• Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout

    From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Sep 30 21:14:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 30/09/2025 18:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    System failure caused by networkrCOs inability to control grid voltage
    said to be behind outage in Spain and Portugal

    And the reason the grid could not be controlled is the amount of
    renewable energy that was online.
    --
    A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on
    its shoes.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Sep 30 22:22:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a reliable
    source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin.

    Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a BritishrCoRussian political
    commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the
    Triggernometry podcast.

    Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
    So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking to you
    at all is there?
    Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

    I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source, specially
    if long.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Sep 30 22:22:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-09-30 22:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 18:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    System failure caused by networkrCOs inability to control grid voltage
    said to be behind outage in Spain and Portugal

    And the reason the grid could not be controlled is the amount of
    renewable energy that was online.


    ROTFL
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Sep 30 22:45:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 22:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 18:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    System failure caused by networkrCOs inability to control grid voltage
    said to be behind outage in Spain and Portugal

    And the reason the grid could not be controlled is the amount of
    renewable energy that was online.


    ROTFL

    I love a good denier in the mornimg
    --
    rCLIt is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people
    who pay no price for being wrong.rCY

    Thomas Sowell

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Sep 30 22:45:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a reliable >>>>> source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin.

    Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a BritishrCoRussian political
    commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the
    Triggernometry podcast.

    Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
    So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking to
    you at all is there?
    Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

    I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source, specially
    if long.


    Why?
    Afraid you might learn something?
    --
    rCLIt is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people
    who pay no price for being wrong.rCY

    Thomas Sowell

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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 00:28:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a
    reliable source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin. >>>>
    Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a BritishrCoRussian political
    commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the
    Triggernometry podcast.

    Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
    So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking to
    you at all is there?
    Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

    I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source,
    specially if long.


    Why?
    Afraid you might learn something?


    Not wasting my time
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Sep 30 18:45:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc



    On 9/30/25 15:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a
    reliable source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin. >>>>>
    Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a BritishrCoRussian political
    commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the
    Triggernometry podcast.

    Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
    So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking to
    you at all is there?
    Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

    The first thing to fall out of an open mind is a realistic view of reality.


    I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source,
    specially if long.


    Why?
    Afraid you might learn something?


    Not wasting my time

    I second that opinion. Enough time is wasted on videos from
    known sources. Video is for a person reading, a waste of time.

    bliss
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 09:19:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a
    reliable source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin. >>>>>
    Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a BritishrCoRussian political
    commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the
    Triggernometry podcast.

    Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
    So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking to
    you at all is there?
    Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

    I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source,
    specially if long.


    Why?
    Afraid you might learn something?


    Not wasting my time

    I'll take that as a yes..
    --
    "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

    Josef Stalin


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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 11:20:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-01 10:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a
    reliable source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich
    Kisin.

    Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a BritishrCoRussian political
    commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the
    Triggernometry podcast.

    Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
    So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking
    to you at all is there?
    Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

    I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source,
    specially if long.


    Why?
    Afraid you might learn something?


    Not wasting my time

    I'll take that as a yes..


    The more you insist the more I'm convinced I'm right in my decision to
    not waste my time with that video.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 12:20:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 01/10/2025 10:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-01 10:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a
    reliable source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich >>>>>>> Kisin.

    Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a BritishrCoRussian political
    commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the
    Triggernometry podcast.

    Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
    So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking >>>>>> to you at all is there?
    Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

    I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source,
    specially if long.


    Why?
    Afraid you might learn something?


    Not wasting my time

    I'll take that as a yes..


    The more you insist the more I'm convinced I'm right in my decision to
    not waste my time with that video.

    Classic cancel/denial behaviour.
    I just wanted to make sure as to whether you were simply misinformed, or prejudiced
    Now its is clearly the latter, there is no point in presenting rational arguments, so I wont.
    Bye
    --
    "It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's" Joew Walsh

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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 13:45:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-01 13:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 01/10/2025 10:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-01 10:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a >>>>>>>>>> reliable source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich >>>>>>>> Kisin.

    Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a BritishrCoRussian political
    commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the
    Triggernometry podcast.

    Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say >>>>>>> So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking >>>>>>> to you at all is there?
    Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

    I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source,
    specially if long.


    Why?
    Afraid you might learn something?


    Not wasting my time

    I'll take that as a yes..


    The more you insist the more I'm convinced I'm right in my decision to
    not waste my time with that video.

    Classic cancel/denial behaviour.
    I just wanted to make sure as to whether you were simply misinformed, or prejudiced
    Now its is clearly the latter, there is no point in presenting rational arguments, so I wont.
    Bye

    Classic bulshit.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 09:25:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc



    On 10/1/25 02:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-01 10:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a
    reliable source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich >>>>>>> Kisin.

    Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a BritishrCoRussian political
    commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the
    Triggernometry podcast.

    Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
    So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking >>>>>> to you at all is there?
    Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

    I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source,
    specially if long.


    Why?
    Afraid you might learn something?


    Not wasting my time

    I'll take that as a yes..


    The more you insist the more I'm convinced I'm right in my decision to
    not waste my time with that video.


    And I strangely enough agree with you that there is not enough
    time in a life to watch bad videos made as propaganda for a reactionarly
    POV in which pumping the atmosphere full of millions of years of carbon
    is considered a "good thing".

    bliss
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 09:35:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc



    On 10/1/25 04:45, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-01 13:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 01/10/2025 10:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-01 10:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a >>>>>>>>>>> reliable source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich >>>>>>>>> Kisin.

    Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a BritishrCoRussian political >>>>>>>>> commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the
    Triggernometry podcast.

    Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say >>>>>>>> So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point
    talking to you at all is there?
    Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

    I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source,
    specially if long.


    Why?
    Afraid you might learn something?


    Not wasting my time

    I'll take that as a yes..


    The more you insist the more I'm convinced I'm right in my decision
    to not waste my time with that video.

    Classic cancel/denial behaviour.
    I just wanted to make sure as to whether you were simply misinformed,
    or prejudiced
    Now its is clearly the latter, there is no point in presenting
    rational arguments, so I wont.
    Bye

    Classic bulshit.


