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In a previous post I had trashed the junk Gnome DE.
I now wanted to trash the abominable KDE garbage.

Fortunately, or so I thought, Gentoo provides a live
USB ISO that contains KDE Plasma. So I downloaded
and burned the ISO to a USB thumb drive.

After booting I was slightly taken aback by the
clownishness of the KDE GUI and so I immediately
sought to take a screen capture.

No problem, I thought. ImageMagick was available
and all I needed to do, from a virtual terminal,
was this:

magick import plasma.png

So I did.

But no fucking joy.

WTF?

After a bit of fiddling I discovered that the Gentoo
Live OS uses Wayland, and that fucking piece-of-shit
Wayland does not support screen grabs with X11 programs.

This is fucking sacrilege!!!

Whoever shoved Wayland into the GNU/Linux ecosystem
deserves to be stoned, or quartered, or hung, or burned
at the stake, or, preferably, all of the fucking above!

Fuck Wayland and fuck all those who use and support it.
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At Thu, 02 Oct 2025 18:45:12 +0000, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> said:

In a previous post I had trashed the junk Gnome DE.
I now wanted to trash the abominable KDE garbage.

Fortunately, or so I thought, Gentoo provides a live
USB ISO that contains KDE Plasma. So I downloaded
and burned the ISO to a USB thumb drive.

After booting I was slightly taken aback by the
clownishness of the KDE GUI and so I immediately
sought to take a screen capture.

No problem, I thought. ImageMagick was available
and all I needed to do, from a virtual terminal,
was this:

magick import plasma.png

So I did.

But no fucking joy.

WTF?

(as we all know, the proper command is

$ magick import -window root -screen plasma.png

but that doesn't apply to my comment below. Carry on.)

After a bit of fiddling I discovered that the Gentoo
Live OS uses Wayland, and that fucking piece-of-shit
Wayland does not support screen grabs with X11 programs.

This is fucking sacrilege!!!

Whoever shoved Wayland into the GNU/Linux ecosystem
deserves to be stoned, or quartered, or hung, or burned
at the stake, or, preferably, all of the fucking above!

Fuck Wayland and fuck all those who use and support it.

a) so...Gentoo sucks?
b) ...Mr. "Distro-lackey"?
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 20:20:35 +0000, vallor wrote:

(as we all know, the proper command is

$ magick import -window root -screen plasma.png

We all?

You all is fucked stupid.

The command "magick import plasma.png" puts a special
cursor on the screen that allows the user to select
a specific region or window.

But the point remains: wayland literally destroys huge
numbers of X11 programs.

This makes no difference to distro lackeys, however,
who are as clueless and stupid as Trump voters.
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Le 02-10-2025, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a |-crit-a:

In a previous post I had trashed the junk Gnome DE.

No, you didn't. You insulted its look, but as always, you are unable to
say what's wrong with it. The look is only a part of the WM/DE. What's important is the way it is designed to be used. If it helps you being
faster, it's good, if not it's bad. Simple and easy.

But the only thing you can do with your computer is looking at it's
screen like if it was a picture. So, of course: you can't see the
difference between criticizing a WM/DE and criticizing its look.

I now wanted to trash the abominable KDE garbage.

I don't believe you can.

Fortunately, or so I thought, Gentoo provides a live
USB ISO that contains KDE Plasma. So I downloaded
and burned the ISO to a USB thumb drive.

OK, so there is no differences between Gentoo and other distros. Good to
know. You are a lackey like everyone else.

After booting I was slightly taken aback by the
clownishness of the KDE GUI and so I immediately
sought to take a screen capture.

I knew it. It was easy, but I knew it anyway. You can only criticizing
the look of something without being able to see if it's well designed or
not.

No problem,

Any simple step done by anyone looks like a chalenge for you.

I thought.

No, I don't believe you.

ImageMagick was available
and all I needed to do, from a virtual terminal,
was this:

Good boy. You don't know how to read documentation. For the screenshot,
magick is designed to run on X11, on on wayland.

But no fucking joy.

Of course, you can't do a simple thing by yourself.

WTF?

You don't understand what you do. You just copy paste what you found on Internet.

After a bit of fiddling I discovered that the Gentoo
Live OS uses Wayland,

I'm surprised you managed to find it.

and that fucking piece-of-shit
Wayland does not support screen grabs with X11 programs.

Nope. It's by designed.

This is fucking sacrilege!!!

Why? The X11 way to do it was wrong. Wayland provide tools do do things
the right way. For the end user, it's simple and easy.

Whoever shoved Wayland into the GNU/Linux ecosystem
deserves to be stoned, or quartered, or hung, or burned
at the stake, or, preferably, all of the fucking above!

Fuck Wayland and fuck all those who use and support it.

Why? If your need is to take a screenshot from a terminal, just use
grim. It's simple and easy:
<https://ibb.co/fYCCdXXt>

It's even faster to write than magick with an option.

If your need is to grab only a part of the screen, just give it the part
you want or combine it with slurp if you want to use your mouse to
select the right part:
<https://ibb.co/W4mTnbD6>

There's nothing difficult. Anyone except you can do that.
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Le 03-10-2025, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a |-crit-a:

On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 20:20:35 +0000, vallor wrote:

(as we all know, the proper command is

$ magick import -window root -screen plasma.png

We all?

