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Apple Zealotry vs. Political Propaganda

1. Identity Over Logic
Apple fans often defend the brand not because of specs or price,
but because it's part of their identity.

Similarly, regimes like Iran or Russia cultivate national identity around resistance, pride, and defiance-even when the facts don't support it.

2. Us vs. Them Mentality
Apple vs. Android becomes tribal:
"We're the enlightened ones, they're the chaotic mess."

Iran vs. the West is framed the same way: "We're the righteous, they're the aggressors."

3. Narrative Immunity
Apple defenders will rationalize flaws: overpriced gear,
missing features, bugs-because the brand "must have a reason."

Authoritarian regimes do the same: economic hardship, sanctions, military setbacks-all spun as noble sacrifice or foreign sabotage.

4. Echo Chambers
Apple fans live in curated ecosystems-hardware, software,
media-all reinforcing the brand's superiority.

Regimes build similar bubbles: state media, censorship, and selective truth
to reinforce their worldview.

Q: Why do they do it?
A: Because humans crave meaning, belonging, and certainty.
Whether it's a tech brand or a national ideology,
the emotional payoff often outweighs the rational cost.
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On 2025-09-28 15:54, Marion wrote:

Apple Zealotry vs. Political Propaganda

1. Identity Over Logic
Apple fans often defend the brand not because of specs or price,
but because it's part of their identity.

I thought you "only state[d] facts".

Similarly, regimes like Iran or Russia cultivate national identity around resistance, pride, and defiance-even when the facts don't support it.

2. Us vs. Them Mentality
Apple vs. Android becomes tribal:
"We're the enlightened ones, they're the chaotic mess."

I thought you "only state[d] facts".

Iran vs. the West is framed the same way: "We're the righteous, they're the aggressors."

3. Narrative Immunity
Apple defenders will rationalize flaws: overpriced gear,
missing features, bugs-because the brand "must have a reason."

I thought you "only state[d] facts".

Authoritarian regimes do the same: economic hardship, sanctions, military setbacks-all spun as noble sacrifice or foreign sabotage.

4. Echo Chambers
Apple fans live in curated ecosystems-hardware, software,
media-all reinforcing the brand's superiority.

I thought you "only state[d] facts".

Regimes build similar bubbles: state media, censorship, and selective truth to reinforce their worldview.

Q: Why do they do it?
A: Because humans crave meaning, belonging, and certainty.
Whether it's a tech brand or a national ideology,
the emotional payoff often outweighs the rational cost.

Lacking any logical and/or factual rebuttal...


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On Sep 28, 2025 at 6:54:05rC>PM EDT, "Marion" <marionf@fact.com> wrote:

Apple Zealotry vs. Political Propaganda

Anti-Apple Zealotry vs. Political Propaganda

1. Identity Over Logic
Apple-hating trolls often defend THEIR brand not because of specs or price,
but because it's part of THEIR identity.

Similarly, regimes like Iran or Russia cultivate national identity around resistance, pride, and defiance-even when the facts don't support it.

2. Us vs. Them Mentality
Apple haters vs. normal people becomes tribal:
"We're the enlightened ones, they're the chaotic mess."

Iran vs. the West is framed the same way: "We're the righteous, they're the aggressors."

3. Narrative Immunity
Apple haters will criticize the tiniest flaws: perceived high prices,
"missing features", bugs-because to hate you "must have a reason."

Authoritarian regimes do the same: economic hardship, sanctions, military setbacks-all spun as noble sacrifice or foreign sabotage.

4. Echo Chambers
Apple haters live in a world all their own. Which reinforces THEIR brand's superiority in THEIR minds.

Regimes build similar bubbles: state media, censorship, and selective truth
to reinforce their worldview.

Q: Why do they do it?
A: Because Apple haters are jealous. Because they are children who can't
afford anything better than their "$27 Android phone".

Yawn.

ONLY an Apple hater could frame a thread like this. As if a phone has ANY relationship to international politics. Phones are SUCH a big deal to the typical Apple hater. And why is that? Because Apple haters are insecure children, craving attention.

Can we compare brands of refrigerators to politics? How about light bulbs? Beer? No. Why is that? Because children do not think about such adult products. But children DO have a phone. So - naturally - whatever phone they have MUST be "the best".

The fact is, rational adults don't give a damn what phone you use. Only irrational Apple haters have to drone on endlessly about the "inferiority of Apple".

Notice who starts 95% of the threads here? Yes, it is our resident
Apple-hating troll and his sock puppets. Notice also that Apple users (who
are adults) don't start threads about "how great Apple is and how fucked up everything else is". And why is that? Because Apple users are rational
adults.