    Well of course. The Natch has been pumping it out for years and
    don't expect him to make sense except perhaps on technical matters.

    Linux relevance: Gnome 49 will have x11 capabilities but
    Gnome 50 will be dependent on Wayland.
    Discuss.

    bliss
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 19:22:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-01 18:35, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 10/1/25 04:45, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    ...

    -a-a-a-aLinux relevance: Gnome 49 will have x11 capabilities but
    Gnome 50 will be dependent on Wayland.
    -a-a-a-aDiscuss.

    Gnome 49 has been a disaster in openSUSE Tumbleweed, according to this
    thread: <https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/message/A7SX5DWWK42VXYM3WTTJJQFV3FD7B5HE/>
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 18:31:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 01/10/2025 17:25, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 10/1/25 02:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-01 10:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a >>>>>>>>>> reliable source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich >>>>>>>> Kisin.

    Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a BritishrCoRussian political
    commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the
    Triggernometry podcast.

    Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say >>>>>>> So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking >>>>>>> to you at all is there?
    Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

    I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source,
    specially if long.


    Why?
    Afraid you might learn something?


    Not wasting my time

    I'll take that as a yes..


    The more you insist the more I'm convinced I'm right in my decision to
    not waste my time with that video.


    -a-a-a-aAnd I strangely enough agree with you that there is not enough
    time in a life to watch bad videos made as propaganda for a reactionarly
    POV in which pumping the atmosphere full of millions of years of carbon
    is considered a "good thing".

    Careful bliss.
    It isn't a propaganda video and it says nothing about climate change.
    Kathryn Porter is a lady with a degree, and a brain who worked in
    finance and then specialised in the economics of energy production.

    That you cannot escape your own politically bigoted worldview is sad.
    Kathryn is smart, a woman, educated and British.

    Not some dumb MAGA supporter.

    -a-a-a-abliss
    --
    "In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is
    true: it is true because it is powerful."

    Lucas Bergkamp

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 18:33:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 01/10/2025 17:35, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Well of course.-a The Natch has been pumping it out for years and
    -adon't expect him to make sense except perhaps on technical matters.

    Which is exactly what the conversation was about. My speciality. Energy production and the engineering and financing of it.
    --
    No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.

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  • From John Ames@commodorejohn@gmail.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 10:48:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 19:22:42 +0200
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    Linux relevance: Gnome 49 will have x11 capabilities but Gnome 50
    will be dependent on Wayland. Discuss.

    Gnome 49 has been a disaster in openSUSE Tumbleweed, according to
    this thread: <https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/message/A7SX5DWWK42VXYM3WTTJJQFV3FD7B5HE/>

    When I'm king, every hour lost to the incompetence and carelessness of autocratic Design Divas making breaking changes with no fallback mode
    will be tallied up and extracted from the parties responsible by means
    of imprisonment in a cell where they will be forced to work at puzzles
    with no solution.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 11:16:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc



    On 10/1/25 10:48, John Ames wrote:
    On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 19:22:42 +0200
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    Linux relevance: Gnome 49 will have x11 capabilities but Gnome 50
    will be dependent on Wayland. Discuss.

    Gnome 49 has been a disaster in openSUSE Tumbleweed, according to
    this thread:
    <https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/message/A7SX5DWWK42VXYM3WTTJJQFV3FD7B5HE/>

    When I'm king, every hour lost to the incompetence and carelessness of autocratic Design Divas making breaking changes with no fallback mode
    will be tallied up and extracted from the parties responsible by means
    of imprisonment in a cell where they will be forced to work at puzzles
    with no solution.


    Well Prince John of Ames, I would support that program. Notify us when you
    are coronated King of All Linux Desktop Environments. The promulgate
    your rules
    before you fill up the cells and provide them with new KMahjongg with
    winnable
    games turned off.

    bliss

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 18:47:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 11:16:05 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    Well Prince John of Ames, I would support that program. Notify us
    when
    you
    are coronated King of All Linux Desktop Environments. The promulgate
    your rules before you fill up the cells and provide them with new
    KMahjongg with winnable games turned off.

    https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-mahjongg

    I don't think the GNOME version has seasons and flowers. I always have problems matching them in KMahjong except clicking to see if they go.
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 15:38:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc



    On 10/1/25 11:47, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 11:16:05 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    Well Prince John of Ames, I would support that program. Notify us
    when
    you
    are coronated King of All Linux Desktop Environments. The promulgate
    your rules before you fill up the cells and provide them with new
    KMahjongg with winnable games turned off.

    https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-mahjongg

    I don't think the GNOME version has seasons and flowers. I always have problems matching them in KMahjong except clicking to see if they go.

    Gnome-mahjogg has them in the original Chinese characters not prettied up for us Western barbarians. Also as far as I can see no way to make
    sure it
    gives winning games or maybe it is set up to give nothing but winning games. But in KMahjongg you can set it to generated random games that may be unwinnable. My suggested modification would make it generate unwinnable
    games for the developers so imprisoned and to be their only form of
    recreation. And they must play a game every hour or more often to be
    fed. I played KMahjongg as a frequent test of my mentation.

    bliss

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Thu Oct 2 04:24:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 15:38:46 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    Gnome-mahjogg has them in the original Chinese characters not
    prettied
    up for us Western barbarians. Also as far as I can see no way to make
    sure it gives winning games or maybe it is set up to give nothing but
    winning games.
    But in KMahjongg you can set it to generated random games that may be unwinnable. My suggested modification would make it generate unwinnable games for the developers so imprisoned and to be their only form of recreation. And they must play a game every hour or more often to be
    fed. I played KMahjongg as a frequent test of my mentation.

    Interesting. I have selected different layouts for KMahjong but never
    noticed the always solvable button. I assumed, like Klondike or other solitaire games, that some were not solvable. There never seemed to be
    many points where a strategy would be useful.
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 1 22:22:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc



    On 10/1/25 21:24, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 15:38:46 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    Gnome-mahjogg has them in the original Chinese characters not
    prettied
    up for us Western barbarians. Also as far as I can see no way to make
    sure it gives winning games or maybe it is set up to give nothing but
    winning games.
    But in KMahjongg you can set it to generated random games that may be
    unwinnable. My suggested modification would make it generate unwinnable
    games for the developers so imprisoned and to be their only form of
    recreation. And they must play a game every hour or more often to be
    fed. I played KMahjongg as a frequent test of my mentation.

