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On 20/08/2025 5:02 am, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 13:15:34 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
In the Spanish land, they did because it was the law, which protected
the natives somewhat. Also I read they did not work well. Also because
many got ill and died, so not enough natives.
The mission system in Spanish America was presented as improving the
natives' lot. Whether it did or not is a good question.
Same Same can be asked of The British and the Australian Aborigine ...
or The British and the Native Indian .... or The British and The Chinese.
Hmm!! Seems to be a constant factor here!! ;-P
On 18/08/2025 10:39 am, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 21:36:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:When someone is sworn in as President of The U.S. of A. aren't they
It was the religious wars and the Anglican Church been forced on
everyone in the Colonies which lead to our Constitution protection
against the Establishment of Religion.
Whatever happened to that? Seems the current crowd in power want to throw
all that out ... in favour of their own religion, of course.
required to swear on The Bible?? Or is that a copy of The Constitution??
On 8/26/25 5:39 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/08/2025 08:53, c186282 wrote:
More likey the universe is a little older/larger than
-a-a we initially thought it was. We do projections, but
-a-a some of the benchmarks are now suspected of being a
-a-a little unreliable.
Astrophysics is a massive edifice based on some fairly shaky
assumptions. Star distance is held to be a function of relative
velocity. Star age is held to be a function of distance and or
luminosity.
-a Recently I heard that cephid variables - THE yardstick -
-a may not be as reliable as imagined.
-a In any case ... figure 20 billion instead of 13.6 and
-a those 'impossible galaxies' aren't impossible anymore.
-a Doesn't require entire galaxies to have somehow
-a survived from before The Bang.
-a A new scope - a bit bigger and deeper into the IR -
-a might find even MORE way out there. Alas as the
-a wavelength increases resolution becomes, well,
-a fuzzier. Far also means small angle. Interferometry
-a can help, but now we're talking some LARGE structure
-a in space subject to every mini gravity variance and
-a uneven heating.
-a We MAY just not be able to see The Edge anymore.
On 17/08/2025 8:01 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/08/2025 07:35, c186282 wrote:
<Snip>
The Queen Mum, making sure the kids were trained in using automatic
weapons in case the NAZIs showed up - THAT'S the kind of 'tough
chik' you want.
Hmm. They all are, in fact. Charles served in the forces,
Did HRH ever make it to a Two-Way Rifle Range?? You know the ones where
the other guys are shooting back.
Oh, hang on, he was a Pilot, wasn't he!
so did Harry, but sadly he is as thick as his mum.Same question might apply.
-aWe never could have seen the edge because we evolved orActually, we can see the edge, because the Universe is [allegedly] so
were created too late for that.
The Edge would be the Big Bang, if it really happened but that
is too far away in time and space and hidden behind the period
when the Universe was not transmitting light at all. Aso when the
energy and matter expanded into this spece it did so along
vectors which seem to have been pre-existing.
On 25/08/2025 20:08, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 22:27:36 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
The capitalist system is a good system in the hands of ethicalpeople
but when the need for profit outpaces social responsibility then we
need regulation of many aspects of capitalism. Without it we have
rampant pollution and ooisonous emmissions into the atmosphere, in the
water and soil.
Eternal growth and 'progress' are hard wired into capitalism.
No, they are wired into post war consumerism. And 'Libral' sociology.
On 18/08/2025 10:39 am, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 21:36:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:When someone is sworn in as President of The U.S. of A. aren't they
It was the religious wars and the Anglican Church been forced on
everyone in the Colonies which lead to our Constitution protection
against the Establishment of Religion.
Whatever happened to that? Seems the current crowd in power want to
throw all that out ... in favour of their own religion, of course.
required to swear on The Bible?? Or is that a copy of The Constitution??
On 16/08/2025 9:46 am, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:30:29 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Parents were unhappy with their kids getting low grades, so they
changed the education system to give them all full Marx...
When I briefly taught the classes used homogeneous groups, A, B, C, D.
The kids, their parents, and everyone in the system understood D was
Dumb.
My High School had A, B, C, D, E, and F results. F was Fail!!
On 20/08/2025 5:02 am, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 13:15:34 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
In the Spanish land, they did because it was the law, which protected
the natives somewhat. Also I read they did not work well. Also because
many got ill and died, so not enough natives.
The mission system in Spanish America was presented as improving the
natives' lot. Whether it did or not is a good question.
Same Same can be asked of The British and the Australian Aborigine ...
or The British and the Native Indian .... or The British and The
Chinese.
Hmm!! Seems to be a constant factor here!! ;-P
Yep. Unlike the Americans, we didnt kill all the Indians, Africans, Aboriginal Australians etc etc
But the Puritans and the Catholic did agree on one thing and that
was that Chrisianity must be brought to the people of foreign lands
whether they wanted it or not.
On 17/08/2025 8:01 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/08/2025 07:35, c186282 wrote:
<Snip>
The Queen Mum, making sure the kids were trained in using automatic
weapons in case the NAZIs showed up - THAT'S the kind of 'tough chik'
you want.
Hmm. They all are, in fact. Charles served in the forces,
Did HRH ever make it to a Two-Way Rifle Range?? You know the ones where
the other guys are shooting back.
Oh, hang on, he was a Pilot, wasn't he!
