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On 04/10/2025 18:47, Paul Sprangers wrote:

In article <29189e665c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

Presumably there are reasons why it would be inadvisable to leave
*Alphabet permanently set to UTF8?

It upsets some characters in menus, noticeably those that represent key
short cuts.

That's because those characters aren't part of code page and are only
present in a few Acorn sourced fonts.

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On 4 Oct 2025 as I do recall,
Paul Sprangers wrote:

In article <410ea2665c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

[...] didn't get Dict working with Russian
input. Originally the issue was the lack of an appropriate dictionary server (the ones supplied in the download are no longer valid),

Dict servers tend to come and go, which is a shame.
Currently, these two Russian dicts seem to work:

server pkgs4unix.org
server dict.mova.org

*experiments*

Apparently in order to use Cyrillic in !Dict, as opposed to Netsurf, I
need to set Alphabet to Latin1 and set Keyboard Russia (as opposed to
UTF8 and UK)....

Having successfully typed in a string to the reduced Dict window and
pressed Return, I get a window popping up (with a jumbled Latin-1 title, presumably because, as I've noticed with Netsurf, RISC OS doesn't
support non-Latin characters in title bars) which says

1 definition found at pkgs4unix.org

From -i-+-+-#-#-C-i -U-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-# -Y.-E-#-C-#-+-+-#-# [abr1w]:

error: The request is not a valid UTF-8 string


Same result from dict.mova.org.
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On 4 Oct 2025 as I do recall,
Harriet Bazley wrote:

[snip]

Having successfully typed in a string to the reduced Dict window and
pressed Return, I get a window popping up (with a jumbled Latin-1 title, presumably because, as I've noticed with Netsurf, RISC OS doesn't
support non-Latin characters in title bars) which says

1 definition found at pkgs4unix.org

From -i-+-+-#-#-C-i -U-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-# -Y.-E-#-C-#-+-+-#-# [abr1w]:

error: The request is not a valid UTF-8 string

Ah, I think that's because at some point in the past I had configured
!Dict to use Bukinist in its input icon. So while it displays Cyrillic
at the RISC OS end, it isn't sending Unicode (apparently).

If I reconfigure !Dict to use Cyberbit and switch keyboard mapping to
Russ Uni, then for the string 'shut' (in Cyrillic) I get a variety of definitions, many of which are either *in* Russian or into languages I
don't speak (Polish, Hebrew), but the third one down is 'jester, fool',
which is the correct answer. :-)


(I eventually managed to decipher the original word in the video that
was giving me trouble by means of the traditional method of
back-translation, i.e. guessing what it might have been from context and
then looking up the possibilities in the English-Russian dictionary to
see which words matched. Not 'khust', as I had heard it, but 'kholst',
a painter's canvas - and no wonder I didn't recognise that piece of vocabulary!)
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In article <89e7ab665c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

Apparently in order to use Cyrillic in !Dict, as opposed to Netsurf, I
need to set Alphabet to Latin1 and set Keyboard Russia (as opposed to
UTF8 and UK)....

That shouldn't be necessary at all. KeyMap produces cyrillic characters independent from alphabet or keyboard settings.

Having successfully typed in a string to the reduced Dict window and
pressed Return, I get a window popping up (with a jumbled Latin-1 title, presumably because, as I've noticed with Netsurf, RISC OS doesn't
support non-Latin characters in title bars) which says

1 definition found at pkgs4unix.org

From -#]--a% b+[][+#]- +.#-a-#]-- [abr1w]:

Have you configured a unicode font in Choices, under Bodytext? If so, it
should show the suffix \EUTF8 automatically. It won't do so with Bukinist.

Paul
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In article <073faf665c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

Ah, I think that's because at some point in the past I had configured
!Dict to use Bukinist in its input icon.

Ah, cross postings.
But I will have a look at why F12 doesn't work when the virtual keyboard of KeyMap is open. I never noticed that.

Paul
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On 4 Oct 2025 as I do recall,
Paul Sprangers wrote:

I will have a look at why F12 doesn't work when the virtual keyboard of KeyMap is open. I never noticed that.

That's quite a common problem in apps that intercept keypresses - so far
as I recall you need to explicitly check for F12 and pass it on. I'm
not sure I've written any programs with windows that do react to
keypresses....

Ah, here we are: SideDiff.