    Interesting. I have selected different layouts for KMahjong but never
    noticed the always solvable button. I assumed, like Klondike or other solitaire games, that some were not solvable. There never seemed to be
    many points where a strategy would be useful.

    In solitaire KMahjongg the only strategy that is useful is to try and find
    the most distant matchng tiles and get the underlying tiles unconvered, so
    that you can get to them both in a horizontal and vertical way. But the better
    the randomizing engine works the less useful any strategy is.

    Just my very humble opinion and it very humble. I win about 1 of 8 games
    which is very humbling. But yet I persist. Possibely this is a game
    strategy to
    keep one coming back to the game.
    At one poing in my life I played the most rigid form of Klondike with real card while waiting for phone calls to make my pitch. I wore the
    printing
    off the cards. Playing Klondike is far easier and the card do not wear out. Some days my hands are too weak to shuffle the stiff plastic cards.
    Pasteboards forever though of course they won't last that long.

    bliss

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Thu Oct 2 07:20:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 22:22:50 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    Just my very humble opinion and it very humble. I win about 1 of
    8
    games
    which is very humbling. But yet I persist. Possibely this is a game strategy to keep one coming back to the game.

    https://psychexamreview.com/schedules-of-reinforcement/

    Variable ratio reinforcement is best for prolonging the behavior. Works
    for rats. Neither version has statistics other than the time for
    successful games. Both solitaire versions do have the win/loss ratio. For Klondike it runs between 25 to 30% but I play the loose rules, turning the cards over one at a time with unlimited repeats.
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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Thu Oct 2 11:13:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-01, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    On 10/1/25 10:48, John Ames wrote:
    On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 19:22:42 +0200
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    [the unattributed deeper level is by Bobbie Sellers if I'm reading the
    thread view correctly?:]

    Linux relevance: Gnome 49 will have x11 capabilities but Gnome 50
    will be dependent on Wayland. Discuss.

    Gnome 49 has been a disaster in openSUSE Tumbleweed, according to
    this thread:
    <https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/message/A7SX5DWWK42VXYM3WTTJJQFV3FD7B5HE/>

    When I'm king, every hour lost to the incompetence and carelessness of
    autocratic Design Divas making breaking changes with no fallback mode
    will be tallied up and extracted from the parties responsible by means
    of imprisonment in a cell where they will be forced to work at puzzles
    with no solution.


    Well Prince John of Ames, I would support that program. Notify us when you
    are coronated King of All Linux Desktop Environments. The promulgate
    your rules
    before you fill up the cells and provide them with new KMahjongg with winnable
    games turned off.

    Question: Would John also rule over those using Window Managers and also
    those using terminals (so with no X11 or Wayland in the loop)?

    Also, what happens if one uses both a DE and a terminal? Would one need
    a travel document?


    And: I guess such a modified KMahjongg from King Joshua... er I mean
    John could be called "Global Thermonuclear War"?
    --
    Nuno Silva
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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Thu Oct 2 11:17:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-01, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    On 10/1/25 11:47, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 11:16:05 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    Well Prince John of Ames, I would support that program. Notify us
    when
    you
    are coronated King of All Linux Desktop Environments. The promulgate
    your rules before you fill up the cells and provide them with new
    KMahjongg with winnable games turned off.

    https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-mahjongg

    I don't think the GNOME version has seasons and flowers. I always have
    problems matching them in KMahjong except clicking to see if they go.

    Gnome-mahjogg has them in the original Chinese characters not prettied up for us Western barbarians. Also as far as I can see no way to make
    sure it
    gives winning games or maybe it is set up to give nothing but winning games. But in KMahjongg you can set it to generated random games that may be unwinnable. My suggested modification would make it generate unwinnable games for the developers so imprisoned and to be their only form of recreation. And they must play a game every hour or more often to be
    fed. I played KMahjongg as a frequent test of my mentation.

    I think I could go tweak sudoku generating-solving code so that it only
    returns unsolvable puzzles. But that'd be so cruel it'd probably be a
    crime against humankind, so I'll steer clear of that...
    --
    Nuno Silva
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Thu Oct 2 11:19:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 01/10/2025 18:48, John Ames wrote:
    When I'm king, every hour lost to the incompetence and carelessness of autocratic Design Divas making breaking changes with no fallback mode
    will be tallied up and extracted from the parties responsible by means
    of imprisonment in a cell where they will be forced to work at puzzles
    with no solution.

    In real companies to who zero bugs was a requirement, they had to go
    back and fix the code themselves and make it comprehensible enough for
    the supervisor to understand it.

    COBOL was something it was hard to write incomprehensible statements in.
    Which is why COBOL code is still operating today.
    --
    No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Thu Oct 2 12:04:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 02/10/2025 11:17, Nuno Silva wrote:
    I think I could go tweak sudoku generating-solving code so that it only returns unsolvable puzzles. But that'd be so cruel it'd probably be a
    crime against humankind, so I'll steer clear of that...

    It becomes fairly obvious that a sudoku puzzle is insoluble...or has
    multiple solutions.
    --
    All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
    all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
    fully understood.


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  • From Jim Jackson@jj@franjam.org.uk to comp.os.linux.misc on Thu Oct 2 11:18:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-01, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:


    On 10/1/25 10:48, John Ames wrote:
    On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 19:22:42 +0200
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    Linux relevance: Gnome 49 will have x11 capabilities but Gnome 50
    will be dependent on Wayland. Discuss.

    Gnome 49 has been a disaster in openSUSE Tumbleweed, according to
    this thread:
    <https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/message/A7SX5DWWK42VXYM3WTTJJQFV3FD7B5HE/>

    When I'm king, every hour lost to the incompetence and carelessness of
    autocratic Design Divas making breaking changes with no fallback mode
    will be tallied up and extracted from the parties responsible by means
    of imprisonment in a cell where they will be forced to work at puzzles
    with no solution.