Oh Harry was definitely in a hot war. He rather stupidly let it be known
how many Islamic hostiles he had bagged with his 50 cal.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 10:32:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/08/2025 20:08, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 22:27:36 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
The capitalist system is a good system in the hands of ethicalpeople
but when the need for profit outpaces social responsibility then we
need regulation of many aspects of capitalism. Without it we have
rampant pollution and ooisonous emmissions into the atmosphere, in the >>>> water and soil.
Eternal growth and 'progress' are hard wired into capitalism.
No, they are wired into post war consumerism. And 'Libral' sociology.
Most of that goes back to the Enlightenment. Condorcet wrote the book and
got honorable mention by Malthus. Every time a new rabbit is pulled out of the hat it's proclaimed 'See! Mathus was wrong!. I don't think there are
many more bunnies in the bottom of the had.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 23:50:42 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 18/08/2025 10:39 am, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 21:36:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:When someone is sworn in as President of The U.S. of A. aren't they
It was the religious wars and the Anglican Church been forced on
everyone in the Colonies which lead to our Constitution protection
against the Establishment of Religion.
Whatever happened to that? Seems the current crowd in power want to
throw all that out ... in favour of their own religion, of course.
required to swear on The Bible?? Or is that a copy of The Constitution??
Not as President but Tulsi Gabbard used the Bhagavad Gita. Given the
choice of the two I'd take the Gita.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 13:11:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Yep. Unlike the Americans, we didnt kill all the Indians, Africans,
Aboriginal Australians etc etc
'All' being the critical word. iirc the Zulus got their licks in.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:34:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Oh Harry was definitely in a hot war. He rather stupidly let it be known
how many Islamic hostiles he had bagged with his 50 cal.
Is he the one with a SS uniform in the closet?
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 13:11:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Yep. Unlike the Americans, we didnt kill all the Indians, Africans,
Aboriginal Australians etc etc
'All' being the critical word. iirc the Zulus got their licks in.
On 26/08/2025 21:11, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 10:32:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Ah yes. Cornucopianism
On 25/08/2025 20:08, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 22:27:36 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
The capitalist system is a good system in the hands of ethicalpeople
but when the need for profit outpaces social responsibility then we
need regulation of many aspects of capitalism. Without it we have
rampant pollution and ooisonous emmissions into the atmosphere, in
the water and soil.
Eternal growth and 'progress' are hard wired into capitalism.
No, they are wired into post war consumerism. And 'Libral' sociology.
Most of that goes back to the Enlightenment. Condorcet wrote the book
and got honorable mention by Malthus. Every time a new rabbit is pulled
out of the hat it's proclaimed 'See! Mathus was wrong!. I don't think
there are many more bunnies in the bottom of the had.
Somehow, somewhere, there is always MoreToComerao
On 26/08/2025 21:13, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 23:50:42 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 18/08/2025 10:39 am, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 21:36:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:When someone is sworn in as President of The U.S. of A. aren't they
It was the religious wars and the Anglican Church been forced on
everyone in the Colonies which lead to our Constitution protection
against the Establishment of Religion.
Whatever happened to that? Seems the current crowd in power want to
throw all that out ... in favour of their own religion, of course.
required to swear on The Bible?? Or is that a copy of The
Constitution??
Not as President but Tulsi Gabbard used the Bhagavad Gita. Given the
choice of the two I'd take the Gita.
Would I be allowed Aleister Crowley's 'Book of Lies' ?
None of the Royals are especially gifted with grey cells, but Harry is
as thick as his mum, which is pushing the boat out.
Poor sod. He would have been far happier growing up in a council estate
and snorting crack.
The USA did not kill all the Native Americans though at somepoints
that was clearly the intention. Many were left alive and are organizing politically.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:01:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
None of the Royals are especially gifted with grey cells, but Harry is
as thick as his mum, which is pushing the boat out.
Diana? I thought she was okay but I don't keep track of the royalty.
Poor sod. He would have been far happier growing up in a council estate
and snorting crack.
That might explain his taste in gold diggers. At least she can almost
pass and doesn't have a thing for lip plates.As I said I don't follow the royals but I gather the family doesn't really want them back.
So it goes when you have a long tradition of inbreeding.
On 26/08/2025 21:13, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 23:50:42 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 18/08/2025 10:39 am, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 21:36:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:When someone is sworn in as President of The U.S. of A. aren't they
It was the religious wars and the Anglican Church been forced on
everyone in the Colonies which lead to our Constitution protection
against the Establishment of Religion.
Whatever happened to that? Seems the current crowd in power want to
throw all that out ... in favour of their own religion, of course.
required to swear on The Bible?? Or is that a copy of The Constitution??
Not as President but Tulsi Gabbard used the Bhagavad Gita. Given the
choice of the two I'd take the Gita.
Would I be allowed Aleister Crowley's 'Book of Lies' ?
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:01:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
None of the Royals are especially gifted with grey cells, but Harry is
as thick as his mum, which is pushing the boat out.
Diana? I thought she was okay but I don't keep track of the royalty.
Poor sod. He would have been far happier growing up in a council estate
and snorting crack.
That might explain his taste in gold diggers. At least she can almost
pass and doesn't have a thing for lip plates.As I said I don't follow the royals but I gather the family doesn't really want them back.