You all is fucked stupid.

The command "magick import plasma.png" puts a special
cursor on the screen that allows the user to select
a specific region or window.

But the point remains: wayland literally destroys huge
numbers of X11 programs.

Wrong. Once again. Wayland destroys nothing. The programs still work on
X11. And the number of programs which doesn't run on wayland is far from
being huge. There are tens of thousands of programs that run on Linux.
Only a few dozen of them can't run on neither natively on wayland nor
with the help of xwayland. The only programs that don't run on wayland
are the one that want to take information from other programs the wrong
way. In which you can include screenshots.

This makes no difference to distro lackeys, however,

For a fact, you are the one unable to take screenshots with wayland. Not
me.

who are as clueless and stupid as Trump voters.

For a fact, you are the one living in the country which elected Trump.
Not me.
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On 2025-10-04, St|-phane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

Le 03-10-2025, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a |-crit-a:

On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 20:20:35 +0000, vallor wrote:

(as we all know, the proper command is

$ magick import -window root -screen plasma.png

We all?

You all is fucked stupid.

The command "magick import plasma.png" puts a special
cursor on the screen that allows the user to select
a specific region or window.

But the point remains: wayland literally destroys huge
numbers of X11 programs.

Wrong. Once again. Wayland destroys nothing. The programs still work on
X11. And the number of programs which doesn't run on wayland is far from being huge. There are tens of thousands of programs that run on Linux.
Only a few dozen of them can't run on neither natively on wayland nor
with the help of xwayland. The only programs that don't run on wayland
are the one that want to take information from other programs the wrong
way. In which you can include screenshots.

I had issues with Wayland on Linux Mint rCo changed locations of where my applications opened and I couldn't use the Ctrl+U to enter Unicode and a couple other changes Also locked up a couple times. (Again on Linux Mint, experimental, so that could be the issue.)

X11 works well for me. I'll stick with it as long as I can.

This makes no difference to distro lackeys, however,

For a fact, you are the one unable to take screenshots with wayland. Not
me.

who are as clueless and stupid as Trump voters.

For a fact, you are the one living in the country which elected Trump.
Not me.

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RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>wrote:

On 2025-10-04, St|-phane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
Le 03-10-2025, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a |-crit-a:

On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 20:20:35 +0000, vallor wrote:

(as we all know, the proper command is

$ magick import -window root -screen plasma.png

We all?

You all is fucked stupid.

The command "magick import plasma.png" puts a special
cursor on the screen that allows the user to select
a specific region or window.

But the point remains: wayland literally destroys huge
numbers of X11 programs.

Wrong. Once again. Wayland destroys nothing. The programs still work on
X11. And the number of programs which doesn't run on wayland is far from
being huge. There are tens of thousands of programs that run on Linux.
Only a few dozen of them can't run on neither natively on wayland nor
with the help of xwayland. The only programs that don't run on wayland
are the one that want to take information from other programs the wrong
way. In which you can include screenshots.

I had issues with Wayland on Linux Mint rCo changed locations of where my >applications opened and I couldn't use the Ctrl+U to enter Unicode and a >couple other changes Also locked up a couple times. (Again on Linux Mint, >experimental, so that could be the issue.)

X11 works well for me. I'll stick with it as long as I can.

Same here.
I do not see any limitation in using X11, wrote hundreds of applications for it.

I do notice a trend in computing
C is a great programming language,
then some moron developed C++ and things became a mess. operator overloading... So I void Cplusplush too.
Never needed it.

Ever 'higher level' languages are invented, mostly because the designer of those could not - or did not want to learn C.
Python an other example.

The distance between the knowledge of the hardware and that of the coders increases ever more,
resulting in more and more bloat.
Bloat then uses bloat resulting in the need of ever more powerful processors to do the simplest things,
and that then sells more hardware.
I did read that Microsoft has shares in hardware companies, so they bring out ever more computer power needed bloat software
to make more money.

I still like to code little chips in asm, not even an OS needed. https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
But also write Linux stuff:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/download.html
all open source.
What distro?
I have used grml, Slackware, Debian, Ubuntu, more..
All work fine.
fvwm, xfm, 'joe' as editor, X11, gcc, many libraries, libforms I used for the GUI stuff.
No limits in Linux.
Had to use Microsoft at work, what a pain.

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On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:14:37rC>AM MST, "St|-phane CARPENTIER" wrote <68e0e57d$0$28045$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:

Le 03-10-2025, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a |-crit :

On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 20:20:35 +0000, vallor wrote:

(as we all know, the proper command is

$ magick import -window root -screen plasma.png

We all?

You all is fucked stupid.

The command "magick import plasma.png" puts a special
cursor on the screen that allows the user to select
a specific region or window.

But the point remains: wayland literally destroys huge
numbers of X11 programs.