    Well Prince John of Ames, I would support that program. Notify us when you
    are coronated King of All Linux Desktop Environments. The promulgate
    your rules
    before you fill up the cells and provide them with new KMahjongg with winnable
    games turned off.

    bliss


    Yeah. Not used gnome since its very early days - when it seemed
    promising. The 'we know best' approach started over 20 years ago!
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  • From John Ames@commodorejohn@gmail.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Thu Oct 2 07:46:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 11:13:48 +0100
    Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Question: Would John also rule over those using Window Managers and
    also those using terminals (so with no X11 or Wayland in the loop)?

    Also, what happens if one uses both a DE and a terminal? Would one
    need a travel document?

    Terminal-land doesn't seem to be afflicted with many Design Divas in
    the first place. I don't know if that's because they're not technically
    adept enough to hack it there, or if it's just that a smaller niche of
    users doesn't offer as many opportunities to shove their Brilliant
    Ideas in everyone else's face, but it's certainly convenient for the
    terminal junkies.

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  • From Jim Jackson@jj@franjam.org.uk to comp.os.linux.misc on Thu Oct 2 16:12:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-02, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 11:13:48 +0100
    Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Question: Would John also rule over those using Window Managers and
    also those using terminals (so with no X11 or Wayland in the loop)?

    Also, what happens if one uses both a DE and a terminal? Would one
    need a travel document?

    Terminal-land doesn't seem to be afflicted with many Design Divas in
    the first place.

    Maybe, but the writers of terminal emulator software seem very prolific
    to no generally good purpose. But then I'm an xterm user.

    I don't know if that's because they're not technically
    adept enough to hack it there, or if it's just that a smaller niche of
    users doesn't offer as many opportunities to shove their Brilliant
    Ideas in everyone else's face, but it's certainly convenient for the
    terminal junkies.

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  • From John Ames@commodorejohn@gmail.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Thu Oct 2 09:38:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 16:12:59 -0000 (UTC)
    Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

    Terminal-land doesn't seem to be afflicted with many Design Divas in
    the first place.

    Maybe, but the writers of terminal emulator software seem very
    prolific to no generally good purpose. But then I'm an xterm user.

    There seem to be three categories of terminal emulator: ones written to
    suit one particular weirdo's specific use case/preference, ones written
    because every single DE is bound by law to have its own branded spin on
    the generic functionality provided by a common library, and xterm.

    (rxvt spinoffs are practically a whole sub-branch under category A.)

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Thu Oct 2 19:03:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-02, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    COBOL was something it was hard to write incomprehensible statements in. Which is why COBOL code is still operating today.

    At a PPOE, our inside sales manager, Al Tannock, walked in
    and said to our new department head, "Say something in COBOL."
    Our guy shot back: "EXAMINE ROOM REPLACING ALL TANNOCKS WITH SPACES."
    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 3 00:04:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-02, John Ames wrote:

    On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 11:13:48 +0100
    Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Question: Would John also rule over those using Window Managers and
    also those using terminals (so with no X11 or Wayland in the loop)?

    Also, what happens if one uses both a DE and a terminal? Would one
    need a travel document?

    Terminal-land doesn't seem to be afflicted with many Design Divas in
    the first place. I don't know if that's because they're not technically
    adept enough to hack it there, or if it's just that a smaller niche of
    users doesn't offer as many opportunities to shove their Brilliant
    Ideas in everyone else's face, but it's certainly convenient for the
    terminal junkies.

    There have, sadly, been brilliant ideas along the lines of "all
    terminals support colors".

    Or "all terminals can display UCS easily", or "all terminals support
    utf8".
    --
    Nuno Silva
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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 3 09:21:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-09-29, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-09-29 21:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-29 20:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA


    Too long.

    Besides the concern below, and certain keywords in the video metadata
    and thumbnail that make it highly likely that this is just 90 minutes of far-right nonsense, is there a transcript one could read instead of
    having to go through 90 minutes of this?

    Not trustable.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Konstantin_Kisin

    'Right-wing wokeism' and Soviet Trauma

    Can anyone look into & add some details on what is, in MY view at
    least, clearly a STRONG bias towards (alt-?)rightist & conservative
    points of view? To what extent (insofar at all, of course) is Kisin
    running the risk of achieving exactly the OPPOSITE of what he CLAIMS
    to stand/aim for, by actually *fanning* the flames of the modern day
    societal strife that we are dealing with, e.g. by being (overly?)
    critical of being 'woke'? How much does he NOT actually appreciate
    Western society for what it is, and only help to dramatize matters and potentially bring very important things (such as institutions) down,
    even further? In the worst case, (someone like) Kisin is actually DELIBERATELY doing this sort of thing, out of convictions that might
    be more or less well communicated to, or rather hidden from the
    public. Perhaps it is a form of lingering trauma from living with
    Soviet and immediate post-Soviet trauma - that does NOT give him the
    right NOR credits to actually *undermine* Western society, though. It
    would do the overall integrity of Wikipedia well to address this
    matter specifically, though only insofar it can occur in as neutral a
    manner as possible, of course.
    --
    Nuno Silva
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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 3 09:50:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-09-30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    [...]
    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a reliable
    source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Yoiu didn't even get that far did you?

    It's 90 minutes, the day only has around 24 hours, 16 usable, you don't
    get to pick a long video and then attack people for not watching it
    fully this way. If Carlos were pretending he did watch, that'd be
    something else...

    And I don't trust right wing sources. I'm tired of their many proven
    lies in my country.

    Its not a 'right wing source.' Its a politically neutral analysis by
    the UKs foremost researcher into energy markets.

    [citation needed]


    "Kathryn Porter is an independent energy consultant. She holds a
    Master's degree in Physics and an MBA, and is an associate member of
    the All-Party Parliamentary Group for Energy Studies executive council
    "

    Your bigotry is now impossible to hide.