Because - are you sitting down? IT IS JUST A PHONE. Phones/computers/etc.
are not the center of our lives. Why do the Apple-hating trolls have SO MUCH free time to endlessly post the same drivel here over and over?

Because AGAIN, they are jealous, insecure children craving attention. And their phone IS the center of their lives.
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On 9/28/2025 6:54 PM, Marion wrote:

Apple Zealotry vs. Political Propaganda

1. Identity Over Logic
Apple fans often defend the brand not because of specs or price,
but because it's part of their identity.

Similarly, regimes like Iran or Russia cultivate national identity around resistance, pride, and defiance-even when the facts don't support it.

2. Us vs. Them Mentality
Apple vs. Android becomes tribal:
"We're the enlightened ones, they're the chaotic mess."

Iran vs. the West is framed the same way: "We're the righteous, they're the aggressors."

3. Narrative Immunity
Apple defenders will rationalize flaws: overpriced gear,
missing features, bugs-because the brand "must have a reason."

Authoritarian regimes do the same: economic hardship, sanctions, military setbacks-all spun as noble sacrifice or foreign sabotage.

4. Echo Chambers
Apple fans live in curated ecosystems-hardware, software,
media-all reinforcing the brand's superiority.

Regimes build similar bubbles: state media, censorship, and selective truth to reinforce their worldview.

Q: Why do they do it?
A: Because humans crave meaning, belonging, and certainty.
Whether it's a tech brand or a national ideology,
the emotional payoff often outweighs the rational cost.

I defend iOS because of years of Android phone and tablet experience. I
defend Windows because both of my Mac experiences were very
unsatisfactory. And, the Mac version of my personal finance software is
total crap.
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Tom Elam wrote:

I defend iOS because of years of Android phone and tablet experience. I defend Windows because both of my Mac experiences were very
unsatisfactory. And, the Mac version of my personal finance software is total crap.

And yet, you know absolutely nothing about any of those operating systems.
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On 2025-10-02 18:19, Marion wrote:

Tom Elam wrote:

I defend iOS because of years of Android phone and tablet experience. I
defend Windows because both of my Mac experiences were very
unsatisfactory. And, the Mac version of my personal finance software is
total crap.

And yet, you know absolutely nothing about any of those operating systems.

And you think you DO?

LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

May I remind everyone of your utterly confident declarative statement
that you couldn't run an SMB server on the default ports for Windows
because you KNEW that iOS prevented apps from using "privileged" ports?
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On 10/2/2025 9:19 PM, Marion wrote:

Tom Elam wrote:

I defend iOS because of years of Android phone and tablet experience. I
defend Windows because both of my Mac experiences were very
unsatisfactory. And, the Mac version of my personal finance software is
total crap.

And yet, you know absolutely nothing about any of those operating systems.

Really? Neither do you. All those false claims about iOS and Android,
and you are an expert? Not.

Absolutely nothing? Really? I have used Windows and iOS for years and
have no knowledge of either? How is that possible?

I do not need to know how, at a deep level, an OS works to know what has worked for me. I have tried Android, iOS, Windows and Mac OS.




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Tom Elam wrote:

I defend iOS because of years of Android phone and tablet experience. I
defend Windows because both of my Mac experiences were very
unsatisfactory. And, the Mac version of my personal finance software is
total crap.

And yet, you know absolutely nothing about any of those operating systems.

Really? Neither do you.

Ah, but I do know a lot about iOS that none of you Apple trolls know, Tom.

I'm the one, for example, who taught you Apple trolls that Apple has never,
in its entire history, ever fully fixed any release other than the latest.

All those false claims about iOS and Android,
and you are an expert? Not.

Ah, but you Apple trolls claimed that there is something other than
privileged ports that an iPhone can do that an el-cheapo Android can't.

And yet, after something like 300 posts, none of you Apple trolls can find
any functionality on iOS that isn't already (usually long ago) on Android.

Who taught you that, Tom?
Me.

So I'm pretty good at knowing at the time I posted the thread, that none of
you Apple trolls knew that there is a lack of functionality in iOS devices.

Absolutely nothing? Really? I have used Windows and iOS for years and
have no knowledge of either? How is that possible?

You had no idea that the iPhone forces you to log into the Cupertino
mainframes just for the dumb-terminal iOS device to begin to start working.

I do not need to know how, at a deep level, an OS works to know what has worked for me. I have tried Android, iOS, Windows and Mac OS.

If you haven't tried the recent Android releases, Tom, you know nothing.

To be fair to you Apple trolls, since none of you Apple trolls ever reads
the news, iOS used to be ahead of Android - but that was years ago Tom.

