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On 2025-09-04 09:42, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-04 12:16 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 07:35, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-03 10:17 p.m., Alan wrote:Do you indeed?
On 2025-09-03 18:00, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/3/2025 7:23 PM, Alan wrote:
Way to utterly miss the point.You're free to be a cheapskate all you want, don't judge me >>>>>>>>>>>> for doing the right thing, sheesh.
The irony of someone who complains about the cost of Apple's >>>>>>>>>>> devices calling someone else a "cheapskate"...
If overpaying for hardware to get great software support is a >>>>>>>>>> plus for Apple, good for them.-a I prefer to think of Windows >>>>>>>>>> and Linux as being intended to reach a range of hardware, I >>>>>>>>>> can switch to Linux any time, but Microsoft is giving me a >>>>>>>>>> real choice that makes me want to indefinitely wait on that. >>>>>>>>>
I admitted that Mac enthusiasts have reason to get what they
wish to get.
The point is that you don't like the Mac because it costs too
much (in your opinion)...
...but decry someone as a "cheapskate" for not wanting to spend >>>>>>> ten times as much for a Windows license as he needs to.
To get it the right way, what I paid is Microsoft's price
including support I would never use, one can also get a System
Builder license for a bit less.
And the story suddenly changes!
What support do you get when you buy a Windows 11 license?
I bet you can't quote it.
When you buy the boxed product, you indeed get technical support if
anything goes wrong. I imagine that support is not available to
people who buy OEM licenses.
Where is that guaranteed?
Here's the Microsoft page:
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows>
You know what I don't see there?
Any way to contact a PERSON or even an AI.
Nor do I see any restriction on who can USE the resources that are
provided.
That's because you're willfully blind. Let's see what a routine search
on the web says about the matter:
"Yes, buying a Microsoft Windows license typically comes with
technical support.
Microsoft provides support for downloading, installing, and activating
Windows, as well as assistance with account-related questions.
How do they provide it?
1
When purchasing directly from Microsoft or authorized retailers, you
can expect access to customer support and help with any issues that
arise.
Sounds like they're palming off the support, doesn't it?
1
It's important to ensure that you are purchasing a legitimate license
to avoid any legal or support issues.
1
Sorry, but where does it say you won't get that support with an OEM
license?
Where does it say you actually GET that support?
And if it is from a website, how is it restricted to only licenses
purchased at retail prices?
For more detailed information, you can refer to the official MicrosoftI'm not "infected".
Support page."
It's funny. Back in the mid-2000s, I was primarily buying Apple
products. Somehow, I avoided becoming a zealot and could happily admit
that browsers on MacOS were a weak spot and that Windows XP machines
ran a lot faster. How did you get infected?
I'm pointing out that paying $200 for something you can legally purchase
for $20 is ridiculous.
On 9/3/25 17:33, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-03 12:20 p.m., -hh wrote:
< snip >
As far as I know, the Mac Studio is nowhere near as affordable as
typical machine with PCIe 5.0.
< snip >
Care to provide an example of one of these "typical" PCIe 5 PCs?
MSI's offerings as of 2023: <https://www.techspot.com/news/97168-msi-
new-laptops-among-first-feature-pcie-5.html>
"The models featuring PCIe 5 are likely to be expensive. Tom's Hardware reports that the flagships will break the $5,000 mark, but the lower-end Pulse, Katana, and Cyborg systems will be more affordable."
There should be updates on those price estimates by now; for basic reference, the M4 Max Studio starts at $2K, although there's also other
Macs and other M4's, such as the mini with an M4 for $600, or an M4 Pro
for $1400, as well as thread-relevant updated M4 Macbook Air for $1K.
Plus a pretty loaded base M4 Max MacBook Pro for $3200 (14/32 cores with 36GB RAM/1TB SSD).
I do believe that you are correct here, which would probably explain
why most of the machines I looked at had PCIe 4.0 written as the type
of NVMe.
It was an unexpected & interesting find on my part, although it does
make sense:-a the customer demand pull is gaming, so that's where the
focus is.-a In the meantime, NVMe on PCIe-4 4x meets current "working purposes" capability needs, as illustrated by how my older system
benches fine for editing 8K video, and 12K only effectively exists in
the 'even more professional' realm, which means that NVMe only needs to
be one step ahead of the capability need instead of two steps ahead.
For what lies ahead, my guess is that the next step is more probably to
go to "PCIe-5.1" so as to expand out to more PCIe-5 lanes instead of
going to a PCIe-6 to double speeds without as much lane expansion.
Either way, time will tell.
On 9/3/2025 10:17 PM, Alan wrote:
The point is that you don't like the Mac because it costs too much
(in your opinion)...