So it goes when you have a long tradition of inbreeding.
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:01:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
None of the Royals are especially gifted with grey cells, but Harry is
as thick as his mum, which is pushing the boat out.
Diana? I thought she was okay but I don't keep track of the royalty.
-a QE2 once compared her to a house plant ...
Poor sod. He would have been far happier growing up in a council estate
and snorting crack.
That might explain his taste in gold diggers.-a At least she can almost
pass and doesn't have a thing for lip plates.As I said I don't follow the
royals but I gather the family doesn't really want them back.
So it goes when you have a long tradition of inbreeding.
-a Hey, keeps the 'divine right/power' concentrated
-a in the blood of course !
-a Now it you want SERIOUS inbreeding, try the Egyptians.
On 8/26/25 4:55 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/08/2025 21:13, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 23:50:42 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 18/08/2025 10:39 am, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 21:36:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:When someone is sworn in as President of The U.S. of A. aren't they
It was the religious wars and the Anglican Church been forced on
everyone in the Colonies which lead to our Constitution protection >>>>>> against the Establishment of Religion.
Whatever happened to that? Seems the current crowd in power want to
throw all that out ... in favour of their own religion, of course.
required to swear on The Bible?? Or is that a copy of The
Constitution??
Not as President but Tulsi Gabbard used the Bhagavad Gita. Given the
choice of the two I'd take the Gita.
Would I be allowed Aleister Crowley's 'Book of Lies' ?
-a Sure !
-a Bring a coven of nekked witches to chant the
-a words along with you.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:34:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Oh Harry was definitely in a hot war. He rather stupidly let it be known
how many Islamic hostiles he had bagged with his 50 cal.
Is he the one with a SS uniform in the closet?
On 26/08/2025 14:14, Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/08/2025 8:01 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/08/2025 07:35, c186282 wrote:
<Snip>
The Queen Mum, making sure the kids were trained in using automatic
weapons in case the NAZIs showed up - THAT'S the kind of 'tough
chik' you want.
Hmm. They all are, in fact. Charles served in the forces,
Did HRH ever make it to a Two-Way Rifle Range?? You know the ones where
the other guys are shooting back.
Oh, hang on, he was a Pilot, wasn't he!
Chopper pilot. I think he also served as a rescue chopper pilot
so did Harry, but sadly he is as thick as his mum.Same question might apply.
Oh Harry was definitely in a hot war. He rather stupidly let it be known
how many Islamic hostiles he had bagged with his 50 cal.
He was hauled off te front lone after his presence became known - too
much a risk for his fellow squaddies to be around the guy with a target
on his back
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:01:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
None of the Royals are especially gifted with grey cells, but Harry is
as thick as his mum, which is pushing the boat out.
Diana? I thought she was okay but I don't keep track of the royalty.
-a QE2 once compared her to a house plant ...
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 23:37:41 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 16/08/2025 9:46 am, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:30:29 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Parents were unhappy with their kids getting low grades, so they
changed the education system to give them all full Marx...
When I briefly taught the classes used homogeneous groups, A, B, C, D.
The kids, their parents, and everyone in the system understood D was
Dumb.
My High School had A, B, C, D, E, and F results. F was Fail!!
I don't think we had a E. Go directly to F. However I wasn't talking about grades. Even at the tail end of the Baby Boom classes were large. In the school where I taught, there were 4 separate groups and they were sorted
by potential.
The D kids would probably be high school dropouts. C would take shop or business courses and graduate. A were college bound. B was a crap shoot, maybe community college.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 23:50:42 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 18/08/2025 10:39 am, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 21:36:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:When someone is sworn in as President of The U.S. of A. aren't they
It was the religious wars and the Anglican Church been forced on
everyone in the Colonies which lead to our Constitution protection
against the Establishment of Religion.
Whatever happened to that? Seems the current crowd in power want to
throw all that out ... in favour of their own religion, of course.
required to swear on The Bible?? Or is that a copy of The Constitution??
Not as President but Tulsi Gabbard used the Bhagavad Gita. Given the
choice of the two I'd take the Gita.
On 27/08/2025 6:01 pm, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:01:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
None of the Royals are especially gifted with grey cells, but Harry is >>>> as thick as his mum, which is pushing the boat out.
Diana? I thought she was okay but I don't keep track of the royalty.
-a-a QE2 once compared her to a house plant ...
but, maybe, Diana might have blossomed (to keep the plant theme going)
into a very nice Queen when/if she had grown up.
In my case, in Grade Six everyone did an introduction type course into
French and Latin.
If, in the end of year Exams, you did alright in those two courses, you continued in that "Languages" stream.
Otherwise you went the "Mathematics/Science" stream. Pick me!!
On 27/08/2025 09:01, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:01:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
None of the Royals are especially gifted with grey cells, but Harry
is as thick as his mum, which is pushing the boat out.
Diana? I thought she was okay but I don't keep track of the royalty.
-a QE2 once compared her to a house plant ...
Poor sod. He would have been far happier growing up in a council
estate and snorting crack.
That might explain his taste in gold diggers.-a At least she can almost
pass and doesn't have a thing for lip plates.As I said I don't follow
the royals but I gather the family doesn't really want them back.
So it goes when you have a long tradition of inbreeding.
