• Since it's a slow night...

    From vallor@vallor@vallor.earth to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed Oct 8 04:20:04 2025
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    $ uname -a
    Linux lm 6.17.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Oct 6 22:00:27 PDT 2025
    x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    $ tail -3 linux-6.17.1/nohup.out
    real 426.60
    user 20253.92
    sys 3955.00
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    OS: Linux 6.17.1 D: Mint 22.2 DE: Xfce 4.18
    NVIDIA: 580.95.05 Mem: 258G
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  • From pursent100@pursent100@gmail.com to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed Oct 8 06:14:19 2025
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    vallor wrote:
    $ uname -a
    Linux lm 6.17.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Oct 6 22:00:27 PDT 2025
    x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    $ tail -3 linux-6.17.1/nohup.out
    real 426.60
    user 20253.92
    sys 3955.00

    its never that slow
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  • From Gremlin@nobody@haph.org to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 9 00:38:43 2025
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    vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> news:10c4opl$1ca6g$1@dont-email.me Wed, 08 Oct 2025 04:20:04 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

    $ uname -a
    Linux lm 6.17.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Oct 6 22:00:27 PDT 2025
    x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    $ tail -3 linux-6.17.1/nohup.out
    real 426.60
    user 20253.92
    sys 3955.00


    raid@Wolf:~
    $ uptime
    20:29:45 up 1:14, 1 user, load average: 0.64, 0.33, 0.41

    This is not a machine that runs 24/7 - obviously. It's a laptop.

    Sad isn't it? :)
    --
    Liar, lawyer; mirror show me, what's the difference?Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocentLiar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the difference?Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 9 01:23:30 2025
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    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 00:38:43 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:

    This is not a machine that runs 24/7 - obviously. It's a laptop.

    My laptop typically only reboots about once a month.
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 9 01:33:06 2025
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    On Oct 8, 2025 at 6:23:30rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <10c72qi$211kq$1@dont-email.me>:

    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 00:38:43 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:

    This is not a machine that runs 24/7 - obviously. It's a laptop.

    My laptop typically only reboots about once a month.

    I would say that is about the same for mine.
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  • From Gremlin@nobody@haph.org to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 9 02:14:43 2025
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    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> news:10c72qi$211kq$1@dont-email.me Thu, 09 Oct 2025 01:23:30 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 00:38:43 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:

    This is not a machine that runs 24/7 - obviously. It's a laptop.

    My laptop typically only reboots about once a month.

    How's your battery life? This machine is a new to me model. It turned three years old this past June. Due to it's previous owner rarely allowing it to
    run the battery down; the battery has lost 15% of it's capacity. The system UEFI records a total of 12 cycles on it prior to my getting my hands on it.
    In simpler words, they left it plugged into the charger nearly all the time. That's not what you should be doing with them, *if* you care about the
    battery pack. I do, because, a bad battery pack defeats the purpose of the laptops portability.

    This machine doesn't run 24/7 because I have actual towers that do. I
    actually use it as a laptop; not a replacement for a machine that's designed to run 24/7/365 on AC mains.

    To each their own of course.
    --
    Liar, lawyer; mirror show me, what's the difference?
    Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocent
    Liar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the difference?
    Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 9 04:47:45 2025
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    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 02:14:43 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:

    How's your battery life? This machine is a new to me model. It turned
    three years old this past June. Due to it's previous owner rarely
    allowing it to run the battery down; the battery has lost 15% of it's capacity. The system UEFI records a total of 12 cycles on it prior to my getting my hands on it. In simpler words, they left it plugged into the charger nearly all the time.
    That's not what you should be doing with them, *if* you care about the battery pack. I do, because, a bad battery pack defeats the purpose of
    the laptops portability.

    I've got two laptops that are currently up and I can't remember the last
    time they were unplugged. Both are Windows 11 and one is a company
    machine. I suppose I should shut them down since I rarely do anything with them except update them on Patch Tuesday.

    I recently moved to a Samsung phone and was pleasantly surprised to find
    it stops charging when it's full.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 9 06:57:19 2025
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    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 02:14:43 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:

    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> news:10c72qi$211kq$1@dont-email.me Thu, 09 Oct 2025 01:23:30 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

    My laptop typically only reboots about once a month.

    How's your battery life?

    I take the machine to bed, do some light reading, then leave it to one
    side overnight, still showing around 75% charge. Maybe the next afternoon
    I plug it into the charger. A couple of hours later itrCOs back to full,
    ready for the next night.