An example is that billions of old Android 10 and up phones are updated
every month over the Internet - which is something that I taught you.

You religious zealots are mired in the past when Apple was better.
I'm teaching you that Apple support is currently the worst in the industry.

Since you're a religious zealot, facts have no effect on your beliefs.
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On 10/7/2025 1:00 PM, Marion wrote:

Tom Elam wrote:

I defend iOS because of years of Android phone and tablet experience. I >>>> defend Windows because both of my Mac experiences were very
unsatisfactory. And, the Mac version of my personal finance software is >>>> total crap.

And yet, you know absolutely nothing about any of those operating systems. >>

Really? Neither do you.

Ah, but I do know a lot about iOS that none of you Apple trolls know, Tom.

I'm the one, for example, who taught you Apple trolls that Apple has never, in its entire history, ever fully fixed any release other than the latest.

All those false claims about iOS and Android,
and you are an expert? Not.

Ah, but you Apple trolls claimed that there is something other than privileged ports that an iPhone can do that an el-cheapo Android can't.

And yet, after something like 300 posts, none of you Apple trolls can find any functionality on iOS that isn't already (usually long ago) on Android.

Who taught you that, Tom?
Me.

So I'm pretty good at knowing at the time I posted the thread, that none of you Apple trolls knew that there is a lack of functionality in iOS devices.

Absolutely nothing? Really? I have used Windows and iOS for years and
have no knowledge of either? How is that possible?

You had no idea that the iPhone forces you to log into the Cupertino mainframes just for the dumb-terminal iOS device to begin to start working.

I do not need to know how, at a deep level, an OS works to know what has
worked for me. I have tried Android, iOS, Windows and Mac OS.

If you haven't tried the recent Android releases, Tom, you know nothing.

To be fair to you Apple trolls, since none of you Apple trolls ever reads
the news, iOS used to be ahead of Android - but that was years ago Tom.

An example is that billions of old Android 10 and up phones are updated
every month over the Internet - which is something that I taught you.

You religious zealots are mired in the past when Apple was better.
I'm teaching you that Apple support is currently the worst in the industry.

Since you're a religious zealot, facts have no effect on your beliefs.

No OS, even iOS, is ever fully fixed. That is why we get updates.

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Tom Elam wrote:

No OS, even iOS, is ever fully fixed. That is why we get updates.

Agreed, but given Apple's full support is the worst in the industry, but
you religious zealots believe marketing propaganda over all known facts.

Which is the point.
You Apple nutcase religious zealots don't even *know* the facts.

For example, the fact remains that Apple recently promised, in writing,
full hotfix support for the current iPhones of only a puny 5 years, while
both Google and Samsung (whose Galaxy S-series is a direct competitor to
the iPhone) has a whopping 140% of the full hotfix support.

Add the fact that every Android 10 and up phone is updated monthly on the
core modules forever, and it's another case where Apple's support is the
worst in the industry, even for the older phones as we move forward.

Isn't Authoritarian Political Propaganda similar to Apple Religious
Zealotry when you nutcases think you have the best full release support...

And yet...

You have the worst.
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Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:

Tom Elam wrote:

No OS, even iOS, is ever fully fixed. That is why we get updates.

Agreed, but given Apple's full support is the worst in the industry, but
you religious zealots believe marketing propaganda over all known facts.

Which is the point.
You Apple nutcase religious zealots don't even *know* the facts.

For example, the fact remains that Apple recently promised, in writing,
full hotfix support for the current iPhones of only a puny 5 years, while both Google and Samsung (whose Galaxy S-series is a direct competitor to
the iPhone) has a whopping 140% of the full hotfix support.

Correction: some Samsung phones and Google Pixel models *will* have 7 years
of suppose. Whereas as of *today* Apple is still fully supporting all
models launched in 2019. That's six years.

The Samsung Galaxy S models from 2019 (i.e. S10), however, lost support 2.5 years ago!

Add the fact that every Android 10 and up phone is updated monthly on the core modules forever

Correction: *some* core modules. Leaving the rest of the OS wide open.

, and it's another case where Apple's support is the
worst in the industry, even for the older phones as we move forward.

A demonstrable lie.




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On Oct 16, 2025 at 12:25:01rC>AM EDT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:

Tom Elam wrote:

No OS, even iOS, is ever fully fixed. That is why we get updates.

Agreed, but given Apple's full support is the worst in the industry, but
you religious zealots believe marketing propaganda over all known facts.

Which is the point.
You Apple nutcase religious zealots don't even *know* the facts.

For example, the fact remains that Apple recently promised, in writing,
full hotfix support for the current iPhones of only a puny 5 years, while
both Google and Samsung (whose Galaxy S-series is a direct competitor to
the iPhone) has a whopping 140% of the full hotfix support.