-a Hey, keeps the 'divine right/power' concentrated in the blood of
-a course !
-a Now it you want SERIOUS inbreeding, try the Egyptians.
I thought it was Appalachia...?
On 27/08/2025 6:13 am, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 23:50:42 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:So a Hindu "Bible" sort of, more or less! ;-P
On 18/08/2025 10:39 am, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 21:36:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:When someone is sworn in as President of The U.S. of A. aren't they
It was the religious wars and the Anglican Church been forced on
everyone in the Colonies which lead to our Constitution protection
against the Establishment of Religion.
Whatever happened to that? Seems the current crowd in power want to
throw all that out ... in favour of their own religion, of course.
required to swear on The Bible?? Or is that a copy of The
Constitution??
Not as President but Tulsi Gabbard used the Bhagavad Gita. Given the
choice of the two I'd take the Gita.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 23:47:14 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 27/08/2025 6:13 am, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 23:50:42 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:So a Hindu "Bible" sort of, more or less! ;-P
On 18/08/2025 10:39 am, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 21:36:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:When someone is sworn in as President of The U.S. of A. aren't they
It was the religious wars and the Anglican Church been forced on
everyone in the Colonies which lead to our Constitution protection >>>>>> against the Establishment of Religion.
Whatever happened to that? Seems the current crowd in power want to
throw all that out ... in favour of their own religion, of course.
required to swear on The Bible?? Or is that a copy of The
Constitution??
Not as President but Tulsi Gabbard used the Bhagavad Gita. Given the
choice of the two I'd take the Gita.
Yeah, more or less. It gets into metaphysics but starts with Arjuna, a prince, and Krishna acting as his charioteer on a battlefield. Arjuna is a Kshatriya, the warrior and administrator caste, but is waffling since some
of his friends and relatives are on the other side. Krishna tells he is a warrior, and his duty (dharma) is to go to war. Quit whining and get to
it.
It's usually dated after the rise of Buddhism. Buddha was also a Kshatriya
as were as many of his followers and they went off to gaze at their navels rather than performing the role of their caste.
Most of the politicians swearing on a bible think their only duty is enriching themselves. They definitely aren't Kshatriya.
On 27/08/2025 05:29, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:01:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
None of the Royals are especially gifted with grey cells, but Harry is
as thick as his mum, which is pushing the boat out.
Diana? I thought she was okay but I don't keep track of the royalty.
Poor sod. He would have been far happier growing up in a council estate
and snorting crack.
That might explain his taste in gold diggers.-a At least she can almost
pass and doesn't have a thing for lip plates.As I said I don't follow the
royals but I gather the family doesn't really want them back.
So it goes when you have a long tradition of inbreeding.
Well Diana was fairly far from the Royals...she was a Spencer.
But then so was Camilla.Far from the Royals
And Kate Middleton is anything but. Solid middle class with a sane head
on her shoulders - the *real* 'peoples princess'...
On 27/08/2025 09:01, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:01:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
None of the Royals are especially gifted with grey cells, but Harry is >>>> as thick as his mum, which is pushing the boat out.
Diana? I thought she was okay but I don't keep track of the royalty.
-a-a QE2 once compared her to a house plant ...
Poor sod. He would have been far happier growing up in a council estate >>>> and snorting crack.
That might explain his taste in gold diggers.-a At least she can almost
pass and doesn't have a thing for lip plates.As I said I don't follow
the
royals but I gather the family doesn't really want them back.
So it goes when you have a long tradition of inbreeding.
-a-a Hey, keeps the 'divine right/power' concentrated
-a-a in the blood of course !
-a-a Now it you want SERIOUS inbreeding, try the Egyptians.
I thought it was Appalachia...?
That gave rise to multiple versions of Buddhism.,
On 27/08/2025 4:34 am, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/08/2025 14:14, Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/08/2025 8:01 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/08/2025 07:35, c186282 wrote:
<Snip>
The Queen Mum, making sure the kids were trained in using automatic
weapons in case the NAZIs showed up - THAT'S the kind of 'tough
chik' you want.
Hmm. They all are, in fact. Charles served in the forces,
Did HRH ever make it to a Two-Way Rifle Range?? You know the ones where
the other guys are shooting back.
Oh, hang on, he was a Pilot, wasn't he!
Chopper pilot. I think he also served as a rescue chopper pilot
Ah. O.K.
On 27/08/2025 6:01 pm, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:01:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
None of the Royals are especially gifted with grey cells, but Harry is >>>> as thick as his mum, which is pushing the boat out.
Diana? I thought she was okay but I don't keep track of the royalty.
-a-a QE2 once compared her to a house plant ...
but, maybe, Diana might have blossomed (to keep the plant theme going)
into a very nice Queen when/if she had grown up.
On 27/08/2025 6:19 am, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 23:37:41 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:In my case, in Grade Six everyone did an introduction type course into French and Latin.
On 16/08/2025 9:46 am, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:30:29 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Parents were unhappy with their kids getting low grades, so they
changed the education system to give them all full Marx...
When I briefly taught the classes used homogeneous groups, A, B, C, D. >>>> The kids, their parents, and everyone in the system understood D was
Dumb.
My High School had A, B, C, D, E, and F results. F was Fail!!
