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Not watching TV for quite a while, I missed this Linux ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQAa_WKJxPs
...and speaking of ads: if Apple's famous "1984" ad
were made today, it would be the "Linux kid" throwing
a hammer at MacOS's face.
Have you _seen_ MacOS? It's boring. Dull. Mostly unconfigurable.
(Though just recently, they added the ability to change the color
of icons. Wowee.)
Not watching TV for quite a while, I missed this Linux ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQAa_WKJxPs
...and speaking of ads: if Apple's famous "1984" ad
were made today, it would be the "Linux kid" throwing
a hammer at MacOS's face.
Have you _seen_ MacOS? It's boring. Dull. Mostly unconfigurable.
(Though just recently, they added the ability to change the color
of icons. Wowee.)
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 6, 2025 at 10:11:19rC>PM MST, "vallor" wrote
<10c27dn>:
Not watching TV for quite a while, I missed this Linux ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQAa_WKJxPs
...and speaking of ads: if Apple's famous "1984" ad
were made today, it would be the "Linux kid" throwing
a hammer at MacOS's face.
Have you _seen_ MacOS? It's boring. Dull. Mostly unconfigurable.
(Though just recently, they added the ability to change the color
of icons. Wowee.)
Curious as to things tied to your productivity that Linux excels at where you think macOS does not. I have used mostly macOS the last five years and gotten woefully behind in the Linux world.
Any distros I should check out -- knowing my focus is on usability issues and productivity for "common" users (generally non-programmers but perhaps more than the stereotypical "grandma").
--
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 6, 2025 at 10:11:19rC>PM MST, "vallor" wrote
<10c27dn>:
Not watching TV for quite a while, I missed this Linux ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQAa_WKJxPs
...and speaking of ads: if Apple's famous "1984" ad
were made today, it would be the "Linux kid" throwing
a hammer at MacOS's face.
Have you _seen_ MacOS? It's boring. Dull. Mostly unconfigurable.
(Though just recently, they added the ability to change the color
of icons. Wowee.)
Curious as to things tied to your productivity that Linux excels at where you
think macOS does not. I have used mostly macOS the last five years and gotten
woefully behind in the Linux world.
Any distros I should check out -- knowing my focus is on usability issues and
productivity for "common" users (generally non-programmers but perhaps more >> than the stereotypical "grandma").
--
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with
you.
For productivity, the biggest thing Linux has going for it is the package manager and the sheer depth of tools available for free from the command line.
On a Mac, you're often hunting for a third-party app to do a specific job, but
on Linux, there's almost always a powerful, scriptable tool already in the repositories that can do exactly what you need.
It turns your whole system into one cohesive, automatable workspace.
For a distro that focuses on usability for someone coming from macOS, you really can't go wrong with Linux Mint.
It's the gold standard for a reason because t just works out of the box, it's stable, and the Cinnamon desktop is clean and intuitive without trying to reinvent the wheel. It feels familiar enough that you can be productive in ten
minutes.
If you want something that feels a bit more modern and polished, Pop!_OS is another fantastic choice.
Its tiling window manager features are a genuine productivity booster once you
get the hang of them, as it automates a lot of window management for you. It's
especially popular with developers and anyone who multitasks heavily.
Both of those are great stepping stones that let you leverage the power of Linux without getting bogged down in system administration. They handle the drivers and the headaches so you can focus on actually using the machine.
This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=697204720#697204720--
On Oct 8, 2025 at 10:36:44rC>AM MST, "MummyChunk" wrote <Xx6dndkocu2-VHv1nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
On a Mac, you're often hunting for a third-party app to do a specific
job, but on Linux, there's almost always a powerful, scriptable tool
already in the repositories that can do exactly what you need.
If you are still talking command line, maybe. I do not find that to be
the case on the desktop ...
... though even the common apps lack some basic usability focus
(especially when seen as a system).
It turns your whole system into one cohesive, automatable workspace.
In the CLI... but not so much in the GUI.
