• VSI training

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@arne@vajhoej.dk to comp.os.vms on Mon Jul 14 10:13:32 2025
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    VSI just announced their fall training program:

    https://trainings.vmssoftware.com/fall-school-2025

    Which to me seems very much geared towards the new VMS
    system manager.

    Which is good and bad. I assume that the course
    offerings reflects the demand.

    It is good that companies are hiring new people to manage
    their VMS systems and are willing to invest in their training.
    It indicates that those companies expect VMS to be around
    for a long time.

    It is bad that there are no courses geared towards the
    new VMS application developer. It indicate that companies
    are not making significant investments in new applications
    on VMS or major enhancements to existing applications on VMS.

    Arne

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  • From Simon Clubley@clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP to comp.os.vms on Mon Jul 14 18:46:35 2025
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    On 2025-07-14, Arne Vajhoj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
    VSI just announced their fall training program:

    https://trainings.vmssoftware.com/fall-school-2025

    Which to me seems very much geared towards the new VMS
    system manager.

    Which is good and bad. I assume that the course
    offerings reflects the demand.

    It is good that companies are hiring new people to manage
    their VMS systems and are willing to invest in their training.
    It indicates that those companies expect VMS to be around
    for a long time.

    It is bad that there are no courses geared towards the
    new VMS application developer. It indicate that companies
    are not making significant investments in new applications
    on VMS or major enhancements to existing applications on VMS.


    That doesn't surprise me unfortunately. It is very clear that you
    will need ongoing staff to give the servers a good kick when they
    go wrong, but it is also clear that those same systems are now in
    legacy mode, so you don't need people to make changes to them.

    In other words, this just formalises what has already generally
    been accepted to be the case.

    Simon.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@arne@vajhoej.dk to comp.os.vms on Mon Jul 14 16:50:29 2025
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    On 7/14/2025 2:46 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
    On 2025-07-14, Arne Vajh|+j <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
    VSI just announced their fall training program:

    https://trainings.vmssoftware.com/fall-school-2025

    Which to me seems very much geared towards the new VMS
    system manager.

    Which is good and bad. I assume that the course
    offerings reflects the demand.

    It is good that companies are hiring new people to manage
    their VMS systems and are willing to invest in their training.
    It indicates that those companies expect VMS to be around
    for a long time.

    It is bad that there are no courses geared towards the
    new VMS application developer. It indicate that companies
    are not making significant investments in new applications
    on VMS or major enhancements to existing applications on VMS.

    That doesn't surprise me unfortunately. It is very clear that you
    will need ongoing staff to give the servers a good kick when they
    go wrong, but it is also clear that those same systems are now in
    legacy mode, so you don't need people to make changes to them.

    In other words, this just formalises what has already generally
    been accepted to be the case.

    VSI has some work to do.

    :-)

    They have started pushing the message with stuff like
    Brett Cameron's talks about integration with modern
    message queues and integration with modern enterprise
    event logging systems.

    We need more like that!

    Arne
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  • From Stephen Hoffman@seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid to comp.os.vms on Wed Jul 16 18:34:46 2025
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    On 2025-07-14 18:46:35 +0000, Simon Clubley said:

    That doesn't surprise me unfortunately. It is very clear that you
    will need ongoing staff to give the servers a good kick when they
    go wrong, but it is also clear that those same systems are now in
    legacy mode, so you don't need people to make changes to them.

    In other words, this just formalises what has already generally
    been accepted to be the case.

    I've done developer-focused OpenVMS training courses.

    Most recently was a course for using C on OpenVMS.

    There hasn't been much call for those classes, though.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@arne@vajhoej.dk to comp.os.vms on Wed Jul 16 20:04:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.vms

    On 7/16/2025 6:34 PM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
    On 2025-07-14 18:46:35 +0000, Simon Clubley said:
    That doesn't surprise me unfortunately. It is very clear that you
    will need ongoing staff to give the servers a good kick when they
    go wrong, but it is also clear that those same systems are now in
    legacy mode, so you don't need people to make changes to them.

    In other words, this just formalises what has already generally
    been accepted to be the case.

    I've done developer-focused OpenVMS training courses.

    Most recently was a course for using C on OpenVMS.

    There hasn't been much call for those classes, though.

    Late 80's DEC offered a course "VMS for Programmers",
    which I thought was pretty cool.

    Assuming that people knew DCL (incl. compiler and linker
    commands) and at least one programming language. Generic
    course material plus language specific work book, so
    that everyone could use the language they knew.

    Covering various LIB$, various SYS$, SMG$ etc..

    I believe they had at least Fortran, Pascal and Cobol
    versions - I suspect that also had Basic and C.

    (I was on Fortran)

    Arne

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