    So itrCOs not normally my main machine during the day -- I unless I take it
    to a clientrCOs place.

    Even the previous laptop I had before this maintained good battery life
    until the end -- done in by a broken screen.
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  • From vallor@vallor@vallor.earth to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 9 08:40:31 2025
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    At Thu, 9 Oct 2025 00:38:43 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:

    vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> news:10c4opl$1ca6g$1@dont-email.me Wed, 08 Oct 2025 04:20:04 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

    $ uname -a
    Linux lm 6.17.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Oct 6 22:00:27 PDT 2025
    x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    $ tail -3 linux-6.17.1/nohup.out
    real 426.60
    user 20253.92
    sys 3955.00


    raid@Wolf:~
    $ uptime
    20:29:45 up 1:14, 1 user, load average: 0.64, 0.33, 0.41

    This is not a machine that runs 24/7 - obviously. It's a laptop.

    Sad isn't it? :)

    There was a time when people would post their uptimes.

    $ uptime
    01:37:30 up 1142 days, 9:50, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.00

    $ date -d '1142 days ago'
    Wed Aug 24 01:37:47 PDT 2022

    That's at my personal colo on my intranet. To get a higher
    uptime, I'd have to vpn into the office. (With the advent
    of kernel livepatches, uptimes can get extreme.)
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    OS: Linux 6.17.1 D: Mint 22.2 DE: Xfce 4.18
    NVIDIA: 580.95.05 Mem: 258G
    "Black clothes: Ideal tool for removing cat hair from furniture."
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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@OFeem1987@teleworm.us to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 9 07:49:43 2025
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    vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    At Thu, 9 Oct 2025 00:38:43 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:

    vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> news:10c4opl$1ca6g$1@dont-email.me Wed, 08 Oct >> 2025 04:20:04 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

    $ uname -a
    Linux lm 6.17.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Oct 6 22:00:27 PDT 2025
    x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    $ tail -3 linux-6.17.1/nohup.out
    real 426.60
    user 20253.92
    sys 3955.00

    raid@Wolf:~
    $ uptime
    20:29:45 up 1:14, 1 user, load average: 0.64, 0.33, 0.41

    This is not a machine that runs 24/7 - obviously. It's a laptop.

    Sad isn't it? :)

    There was a time when people would post their uptimes.

    $ uptime
    01:37:30 up 1142 days, 9:50, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.00

    $ date -d '1142 days ago'
    Wed Aug 24 01:37:47 PDT 2022

    That's at my personal colo on my intranet. To get a higher
    uptime, I'd have to vpn into the office. (With the advent
    of kernel livepatches, uptimes can get extreme.)

    I'd post the uptime of my mini PC, but the damn power goes out
    every once in a while. I gotta new UPS on order.

    "Mine's longer than yours!" :-D
    --
    Troubled day for virgins over 16 who are beautiful and wealthy and live
    in eucalyptus trees.
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  • From candycanearter07@candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri Oct 10 17:50:09 2025
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    Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote at 02:14 this Thursday (GMT):
    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> news:10c72qi$211kq$1@dont-email.me Thu, 09 Oct 2025 01:23:30 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 00:38:43 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:

    This is not a machine that runs 24/7 - obviously. It's a laptop.

    My laptop typically only reboots about once a month.

    How's your battery life? This machine is a new to me model. It turned three years old this past June. Due to it's previous owner rarely allowing it to run the battery down; the battery has lost 15% of it's capacity. The system UEFI records a total of 12 cycles on it prior to my getting my hands on it. In simpler words, they left it plugged into the charger nearly all the time. That's not what you should be doing with them, *if* you care about the battery pack. I do, because, a bad battery pack defeats the purpose of the laptops portability.

    This machine doesn't run 24/7 because I have actual towers that do. I actually use it as a laptop; not a replacement for a machine that's designed to run 24/7/365 on AC mains.

    To each their own of course.


    I don't actually have a desktop, just this laptop, but I at least try to improve
    my battery health by using tlp to make it stop charging at 70%.
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  • From Gremlin@nobody@haph.org to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat Oct 11 02:51:41 2025
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    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> news:slrn10eihne.20092.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid Fri, 10 Oct
    2025 17:50:09 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

    Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote at 02:14 this Thursday (GMT):
    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid>
    news:10c72qi$211kq$1@dont-email.me Thu, 09 Oct 2025 01:23:30 GMT in
    comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 00:38:43 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:

    This is not a machine that runs 24/7 - obviously. It's a laptop.

    My laptop typically only reboots about once a month.