    Actually, consider that you started this thread to continue debating the blackout, and you didn't even go further than a single source before
    derailing this into this kind of conversation because you outright
    refuse any kind of criticism about these sources and immediately react
    by claiming it's just "green propaganda".

    If I were you, I'd map your opinions to these videos and see which ones
    do you owe to these sources, and then try to compare these with reality,
    and figure out whether it really is worth investing time in watching
    these videos.

    There may be place for opinions, but you're insistently trying to argue
    against what has been publicly known and the reality of both the
    blackout and the power grid in the Iberian peninsula, and also realistic expectations regarding such complex and critical systems, and insistently pushing what amounts to far-right propaganda.

    The most visible example is your lack of ability to understand that
    renewables *are profitable*. And that's not because of subsidies. Those
    are private companies operating with profit in a liberalized market.

    You may paint PSOE as "far left" because of the name as if you were a US republican, but not only are you misunderstanding socialist parties in
    the Iberian peninsula (some people do see the word "socialist" and go
    all nuts), you're also overlooking that the power market has been
    liberalized. I wonder how much subsidization could actually fit in such
    a model. Not to mention subsidies do not exclude profitability.


    And weren't the countries most affected by electricity price rises
    caused by the 2022 russian invasion of Ukraine the ones which did not
    invest in renewables early?
    --
    Nuno Silva
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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 3 10:02:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 01/10/2025 10:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-01 10:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    [...]
    I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source,
    specially if long.

    Why?
    Afraid you might learn something?

    Not wasting my time

    I'll take that as a yes..

    The more you insist the more I'm convinced I'm right in my decision
    to not waste my time with that video.

    Classic cancel/denial behaviour.
    I just wanted to make sure as to whether you were simply misinformed,
    or prejudiced
    Now its is clearly the latter, there is no point in presenting
    rational arguments, so I wont.
    Bye

    You're refusing to address criticisms of the source you presented and
    basically assuming anyone refusing to watch it falls under a specific
    reasoning you want them to fall under. See a pattern?

    It's almost as if you picked that video on purpose so that you could
    react like this.
    --
    Nuno Silva
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 3 10:05:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 03/10/2025 09:50, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-09-30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    [...]
    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a reliable
    source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Yoiu didn't even get that far did you?

    It's 90 minutes, the day only has around 24 hours, 16 usable, you don't
    get to pick a long video and then attack people for not watching it
    fully this way. If Carlos were pretending he did watch, that'd be
    something else...

    And I don't trust right wing sources. I'm tired of their many proven
    lies in my country.

    Its not a 'right wing source.' Its a politically neutral analysis by
    the UKs foremost researcher into energy markets.

    [citation needed]


    "Kathryn Porter is an independent energy consultant. She holds a
    Master's degree in Physics and an MBA, and is an associate member of
    the All-Party Parliamentary Group for Energy Studies executive council
    "

    Your bigotry is now impossible to hide.

    Actually, consider that you started this thread to continue debating the blackout, and you didn't even go further than a single source before derailing this into this kind of conversation because you outright
    refuse any kind of criticism about these sources and immediately react
    by claiming it's just "green propaganda".

    If I were you, I'd map your opinions to these videos and see which ones
    do you owe to these sources, and then try to compare these with reality,
    and figure out whether it really is worth investing time in watching
    these videos.

    There may be place for opinions, but you're insistently trying to argue against what has been publicly known and the reality of both the
    blackout and the power grid in the Iberian peninsula, and also realistic expectations regarding such complex and critical systems, and insistently pushing what amounts to far-right propaganda.

    The most visible example is your lack of ability to understand that renewables *are profitable*. And that's not because of subsidies. Those
    are private companies operating with profit in a liberalized market.

    You may paint PSOE as "far left" because of the name as if you were a US republican, but not only are you misunderstanding socialist parties in
    the Iberian peninsula (some people do see the word "socialist" and go
    all nuts), you're also overlooking that the power market has been liberalized. I wonder how much subsidization could actually fit in such
    a model. Not to mention subsidies do not exclude profitability.


    And weren't the countries most affected by electricity price rises
    caused by the 2022 russian invasion of Ukraine the ones which did not
    invest in renewables early?


    No. The most affected country was Germany land of solar panels and
    windmills.
    I am not going to bother further with this conversation. knocking on
    closed minds thet refuse to consider anything other than fixed ideas is
    a pointless exercise.
    --
    If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
    eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
    time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
    and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
    important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
    the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
    truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

    Joseph Goebbels




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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 3 10:07:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 03/10/2025 10:02, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 01/10/2025 10:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-01 10:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    [...]
    I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source,
    specially if long.

    Why?
    Afraid you might learn something?

    Not wasting my time

    I'll take that as a yes..

    The more you insist the more I'm convinced I'm right in my decision
    to not waste my time with that video.

    Classic cancel/denial behaviour.
    I just wanted to make sure as to whether you were simply misinformed,
    or prejudiced
    Now its is clearly the latter, there is no point in presenting
    rational arguments, so I wont.
    Bye

    You're refusing to address criticisms of the source you presented and basically assuming anyone refusing to watch it falls under a specific reasoning you want them to fall under. See a pattern?

    No one has presented ant criticism whatsoever,. No one has even watched it.

    It's almost as if you picked that video on purpose so that you could
    react like this.

    Its almost as if you decided not to watch it so you could react like this
    --
    If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
    eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
    time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
    and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
    important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
    the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
    truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

    Joseph Goebbels




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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 3 10:48:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-09-30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 30/09/2025 18:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    You could instead read this one. Known bias.

    "This is the report paid for by Iberdrola and
    Endesa. Coincidentally, it was presented three days before the
    official ENTSOe report."

    No blame on renewables.

    Of course. They were *paid* to say that. Your naievete is simply
    astonishing.

    I think that is what "Known bias." was about...
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    Nuno Silva
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 3 10:56:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 03/10/2025 10:48, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-09-30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 30/09/2025 18:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    You could instead read this one. Known bias.

    "This is the report paid for by Iberdrola and
    Endesa. Coincidentally, it was presented three days before the
    official ENTSOe report."

    No blame on renewables.