I don't think we had a E. Go directly to F. However I wasn't talking
about
grades. Even at the tail end of the Baby Boom classes were large. In the
school where I taught, there were 4 separate groups and they were sorted
by potential.
The D kids would probably be high school dropouts. C would take shop or
business courses and graduate. A were college bound. B was a crap shoot,
maybe community college.
If, in the end of year Exams, you did alright in those two courses, you continued in that "Languages" stream.
Otherwise you went the "Mathematics/Science" stream. Pick me!!
On 27/08/2025 6:13 am, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 23:50:42 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:So a Hindu "Bible" sort of, more or less! ;-P
On 18/08/2025 10:39 am, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 21:36:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:When someone is sworn in as President of The U.S. of A. aren't they
It was the religious wars and the Anglican Church been forced on
everyone in the Colonies which lead to our Constitution protection
against the Establishment of Religion.
Whatever happened to that? Seems the current crowd in power want to
throw all that out ... in favour of their own religion, of course.
required to swear on The Bible?? Or is that a copy of The Constitution??
Not as President but Tulsi Gabbard used the Bhagavad Gita. Given the
choice of the two I'd take the Gita.
On 27/08/2025 14:35, Daniel70 wrote:
On 27/08/2025 6:01 pm, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:01:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
None of the Royals are especially gifted with grey cells, but Harry is >>>>> as thick as his mum, which is pushing the boat out.
Diana? I thought she was okay but I don't keep track of the royalty.
-a-a QE2 once compared her to a house plant ...
but, maybe, Diana might have blossomed (to keep the plant theme going)
into a very nice Queen when/if she had grown up.
She wouldn't have grown up. Harry has married his mum....
I don't know if the term 'Scots-Irish' exists outside of the US but they
were Scots pure and simple.
Wonder why so many are just HOMELY ?
-a REALLY should deliberately interbreed with
-a like Thai and African royals ....
On 8/27/25 9:35 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 27/08/2025 6:01 pm, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:01:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
None of the Royals are especially gifted with grey cells, but Harry is >>>>> as thick as his mum, which is pushing the boat out.
Diana? I thought she was okay but I don't keep track of the royalty.
-a-a QE2 once compared her to a house plant ...
but, maybe, Diana might have blossomed (to keep the plant theme going)
into a very nice Queen when/if she had grown up.
-a Ummmmmmm ... probably not. She really WAS kinda thick.
-a Doesn't mean she was evil, just Not Very Smart.
-a Diana was basically some teen acid-head who was
-a informed that it'd been arranged to marry Chuckie.
-a She was good looking, press important, but NOT
-a really 'royal material'. The main idea was to put
-a Chuckie off Cammie ... inconvenient ! Bad optics !
-a Politics is mostly Image/Perception, little to do--
-a with 'reality' - just the "right impression".
-a Read yer Machiavelli ... nothing's changed.
-a Gossip gave way to Press gave way to Net - but
-a political necessity remains constant.
On 8/27/25 11:38 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/08/2025 14:35, Daniel70 wrote:
On 27/08/2025 6:01 pm, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:01:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
None of the Royals are especially gifted with grey cells, but
Harry is
as thick as his mum, which is pushing the boat out.
Diana? I thought she was okay but I don't keep track of the royalty.
-a-a QE2 once compared her to a house plant ...
but, maybe, Diana might have blossomed (to keep the plant theme
going) into a very nice Queen when/if she had grown up.
She wouldn't have grown up. Harry has married his mum....
-a Ummmmm ... kind of .........
-a Harry is a MESS on many levels.
-a He can blame PTSD or whatever, but I think
-a it's All Harry.
On 28/08/2025 04:29, c186282 wrote:
Wonder why so many are just HOMELY ?
-a-a REALLY should deliberately interbreed with
-a-a like Thai and African royals ....
Lol.
I think in the UK case Indian is more likely
On 8/28/25 5:28 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/08/2025 04:29, c186282 wrote:
Wonder why so many are just HOMELY ?
-a-a REALLY should deliberately interbreed with
-a-a like Thai and African royals ....
Lol.
I think in the UK case Indian is more likely
-a Agreed, "more likely" ... but maybe Not Enough
-a to fix centuries of inbreeding.
Heh heh ... grades 1-5 I was deemed an idiot. If I did anything good
the teachers would accuse me of cheating. Very much remember.
On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 02:59:48 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Heh heh ... grades 1-5 I was deemed an idiot. If I did anything good
the teachers would accuse me of cheating. Very much remember.
I was a sleeper in high school. Then came the SATs, the National Merit Scholarship exam, the NYS Regents scholarship exam and all of a sudden I
was being inducted into the National Honor Society. True to form, I had a pint in my locker and showed up half in the bag.
There was a prize for the highest biology score and I snagged that. Bad
move. A girl I thought was pretty hot who went on to become a surgeon had
her heart set on it.
Politics is mostly Image/Perception, little to do
with 'reality' - just the "right impression".
Read yer Machiavelli ... nothing's changed.
Gossip gave way to Press gave way to Net - but
political necessity remains constant.
More people! More consumers! More profit!
I tend to agree with Pentti Linkola.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 10:42:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/08/2025 09:01, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
-a Now it you want SERIOUS inbreeding, try the Egyptians.
I thought it was Appalachia...?
They learned it in the old country.