...but decry someone as a "cheapskate" for not wanting to spend ten
times as much for a Windows license as he needs to.
To get it the right way, what I paid is Microsoft's price including
support I would never use, one can also get a System Builder license
for a bit less.
And the story suddenly changes!
NO, Alan, YOU have changed, to be one of unethical cheapskates.
What support do you get when you buy a Windows 11 license?
I bet you can't quote it.
You ever hear of calling for help on the phone?-a Heh.
On 2025-09-04 9:55 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/3/2025 10:17 PM, Alan wrote:
The point is that you don't like the Mac because it costs too much
(in your opinion)...
...but decry someone as a "cheapskate" for not wanting to spend ten >>>>> times as much for a Windows license as he needs to.
To get it the right way, what I paid is Microsoft's price including
support I would never use, one can also get a System Builder license
for a bit less.
And the story suddenly changes!
NO, Alan, YOU have changed, to be one of unethical cheapskates.
I can't help but notice that his behaviour is very Snit Michael Glasser Prescott Parasite and Computer Guy-like. I wonder if it is common of Mac users to ask questions and then change the parameters of that question
when you answer it.
I'm asking what you are actually guaranteed for the extra $180.What support do you get when you buy a Windows 11 license?
I bet you can't quote it.
You ever hear of calling for help on the phone?-a Heh.
I have to agree that he is being purposefully dishonest in his
interaction. I imagine that because Apple does a lot of hand-holding
both for the installation and any kind of technical support, he can't
fathom things being done even slightly differently.
On 2025-09-04 9:15 a.m., -hh wrote:
On 9/3/25 17:33, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-03 12:20 p.m., -hh wrote:
< snip >
As far as I know, the Mac Studio is nowhere near as affordable as
typical machine with PCIe 5.0.
< snip >
Care to provide an example of one of these "typical" PCIe 5 PCs?
MSI's offerings as of 2023: <https://www.techspot.com/news/97168-msi-
new-laptops-among-first-feature-pcie-5.html>
"The models featuring PCIe 5 are likely to be expensive. Tom's
Hardware reports that the flagships will break the $5,000 mark, but
the lower-end Pulse, Katana, and Cyborg systems will be more affordable."
There should be updates on those price estimates by now; for basic
reference, the M4 Max Studio starts at $2K, although there's also
other Macs and other M4's, such as the mini with an M4 for $600, or an
M4 Pro for $1400, as well as thread-relevant updated M4 Macbook Air
for $1K. Plus a pretty loaded base M4 Max MacBook Pro for $3200 (14/32
cores with 36GB RAM/1TB SSD).
Good catch. While they are available, only the most dedicated gamers
will see a point to spending that much. I'm more of a casual gamer and always have been, and I'm quite good with the RTX 3060 mobile from 2021
too. Heck, I just learned that an RTx 5060 mobile is only 43% faster
than what I have, and my PCIe 3.0 x4 is always way faster than I would
need to play a game.
...
I think that computers have been, for a while now, at a point where
they're still getting faster, but there is no point to upgrading unless
they break.
I'm sure that even the 2010 laptop I replaced in 2015 wouldProbably, although keeping up-to-date on software & OS is a factor too;
have done a decent job of completing most of my work today given a
chance.
I wouldn't be editing 4k video, but I don't even do that now.I knew that 4K video was in my roadmap when I bought this 2022 desktop.
The point is that you don't like the Mac because it costs too much
(in your opinion)...
...but decry someone as a "cheapskate" for not wanting to spend ten >>>>> times as much for a Windows license as he needs to.
To get it the right way, what I paid is Microsoft's price including
support I would never use, one can also get a System Builder license
for a bit less.
And the story suddenly changes!
NO, Alan, YOU have changed, to be one of unethical cheapskates.
Not at all.
How is it "unethical" to purchase something legally for the lowest
available price.
What support do you get when you buy a Windows 11 license?
I bet you can't quote it.
You ever hear of calling for help on the phone?-a Heh.
I've heard of it of course.
What I'm asking for is what provision of the Windows 11 retail license purchase gets you support?
Can you quote it?
On 9/4/2025 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
The point is that you don't like the Mac because it costs too much >>>>>> (in your opinion)...
...but decry someone as a "cheapskate" for not wanting to spend
ten times as much for a Windows license as he needs to.
To get it the right way, what I paid is Microsoft's price including >>>>> support I would never use, one can also get a System Builder
license for a bit less.
And the story suddenly changes!
NO, Alan, YOU have changed, to be one of unethical cheapskates.
Not at all.
How is it "unethical" to purchase something legally for the lowest
available price.
If you cared about the businesses you patronize, you'd want them to be compensated for their work.
