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For your information, the 3rd release of the newsletter "La lettre de VMSgenerations" is now available at [https://www.vmsgenerations.fr/ lalettredevmsgenerations-n3-v1-en/].
On 7/23/2025 4:37 PM, VMSgenerations wrote:
For your information, the 3rd release of the newsletter "La lettre de
VMSgenerations" is now available at [https://www.vmsgenerations.fr/
lalettredevmsgenerations-n3-v1-en/].
Lots of interesting stuff, but at least some will find the
section "Long time Synergy : Ada and VMS" by G|-rard Calliet
particular interesting:
<quote>
At the most recent Ada-Europe conference in Paris (AEiC, June 10rCo13,
held at the |ecole des Mines, Paris), I pre-
sented a paper and a set of slides on my project to make Ada universally available across VMS environments.
I explained why it is meaningful to ensure the presence of Ada on all generations of the VMS platform. In fact, Ada
currently runs on VAX, Alpha, and Itanium (the latter thanks to a port performed by pia-sofer and AdaLabs in
2015). I am currently working on a port to x86. This effort has been
made possible by the use of, and access to, the
LLVM toolchain provided by VSI, in combination with an existing AdaCore project to support LLVM (AdaCore being
a key vendor in the Ada ecosystem, typically relying on the GCC toolchain). </quote>
On 7/23/2025 8:38 PM, Arne Vajhoj wrote:
On 7/23/2025 4:37 PM, VMSgenerations wrote:
For your information, the 3rd release of the newsletter "La lettre de
VMSgenerations" is now available at [https://www.vmsgenerations.fr/
lalettredevmsgenerations-n3-v1-en/].
Lots of interesting stuff, but at least some will find the
section "Long time Synergy : Ada and VMS" by Gorard Calliet
particular interesting:
<quote>
At the most recent Ada-Europe conference in Paris (AEiC, June 10?13,
held at the +cole des Mines, Paris), I pre-
sented a paper and a set of slides on my project to make Ada universally
available across VMS environments.
I explained why it is meaningful to ensure the presence of Ada on all
generations of the VMS platform. In fact, Ada
currently runs on VAX, Alpha, and Itanium (the latter thanks to a port
performed by pia-sofer and AdaLabs in
2015). I am currently working on a port to x86. This effort has been
made possible by the use of, and access to, the
LLVM toolchain provided by VSI, in combination with an existing AdaCore
project to support LLVM (AdaCore being
a key vendor in the Ada ecosystem, typically relying on the GCC toolchain). >> </quote>
Which is a good opportunity for a little multiple choice test.
:-)
What does VMS need?
A) People talking about what somebody else should have done
in the past.
B) People talking about what somebody else should do in
the future.
C) People actually doing something.
It looks like the french know the correct answer!
Standing ovation from here.
On 2025-07-23, Arne Vajh|+j <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
On 7/23/2025 8:38 PM, Arne Vajh|+j wrote:
On 7/23/2025 4:37 PM, VMSgenerations wrote:
For your information, the 3rd release of the newsletter "La lettre de
VMSgenerations" is now available at [https://www.vmsgenerations.fr/
lalettredevmsgenerations-n3-v1-en/].
Lots of interesting stuff, but at least some will find the
section "Long time Synergy : Ada and VMS" by G|-rard Calliet
particular interesting:
<quote>
At the most recent Ada-Europe conference in Paris (AEiC, June 10?13,
held at the |ecole des Mines, Paris), I pre-
sented a paper and a set of slides on my project to make Ada universally >>> available across VMS environments.
I explained why it is meaningful to ensure the presence of Ada on all
generations of the VMS platform. In fact, Ada
currently runs on VAX, Alpha, and Itanium (the latter thanks to a port
performed by pia-sofer and AdaLabs in
2015). I am currently working on a port to x86. This effort has been
made possible by the use of, and access to, the
LLVM toolchain provided by VSI, in combination with an existing AdaCore
project to support LLVM (AdaCore being
a key vendor in the Ada ecosystem, typically relying on the GCC toolchain). >>> </quote>
Standing ovation from here.
These efforts are commendable but they mean nothing unless you have
a solid recognised support organisation behind them, with support
contracts, and which is large enough to be sued if things go badly wrong.
AdaCore and RedHat are examples of organisations which meet this criteria (for Ada and Linux respectively). While some Linux customers may be
happy to run CentOS instead of paying for RHEL, when it comes to customers with Ada applications, support from a serious support organisation is generally going to be a solid requirement.
I believe there are some commercial backing.
Even though I do not completely understand the relationship
between the VMSgenerations group and the companies Pia-Sofer
and AdaLabs.
Whether those are big enough for you I don't know.
But it is my impression that embedded, real-time, failure
mean people die market is actually mostly smaller companies.
Where the really huge companies focus on the business
applications market.
On 2025-07-24, Arne Vajhoj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
I believe there are some commercial backing.
Even though I do not completely understand the relationship
between the VMSgenerations group and the companies Pia-Sofer
and AdaLabs.
Whether those are big enough for you I don't know.
But it is my impression that embedded, real-time, failure
mean people die market is actually mostly smaller companies.
Where the really huge companies focus on the business
applications market.
Not always. For example, Eurocontrol is a major Ada user[*] and that
is for technical stuff, not business applications stuff.
([*] Or at least it was; I don't know if that is still the case.)
On 2025-07-24, Arne Vajh|+j <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
I believe there are some commercial backing.
Even though I do not completely understand the relationship
between the VMSgenerations group and the companies Pia-Sofer
and AdaLabs.
Whether those are big enough for you I don't know.
But it is my impression that embedded, real-time, failure
mean people die market is actually mostly smaller companies.
Where the really huge companies focus on the business
applications market.
Not always. For example, Eurocontrol is a major Ada user[*] and that
is for technical stuff, not business applications stuff.