For a long time after The World wasn't INTERESTED in
this ... demanded paper-bearing dweeb "specialists"
because it "looked prestigious", or nothing. Their
loss, no wonder so much went to SHIT ........
"Wide" makes it a lot easier to detect BULLSHIT
and FRAUD. Not all employers WANT that ... pref
to go after Illusions instead and where it's easy
to threaten anybody who Knows Better.
Horrible. Dangerous. Destructive.
My idols ... the 50s/60s NASA people - the kind who
can turn notebooks and duct tape into lifesaving
solutions on short notice. THAT'S the sweet spot,
where you Get It Done.
On 2025-08-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
For a long time after The World wasn't INTERESTED in
this ... demanded paper-bearing dweeb "specialists"
because it "looked prestigious", or nothing. Their
loss, no wonder so much went to SHIT ........
"Wide" makes it a lot easier to detect BULLSHIT
and FRAUD. Not all employers WANT that ... pref
to go after Illusions instead and where it's easy
to threaten anybody who Knows Better.
Horrible. Dangerous. Destructive.
My idols ... the 50s/60s NASA people - the kind who
can turn notebooks and duct tape into lifesaving
solutions on short notice. THAT'S the sweet spot,
where you Get It Done.
+1
The saddest epiphany of my life was when I realized
that the goal in modern society isn't Getting It Done
but playing the political games. I've been avoiding
success ever since, and done a pretty good job of it.
Don't make yourself indispensible - that scares the hell
out of managers. But it works out well if you happen to
be handy to have around, especially when the excrement
strikes the rotating ventilation device.
On 2025-08-27, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 10:42:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/08/2025 09:01, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
-a Now it you want SERIOUS inbreeding, try the Egyptians.
I thought it was Appalachia...?
They learned it in the old country.
Rumour has it that it was inbreeding that made Charles II of Spain
a lantern-jawed idiot whose balls fell off.
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
Politics is mostly Image/Perception, little to do
with 'reality' - just the "right impression".
Read yer Machiavelli ... nothing's changed.
Gossip gave way to Press gave way to Net - but
political necessity remains constant.
Politicians may come and go, but greed goes on forever.
-- Nicholas van Rijn (a charater in Poul Anderson stories)
On 2025-08-27, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 10:42:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/08/2025 09:01, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
-a Now it you want SERIOUS inbreeding, try the Egyptians.
I thought it was Appalachia...?
They learned it in the old country.
Rumour has it that it was inbreeding that made Charles II of Spain
a lantern-jawed idiot whose balls fell off.
-a Frankly, a little inbreeding doesn't hurt much. Only
-a gets bad over a few generations. THEN you start to
-a get the "Deliverance" kind of folks. (cue banjos)
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 23:43:20 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
In my case, in Grade Six everyone did an introduction type course into
French and Latin.
If, in the end of year Exams, you did alright in those two courses, you
continued in that "Languages" stream.
Otherwise you went the "Mathematics/Science" stream. Pick me!!
British Grade 6?
I don't know about today but when I was a student
languages other than English didn't happen until the Grade 10 equivalent. There wasn't a Middle or Jr. High School only K-8 and then off to High
School (Grade 10) Kindergarten wasn't a 'grade'.
On 29/08/2025 4:50 pm, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-08-27, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:"lantern-jawed"??
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 10:42:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/08/2025 09:01, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
-a -a Now it you want SERIOUS inbreeding, try the Egyptians.
I thought it was Appalachia...?
They learned it in the old country.
Rumour has it that it was inbreeding that made Charles II of Spain
a lantern-jawed idiot whose balls fell off.
On 28/08/2025 1:42 pm, c186282 wrote:
<Snip>
-a-a Frankly, a little inbreeding doesn't hurt much. Only
-a-a gets bad over a few generations. THEN you start to
-a-a get the "Deliverance" kind of folks. (cue banjos)
Wellllll, if you believe The Bible, WE all came from just Adam and Eve
and their son Cain (or was it Able that killed Cain??)!!
Inbreeding anyone!
On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 02:59:48 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Heh heh ... grades 1-5 I was deemed an idiot. If I did anything good
the teachers would accuse me of cheating. Very much remember.
I was a sleeper in high school. Then came the SATs, the National Merit Scholarship exam, the NYS Regents scholarship exam and all of a sudden I
was being inducted into the National Honor Society. True to form, I had a pint in my locker and showed up half in the bag.
There was a prize for the highest biology score and I snagged that. Bad
move. A girl I thought was pretty hot who went on to become a surgeon had
her heart set on it.
On 28/08/2025 8:04 am, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 23:43:20 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
In my case, in Grade Six everyone did an introduction type course into
French and Latin.
If, in the end of year Exams, you did alright in those two courses, you
continued in that "Languages" stream.
Otherwise you went the "Mathematics/Science" stream. Pick me!!
British Grade 6?
Australian Grade 6.
I don't know about today but when I was a studentAustralia
languages other than English didn't happen until the Grade 10 equivalent.
There wasn't a Middle or Jr. High School only K-8 and then off to High
School (Grade 10) Kindergarten wasn't a 'grade'.
Primary Grades 1 through 6. Grade 0/Prep/Bubs at some schools >Secondary Grades 7 through 12 (or Forms 1 through 6) although Grade 10 >is known as Leaving ... because by that time kids should be 15y.o. or
more so could legally leave school.