They tolerate this reselling of licenses
for a reason, and I don't care if someone takes advantage of it, but at
the end of the day it can come off like just because Microsoft is what
they are they deserve to basically support all these PCs for free.-a What they got for my license isn't large, it was part of a group of licenses
the business never got around to using and sold to the maker of my
device.-a Given that I've always supported Microsoft financially, I don't feel all that bad about it, and they clearly would allow me to do it.
But somewhere along the line, someone violated an agreement, it's fairly intuitive to think.
What support do you get when you buy a Windows 11 license?
I bet you can't quote it.
You ever hear of calling for help on the phone?-a Heh.
I've heard of it of course.
What I'm asking for is what provision of the Windows 11 retail license
purchase gets you support?
Can you quote it?
They give you a phone number to call for assistance.Do they?
On 2025-09-04 16:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/4/2025 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
The point is that you don't like the Mac because it costs too
much (in your opinion)...
...but decry someone as a "cheapskate" for not wanting to spend >>>>>>> ten times as much for a Windows license as he needs to.
To get it the right way, what I paid is Microsoft's price
including support I would never use, one can also get a System
Builder license for a bit less.
And the story suddenly changes!
NO, Alan, YOU have changed, to be one of unethical cheapskates.
Not at all.
How is it "unethical" to purchase something legally for the lowest
available price.
If you cared about the businesses you patronize, you'd want them to be
compensated for their work.
You're getting more and more ridiculous, dude.
They give you a phone number to call for assistance.Do they?
For assistance forever and for all purposes?
How is it "unethical" to purchase something legally for the lowest
available price.
If you cared about the businesses you patronize, you'd want them to be
compensated for their work.
You're getting more and more ridiculous, dude.
They tolerate this reselling of licenses for a reason, and I don't
care if someone takes advantage of it, but at the end of the day it
can come off like just because Microsoft is what they are they deserve
to basically support all these PCs for free.-a What they got for my
license isn't large, it was part of a group of licenses the business
never got around to using and sold to the maker of my device.-a Given
that I've always supported Microsoft financially, I don't feel all
that bad about it, and they clearly would allow me to do it. But
somewhere along the line, someone violated an agreement, it's fairly
intuitive to think.
So you think it's intuitive...
...and that just makes it true?
What I'm asking for is what provision of the Windows 11 retail
license purchase gets you support?
Can you quote it?
They give you a phone number to call for assistance.
Do they?
For assistance forever and for all purposes?
On 2025-09-04 7:45 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 16:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/4/2025 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
The point is that you don't like the Mac because it costs too >>>>>>>> much (in your opinion)...
...but decry someone as a "cheapskate" for not wanting to spend >>>>>>>> ten times as much for a Windows license as he needs to.
To get it the right way, what I paid is Microsoft's price
including support I would never use, one can also get a System
Builder license for a bit less.
And the story suddenly changes!
NO, Alan, YOU have changed, to be one of unethical cheapskates.
Not at all.
How is it "unethical" to purchase something legally for the lowest
available price.
If you cared about the businesses you patronize, you'd want them to
be compensated for their work.
You're getting more and more ridiculous, dude.
How is the desire to see a developer get compensation for his product ridiculous?
< snip >Free forever? Or for installation problems?
They give you a phone number to call for assistance.Do they?
For assistance forever and for all purposes?
Free technical help for all issues related to their own software. If a third-party doesn't run, they won't help you unless, obviously, it can
be proven that their software is the cause of the problem.
On 2025-09-04 16:57, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-04 7:45 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 16:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/4/2025 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
The point is that you don't like the Mac because it costs too >>>>>>>>> much (in your opinion)...
...but decry someone as a "cheapskate" for not wanting to spend >>>>>>>>> ten times as much for a Windows license as he needs to.
To get it the right way, what I paid is Microsoft's price
including support I would never use, one can also get a System >>>>>>>> Builder license for a bit less.
And the story suddenly changes!
NO, Alan, YOU have changed, to be one of unethical cheapskates.
Not at all.
How is it "unethical" to purchase something legally for the lowest
available price.
If you cared about the businesses you patronize, you'd want them to
be compensated for their work.
You're getting more and more ridiculous, dude.
How is the desire to see a developer get compensation for his product
ridiculous?
I'm not supposed to care about whether a developer gets compensated.
I make rational decisions for my best interest and assume they do the same.
< snip >Free forever? Or for installation problems?
They give you a phone number to call for assistance.Do they?
For assistance forever and for all purposes?
Free technical help for all issues related to their own software. If a
third-party doesn't run, they won't help you unless, obviously, it can
be proven that their software is the cause of the problem.