    Of course. They were *paid* to say that. Your naievete is simply
    astonishing.

    I think that is what "Known bias." was about...

    Your naivete is simply astonishing.
    --
    "Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
    conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
    windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

    Alan Sokal

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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 3 13:23:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-09-30 19:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-29 20:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA


    Or you could read other accepted reports, including the official one
    (posted previously on sci.electronics.design)
    Other reports just published:


    Summary: over voltage. We need a new EU regulation covering that.
    Renewables were not to be blamed.

    Using DeepL automated translation.

    -2The report notes that the blackout, a unique event in the world,
    was due to a rCLsurge cascaderCY that began in southern Spain and spread throughout the peninsula in a matter of minutes. rCLThe problem here is
    not that there were renewables, but that we need generation that has
    voltage control. The good news is that this can be done in the same way
    as in conventional generation,rCY explained Entso-E president Dami|in Cortinas, when asked about the responsibility of green generation sources.-+

    -2As explained by the president of ENTSO-E, this rCLfactual reportrCY does not seek to place rCLany responsibilityrCY on any agent in the sector, but rather to trace a rCLsequencerCY of events.

    When asked about the role of renewable energies in the blackout,
    Cortinas pointed out that rCLthe question is not whether or not there are renewables,rCY but rather how voltage control was carried out on the grid
    that day, which he cited as one of the key issues that would explain the historic blackout. According to the report prepared by REE, there were rCLbreachesrCY by the generators in this voltage control. But the government also pointed to rCLinsufficientrCY planning by REE the day before in
    selecting the power plants that were to control voltage (and charge for
    it).-+


    <https://www.eldiario.es/economia/expertos-europeos-no-senalan-ahora-responsables-apagon-comparten-relato-gobierno_1_12653785.html>

    *European experts have not yet identified those responsible for the blackout and agree with the government's account*

    The ENTSO-E rCLfinal reportrCY will be presented in early 2026 with
    a rCLdetailed analysisrCY of the rCLroot causesrCY of the blackout, for which data is still lacking: they will analyze how voltage control was carried
    out that day and the rCLlocal oscillationrCY that caused a large Iberdrola photovoltaic plant to fail at 12:03 p.m.
    rCo The blackout report detects power plants that rCLwere not regulating voltagerCY and an rCLimproperrCY disconnection of facilities


    Antonio M. V|-lez / Rodrigo Ponce de Le||n October 3, 2025, 11:01
    a.m. Updated on 10/03/2025, 11:37 a.m.

    European experts from the European Network of Transmission System Operators for Electricity (ENTSO-E), who, in accordance with EU
    regulations, presented their rCLfactual reportrCY this Friday on the
    historic blackout of April 28, have not yet identified those responsible
    for the incident and have presented a sequence of events similar to that
    in the report prepared at the time by the Spanish government, which
    indicated that it was a rCLmultifactorialrCY event.

    The report by the European Network of Transmission System Operators
    for Electricity, of which Red El|-ctrica (REE) is a member, which the electricity companies blame for the blackout, gives itself a period of
    rCLfour monthsrCY from the publication of this rCLfactual reportrCY to publish a
    rCLfinal reportrCY in the first quarter of 2026. This is because some information is still missing.

    The report notes that, 158 days after the serious incident that
    left the entire Iberian Peninsula in darkness, rCLsome data is still
    missing, particularly related to some of the generation losses that
    occurred before the blackout.rCY

    rCLAlthough Red El|-ctrica (the Spanish TSO) obtained the consent of
    33 generation companies and DSOs (referring to distribution companies,
    mainly Iberdrola, Endesa, and Naturgy) to share relevant data, eight
    others did not give their consent.rCY

    During the presentation of the report, ENTSO-E officials indicated
    that they had encountered rCLsignificant difficultiesrCY in obtaining information from several generating companies in Spain, according to Kaschnitz. It should be remembered that in June, the government sent
    letters to the sector expressing its rCyconcernrCO about the rCLslowdownrCY in the submission of data for the report that was then being prepared by an interministerial commission.

    This final report by ENTSO-E will include a rCLdetailed analysisrCY of the rCLroot causes,rCY the rCLvoltage controlrCY carried out on the grid that day by the generators, rCLthe behavior of different actors during the incident,rCY and some rCLadditionalrCY comments.

    Among them, on the causes of the rCLlocal oscillationrCY which, as revealed by elDiario.es, was at the origin of the blackout and was
    caused by Iberdrola's N|||#ez de Balboa mega-photovoltaic plant at 12:03
    that morning (which the report does not mention). This oscillation was
    an rCLunusualrCY phenomenon, as pointed out by the Austrian expert who
    co-led the panel, Klaus Kaschnitz.

    The report notes that the blackout, a unique event in the world,
    was due to a rCLsurge cascaderCY that began in southern Spain and spread throughout the peninsula in a matter of minutes. rCLThe problem here is
    not that there were renewables, but that we need generation that has
    voltage control. The good news is that this can be done in the same way
    as in conventional generation,rCY explained Entso-E president Dami|in Cortinas, when asked about the responsibility of green generation sources.

    The ENTSO-E report explains that the morning of April 28, 2025, was characterized by rCLincreasing renewable generation,rCY which led to rCLa decrease in daily market prices and an increase in exports from SpainrCY
    to a total of five gigawatts. From 9:00 a.m., voltage variability in
    Spain began to increase until shortly after 10:30 a.m., rCLwhen the
    voltage in part of the 400 kV transmission network briefly approached,
    but did not exceed, 435 kV,rCY within the permitted values.

    The Austrian expert who coordinated the report explained that April
    28 was a rCLtypical spring dayrCY with high photovoltaic penetration, and
    that from 10:30 a.m. onwards, rCLsignificantrCY voltage variations began in Spain, but within the accepted values. He also explained that on the eve
    of the blackout, a generation unit that was supposed to provide voltage control was declared unavailable, and REE decided to replace it with
    another unit but ultimately chose not to use it.

    The report confirms that there were no rCLsignificant oscillationsrCY
    in the grid until 12:03 p.m., when the first oscillation began, which
    the government and REE reports attributed (without expressly citing it)
    to the N|||#ez de Balboa megaplant.