If responding to a KeyPressed event in Wimp_Poll, the application needs
to call Wimp_ProcessKey afterwards with any keypresses in which it is
*not* interested in order to re-broadcast them around the desktop. Since
KeyMap is designed to potentially map all keys on the keyboard to some
other key (which might I suppose include the F12 key, if the user wished
it!) it probably isn't making any exceptions.
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On 4 Oct 2025 as I do recall,
Paul Sprangers wrote:

In article <89e7ab665c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

Apparently in order to use Cyrillic in !Dict, as opposed to Netsurf, I
need to set Alphabet to Latin1 and set Keyboard Russia (as opposed to
UTF8 and UK)....

I think that was because in the distant past I had configured !Dict to
to Bukinist as its icon input font (that being the only one I had
managed to establish a working key-mapping for). With Cyberbit
configured as input font I seem to be able to type into !Dict just by
switching to RussUni

(sigh: except that having done so, I'm still getting 'The request is
not a valid UTF-8 string". I wonder if the issue is my attempt to use
the arrow keys to edit a typo, which definitely seems to require
multiple keypresses to move past each character? Or just that my
Russian spelling is dodgy in the first place?)

Edit: definitely using the arrow keys to try to delete things. I can reproduce that.

That shouldn't be necessary at all. KeyMap produces cyrillic characters independent from alphabet or keyboard settings.

Indeed, having configured StrongED to use Cyberbit as its display text
for News mode while experimenting, I just accidentally typed a string of Cyrillic into this text without noticing! A feat I unfortunately seem currently able to reproduce, though I did notice the arrow key/deletion
issues there as well... which makes sense, since the concept of 'one
character per keypress' is probably hardwired all over RISC OS.

I'm not sure using it in StrongED is a good strategy, as for some reason
I seem to be producing far more typos than normal, though I don't quite
see how the two can be connected! (I'm not used to using an outline
font/bar cursor in StrongED at all.)

Having successfully typed in a string to the reduced Dict window and pressed Return, I get a window popping up (with a jumbled Latin-1 title, presumably because, as I've noticed with Netsurf, RISC OS doesn't
support non-Latin characters in title bars) which says

1 definition found at pkgs4unix.org

From |U|c|R|A|E|a|4 |i|y|Y|R|Y|y|L|R|A -+.-#|a|a|E|L|R|A|E [abr1w]:

Have you configured a unicode font in Choices, under Bodytext? If so, it should show the suffix \EUTF8 automatically. It won't do so with Bukinist.

Bodytext is configured to Cyberbit\EUTF8.

But Bold and Italic are still set to Homerton\UTF8, which may be
the problem here...

Ah, that's better - I tried using DejaVu for both, and now get my Froms
in valid Cyrillic. :-)
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In article <4a64f8665c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

That's quite a common problem in apps that intercept keypresses - so far
as I recall you need to explicitly check for F12 and pass it on.

Okay, KeyMap didn't react on keypresses at all, but now it does, just to
pass on F12. Version 1.05 is now ready for download at www.riscos.sprie.nl

Paul
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On 5 Oct 2025 as I do recall,
Paul Sprangers wrote:

In article <4a64f8665c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

That's quite a common problem in apps that intercept keypresses - so far
as I recall you need to explicitly check for F12 and pass it on.

Okay, KeyMap didn't react on keypresses at all, but now it does, just to
pass on F12. Version 1.05 is now ready for download at www.riscos.sprie.nl

Nice!

*rereading manual for changes*
I had forgotten about the ability to Toggle Size on the Keyboard window
to display extra keys.

(The download seems to have acquired a lot of 'odd' extra keymaps, e.g.
'Test', 'Blank' and 'Woodtype', that you possibly didn't intend to
include in a distribution version...?)
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On 5 Oct 2025 as I do recall,
Harriet Bazley wrote:

On 5 Oct 2025 as I do recall,
Paul Sprangers wrote:

In article <4a64f8665c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

That's quite a common problem in apps that intercept keypresses - so far as I recall you need to explicitly check for F12 and pass it on.

Okay, KeyMap didn't react on keypresses at all, but now it does, just to pass on F12. Version 1.05 is now ready for download at www.riscos.sprie.nl

Nice!

NB if the app doesn't need to react to any keypresses at all, it might
be simpler just to use the pollmask to mask out the KeyPress Wimp_Poll
event altogether....
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In article <fec604675c.admin@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

(The download seems to have acquired a lot of 'odd' extra keymaps, e.g. 'Test', 'Blank' and 'Woodtype', that you possibly didn't intend to
include in a distribution version...?)

NB if the app doesn't need to react to any keypresses at all, it might be simpler just to use the pollmask to mask out the KeyPress Wimp_Poll event altogether....

All very true. It was all last minute work (concert).

Paul
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