On 2025-09-04 8:13 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 16:57, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-04 7:45 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 16:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
If you cared about the businesses you patronize, you'd want them to >>>>> be compensated for their work.
You're getting more and more ridiculous, dude.
How is the desire to see a developer get compensation for his product
ridiculous?
I'm not supposed to care about whether a developer gets compensated.
I make rational decisions for my best interest and assume they do the
same.
What are you looking for? Applause?
< snip >Free forever? Or for installation problems?
They give you a phone number to call for assistance.Do they?
For assistance forever and for all purposes?
Free technical help for all issues related to their own software. If
a third-party doesn't run, they won't help you unless, obviously, it
can be proven that their software is the cause of the problem.
I didn't realize that as an Apple user, you were incapable of looking
this up online. Here is your answer: "built-in virtual support, free
online and community resources, in-person free help at select centers."
I imagine that the next question is: "which centers?" or "which
resources?" or "what does free mean?" Grab yourself a dictionary and ask
a responsible grown-up to help you.
On 2025-09-04 8:13 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 16:57, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-04 7:45 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 16:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/4/2025 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
The point is that you don't like the Mac because it costs too >>>>>>>>>> much (in your opinion)...To get it the right way, what I paid is Microsoft's price
...but decry someone as a "cheapskate" for not wanting to >>>>>>>>>> spend ten times as much for a Windows license as he needs to. >>>>>>>>>
including support I would never use, one can also get a System >>>>>>>>> Builder license for a bit less.
And the story suddenly changes!
NO, Alan, YOU have changed, to be one of unethical cheapskates.
Not at all.
How is it "unethical" to purchase something legally for the lowest >>>>>> available price.
If you cared about the businesses you patronize, you'd want them to >>>>> be compensated for their work.
You're getting more and more ridiculous, dude.
How is the desire to see a developer get compensation for his product
ridiculous?
I'm not supposed to care about whether a developer gets compensated.
I make rational decisions for my best interest and assume they do the
same.
What are you looking for? Applause?
< snip >Free forever? Or for installation problems?
They give you a phone number to call for assistance.Do they?
For assistance forever and for all purposes?
Free technical help for all issues related to their own software. If
a third-party doesn't run, they won't help you unless, obviously, it
can be proven that their software is the cause of the problem.
I didn't realize that as an Apple user, you were incapable of looking
this up online. Here is your answer: "built-in virtual support, free
online and community resources, in-person free help at select centers."
I imagine that the next question is: "which centers?" or "which
resources?" or "what does free mean?" Grab yourself a dictionary and ask
a responsible grown-up to help you.
On 9/4/2025 9:30 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-04 8:13 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 16:57, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-04 7:45 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 16:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
If you cared about the businesses you patronize, you'd want them
to be compensated for their work.
You're getting more and more ridiculous, dude.
How is the desire to see a developer get compensation for his
product ridiculous?
I'm not supposed to care about whether a developer gets compensated.
I make rational decisions for my best interest and assume they do the
same.
What are you looking for? Applause?
It surprises me to see Alan talking like the hypocrites I see mocking
paying the normal price.-a The same people who pretend to be ethical just doing the self-serving thing and bragging about it.
< snip >Free forever? Or for installation problems?
They give you a phone number to call for assistance.Do they?
For assistance forever and for all purposes?
Free technical help for all issues related to their own software. If
a third-party doesn't run, they won't help you unless, obviously, it
can be proven that their software is the cause of the problem.
I didn't realize that as an Apple user, you were incapable of looking
this up online. Here is your answer: "built-in virtual support, free
online and community resources, in-person free help at select centers."
I imagine that the next question is: "which centers?" or "which
resources?" or "what does free mean?" Grab yourself a dictionary and
ask a responsible grown-up to help you.
Many people don't need direct support.-a But Microsoft delivers on making their product accessible.-a Paying retail price for a product key says--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
that you either want that service or you just want the convenience, I
had media for Win10 at the time, getting a DVD-ROM was useless,
wasteful, even if cheaper for the System Builder license.
It surprises me to see Alan talking like the hypocrites I see mocking
paying the normal price.-a The same people who pretend to be ethical
just doing the self-serving thing and bragging about it.
So is it ethics...
...or the support you claim you get by purchase it for ten times the cost?
On 2025-09-04 18:53, Joel W. Crump wrote:
Many people don't need direct support.-a But Microsoft delivers on
making their product accessible.-a Paying retail price for a product
key says that you either want that service or you just want the
convenience, I had media for Win10 at the time, getting a DVD-ROM was
useless, wasteful, even if cheaper for the System Builder license.
On 9/4/2025 10:12 PM, Alan wrote:
It surprises me to see Alan talking like the hypocrites I see mocking
paying the normal price.-a The same people who pretend to be ethical
just doing the self-serving thing and bragging about it.