    How's your battery life? This machine is a new to me model. It turned
    three years old this past June. Due to it's previous owner rarely
    allowing it to run the battery down; the battery has lost 15% of it's
    capacity. The system UEFI records a total of 12 cycles on it prior to
    my getting my hands on it. In simpler words, they left it plugged into
    the charger nearly all the time. That's not what you should be doing
    with them, *if* you care about the battery pack. I do, because, a bad
    battery pack defeats the purpose of the laptops portability.

    This machine doesn't run 24/7 because I have actual towers that do. I
    actually use it as a laptop; not a replacement for a machine that's
    designed to run 24/7/365 on AC mains.

    To each their own of course.


    I don't actually have a desktop, just this laptop, but I at least try to improve my battery health by using tlp to make it stop charging at 70%.

    I'm glad you got the point I was making. :) I know it's a minor distinction - but a desktop isn't a tower. A tower is a vertical beastie. A desktop is horizontal. The typical rule of thumb is 20% to 80% range. YMMV depending on the exact chemical makeup.
    --
    Liar, lawyer; mirror show me, what's the difference?
    Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocent
    Liar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the difference?
    Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government

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  • From Gremlin@nobody@haph.org to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat Oct 11 02:51:43 2025
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    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> news:10c7mce$2brd8$1@dont-email.me Thu, 09 Oct 2025 06:57:19 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 02:14:43 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:

    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid>
    news:10c72qi$211kq$1@dont-email.me Thu, 09 Oct 2025 01:23:30 GMT in
    comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

    My laptop typically only reboots about once a month.

    How's your battery life?

    I take the machine to bed, do some light reading, then leave it to one
    side overnight, still showing around 75% charge. Maybe the next
    afternoon I plug it into the charger. A couple of hours later it's
    back to full, ready for the next night.

    I'll rephrase my question...

    Under MXLinux (the distro I use) there's an icon for the battery. If I left click it and select the battery (it shows how long estimated the machine can continue to run on it) and left click again, it'll bring up the power
    manager window at the details tab. In those details is your batteries
    original Wh capacity (Fully charged design) and just below that is your batteries current capacity (Fully charged) with a Wh rating and a percentage. The difference between the two is an estimate of your batteries degradation level.

    Leaving it on the charger nearly all the time as was done to this machine increased the battery pack degradation. Yes, it would have degraded some during the last three years naturally - but it was sped up by staying at 100% on the charger.

    I have no complaints with this rig mind you, the battery uptime is still several hours. I was just making a point with my original comment.

    So it's not normally my main machine during the day -- I unless I take
    it to a client's place.

    Understood.

    Even the previous laptop I had before this maintained good battery life until the end -- done in by a broken screen.

    Was the cost of replacing the screen worth more than the laptop by then? Or not something you were interested in doing?
    --
    Liar, lawyer; mirror show me, what's the difference?
    Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocent
    Liar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the difference?
    Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government

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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat Oct 11 05:15:18 2025
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    On Oct 10, 2025 at 7:51:41rC>PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB374E88F4749EHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> news:slrn10eihne.20092.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid Fri, 10 Oct 2025 17:50:09 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

    Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote at 02:14 this Thursday (GMT):
    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid>
    news:10c72qi$211kq$1@dont-email.me Thu, 09 Oct 2025 01:23:30 GMT in
    comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 00:38:43 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:

    This is not a machine that runs 24/7 - obviously. It's a laptop.

    My laptop typically only reboots about once a month.

    How's your battery life? This machine is a new to me model. It turned
    three years old this past June. Due to it's previous owner rarely
    allowing it to run the battery down; the battery has lost 15% of it's
    capacity. The system UEFI records a total of 12 cycles on it prior to
    my getting my hands on it. In simpler words, they left it plugged into
    the charger nearly all the time. That's not what you should be doing
    with them, *if* you care about the battery pack. I do, because, a bad
    battery pack defeats the purpose of the laptops portability.

    This machine doesn't run 24/7 because I have actual towers that do. I
    actually use it as a laptop; not a replacement for a machine that's
    designed to run 24/7/365 on AC mains.

    To each their own of course.


    I don't actually have a desktop, just this laptop, but I at least try to
    improve my battery health by using tlp to make it stop charging at 70%.

    I'm glad you got the point I was making. :) I know it's a minor distinction - but a desktop isn't a tower. A tower is a vertical beastie. A desktop is horizontal.

    He meant a desktop COMPUTER. LOL!

    The typical rule of thumb is 20% to 80% range. YMMV depending on
    the exact chemical makeup.
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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