• Re: MMC/SD for older devices

    From druck@news@druck.org.uk to comp.sys.acorn.hardware on Wed Oct 1 21:52:48 2025
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    On 30/09/2025 12:45, Theo wrote:
    Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:
    Currently I have a MMC adaptor connected to the 2nd interface

    [snip]

    If you adapter is really for MMC rather than SD (from the megabytes not gigabytes era) then it might not support SD at all, or not SDHC, or some arbitrary size limit. Only thing is to try it.

    I suspect it is an IDE to Compact Flash adapter incorrectly described as
    MMC.

    ---druck
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  • From Paul Stewart@paulstewart@phawfaux.co.uk to comp.sys.acorn.hardware on Fri Oct 3 22:29:20 2025
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    In message <10bk4b1$jtid$1@druck.eternal-september.org>
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

    On 30/09/2025 12:45, Theo wrote:
    Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:
    Currently I have a MMC adaptor connected to the 2nd interface

    [snip]

    If you adapter is really for MMC rather than SD (from the megabytes not
    gigabytes era) then it might not support SD at all, or not SDHC, or some
    arbitrary size limit. Only thing is to try it.

    I suspect it is an IDE to Compact Flash adapter incorrectly described as
    MMC.

    Quite right!


    Regards
    --
    Paul Stewart - Milton Keynes Marina, Milton Keynes, England. (msn:paulstewart@phawfaux.co.uk)


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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to comp.sys.acorn.hardware on Sat Oct 4 09:39:12 2025
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    Paul Stewart <paulstewart@phawfaux.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <10bk4b1$jtid$1@druck.eternal-september.org>
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

    On 30/09/2025 12:45, Theo wrote:
    Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:
    Currently I have a MMC adaptor connected to the 2nd interface

    [snip]

    If you adapter is really for MMC rather than SD (from the megabytes not
    gigabytes era) then it might not support SD at all, or not SDHC, or some >> arbitrary size limit. Only thing is to try it.

    I suspect it is an IDE to Compact Flash adapter incorrectly described as MMC.

    Quite right!

    Ah, that changes things! In that case I'd be looking at an IDE to SATA
    adapter plus a SATA SSD.

    The A9home's IDE implementation was designed by Simtec, and I think the
    Simtec IDE ports (Unipod etc) were designed to a more modern spec and had better luck with adapters than the Acorn motherboard ones on Risc PCs.

    Theo
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  • From Paul Stewart@phorefaux@gmail.com to comp.sys.acorn.hardware on Sat Oct 4 21:38:07 2025
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    In message <Cne*mDdoA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Paul Stewart <paulstewart@phawfaux.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <10bk4b1$jtid$1@druck.eternal-september.org>
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

    On 30/09/2025 12:45, Theo wrote:
    Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:
    Currently I have a MMC adaptor connected to the 2nd interface

    [snip]

    If you adapter is really for MMC rather than SD (from the megabytes not >>>> gigabytes era) then it might not support SD at all, or not SDHC, or some >>>> arbitrary size limit. Only thing is to try it.

    I suspect it is an IDE to Compact Flash adapter incorrectly described as >>> MMC.

    Quite right!

    Ah, that changes things! In that case I'd be looking at an IDE to SATA adapter plus a SATA SSD.

    I'll check them out on Amazon. If anyone is already using on with the
    A9home, please drop me a link to it.

    The A9home's IDE implementation was designed by Simtec, and I think the Simtec IDE ports (Unipod etc) were designed to a more modern spec and had better luck with adapters than the Acorn motherboard ones on Risc PCs.

    Over the years I have the IDE interace on the A9home to be be quite picky
    over what it will work with. Even down to which interface it will work
    on! For example my current CF adaptor will not work on the interface underneath, but works fine via a cable on the top interface!

    Regards
    --
    Paul Stewart
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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to comp.sys.acorn.hardware on Sun Oct 5 11:09:18 2025
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    Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:
    In message <Cne*mDdoA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Ah, that changes things! In that case I'd be looking at an IDE to SATA adapter plus a SATA SSD.

    I'll check them out on Amazon. If anyone is already using on with the A9home, please drop me a link to it.

    I'm very out of date, but when I did this for a 2004 Toshiba laptop the
    adapter that worked was one with a JMB20330 chip on it. It looked like
    this (not available on Amazon that I can find): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006369491051.html

    At the time (~12 years ago) there were 'bidirectional' adapters (that could connect a SATA drive to an IDE port or an IDE drive to a SATA port) and I
    think those were less likely to work than the one-way kind above.

    A quick google for:
    JMB20330 "40 pin" site:aliexpress.com

    is only finding 44-pin adapters, but perhaps one of those plus a 40 to 44
    pin converter might work (also 40 to 44 pin cables available): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009885844271.html

    Marvell chips were also supposedly good, but hard to find then and probably even more now.

    The A9home's IDE implementation was designed by Simtec, and I think the Simtec IDE ports (Unipod etc) were designed to a more modern spec and had better luck with adapters than the Acorn motherboard ones on Risc PCs.

    Over the years I have the IDE interace on the A9home to be be quite picky over what it will work with. Even down to which interface it will work
    on! For example my current CF adaptor will not work on the interface underneath, but works fine via a cable on the top interface!

    You could also ask CJE, who have more experience in this area.

    Theo
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  • From Paul Stewart@phorefaux@gmail.com to comp.sys.acorn.hardware on Mon Dec 29 16:25:25 2025
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    In message <Cne*mDdoA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Paul Stewart <paulstewart@phawfaux.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <10bk4b1$jtid$1@druck.eternal-september.org>
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

    On 30/09/2025 12:45, Theo wrote:
    Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:
    Currently I have a MMC adaptor connected to the 2nd interface

    [snip]

    If you adapter is really for MMC rather than SD (from the megabytes not >>>> gigabytes era) then it might not support SD at all, or not SDHC, or some >>>> arbitrary size limit. Only thing is to try it.

    I suspect it is an IDE to Compact Flash adapter incorrectly described as >>> MMC.

    Quite right!

    Ah, that changes things! In that case I'd be looking at an IDE to SATA adapter plus a SATA SSD.

    The A9home's IDE implementation was designed by Simtec, and I think the Simtec IDE ports (Unipod etc) were designed to a more modern spec and had better luck with adapters than the Acorn motherboard ones on Risc PCs.

    So I went with an IDE to SD card adaptor from Amazon (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07B66QJHK?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title
    ). I tried an M.2 to IDE adaptor, but that did not work :(

    The SD adaptor appears to be working fine. Have it attached to the top interface on the motherboard. The bottom interface where the old HDD was installed (many moons ago) no longer seems to recognise anything. But
    can't say I have used it for years as it never recognised my CF adaptor anyway, but the top one always did!
    --
    Paul Stewart
    Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
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