So is it ethics...
...or the support you claim you get by purchase it for ten times the
cost?
You're making sheer cost the only relevant factor.-a It isn't.
It surprises me to see Alan talking like the hypocrites I see
mocking paying the normal price.-a The same people who pretend to be
ethical just doing the self-serving thing and bragging about it.
So is it ethics...
...or the support you claim you get by purchase it for ten times the
cost?
You're making sheer cost the only relevant factor.-a It isn't.
You're the one who called people "cheapskates" for saving some money...
...and then implied they were unethical for getting a bargain.
In the meantime, NVMe on PCIe-4 4x meets current "working
purposes" capability needs,
as illustrated by how my older system
benches fine for editing 8K video, and 12K only effectively exists in
the 'even more professional' realm, which means that NVMe only needs to
be one step ahead of the capability need instead of two steps ahead.
Debunking 7 longstanding Linux myths that scare people off from
abandoning Windows <https://www.zdnet.com/article/ready-to-ditch-windows-10-i-debunked-7-linux-myths-so-you-can-switch-with-confidence/>,
ending with
Modern Linux is far more beautiful than either MacOS or Windows.
What are you looking for? Applause?
Did it seem I was?
I was merely correcting your outlandish idea that I should look out for
the welfare of software developers before my own.
I didn't realize that as an Apple user, you were incapable of looking
this up online. Here is your answer: "built-in virtual support, free
online and community resources, in-person free help at select centers."
I imagine that the next question is: "which centers?" or "which
resources?" or "what does free mean?" Grab yourself a dictionary and
ask a responsible grown-up to help you.
And where is that support limited to only retail purchases?
Certainly the ""built-in virtual support, free online and community resources" aren't.
And the only "in-person free help at select centers" I can find appears
to be for Microsoft Surface devices.
And it's odd that a phrase you put in quotes can't be Googled AS that
exact phrase:
'No results found for "built-in virtual support, free online and
community resources, in-person free help at select centers.".'
<https://www.google.com/search?q=%22built- in+virtual+support%2C+free+online+and+community+resources%2C+in- person+free+help+at+select+centers. %22&client=safari&sca_esv=310e4980e99ea993&source=hp&ei=sUa6aP- iBMuP0PEP4_21gQ0&iflsig=AOw8s4IAAAAAaLpUwd7SUTKyRYyLQ81Ya8wIdSGDKIWX&ved=0ahUKEwi_v63JxcCPAxXLBzQIHeN-LdAQ4dUDCBo&uact=5&oq=%22built-in+virtual+support%2C+free+online+and+community+resources%2C+in-person+free+help+at+select+centers.%22&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6ImciYnVpbHQtaW4gdmlydHVhbCBzdXBwb3J0LCBmcmVlIG9ubGluZSBhbmQgY29tbXVuaXR5IHJlc291cmNlcywgaW4tcGVyc29uIGZyZWUgaGVscCBhdCBzZWxlY3QgY2VudGVycy4iSABQAFgAcAB4AJABAJgBAKABAKoBALgBA8gBAPgBAvgBAZgCAKACAJgDAJIHAKAHALIHALgHAMIHAMgHAA&sclient=gws-wiz>
Weird, huh?
So how is it you were able to find it?
On 2025-08-24 13:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 8/24/2025 2:23 PM, Alan wrote:
the typical home user is better off with something else [than a
Mac], because of the ridiculous expense of the Apple platform, even
if they like macOS, it's just throwing money down the toilet.-a Maybe >>>> they have money to burn, I could understand that, but it would never
click with me even if I did have a billion dollars, because my brain
doesn't work that way to prefer Apple's quirkware.
"Ridiculous expense"? Please.
Yes: my MacBook Air (M3) cost me $2,200CAD, but based on my
experience, this is a computer I can easily use for the next 5 years.
That's $37 a month.
Even if a decent laptop with Linux cost me a third of that (and I
very much doubt you can find one as good for that number), the
difference is about $25/month.
That's hardly a huge barrier to entry.
The point is, for that price, you could've gotten more hardware with
another platform.-a It's like buying a Hyundai over a Honda, is it
literally as good, maybe not in someone's OCD mind, but it's clearly a
better value financially.
And had a far worse overall experience.
I know how to use macOS, Windows (every version), Linux...
...and I know what works well.
I also know that of the hundreds of people I've seen transition to using Macs, only two (yes: literally just 2) have ever expressed any desire to return to Windows and one of those was a man in his 70s who was just too
set in his ways to change at that age.
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 04:52:22 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer. It's too expensive.