On macOS I use Stage Manager, tabs, and virtual desktops (what they call spaces).
On 08 Oct 2025 21:46:47 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 10:36:44rC>AM MST, "MummyChunk" wrote
<Xx6dndkocu2-VHv1nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
On a Mac, you're often hunting for a third-party app to do a specific
job, but on Linux, there's almost always a powerful, scriptable tool
already in the repositories that can do exactly what you need.
If you are still talking command line, maybe. I do not find that to be
the case on the desktop ...
Think about why Mac aficionados felt the need to create something like Homebrew: Linux pioneered package management, and proprietary platforms
envy that capability.
... though even the common apps lack some basic usability focus
(especially when seen as a system).
Think of how all the major content-creation apps support Python scriptability, and even batch operation from the command line.
Mac usersrCO idea of rCLautomationrCY is that clunky GUI-based Adobe thing, I guess.
The next step from that is supposed to be writing custom rCLpluginsrCY,
which means getting your hands dirty with C++ or something. There is no concept that such extensibility should lie along a spectrum, with no artificial separations between different levels of complexity.
It turns your whole system into one cohesive, automatable workspace.
In the CLI... but not so much in the GUI.
On Linux, both work together. Remember, macOS derives from a system (NextStep) which tried very hard to pretend the CLI didnrCOt exist! And itrCOs
been paying for that design decision ever since.
On macOS I use Stage Manager, tabs, and virtual desktops (what they call
spaces).
*nix systems had those back in the 1990s.
Apple and Microsoft are--
latecomers to copying the idea. Meantime, some in the *nix world have take the idea even further (e.g. rCLActivitiesrCY in KDE Plasma).
On Oct 8, 2025 at 2:57:17rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <10c6mnt$1sia8$9@dont-email.me>:
On 08 Oct 2025 21:46:47 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 10:36:44rC>AM MST, "MummyChunk" wrote
<Xx6dndkocu2-VHv1nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
On a Mac, you're often hunting for a third-party app to do a specific
job, but on Linux, there's almost always a powerful, scriptable tool
already in the repositories that can do exactly what you need.
If you are still talking command line, maybe. I do not find that to be
the case on the desktop ...
Think about why Mac aficionados felt the need to create something like
Homebrew: Linux pioneered package management, and proprietary platforms
envy that capability.
This is like saying Linux "envy's" what Apple brought to the table.
In terms of common desktop computing, Apple brought a lot.
Here, let me give you an example of how I use extensibility on my
system. In pretty much any app I can right click on a word and have, in
the menu, the option to look the word up in OneLook (giving me more than
the built in one), Urban Dictionary, etc.
On 09 Oct 2025 00:08:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 2:57:17rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
<10c6mnt$1sia8$9@dont-email.me>:
On 08 Oct 2025 21:46:47 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 10:36:44rC>AM MST, "MummyChunk" wrote
<Xx6dndkocu2-VHv1nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
On a Mac, you're often hunting for a third-party app to do a specific >>>>> job, but on Linux, there's almost always a powerful, scriptable tool >>>>> already in the repositories that can do exactly what you need.
If you are still talking command line, maybe. I do not find that to be >>>> the case on the desktop ...
Think about why Mac aficionados felt the need to create something like
Homebrew: Linux pioneered package management, and proprietary platforms
envy that capability.
This is like saying Linux "envy's" what Apple brought to the table.
I donrCOt think it does. Homebrew is a poor imitation of Linux-style package management.
In terms of common desktop computing, Apple brought a lot.
It was a pioneer back in the 1980s, not so much since then. Does it still have AppleScript? That has become something of an embarrassment.
Here, let me give you an example of how I use extensibility on my
system. In pretty much any app I can right click on a word and have, in
the menu, the option to look the word up in OneLook (giving me more than
the built in one), Urban Dictionary, etc.
Is that mainly for tying everything into the Web, then?