    This was an initial oscillation of a rCLlocal naturerCY preceded by a second, broader oscillation of an inter-area nature, corresponding to
    the East-Central-West zone of the European electricity system. The
    measures taken by the system operators in Spain, Portugal, and France (including a reduction in the flow of energy between Spain and France) mitigated these oscillations, but led to an increase in voltage in the
    Iberian system, although still rCLwithin operational values.rCY

    Subsequently, once facilities began to disconnect, rCLgiven that some generation units were consuming reactive power,rCY the opposite of what
    they were supposed to do, rCLwith the effect of reducing voltage, the disconnections of these units without adequate compensation for the loss
    of reactive power by other system resources with the capacity to
    inject/absorb reactive power led to an increase in voltages in the
    system, not only in Spain but also in Portugal.rCY

    Starting at 12:32 p.m., within a span of 57 seconds, 208 MW of wind
    and solar power in northern and southern Spain, which correspond to the distribution network, were disconnected. There was an increase in the
    net load on the distribution networks of around 317 MW, which rCLcouldrCY be due to the disconnection of small self-consumption installations,
    although the reasons are rCLunknown.rCY The voltage began to rise rCLreally fast,rCY explained the Austrian expert.

    From 12:32:57 p.m. onwards, there were major power disconnections
    in Granada, Badajoz, Seville, Huelva, and C|iceres. At least 2 gigawatts
    were lost, milliseconds after the protection devices of a transformer in Granada, which connects several generation facilities there and was
    injecting 355 MW at the time, were triggered.


    Reasons rCLunknownrCY

    Another 725 MW of photovoltaic and solar thermal power was then
    lost in Badajoz, along with wind and solar disconnections in Segovia,
    Huelva, Badajoz, Seville, and C|iceres for another 1,200 MW. rCLSome of
    these disconnections were due to surge protection,rCY but the reasons for rCLmost of them are unknown,rCY the document says.

    Between 12:33:18 and 12:33:21, the voltage in southern Spain rose
    sharply and, as a result, also in Portugal. The overvoltage caused a
    cascade of generation losses, which led to a decrease in the frequency
    of the Spanish and Portuguese electricity systems. At 12:33:19, the
    Spanish and Portuguese electricity systems began to lose synchronism
    with the rest of the European system, the interconnections with Morocco
    and France were tripped, and absolute zero occurred.

    This report will be supplemented by the one being prepared by the
    Spanish regulator, the National Commission for Markets and Competition
    (CNMC), which has also participated in this panel of experts.

    As explained by the president of ENTSO-E, this rCLfactual reportrCY
    does not seek to place rCLany responsibilityrCY on any agent in the sector, but rather to trace a rCLsequencerCY of events.

    When asked about the role of renewable energies in the blackout,
    Cortinas pointed out that rCLthe question is not whether or not there are renewables,rCY but rather how voltage control was carried out on the grid
    that day, which he cited as one of the key issues that would explain the historic blackout. According to the report prepared by REE, there were rCLbreachesrCY by the generators in this voltage control. But the government also pointed to rCLinsufficientrCY planning by REE the day before in
    selecting the power plants that were to control voltage (and charge for it).

    The report was prepared by a panel of 45 experts, the largest ever formed, including both system operators and national regulators from
    across Europe, and was led by two experts from Austria and Hungary.
    After five months of rCLintense work,rCY it will form the basis for recommendations to be implemented in the near future.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 3 13:23:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-09-30 19:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-29 20:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA


    Or you could read other accepted reports, including the official one
    (posted previously on sci.electronics.design)
    Other reports just published:



    "This is the report paid for by Iberdrola and Endesa. Coincidentally, it
    was presented three days before the official ENTSOe report."

    No blame on renewables.


    <https://www.comillas.edu/noticias/el-iit-presenta-un-informe-preliminar-que-analiza-las-causas-del-apagon-del-pasado-mes-de-abril/>

    The IIT presents a preliminary report analysing the causes of last April's blackout
    29 September 2025

    Large voltage fluctuations, low synchronous generation and a weak transmission network are some of the causes

    The Institute for Technological Research (IIT) at Comillas
    Pontifical UniversityrCoone of Europe's leading electrical systems
    research centresrCohas today published an independent preliminary report analysing the causes of the blackout that left the Iberian Peninsula
    without power on 28 April. The document, prepared by professors Luis
    Rouco, Enrique Lobato and Francisco M. Echavarren, concludes that the
    blackout was the result of a combination of voltage instability in the previous days, insufficient synchronous generation, an insufficient
    safety margin against overvoltage collapse and a weak transmission
    network, aggravated by the disconnection of renewable generation and operational manoeuvres that reduced the safety margin.


    The analysis reveals that synchronous generation (mainly combined
    cycle and nuclear power plants) in the southern and central areas was unusually low, with only one combined cycle plant in Andalusia and one
    nuclear plant in the centre. In addition, more than a third of the 400
    kV grid was disconnected for maintenance or voltage control, leading to
    poorly damped oscillations.

    The report introduces the concept of rCyovervoltage collapserCO, a phenomenon unprecedented in Europe, where voltage increases
    uncontrollably when renewable generation is disconnected. It adds that
    the cascading overvoltage that occurred is unprecedented in the European electricity system.

    The researchers also emphasise that the manoeuvres carried out by
    Red El|-ctrica de Espa|#a between 12:00 and 12:30 rCoconnecting lines to try to dampen the oscillationsrCo further reduced the safety margin,
    accelerating the collapse of the system.

    The IIT recommends reviewing the criteria for synchronous
    generation scheduling and voltage control procedures, especially in
    scenarios of high renewable penetration, and urges the use of more
    advanced metrics to anticipate risk situations. The report also
    highlights the importance of strengthening coordination between the
    various players in the electricity sector and adapting the operation of
    the system to the new challenges of the energy transition, with the
    massive integration of renewables.



    Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 3 13:28:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-03 10:21, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-09-29, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-29 21:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-29 20:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA


    Too long.