Tertiary University/Trade School.
--
Daniel70
On 2025-08-27, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 10:42:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/08/2025 09:01, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
-a Now it you want SERIOUS inbreeding, try the Egyptians.
I thought it was Appalachia...?
They learned it in the old country.
Rumour has it that it was inbreeding that made Charles II of Spain
a lantern-jawed idiot whose balls fell off.
On 29/08/2025 12:33, Daniel70 wrote:
On 29/08/2025 4:50 pm, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-08-27, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:"lantern-jawed"??
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 10:42:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/08/2025 09:01, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 12:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
-a -a Now it you want SERIOUS inbreeding, try the Egyptians.
I thought it was Appalachia...?
They learned it in the old country.
Rumour has it that it was inbreeding that made Charles II of Spain
a lantern-jawed idiot whose balls fell off.
Look it up. Or-a Think 'woody'
On 29/08/2025 12:46, Daniel70 wrote:
On 28/08/2025 1:42 pm, c186282 wrote:
<Snip>
-a-a Frankly, a little inbreeding doesn't hurt much. Only
-a-a gets bad over a few generations. THEN you start to
-a-a get the "Deliverance" kind of folks. (cue banjos)
Wellllll, if you believe The Bible, WE all came from just Adam and Eve
and their son Cain (or was it Able that killed Cain??)!!
Inbreeding anyone!
If you believe DNA we shrank to a little over 1000 individuals at one
time in the past
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:54:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:24:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Germans like Following Rules very much. It makes them feel secure.
The problem comes when they start making them
DidnrCOt they pretty much invent Protestantism? (Martin Luther etc).
Sort of. The Lutherans are one step removed from Catholicism. A few years back when ecumenism was popular the Catholics asked the Lutherans what the doctrinal sticking points were, figuring that was a good place to start.
The Lutherans said "we'll have to get back to you on that."
It took John Calvin to really bring out the weirdness. 'You're predestined--
to heaven or hell and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. If
your rich and successful it's a good indicator you're going to heaven. If you're poor, there's nothing we can do for you since you're gong to hell anyway.'
On 16/08/2025 7:21 pm, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:54:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:24:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Germans like Following Rules very much. It makes them feel secure.
The problem comes when they start making them
DidnrCOt they pretty much invent Protestantism? (Martin Luther etc).
Sort of. The Lutherans are one step removed from Catholicism. A few
years back when ecumenism was popular the Catholics asked the Lutherans
what the doctrinal sticking points were, figuring that was a good place
to start. The Lutherans said "we'll have to get back to you on that."
I think one of my Uncles said back in the 80/90's "They (the Lutherans)
were the first out. They'll be the first back in."
Waiting!! Waiting!!
On 29/08/2025 10:25 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/08/2025 12:46, Daniel70 wrote:Is that right?? Who would'a'thunk??
On 28/08/2025 1:42 pm, c186282 wrote:
<Snip>
-a-a Frankly, a little inbreeding doesn't hurt much. Only
-a-a gets bad over a few generations. THEN you start to
-a-a get the "Deliverance" kind of folks. (cue banjos)
Wellllll, if you believe The Bible, WE all came from just Adam and
Eve and their son Cain (or was it Able that killed Cain??)!!
Inbreeding anyone!
If you believe DNA we shrank to a little over 1000 individuals at one
time in the past
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 00:12:10 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 16/08/2025 7:21 pm, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:54:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:24:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Germans like Following Rules very much. It makes them feel secure.
The problem comes when they start making them
DidnrCOt they pretty much invent Protestantism? (Martin Luther etc).
Sort of. The Lutherans are one step removed from Catholicism. A few
years back when ecumenism was popular the Catholics asked the Lutherans
what the doctrinal sticking points were, figuring that was a good place
to start. The Lutherans said "we'll have to get back to you on that."
I think one of my Uncles said back in the 80/90's "They (the Lutherans)
were the first out. They'll be the first back in."
Waiting!! Waiting!!
At least in the US the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (screaming liberals) is too busy fighting with the Lutheran Church -- Missouri Synod (traditional) to present a common front to the Catholics. The Catholics
have their own little civil war going on too.
On 31/08/2025 6:41 am, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 00:12:10 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:Oh!! What about??
On 16/08/2025 7:21 pm, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:54:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:24:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Germans like Following Rules very much. It makes them feel secure. >>>>>> The problem comes when they start making them
DidnrCOt they pretty much invent Protestantism? (Martin Luther etc).
Sort of. The Lutherans are one step removed from Catholicism. A few
years back when ecumenism was popular the Catholics asked the Lutherans >>>> what the doctrinal sticking points were, figuring that was a good place >>>> to start. The Lutherans said "we'll have to get back to you on that."
I think one of my Uncles said back in the 80/90's "They (the Lutherans)
were the first out. They'll be the first back in."
Waiting!! Waiting!!
At least in the US the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (screaming
liberals) is too busy fighting with the Lutheran Church -- Missouri Synod
(traditional) to present a common front to the Catholics. The Catholics
have their own little civil war going on too.
On 2025-08-31 13:48, Daniel70 wrote:
On 31/08/2025 6:41 am, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 00:12:10 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:Oh!! What about??