On Oct 8, 2025 at 5:21:13rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <10c6v5p$1vjjj$3@dont-email.me>:
On 09 Oct 2025 00:08:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 2:57:17rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
<10c6mnt$1sia8$9@dont-email.me>:
On 08 Oct 2025 21:46:47 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 10:36:44rC>AM MST, "MummyChunk" wrote
<Xx6dndkocu2-VHv1nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
On a Mac, you're often hunting for a third-party app to do a
specific job, but on Linux, there's almost always a powerful,
scriptable tool already in the repositories that can do exactly
what you need.
If you are still talking command line, maybe. I do not find that
to be the case on the desktop ...
Think about why Mac aficionados felt the need to create something
like Homebrew: Linux pioneered package management, and
proprietary platforms envy that capability.
This is like saying Linux "envy's" what Apple brought to the table.
I donrCOt think it does. Homebrew is a poor imitation of Linux-style
package management.
Has little to do with what I said.
In terms of common desktop computing, Apple brought a lot.
It was a pioneer back in the 1980s, not so much since then. Does it
still have AppleScript? That has become something of an
embarrassment.
So Apple "won" in the 1980s?
As far as AppleScript -- yes, still there and I still use it.
On 09 Oct 2025 01:20:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 5:21:13rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
<10c6v5p$1vjjj$3@dont-email.me>:
On 09 Oct 2025 00:08:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 2:57:17rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
<10c6mnt$1sia8$9@dont-email.me>:
On 08 Oct 2025 21:46:47 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 10:36:44rC>AM MST, "MummyChunk" wrote
<Xx6dndkocu2-VHv1nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
On a Mac, you're often hunting for a third-party app to do a
specific job, but on Linux, there's almost always a powerful,
scriptable tool already in the repositories that can do exactly
what you need.
If you are still talking command line, maybe. I do not find that
to be the case on the desktop ...
Think about why Mac aficionados felt the need to create something
like Homebrew: Linux pioneered package management, and
proprietary platforms envy that capability.
This is like saying Linux "envy's" what Apple brought to the table.
I donrCOt think it does. Homebrew is a poor imitation of Linux-style
package management.
Has little to do with what I said.
Trying to change the subject from Homebrew, now?
In terms of common desktop computing, Apple brought a lot.
It was a pioneer back in the 1980s, not so much since then. Does it
still have AppleScript? That has become something of an
embarrassment.
So Apple "won" in the 1980s?
For a while, it was certainly the technology leader. That was a long
time ago.
As far as AppleScript -- yes, still there and I still use it.
I got fed up with it back in the day because it treated an empty range
of selected elements as a programming error. These kinds of things
occur all the time; but in AppleScript, I had to keep putting in
special-case checks to make sure the range of items I wanted to
operate on was not empty, and skip the operation otherwise, instead of
just letting the loop iterate zero times, as in more
rationally-designed languages. It was just a pain.
On 09 Oct 2025 01:20:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 5:21:13rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
<10c6v5p$1vjjj$3@dont-email.me>:
On 09 Oct 2025 00:08:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 2:57:17rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
<10c6mnt$1sia8$9@dont-email.me>:
On 08 Oct 2025 21:46:47 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 10:36:44rC>AM MST, "MummyChunk" wrote
<Xx6dndkocu2-VHv1nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
On a Mac, you're often hunting for a third-party app to do a
specific job, but on Linux, there's almost always a powerful,
scriptable tool already in the repositories that can do exactly
what you need.
If you are still talking command line, maybe. I do not find that
to be the case on the desktop ...
Think about why Mac aficionados felt the need to create something
like Homebrew: Linux pioneered package management, and
proprietary platforms envy that capability.
This is like saying Linux "envy's" what Apple brought to the table.
I donrCOt think it does. Homebrew is a poor imitation of Linux-style
package management.
Has little to do with what I said.
Trying to change the subject from Homebrew, now?
In terms of common desktop computing, Apple brought a lot.
