offline Device Tracking (Find My) | Yes | Yes | No
    | | Precise Location Toggle | Yes | Yes | No
    | | VoIP Integration (CallKit / TelecomMgr)| Yes | Yes | No
    | | Private Relay / IP Obfuscation | Yes | Yes | No
    | | Background Task Scheduling | Yes | Yes | No
    | | Multicast / Raw Socket Access | Limited| Limited | No
    | | Bluetooth LE Audio / Nearby Sharing | Yes | Yes | No
    | | App Sandbox / Entitlement Model | Yes | Yes | No
    | | Per-App VPN Routing | Yes | Yes | No
    |
    +----------------------------------------+--------+---------+---------
    -+

    Do we all yet agree that we've answered this question long ago?
    Q: Is there really only one thing that iOS can do that Android can't
    do? A: ?

    If so, are you ready to learn why?

    Tell me why, but first tell me why iOS can do that one thing Android
    can't.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Aug 15 03:11:25 2025
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    On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 00:43:20 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    If so, are you ready to learn why?

    Tell me why, but first tell me why iOS can do that one thing Android
    can't.

    Hi badgolferman,

    I'm sure the Apple trolls will be happy to tell you that iOS can set up a server to bind to privileged ports WITHOUT needing to be root to do it.

    On all other platforms, you need to be root, at least momentarily so, in
    order to set up a server on privileged ports (Windows, Linux & Android).

    Apparently iOS SMB-sharing apps appear to bind directly to TCP 445 because they're using Apple's built-in SMB server framework (which is part of iOS) which already has the privilege to bind to port 445.

    The app itself isn't opening the socket but the app is apparently calling
    into an iOS privileged system service that does it on its behalf.

    On macOS, Windows, Linux & Android, you need to be root, at least
    momentarily so, to allow an SMB server to bind to privileged ports.

    Android (Linux) binding to ports below 1024 requires the capability CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE. Regular apps don't have it, so non'rooted Android
    apps can't bind 445.

    iOS (Darwin + sandbox) doesn't uniformly enforce the classic "privileged
    ports <1024 require root" rule for third-party apps. Instead, it relies on sandboxing, entitlements, and system daemons reserving ports they need. If
    no system service claims 445 and the app has Local Network permission,
    binding can succeed.

    Proof of statements above using the iOS SMB LAN drive 3rd-party app:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/8zk8s2mb/LANDRIVE-SMBSERVER01.jpg> Jan 24 2019
    <https://i.postimg.cc/7hgvTDRK/LANDRIVE-SMBSERVER02.jpg> LAN Drive Server
    <https://i.postimg.cc/g0TbCgRH/LANDRIVE-SMBSERVER03.jpg> Allow Bonjour
    <https://i.postimg.cc/SsHqMgxx/LANDRIVE-SMBSERVER04.jpg> Server Settings
    <https://i.postimg.cc/MpYWF0d9/LANDRIVE-SMBSERVER05.jpg> Network Ports
    <https://i.postimg.cc/wvvnFLGR/LANDRIVE-SMBSERVER06.jpg> Privileged Ports
    <https://i.postimg.cc/rp6r6Y24/LANDRIVE-01.jpg> Incessant Apple nag screen
    <https://i.postimg.cc/RFd6HS61/LANDRIVE-02.jpg> Two shares by default
    <https://i.postimg.cc/fykLSxhZ/LANDRIVE-03.jpg> Activate the SMB server
    <https://i.postimg.cc/CKPdhvWJ/LANDRIVE-04.jpg> User is Anonymous
    <https://i.postimg.cc/tRV7bNDt/LANDRIVE-05.jpg> iOS is now sharing
    <https://i.postimg.cc/c4RHg1pv/LANDRIVE-06.jpg> net use X: \\iOS\share
    <https://i.postimg.cc/d0xtPhyx/LANDRIVE-07.jpg> Allow iOS DCIM access
    <https://i.postimg.cc/B6F3rMsj/LANDRIVE-08.jpg> Command-line access only
    <https://i.postimg.cc/HsYGzpJc/LANDRIVE-09.jpg> Copy from iOS to WinPC
    <https://i.postimg.cc/pdNq0Z0G/LANDRIVE-10.jpg> Copy from WinPC to iOS


    As far as anyone can show in this thread, this is the only useful
    capability that iOS has that Android (and all other OS's) lack.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Aug 22 02:03:24 2025
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    On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 21:30:44 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    All the functionalities Chris listed are available on Android, whether
    natively, via OEM tools, or through third-party apps.

    Then it's not an Android functionality is it?