And lacking in expandability and versatility. All ApplerCOs machines are basically just glorified laptops now.
And the OS may have licensed the rCLUnixrCY trademark, but it doesnrCOt work the
way people expect traditional rCLUnixrCY systems to work.
Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken rCLMr UnixrCY Thompson: he has given up on Apple and switched to Linux.
Interesting. Will Linux run MS Office? Quicken? MS Teams? Current
Acrobat version? Spektrum Programmer (RC model airplane firmware)? Go
Pro software? ForeFlight (or a substitute)?
Give examples for each of the given examples. What would you use to replace:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 13:17:32 -0700, Alan wrote:
Give examples for each of the given examples. What would you use to replace:
Sorry. I have no inclination to accommodate an ignoramus troll.
But I'll give you a slight hint.
GNU/Linux users will carefully craft their workflow to lie within
the bounds of available FOSS software.
This kind of digital expertise is well beyond the pointy-clicky
mentality of the average (and above average) Microshit/Apphole
user.
???
On 2025-09-04 7:45 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 16:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/4/2025 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
And the story suddenly changes!
NO, Alan, YOU have changed, to be one of unethical cheapskates.
Not at all.
How is it "unethical" to purchase something legally for the lowest
available price.
If you cared about the businesses you patronize, you'd want them to be
compensated for their work.
You're getting more and more ridiculous, dude.
How is the desire to see a developer get compensation for his product >ridiculous?
CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-04 7:45 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 16:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/4/2025 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
And the story suddenly changes!
NO, Alan, YOU have changed, to be one of unethical cheapskates.
Not at all.
How is it "unethical" to purchase something legally for the lowest
available price.
If you cared about the businesses you patronize, you'd want them to be >>>> compensated for their work.
You're getting more and more ridiculous, dude.
How is the desire to see a developer get compensation for his product
ridiculous?
There is no moral obligation to pay anything more than what the
product is legally available for.
On 9/5/2025 5:41 PM, chrisv wrote:
CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-04 7:45 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 16:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/4/2025 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
And the story suddenly changes!
NO, Alan, YOU have changed, to be one of unethical cheapskates.
Not at all.
How is it "unethical" to purchase something legally for the lowest >>>>>> available price.
If you cared about the businesses you patronize, you'd want them to be >>>>> compensated for their work.
You're getting more and more ridiculous, dude.
How is the desire to see a developer get compensation for his product
ridiculous?
There is no moral obligation to pay anything more than what the
product is legally available for.
You can be sold an MAK license that could get all its activations used
up, that can't happen if you buy a key that is individually yours.-a The digital license will work with the first device but won't transfer to another.
On 8/24/2025 5:32 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 04:52:22 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer.-a It's too expensive.
And lacking in expandability and versatility. All ApplerCOs machines are
basically just glorified laptops now.
And the OS may have licensed the rCLUnixrCY trademark, but it doesnrCOt work
the
way people expect traditional rCLUnixrCY systems to work.
Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken rCLMr UnixrCY Thompson: he has >> given up on Apple and switched to Linux.
Interesting. Will Linux run MS Office?
Quicken?
MS Teams?
Current
Acrobat version?
Spektrum Programmer (RC model airplane firmware)?
Go
Pro software?
ForeFlight (or a substitute)?
I use all these on a frequent basis. All are readily available on
Windows and/or iOS/Mac OS.
On 2025-09-05 14:50, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/5/2025 5:41 PM, chrisv wrote:
CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-04 7:45 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 16:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/4/2025 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
Not at all.And the story suddenly changes!
NO, Alan, YOU have changed, to be one of unethical cheapskates. >>>>>>>
How is it "unethical" to purchase something legally for the lowest >>>>>>> available price.
If you cared about the businesses you patronize, you'd want them
to be
compensated for their work.
You're getting more and more ridiculous, dude.
How is the desire to see a developer get compensation for his product
ridiculous?
There is no moral obligation to pay anything more than what the
product is legally available for.
You can be sold an MAK license that could get all its activations used
up, that can't happen if you buy a key that is individually yours.
The digital license will work with the first device but won't transfer
to another.
You keep making excuses...
On 9/5/2025 5:57 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-05 14:50, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/5/2025 5:41 PM, chrisv wrote:
CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-04 7:45 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-04 16:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/4/2025 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
Not at all.And the story suddenly changes!
NO, Alan, YOU have changed, to be one of unethical cheapskates. >>>>>>>>
How is it "unethical" to purchase something legally for the lowest >>>>>>>> available price.
If you cared about the businesses you patronize, you'd want them >>>>>>> to be
compensated for their work.
You're getting more and more ridiculous, dude.
How is the desire to see a developer get compensation for his product >>>>> ridiculous?