It was a pioneer back in the 1980s, not so much since then. Does it
still have AppleScript? That has become something of an
embarrassment.
So Apple "won" in the 1980s?
For a while, it was certainly the technology leader. That was a long
time ago.
As far as AppleScript -- yes, still there and I still use it.
I got fed up with it back in the day because it treated an empty range
of selected elements as a programming error. These kinds of things
occur all the time; but in AppleScript, I had to keep putting in
special-case checks to make sure the range of items I wanted to
operate on was not empty, and skip the operation otherwise, instead of
just letting the loop iterate zero times, as in more
rationally-designed languages. It was just a pain.
On 2025-10-09, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 09 Oct 2025 01:20:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 5:21:13rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
<10c6v5p$1vjjj$3@dont-email.me>:
On 09 Oct 2025 00:08:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 2:57:17rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
<10c6mnt$1sia8$9@dont-email.me>:
On 08 Oct 2025 21:46:47 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Oct 8, 2025 at 10:36:44rC>AM MST, "MummyChunk" wrote
<Xx6dndkocu2-VHv1nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
On a Mac, you're often hunting for a third-party app to do a
specific job, but on Linux, there's almost always a powerful,
scriptable tool already in the repositories that can do exactly >>>>>>>> what you need.
If you are still talking command line, maybe. I do not find that >>>>>>> to be the case on the desktop ...
Think about why Mac aficionados felt the need to create something
like Homebrew: Linux pioneered package management, and
proprietary platforms envy that capability.
This is like saying Linux "envy's" what Apple brought to the table.
I donrCOt think it does. Homebrew is a poor imitation of Linux-style
package management.
Has little to do with what I said.
Trying to change the subject from Homebrew, now?
Ahh, so you noticed.
Kudos for observing one of snit's trolling methods.
And this is just the beginning.
It will only get worse from here because with snit, things never get better. Never.
In terms of common desktop computing, Apple brought a lot.
It was a pioneer back in the 1980s, not so much since then. Does it
still have AppleScript? That has become something of an
embarrassment.
So Apple "won" in the 1980s?
For a while, it was certainly the technology leader. That was a long
time ago.
Sure was.
They eventually captured a niche market.
A very lucrative niche market but when combined with their other devices it's made Apple a ton of money.
And it's undeniable that Apple devices interlock with each other very, very well.
Assuming you remain in the Apple walled garden and for many that's not a problem.
As far as AppleScript -- yes, still there and I still use it.
I got fed up with it back in the day because it treated an empty range
of selected elements as a programming error. These kinds of things
occur all the time; but in AppleScript, I had to keep putting in
special-case checks to make sure the range of items I wanted to
operate on was not empty, and skip the operation otherwise, instead of
just letting the loop iterate zero times, as in more
rationally-designed languages. It was just a pain.
I don't know anything about Applescript other than it's been on life support for years.
Still, it seems to survive the ax so there must be some interest in it?
Not watching TV for quite a while, I missed this Linux ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQAa_WKJxPs
...and speaking of ads: if Apple's famous "1984" ad
were made today, it would be the "Linux kid" throwing
a hammer at MacOS's face.
Have you _seen_ MacOS? It's boring. Dull. Mostly unconfigurable.
(Though just recently, they added the ability to change the color
of icons. Wowee.)
vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> news:10c27dn$o53h$1@dont-email.me Tue, 07 Oct 2025 05:11:19 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
Not watching TV for quite a while, I missed this Linux ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQAa_WKJxPs
Damn. Nice find. :) I've never seen this one before.
...and speaking of ads: if Apple's famous "1984" ad
were made today, it would be the "Linux kid" throwing
a hammer at MacOS's face.
It would be an instant improvement.
Have you _seen_ MacOS? It's boring. Dull. Mostly unconfigurable.
Yep. A walled off proprietary garden.
(Though just recently, they added the ability to change the color
of icons. Wowee.)