    Heh heh heh...

    You're desperate to prove me correct that there is only one thing on all of
    iOS that isn't on Android, and that's the use of the privileged port 445.

    The question is and was always what you can do on each platform without
    rooting it. That was the only stricture. Most people don't root/jailbreak.

    But other than rooting, everything else was fair game.

    If you want to play the game of what's native, that's fine; but that's a completely different question given the ecosystems are very different.

    The distinction lies
    in meaningless branding, not in the existence of the features themselves.

    Apple Feature Android Equivalent(s)
    --------------------------------------------------------
    FaceID Face Unlock (Pixel, Samsung Intelligent Scan)

    I accept the Pixel 9 has depth perception.
    Samsung is still 2D only so insecure.

    Heh heh heh...

    If it's on any Android, it counts, just like if it's on any iPhone, it
    counts. Same rules for both platforms should be equally applied to all.

    It would take forever if we judged whose was better since most things on Android are far more functional & most on iOS are far easier to use.

    You don't seem to comprehend that they're two different ecosystems.

    Although we all would likely agree that there are major players, where, surprisingly, Google doesn't rank in the top 5 around the world (but Google
    is number 4 in the USA by units sold - so it's complicated as you know).

    Worldwide Samsung, Xiaomi, Oppo & Vivo are the top four, although in the
    USA the ranking is Apple, Samsung, Motorola & Google as the top four.

    So I'd initially focus on that set of Android phones to compare iPhones to.

    Universal Clipboard SwiftKey + Windows Cloud Clipboard, Gboard

    Requires a third party account and so allowing a third party to see everything you type and copy is deeply unsatisfactory.

    Heh heh heh ...

    Might I remind you that almost everything on iOS requires that account.

    If you want to play the game of what doesn't require an account, that's
    fine; but that's a completely different question given everything on iOS requires an account (which has been proven many times in other threads).

    Clipboard, Samsung Link to Windows
    Backtap Quick Tap (Pixel), RegiStar in Good Lock
    (Samsung), Tap Tap (third party)

    Good to see Pixel catching up.
    However, third party apps elsewhere aren't going to work well.

    Heh heh heh...

    The whole point of Android is for 3rd-party apps to supplement the system. You're gerrymandering what was a very simple set of rules to compare with.

    The only constraint was jailbreaking/rooting was forbidden because most
    people don't do that - but everything else is fair game in this thread.

    Geofencing and Shortcuts Tasker, MacroDroid, Samsung Modes and Routines

    This party tools and you've already shown that geofencing doesn't work.

    Geofencing works fine. What I show is only what can be done for free
    and without accounts and without ads - but that's my personal restriction.

    You really don't want to apply that rule to the iPhone, Chris, as if you
    remove just the fact that the account is needed, nothing will work on iOS.


    HomeKit Integration Google Home, Samsung SmartThings, Home Assistant

    Are they integrated into the OS or simply an app?

    It doesn't matter because the functionality is there, Chris.
    You're focusing only on Apple's implementation of the functionality.

    Google Home integrates with Android OS features like voice assistant and routines but it's an app, while Samsung SmartThings has OS hooks as it
    comes preloaded with Samsung devices, and Home Assistant is a bit different from both of those - but the point is that the functionality exists.

    This thread would never end if it was just which apps we like best.

    Centre Stage Auto Framing in Google Meet, Instagram Body
    Frame, Samsung/Pixel tablet auto framing

    App specific. Centre stage works with all apps not just Apple ones. It is core to iOS.

    While Apple's Center Stage is integrated into iOS and works system-wide, Android offers auto framing too, just through a different architecture.

    Everything you say is proving my point for me, Chris.
    And that's good.

    Because it means you'll soon be ready to learn why.


    Find My Google Find My Device including Bluetooth
    tracker support for Pebblebee and Chipolo

    Nothing matches Find My for utility and ubiquity.

    It isn't about which one you like best, Chris, and it never was about that.

    While Apple's Find My is tightly integrated and benefits from ubiquity
    across Apple devices, Google's Find My Device offers equivalent
    functionality for Android users.

    Both locate phones, tablets, etc.
    Both have bluetooth tracker support.
    Both use a crowdsourced location network.
    Both have a map view + sound alerts.
    Both have offline tracking.
    etc.

    The fact you're picking things that you know are on Android means you're desperate to find something - but that's good as it proves my point.


    Pebblebee and Chipolo in
    fact use the Apple Find My network. They aren't an alternative.

    That used to be true, but now both Pebblebee and Chipolo support Google's
    Find My Device network natively. So Android users get the same tracking functionality iX just through a different ecosystem.