There is no moral obligation to pay anything more than what the
product is legally available for.
You can be sold an MAK license that could get all its activations
used up, that can't happen if you buy a key that is individually
yours. The digital license will work with the first device but won't
transfer to another.
You keep making excuses...
That's a funny thing for you to say when you're excusing circumventing
the license agreements and assailing doing the right thing.-a I like
doing things the honest way.-a $146 isn't outrageous for the basic license.
On 9/5/2025 4:59 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 13:17:32 -0700, Alan wrote:
Give examples for each of the given examples. What would you use to
replace:
Sorry.-a I have no inclination to accommodate an ignoramus troll.
But I'll give you a slight hint.
GNU/Linux users will carefully craft their workflow to lie within
the bounds of available FOSS software.
This kind of digital expertise is well beyond the pointy-clicky
mentality of the average (and above average) Microshit/Apphole
user.
I'm using FOSS software under Windows, not for everything, but you're clearly wrong that Windows is only for proprietary, corporate software.
You can be sold an MAK license that could get all its activations
used up, that can't happen if you buy a key that is individually
yours. The digital license will work with the first device but won't
transfer to another.
You keep making excuses...
That's a funny thing for you to say when you're excusing circumventing
the license agreements and assailing doing the right thing.-a I like
doing things the honest way.-a $146 isn't outrageous for the basic
license.
I'm not excusing any such thing.
And while $146 isn't outrageous, I agree, I find your posture very
strange for someone who claims about Macs costing more.
I'm using FOSS software under Windows, not for everything, but you're
clearly wrong that Windows is only for proprietary, corporate software.
I'm doing the same. Betterbird, Handbrake, MakeMKV are three such programs.
On 9/5/2025 6:12 PM, Alan wrote:
You can be sold an MAK license that could get all its activations
used up, that can't happen if you buy a key that is individually
yours. The digital license will work with the first device but
won't transfer to another.
You keep making excuses...
That's a funny thing for you to say when you're excusing
circumventing the license agreements and assailing doing the right
thing.-a I like doing things the honest way.-a $146 isn't outrageous
for the basic license.
I'm not excusing any such thing.
And while $146 isn't outrageous, I agree, I find your posture very
strange for someone who claims about Macs costing more.
If I'm buying a System Builder or retail license I'm assemblingAnd you want it both ways!
hardware, you bet your sweet ass it'll blow away what Apple's offering.
I was on such a budget with this PC that I'm accepting their gift of an
MAK activation.-a But I had two modern Windows Pro licenses that I gave away.
And while $146 isn't outrageous, I agree, I find your posture very
strange for someone who claims about Macs costing more.
If I'm buying a System Builder or retail license I'm assembling
hardware, you bet your sweet ass it'll blow away what Apple's
offering. I was on such a budget with this PC that I'm accepting their
gift of an MAK activation.-a But I had two modern Windows Pro licenses
that I gave away.
And you want it both ways!
Cheap is good when you use it to compare against a Mac, but cheap is bad when someone else uses it!
On 9/5/2025 6:54 PM, Alan wrote:
And while $146 isn't outrageous, I agree, I find your posture very
strange for someone who claims about Macs costing more.
If I'm buying a System Builder or retail license I'm assembling
hardware, you bet your sweet ass it'll blow away what Apple's
offering. I was on such a budget with this PC that I'm accepting
their gift of an MAK activation.-a But I had two modern Windows Pro
licenses that I gave away.
And you want it both ways!
Cheap is good when you use it to compare against a Mac, but cheap is
bad when someone else uses it!
I'm not comparing my device to any of the Mac ones.-a It's meant to meetYou're... ...really not bright.
the basic standards of a device.
Will Linux run MS Office?
Quicken?
MS Teams?
Current Acrobat version?
Spektrum Programmer (RC model airplane firmware)?
Go Pro software?
ForeFlight (or a substitute)?
I use all these on a frequent basis. All are readily available on
Windows and/or iOS/Mac OS.
And while $146 isn't outrageous, I agree, I find your posture very
strange for someone who claims about Macs costing more.
If I'm buying a System Builder or retail license I'm assembling
hardware, you bet your sweet ass it'll blow away what Apple's
offering. I was on such a budget with this PC that I'm accepting
their gift of an MAK activation.-a But I had two modern Windows Pro
licenses that I gave away.
And you want it both ways!
Cheap is good when you use it to compare against a Mac, but cheap is
bad when someone else uses it!
I'm not comparing my device to any of the Mac ones.-a It's meant to
meet the basic standards of a device.
You're... ...really not bright.
On 9/5/2025 7:15 PM, Alan wrote:
And while $146 isn't outrageous, I agree, I find your posture very >>>>>> strange for someone who claims about Macs costing more.