    Besides the concern below, and certain keywords in the video metadata
    and thumbnail that make it highly likely that this is just 90 minutes of far-right nonsense, is there a transcript one could read instead of
    having to go through 90 minutes of this?

    Indeed. I might read a transcript, but I certainly will not watch a 90
    minutes video. Only if praised by more people or sources.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 3 13:35:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-03 10:50, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-09-30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    [...]
    Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a reliable
    source about him.

    Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

    Yoiu didn't even get that far did you?

    It's 90 minutes, the day only has around 24 hours, 16 usable, you don't
    get to pick a long video and then attack people for not watching it
    fully this way. If Carlos were pretending he did watch, that'd be
    something else...

    And I don't trust right wing sources. I'm tired of their many proven
    lies in my country.

    Its not a 'right wing source.' Its a politically neutral analysis by
    the UKs foremost researcher into energy markets.

    [citation needed]


    "Kathryn Porter is an independent energy consultant. She holds a
    Master's degree in Physics and an MBA, and is an associate member of
    the All-Party Parliamentary Group for Energy Studies executive council
    "

    Your bigotry is now impossible to hide.

    Actually, consider that you started this thread to continue debating the blackout, and you didn't even go further than a single source before derailing this into this kind of conversation because you outright
    refuse any kind of criticism about these sources and immediately react
    by claiming it's just "green propaganda".

    And he turned to personal insults on me, on the other thread. This is
    very low, turning a political discussion personal.
    If I were you, I'd map your opinions to these videos and see which ones
    do you owe to these sources, and then try to compare these with reality,
    and figure out whether it really is worth investing time in watching
    these videos.

    There may be place for opinions, but you're insistently trying to argue against what has been publicly known and the reality of both the
    blackout and the power grid in the Iberian peninsula, and also realistic expectations regarding such complex and critical systems, and insistently pushing what amounts to far-right propaganda.

    The most visible example is your lack of ability to understand that renewables *are profitable*. And that's not because of subsidies. Those
    are private companies operating with profit in a liberalized market.

    You may paint PSOE as "far left" because of the name as if you were a US republican, but not only are you misunderstanding socialist parties in
    the Iberian peninsula (some people do see the word "socialist" and go
    all nuts), you're also overlooking that the power market has been liberalized. I wonder how much subsidization could actually fit in such
    a model. Not to mention subsidies do not exclude profitability.

    In Spain, the PSOE has been criticized for being "too right", for often
    doing the same things as the PP, the right wing party. We call them both
    PPSOE for something.

    Arguably, the PSOE has turned a bit more leftie in the last years; after
    all, they hold the government in coalition with communists look alike
    parties.

    Traditionally, the two big parties try to hold the center, but currently
    the PP has turned extreme right in some of their says, to try to compete
    with the far right party, VOX.


    And weren't the countries most affected by electricity price rises
    caused by the 2022 russian invasion of Ukraine the ones which did not
    invest in renewables early?


    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From Anssi Saari@anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi to comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 4 09:45:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> writes:

    Terminal-land doesn't seem to be afflicted with many Design Divas in
    the first place. I don't know if that's because they're not technically
    adept enough to hack it there, or if it's just that a smaller niche of
    users doesn't offer as many opportunities to shove their Brilliant
    Ideas in everyone else's face, but it's certainly convenient for the
    terminal junkies.

    I think turning off terminal cursor blink has been hated on by these
    Divas for a long time, so they shove the setting into different but increasingly deep and dark corners in every Gnome version. I'm surprised
    they haven't done away with it.

    But it's really hard to stop users from installing some other terminal, especially as it seems to have become something of a vanity thing.
    Seems like "everyone" is developing their own these days.
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  • From Rich@rich@example.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 4 15:28:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 11:13:48 +0100
    Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Question: Would John also rule over those using Window Managers and
    also those using terminals (so with no X11 or Wayland in the loop)?

    Also, what happens if one uses both a DE and a terminal? Would one
    need a travel document?

    Terminal-land doesn't seem to be afflicted with many Design Divas in
    the first place.

    Most "Design Divas" are art students.

    I don't know if that's because they're not technically adept enough
    to hack it there,

    Being art students, yes, they lack tehcnical chops. Additionally, art students like drawing pictures, and while it is possible to "draw
    pictures" in terminal land (ASCII art, etc.) the result is usually very
    poor compared to the much better looking pictures those same art
    students can draw in GUI land.

    So the result is you get most of the design divas screwing around with
    the GUI's, because the GUI's are "picture based" interfaces.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 4 20:27:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-04 08:45, Anssi Saari wrote:
    John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> writes:

    Terminal-land doesn't seem to be afflicted with many Design Divas in
    the first place. I don't know if that's because they're not technically
    adept enough to hack it there, or if it's just that a smaller niche of
    users doesn't offer as many opportunities to shove their Brilliant
    Ideas in everyone else's face, but it's certainly convenient for the
    terminal junkies.

    I think turning off terminal cursor blink has been hated on by these
    Divas for a long time, so they shove the setting into different but increasingly deep and dark corners in every Gnome version. I'm surprised
    they haven't done away with it.

    Blinking attribute (be it the cursor or the text) means the software has
    to actively run, not sleep. Just a guess.


    But it's really hard to stop users from installing some other terminal, especially as it seems to have become something of a vanity thing.
    Seems like "everyone" is developing their own these days.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From John Ames@commodorejohn@gmail.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Oct 6 08:41:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 15:28:14 -0000 (UTC)
    Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

    Terminal-land doesn't seem to be afflicted with many Design Divas in
    the first place.

    Most "Design Divas" are art students.

    Being art students, yes, they lack tehcnical chops.

    That's the cliche, certainly - but there are definitely developers out
    there with Diva tendencies. The Wayland folks spring to mind; there's a
    level of technical aptitude required to do what they're doing, whether
    you agree with their decisions or not - but it's the blinkered egotism
    in refusing to consider anyone else's needs (until they're absolutely
    forced to after years of dragging their feet and insisting that what
    everybody wants Can't Be Done,) even as they propose to unilaterally
    replace an existing system, that makes them Divas :/

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