Correction: some Samsung phones and Google Pixel models *will* have 7 years of suppose. Whereas as of *today* Apple is still fully supporting all
models launched in 2019. That's six years.

The Samsung Galaxy S models from 2019 (i.e. S10), however, lost support 2.5 years ago!

Add the fact that every Android 10 and up phone is updated monthly on the
core modules forever

Correction: *some* core modules. Leaving the rest of the OS wide open.

, and it's another case where Apple's support is the
worst in the industry, even for the older phones as we move forward.

A demonstrable lie.

Well of course. If Arlen said it, rest assured it is a lie.
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On 10/16/2025 4:25 AM, Chris wrote:

For example, the fact remains that Apple recently promised, in writing,
full hotfix support for the current iPhones of only a puny 5 years, while
both Google and Samsung (whose Galaxy S-series is a direct competitor to
the iPhone) has a whopping 140% of the full hotfix support.

Correction: some Samsung phones and Google Pixel models *will* have 7 years of suppose. Whereas as of *today* Apple is still fully supporting all
models launched in 2019. That's six years.

I agree with anyone who makes a logically sensible statement, Chris.
But it's not a "correction" when what I said is completely correct.

Your statement is just a backward temporal tack on the full-hotfix
situation, where I was looking forward and you are looking backward.

To your point of view, looking into the past, clearly Windows full hotfix support is by all accounts the best, and Android support used to be the
worst, but Android support (for the flagships anyway) has gotten better.

However, you are correct in looking backward into the past that Apple's
full hotfix support, while always only for the one and only latest
operating system, "used to be" better (well, at least longer) than Android.

But I'm talking about today. Not yesterday. Moving forward, iOS' written full-hotfix support sucks in comparison to its competitive flagships.

The Samsung Galaxy S models from 2019 (i.e. S10), however, lost support 2.5 years ago!

I think you meant "full" hotfix support, where even my 2021 $~200 MSRP
Galaxy A-series phone no longer has "full" hotfix support; but let's be
clear that all Android 10 and up devices have unending core hotfix support.

By way of stark contrast, when an iPhone can no longer load the latest
release, you may as well throw it over the next bridge, it's that toxic.

Add the fact that every Android 10 and up phone is updated monthly on the
core modules forever

Correction: *some* core modules. Leaving the rest of the OS wide open.

I agree with anyone who makes a logically sensible statement, Chris.
No matter what they've said in the past, so I fully agree with you.

The number of core modules started at, oh, I don't remember, but it grows
every year. To be fact based, I just looked it up, which is a lot now.
Android 10 (2019): 12 modules
Android 11 (2020): ~25 modules
Android 12 (2021): ~30 modules
Android 13 (2022): ~35 modules
Android 14 (2023): ~37 modules
Android 15 (2024): ~40 modules
Android 16 (2025): 40+ modules

Just like Apple was decades (plural!) behind in the concept of a hotfix, Apple's core module fixes don't exist so it's a decade behind Android.

That's a big deal, even as you tout that every once in a while Apple
randomly fixes a bug in an older release, just as all OS vendors do.

, and it's another case where Apple's support is the
worst in the industry, even for the older phones as we move forward.

A demonstrable lie.

If I said I like the color red, you'd call that a lie if you liked blue.
You need to understand the difference between a fact & an assessment.

An assessment can't be a lie in so much as it's just an opinion.
Based on the available factual data, I assess iOS support as the worst.

You are welcome to assess it differently, but it's hard to claim it's
better when Android full support is 140% longer in competitive flagships.

And if you're going to claim that every once in a while, Apple randomly
fixes a bug in older releases, you need to compare that to the fact that Android 10 and up is updated monthly for what is now over 40 core modules.

Those are facts upon which I base my assessments, Chris.
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On Oct 16, 2025 at 6:19:06rC>PM EDT, "CDB" <bellemarecd@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/16/2025 4:25 AM, Chris wrote:

For example, the fact remains that Apple recently promised, in writing,
full hotfix support for the current iPhones of only a puny 5 years, while >>> both Google and Samsung (whose Galaxy S-series is a direct competitor to >>> the iPhone) has a whopping 140% of the full hotfix support.

Correction: some Samsung phones and Google Pixel models *will* have 7 years >> of suppose. Whereas as of *today* Apple is still fully supporting all
models launched in 2019. That's six years.

I agree with anyone who makes a logically sensible statement, Chris.
But it's not a "correction" when what I said is completely correct.

Oh look. Arlen changes names again.

Different name, same lies. Same as it ever was.
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