If I'm buying a System Builder or retail license I'm assembling
hardware, you bet your sweet ass it'll blow away what Apple's
offering. I was on such a budget with this PC that I'm accepting
their gift of an MAK activation.-a But I had two modern Windows Pro >>>>> licenses that I gave away.
And you want it both ways!
Cheap is good when you use it to compare against a Mac, but cheap is
bad when someone else uses it!
I'm not comparing my device to any of the Mac ones.-a It's meant to
meet the basic standards of a device.
You're... ...really not bright.
I am bright enough to recognize the logical flaw in buying a license at
an absurdly low price.
I'm not comparing my device to any of the Mac ones.-a It's meant to
meet the basic standards of a device.
You're... ...really not bright.
I am bright enough to recognize the logical flaw in buying a license
at an absurdly low price.
I thought it was an ethical flaw.
You said that, right?
On 9/5/2025 7:58 PM, Alan wrote:
I'm not comparing my device to any of the Mac ones.-a It's meant to >>>>> meet the basic standards of a device.
You're... ...really not bright.
I am bright enough to recognize the logical flaw in buying a license
at an absurdly low price.
I thought it was an ethical flaw.
You said that, right?
Is there a meaningful difference? It's either right or wrong.
On 9/5/2025 7:58 PM, Alan wrote:
I'm not comparing my device to any of the Mac ones.-a It's meant to >>>>> meet the basic standards of a device.
You're... ...really not bright.
I am bright enough to recognize the logical flaw in buying a license
at an absurdly low price.
I thought it was an ethical flaw.
You said that, right?
Is there a meaningful difference?-a It's either right or wrong.You must be very young.
I'm not comparing my device to any of the Mac ones.-a It's meant to >>>>>> meet the basic standards of a device.
You're... ...really not bright.
I am bright enough to recognize the logical flaw in buying a license
at an absurdly low price.
I thought it was an ethical flaw.
You said that, right?
Is there a meaningful difference?-a It's either right or wrong.
You must be very young.
On 9/5/2025 9:01 PM, Alan wrote:
I'm not comparing my device to any of the Mac ones.-a It's meant >>>>>>> to meet the basic standards of a device.
You're... ...really not bright.
I am bright enough to recognize the logical flaw in buying a
license at an absurdly low price.
I thought it was an ethical flaw.
You said that, right?
Is there a meaningful difference?-a It's either right or wrong.
You must be very young.
48, but this isn't something one needs to be old to know.It's usually the very young who see the world in just black and white.
Tell you want. Pick the best ONE to exemplify your claim:
MS Office
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/microsoft-365>
MS Teams <https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/microsoft-teams/group-chat-software>
Full version of Acrobat
<https://www.adobe.com/ca/acrobat/acrobat-pro.html>
Spektrum Programmer
<https://www.spektrumrc.com>
Go Pro software
Foreflight (flight management software)
https://foreflight.com
I'm not comparing my device to any of the Mac ones.-a It's meant >>>>>>>> to meet the basic standards of a device.
You're... ...really not bright.
I am bright enough to recognize the logical flaw in buying a
license at an absurdly low price.
I thought it was an ethical flaw.
You said that, right?
Is there a meaningful difference?-a It's either right or wrong.
You must be very young.
48, but this isn't something one needs to be old to know.
It's usually the very young who see the world in just black and white.
So I'll just assume you're very immature.
On 2025-09-05 18:55, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/5/2025 9:01 PM, Alan wrote:It's usually the very young who see the world in just black and white.
I'm not comparing my device to any of the Mac ones.-a It's meant >>>>>>>> to meet the basic standards of a device.
You're... ...really not bright.
I am bright enough to recognize the logical flaw in buying a
license at an absurdly low price.
I thought it was an ethical flaw.
You said that, right?
Is there a meaningful difference?-a It's either right or wrong.
You must be very young.
48, but this isn't something one needs to be old to know.
So I'll just assume you're very immature.
On 9/5/2025 10:02 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-09-05 18:55, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/5/2025 9:01 PM, Alan wrote:It's usually the very young who see the world in just black and white.
I'm not comparing my device to any of the Mac ones.-a It's meant >>>>>>>>> to meet the basic standards of a device.
You're... ...really not bright.
I am bright enough to recognize the logical flaw in buying a
license at an absurdly low price.
I thought it was an ethical flaw.
You said that, right?
Is there a meaningful difference?-a It's either right or wrong.
You must be very young.
48, but this isn't something one needs to be old to know.
So I'll just assume you're very immature.
Really, Alan Baker is not the one who detects the slightest flaw in a
post and from that point on labels the author a liar?