Oh joy. the 1980s and 90s are calling. Collect. <G>
Not watching TV for quite a while, I missed this Linux ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQAa_WKJxPs
...and speaking of ads: if Apple's famous "1984" ad
were made today, it would be the "Linux kid" throwing
a hammer at MacOS's face.
Have you _seen_ MacOS? It's boring. Dull. Mostly unconfigurable.
(Though just recently, they added the ability to change the color
of icons. Wowee.)
I have news for you. Most people are not interested in
"configuration" on a computer.
Just like they are not interested in re-arranging the controls on
the microwave oven.
Only computer geeks think an OS is something to tinker with.
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 23:56:30 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
I have news for you. Most people are not interested in
"configuration" on a computer.
Actually, lots of people are, hence the popularity of tools for doing
same.
Just like they are not interested in re-arranging the controls on
the microwave oven.
You havenrCOt seen the smart, programmable ones, where you can customize
the settings to suit your cooking style?
Only computer geeks think an OS is something to tinker with.
Only non-geeks think rCLOSrCY means rCLGUIrCY. And yes, they like to tinker with that, as werCOve seen. The geeks like to go further, and tinker
with the actual OS.
Not watching TV for quite a while, I missed this Linux ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQAa_WKJxPs
...and speaking of ads: if Apple's famous "1984" ad
were made today, it would be the "Linux kid" throwing
a hammer at MacOS's face.
Have you _seen_ MacOS? It's boring. Dull. Mostly unconfigurable.
(Though just recently, they added the ability to change the color
of icons. Wowee.)
On Oct 13, 2025 at 5:16:59aPM MST, "Lawrence D?Oliveiro" wrote <10ck4pr$2iva9$2@dont-email.me>:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 23:56:30 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
I have news for you. Most people are not interested in
"configuration" on a computer.
Actually, lots of people are, hence the popularity of tools for doing
same.
I use a number of macOS. Just some:
* Third party mouse (Logitech)
* Third party mouse driver (SteerMouse)
* Clipboard manager (CopyLess 2)
* Window manager (Moom)
* Text Expander (Typinator)
* ScreenCapture Tool (Shottr)
And then, of course, I add a lot of my own extensions or ones I got elsewhere.
I also use the built in tools more than most: Stage Manager, Spaces, spacers on the dock, tabs, and more. I also customize my toolbars and the Finder sidebar and lots more.
Just like they are not interested in re-arranging the controls on
the microwave oven.
You haven?t seen the smart, programmable ones, where you can customize
the settings to suit your cooking style?
Only computer geeks think an OS is something to tinker with.
Only non-geeks think ?OS? means ?GUI?. And yes, they like to tinker
with that, as we?ve seen. The geeks like to go further, and tinker
with the actual OS.
I like to tinker and personalize... and I am a macOS user. Linux of course gives you options macOS does not.
On Oct 7, 2025 at 1:11:19rC>AM EDT, "vallor" <vallor@vallor.earth>
wrote:
Not watching TV for quite a while, I missed this Linux ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQAa_WKJxPs
...and speaking of ads: if Apple's famous "1984" ad
were made today, it would be the "Linux kid" throwing
a hammer at MacOS's face.
No way. MacOS does not spy on you. Windows 11 - with all the
"Copilot" shit - is where the hammer goes today.
Copilot - watching EVERYTHING you do so as to make "suggestions" on
what to do next - is the very definition of 1984. It is actual,
built-in spyware.
Have you _seen_ MacOS? It's boring. Dull. Mostly unconfigurable.
Yes, I use it every day. It works just fine.
I have news for you. Most people are not interested in
"configuration" on a computer. Just like they are not interested in re-arranging the controls on the microwave oven.
Only computer geeks think an OS is something to tinker with. Most
people are simply not interested. They want to turn it on and have
it work. Like any other appliance in the house.
(Though just recently, they added the ability to change the color
of icons. Wowee.)
Have YOU seen the 1984 ad? It was not about the color of icons. Do
you even know what "1984" refers to?