    Everything you claim simply nails my point home, Chris.
    Soon you may be ready to learn why.


    Family Account Settings Google Family Link
    Visual Voicemail Google Phone (carrier VVM), Google Voice,
    YouMail, HulloMail

    Application specific. Doesn't work with traditional carriers.

    While Apple has tighter OS-level integration, Google Family Link offers equivalent core parental controls for Android users. It even adds unique features like instant device locking and app approval revocation.

    Both platforms have visual voicemail inboxes, voicemail transcription and carrier support while Android has extensive third-party app support but
    this isn't about which one is better. While iOS integrates it into the
    Phone app, Android matches the functionality and even adds transcription
    and cloud sync via apps like YouMail and Google Voice.

    But this isn't about which is better.
    It's about what major functionality does iOS have that Android doesn't.

    So far nobody has found anything other than the use of port 445 on iOS that isn't already on Android. Once you figure out that is the answer, then, and only then, will you be ready to learn why.

    FaceTime Hand Gestures Meet, Zoom, Snapchat, Instagram filters and
    reactions

    Limited to app capability. Hand gestures are global in iOS/macOS.

    We all know Apple's gestures are baked into the OS, but Android users still
    get expressive reactions and filters in apps like Meet, Zoom, and Snapchat.
    The experience is app-driven, but the functionality of visual reactions triggered during video calls is absolutely there on Android.

    Notice how you end up proving my point, which I knew would happen, Chris.
    I'm trying to teach you something you are resistant to learning, Chris.

    Claiming that instagram and snapchat are equivalent is funny.

    It's not about being one-to-one identical, Chris. It's about functional
    parity. Snapchat and Instagram offer real-time AR effects, reactions, and filters that are often far more dynamic than Apple's preset gestures.

    For users who care about visual expression, Android has it also.

    Scan to PDF and Annotate Adobe Scan, Xodo, PDFelement, Google Drive Scan, >> OEM camera doc scan

    All third party and from experience usually require an online service.

    Most Android scanning apps work offline, including Adobe Scan and OEM
    camera apps. The fact that they're third-party doesn't limit functionality.

    In fact, those Android tools are far more powerful tools than Apple's
    built-in options, as they have bulk OCR and advanced annotation.


    Sidecar (iPadOS) Duet Display, Splashtop, Spacedesk, Samsung
    Second Screen (Windows pairing)

    Third party.

    Third party doesn't mean less capable. Android Duet Display and Spacedesk
    have flexibility and support for Windows with full touchscreen interaction.

    These are key things your beloved Sidecar doesn't even support.
    You hate that Android functionality is there, and often more powerful.

    Sidecar is great if you're locked into Apple's ecosystem. But Android users
    get the same second-screen experience - and more - through apps that work across platforms and offer wired + wireless options.

    It's not about which one you like, Chris.

    It's about the fact there is nothing but a single port that iOS can do that Android doesn't already do - and once you realize that - only then can you begin to understand Apple's strategy.

    So it seems that third parties attempt to fix many Android weaknesses while introducing others when compared to the core functionality of iOS with no third party deficiencies.

    I wonder if you realize you've proved my point in spades for me, Chris?

    The goal was to compare whether iOS offers any functionality that Android
    lacks - not whether it's built-in or third-party. And across the board,
    Android delivers the same core features, usually with more flexibility and customization. Whether it's auto framing, Find My, visual voicemail, or
    second screen support, Android users have access to all of it - no rooting,
    no jailbreaking - but anything else was always said to be acceptable.

    If you remove the need for accounts, almost everything on iOS breaks, as
    you can't even load an app or run your beloved Apple native tools, Chris.

    Also good to see some of the Pixel hardware catching up, however the
    battery performance doesn't win any prizes. Maybe the 10 will improve on that?

    This is a separate topic, where T-Mobile is offering me a free Pixel 10 so
    I just might look into it, although I hate phones missing key hardware.

    But looking only at the battery, the Pixel 10 Pro XL is 5,200 mAh, but
    that's only 200mAh more than my free 2021 Samsung Galaxy A32-5G phone.

    Back to the main topic, if your only critique left is that Android uses third-party apps to achieve the same functionality, then that means there
    is nothing on iOS that isn't already on Android - which means you're ready
    to start to begin to understand why this is the case.

    Remember, the whole point was that I knew the answer but you do not.
    I'm trying to teach you why, but first you have to understand iOS.

    You need to try harder to find a key functionality on iOS that isn't on Android, as you are resistant to learning what Apple's strategy really is.
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