On 16/08/2025 7:21 pm, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:54:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:24:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Germans like Following Rules very much. It makes them
feel secure. The problem comes when they start making
them
DidnrCOt they pretty much invent Protestantism? (Martin
Luther etc).
Sort of. The Lutherans are one step removed from Catholicism.
A few years back when ecumenism was popular the Catholics
asked the Lutherans what the doctrinal sticking points were,
figuring that was a good place to start. The Lutherans said
"we'll have to get back to you on that."
I think one of my Uncles said back in the 80/90's "They (the
Lutherans) were the first out. They'll be the first back in."
Waiting!! Waiting!!
At least in the US the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
(screaming liberals) is too busy fighting with the Lutheran
Church -- Missouri Synod (traditional) to present a common front
to the Catholics. The Catholics have their own little civil war
going on too.
I'm not aware of any particular war :-?
Maybe traditionalism vs intense change.
On 31/08/2025 6:41 am, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 00:12:10 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:Oh!! What about??
On 16/08/2025 7:21 pm, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:54:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:24:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Germans like Following Rules very much. It makes them feel secure. >>>>>> The problem comes when they start making them
DidnrCOt they pretty much invent Protestantism? (Martin Luther etc).
Sort of. The Lutherans are one step removed from Catholicism. A few
years back when ecumenism was popular the Catholics asked the
Lutherans what the doctrinal sticking points were, figuring that was
a good place to start. The Lutherans said "we'll have to get back to
you on that."
I think one of my Uncles said back in the 80/90's "They (the
Lutherans)
were the first out. They'll be the first back in."
Waiting!! Waiting!!
At least in the US the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
(screaming liberals) is too busy fighting with the Lutheran Church --
Missouri Synod (traditional) to present a common front to the
Catholics. The Catholics have their own little civil war going on too.
On 31/08/2025 6:41 am, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 00:12:10 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:Oh!! What about??
On 16/08/2025 7:21 pm, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:54:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:24:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Germans like Following Rules very much. It makes them feel secure. >>>>>> The problem comes when they start making them
DidnrCOt they pretty much invent Protestantism? (Martin Luther etc).
Sort of. The Lutherans are one step removed from Catholicism. A few
years back when ecumenism was popular the Catholics asked the Lutherans >>>> what the doctrinal sticking points were, figuring that was a good place >>>> to start. The Lutherans said "we'll have to get back to you on that."
I think one of my Uncles said back in the 80/90's "They (the Lutherans)
were the first out. They'll be the first back in."
Waiting!! Waiting!!
At least in the US the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (screaming
liberals) is too busy fighting with the Lutheran Church -- Missouri Synod
(traditional) to present a common front to the Catholics. The Catholics
have their own little civil war going on too.
On 31/08/2025 10:42 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-31 13:48, Daniel70 wrote:
On 31/08/2025 6:41 am, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 00:12:10 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 16/08/2025 7:21 pm, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:54:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:24:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
I'd guess ..... Either Women Priests or Married Priests.At least in the US the Evangelical Lutheran Church in AmericaOh!! What about??
(screaming liberals) is too busy fighting with the Lutheran
Church -- Missouri Synod (traditional) to present a common front
to the Catholics. The Catholics have their own little civil war
going on too.
I'm not aware of any particular war :-?
Maybe traditionalism vs intense change.
It gets me that the Catholic Church Administration would prefer Men--
giving "Communion Services" rather than allowing either Married Male
Priests and/or Married/Unmarried Women Priests.
Admittedly, the Congregations I've seen recently are so small just
having fewer Mass' said by "flying squad" Priests is still a possibility!!
Admittedly, the Congregations I've seen recently are so small just
having fewer Mass' said by "flying squad" Priests is still a
possibility!!
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 23:38:56 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
Admittedly, the Congregations I've seen recently are so small just
having fewer Mass' said by "flying squad" Priests is still a
possibility!!
There is a flying SSPV priest squad that comes here on the 2nd, 4th, and
5th Sundays to hold a traditional Latin Mass. They go to Billings on the
1st, 3rd, and 5th Sundays.
First there was the Society of Saint Pius X that was formed by the traditionalists after Vatican II. I'm not sure about their current status.
I think they're sort of recognized by the Vatican. The Society of Saint
Pius V was formed by a group of priests who broke away over the use of the 1962 liturgy. They're straight sedevacantist and don't think there has
been a legitimate Pope since Pius XII died in '58.
I've never been to their services since a suit, or at least a sport coat,
and tie is required. There's tradition and then there's going to far. A friend mentioned there is a church that sneaks in a Latin Mass although I don't think it's the full Tridentine version.
It leaves the lay Catholics with a confusing situation. Is a Mass
celebrated by one of the canonically irregular groups valid?
Society here is tending towards voting right, with some increasing
percent extreme right, which means conservative thinking is on the rise.
With that background, I don't expect "progress" in the Church.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 21:53:26 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Society here is tending towards voting right, with some increasing
percent extreme right, which means conservative thinking is on the rise.
With that background, I don't expect "progress" in the Church.
We'll see. I had hopes for Benedict but he realized the Jesuit Mafia was beyond control and decided to spend his remaining years in peace. Leo
would have done better to stop talking before he got to "Let us plead God
to stop the pandemic of arms, large and small, which infects our world.rCY