• Re: Why would anyone buy an extended warranty on a phone?

    From sms@scharf.steven@geemail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Aug 13 11:25:51 2025
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    On 8/11/2025 7:06 AM, Tom Elam wrote:

    <snip>
    BUT, this time I just took the iPhone over to the local Apple Store, confident that if it was the charging port it could be fixed or even replaced under AppleCare+ terms. It took about 5 minutes to repair. Accumulated lint in the port that the store rep cleaned out. If the
    Apple rep had screwed up the port in the process so be it. The peace of
    mind knowing I would not be buying another phone is worth the monthly premium to me.

    Debris in the Lightning Port is a well known issue, probably the biggest "repair" other than batteries and screens. You can clean it out with a
    can of compressed air, or a toothpick, no need for AppleCare+ for that.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Aug 13 11:46:45 2025
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    On 2025-08-13 11:25, sms wrote:
    On 8/11/2025 7:06 AM, Tom Elam wrote:

    <snip>
    BUT, this time I just took the iPhone over to the local Apple Store,
    confident that if it was the charging port it could be fixed or even
    replaced under AppleCare+ terms. It took about 5 minutes to repair.
    Accumulated lint in the port that the store rep cleaned out. If the
    Apple rep had screwed up the port in the process so be it. The peace
    of mind knowing I would not be buying another phone is worth the
    monthly premium to me.

    Debris in the Lightning Port is a well known issue, probably the biggest "repair" other than batteries and screens. You can clean it out with a
    can of compressed air, or a toothpick, no need for AppleCare+ for that.

    I find GrCoUrCoM brand soft picks are great for cleaning out the port:

    <https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/d4ecd427-1965-48ab-b6f5-875bc2fddaaf.2d245a5673d4024b9cd62d35dc3c123f.jpeg>

    Spiky rubber coating on the tip helps to grab onto the lint.
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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Aug 13 19:07:40 2025
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    On 2025-08-13, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-13 11:25, sms wrote:
    On 8/11/2025 7:06 AM, Tom Elam wrote:

    <snip>
    BUT, this time I just took the iPhone over to the local Apple Store,
    confident that if it was the charging port it could be fixed or even
    replaced under AppleCare+ terms. It took about 5 minutes to repair.
    Accumulated lint in the port that the store rep cleaned out. If the
    Apple rep had screwed up the port in the process so be it. The peace
    of mind knowing I would not be buying another phone is worth the
    monthly premium to me.

    Debris in the Lightning Port is a well known issue, probably the
    biggest "repair" other than batteries and screens. You can clean it
    out with a can of compressed air, or a toothpick, no need for
    AppleCare+ for that.

    I find GrCoUrCoM brand soft picks are great for cleaning out the port:

    <https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/d4ecd427-1965-48ab-b6f5-875bc2fddaaf.2d245a5673d4024b9cd62d35dc3c123f.jpeg>

    Spiky rubber coating on the tip helps to grab onto the lint.

    I picked up one of these long ago and use it regularly. It's great:

    <https://www.purplemohawk.biz>
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    JR
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Aug 13 12:34:47 2025
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    On 2025-08-13 12:07, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2025-08-13, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-13 11:25, sms wrote:
    On 8/11/2025 7:06 AM, Tom Elam wrote:

    <snip>
    BUT, this time I just took the iPhone over to the local Apple Store,
    confident that if it was the charging port it could be fixed or even
    replaced under AppleCare+ terms. It took about 5 minutes to repair.
    Accumulated lint in the port that the store rep cleaned out. If the
    Apple rep had screwed up the port in the process so be it. The peace
    of mind knowing I would not be buying another phone is worth the
    monthly premium to me.

    Debris in the Lightning Port is a well known issue, probably the
    biggest "repair" other than batteries and screens. You can clean it
    out with a can of compressed air, or a toothpick, no need for
    AppleCare+ for that.

    I find GrCoUrCoM brand soft picks are great for cleaning out the port:

    <https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/d4ecd427-1965-48ab-b6f5-875bc2fddaaf.2d245a5673d4024b9cd62d35dc3c123f.jpeg>

    Spiky rubber coating on the tip helps to grab onto the lint.

    I picked up one of these long ago and use it regularly. It's great:

    <https://www.purplemohawk.biz>


    Seems useful..
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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Aug 14 17:21:14 2025
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    -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
    On 8/11/25 21:40, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 19:33:40 -0400, -hh wrote :


    Facts are
    that there's many different ways to calculate insurance rates and what
    you're trying to insinuate has very little bearing.

    There is only one way to calculate true costs, and that's to add them up.

    Which only works in a deterministic world.
    Unfortunately for you, insurance is stochastic.

    I think you mean probabilistic. If it was truly random/stochastic actuaries would not be able to model risk and insurance would be the same for
    everyone.


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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Aug 14 10:40:22 2025
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    On 2025-08-14 10:21, Chris wrote:
    -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
    On 8/11/25 21:40, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 19:33:40 -0400, -hh wrote :


    Facts are
    that there's many different ways to calculate insurance rates and what >>>> you're trying to insinuate has very little bearing.

    There is only one way to calculate true costs, and that's to add them up. >>
    Which only works in a deterministic world.
    Unfortunately for you, insurance is stochastic.

    I think you mean probabilistic. If it was truly random/stochastic actuaries would not be able to model risk and insurance would be the same for
    everyone.



    You're setting those two terms as being contradictory.

    "Stochastic" doesn't imply that their isn't recognizable distribution of probabilities.
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  • From Tom Elam@thomas.e.elam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Aug 17 16:08:36 2025
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    On 8/11/2025 9:40 PM, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 19:33:40 -0400, -hh wrote :


    Facts are
    that there's many different ways to calculate insurance rates and what
    you're trying to insinuate has very little bearing.

    There is only one way to calculate true costs, and that's to add them up.

    Take a look at the thread I referenced where AppleCare pushes up the cost
    of the iPhone to the point that you pay double the original price.

    Unless you trade that iPhone in after four years of paying for AppleCare.

    Then you only paid 1-1/2 to 1-3/4 the price of the iPhone since you get
    about 1/2 the price back on the original price paid for the iPhone.

    It's why the most expensive phone to own is always going to be an iPhone.

    At $120/year it's 8 years before the premiums = cost. That assumes no
    claims. If the phone breaks and is not repairable you get a new phone.

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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Aug 19 11:21:10 2025
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    On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 16:08:36 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :


    It's why the most expensive phone to own is always going to be an iPhone.

    At $120/year it's 8 years before the premiums = cost. That assumes no claims. If the phone breaks and is not repairable you get a new phone.

    I welcome that Tom Elam has been transparent on AppleCare+ costs above.

    I would easily agree with his math that, if you have no claims after 8
    years, you've only doubled the price of the iPhone, which means you bought
    it twice for no actual benefit other than peace of mind over those 8 years.

    However, if you lose it or destroy it, you gain, as you would with most insurance where you make as many claims as you need to make to be whole.

    Bear in mind the main reason I ask these adult thought-provoking questions
    is to help other people to learn what Apple's true strategies are.

    IMHO...
    Apple's fundamental goal is to make you pay twice for every iPhone you buy.
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