Wrong. Once again. Wayland destroys nothing. The programs still work on
X11. And the number of programs which doesn't run on wayland is far from being huge. There are tens of thousands of programs that run on Linux.
Only a few dozen of them can't run on neither natively on wayland nor
with the help of xwayland. The only programs that don't run on wayland
are the one that want to take information from other programs the wrong
way. In which you can include screenshots.

I am just dipping my toes back into desktop Linux after a few years of very little usage. Happy to see there has been progress. From what I have read, Wayland is more secure, easier to maintain, allows for smoother graphics, has better support for modern monitors, gives more choice (in things like options per window instead of the whole system), etc.

Not sure what specific things would jump out at me using one over the other though.

This makes no difference to distro lackeys, however,

For a fact, you are the one unable to take screenshots with wayland. Not
me.

who are as clueless and stupid as Trump voters.

For a fact, you are the one living in the country which elected Trump.
Not me.

LOL! Ouch! But true... the US has gone utterly insane. There are some who say the election was rigged -- but even if true (and I am NOT convinced) -- a huge percentage of our population is STILL supporting a fascist oligarch pushing echoes of Nazi Germany. It is horrid and getting worse.
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W dniu 2.10.2025 o-a20:45, Lester Thorpe pisze:

Whoever shoved Wayland into the GNU/Linux ecosystem
deserves to be stoned, or quartered, or hung, or burned
at the stake, or, preferably, all of the fucking above!

You feel angry and frustration. This is understandable. But above
sentence is 'hate talk' and public call for 'lynch judgment'. And this
is unacceptable. Honest people judgement leaves to the Goods and to the
court.
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In article <68ed0852$2$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...

On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:14:37aAM MST, "Stophane CARPENTIER" wrote <68e0e57d$0$28045$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:

Le 03-10-2025, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a ocrit :

On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 20:20:35 +0000, vallor wrote:

(as we all know, the proper command is

$ magick import -window root -screen plasma.png

We all?

You all is fucked stupid.

The command "magick import plasma.png" puts a special
cursor on the screen that allows the user to select
a specific region or window.

But the point remains: wayland literally destroys huge
numbers of X11 programs.

Wrong. Once again. Wayland destroys nothing. The programs still work on X11. And the number of programs which doesn't run on wayland is far from being huge. There are tens of thousands of programs that run on Linux.
Only a few dozen of them can't run on neither natively on wayland nor
with the help of xwayland. The only programs that don't run on wayland
are the one that want to take information from other programs the wrong way. In which you can include screenshots.

*WARNING! DANGER! WILL ROBINSON. SNIT CIRCUS ALERT!* *-------------------------------------------------------*

Super troll snit has invaded comp.os.linux.advocacy in
order to set up another one of his troll farms.
He's ignored in alt.computer.workshop so he is seeking
more fertile trolling grounds.
Below find a brief analysis of snit's techniques for
opening up the big top in a new group.

I am just dipping my toes back into desktop Linux after a few years of very little usage. Happy to see there has been progress.

This is snit playing the good cop, new user. It is crafted
to suck people into wanting to help out a new or outdated
Linux user.

From what I have read,
Wayland is more secure, easier to maintain, allows for smoother graphics, has better support for modern monitors, gives more choice (in things like options per window instead of the whole system), etc.

Here is where snit pretends he is just finding out
information regarding Wayland. This statement is a clever
method to pick a side of the debate in order to get people
on the other side of the debate, in this case those who
don't like Wayland, to chime in and start to troll fest
going.

Not sure what specific things would jump out at me using one over the other though.

Driving home the above with a vague statement. It's
crafted so that both sides begin arguing while snit sits
back and stokes the flames.

This makes no difference to distro lackeys, however,

For a fact, you are the one unable to take screenshots with wayland. Not me.

who are as clueless and stupid as Trump voters.

For a fact, you are the one living in the country which elected Trump.
Not me.

LOL! Ouch! But true... the US has gone utterly insane. There are some who say the election was rigged -- but even if true (and I am NOT convinced) -- a huge
percentage of our population is STILL supporting a fascist oligarch pushing echoes of Nazi Germany. It is horrid and getting worse.

The last paragraph is where snit comments on an unrelated,
volatile topic as a last ditch attempt to suck people into
the troll who may not care about Wayland but are
politically minded.

Don't fall for snit's games.
Take a look at alt.computer.workshop to see how snit's
trolling has destroyed what was once a decent group.

*Read all about the snit here*
https://tinyurl.com/WhatIsSnit
https://tinyurl.com/Snitliesmethods
https://tinyurl.com/Snit-Reviews
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done. He will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his
deep-rooted need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will
move goalposts, set up strawmen, and bore you into
submission with his endless pedanticism. The only way to
engage him is to hit and run. NEVER engage him, it's a
futile, empty procedure that will only anger you and feed
him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3
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On 10/13/2025 11:44 AM, SiO2_Man wrote:

In article <68ed0852$2$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...

*WARNING! DANGER! WILL ROBINSON. SNIT CIRCUS ALERT!* *-------------------------------------------------------*

Super troll snit has invaded comp.os.linux.advocacy in
order to set up another one of his troll farms.
He's ignored in alt.computer.workshop so he is seeking
more fertile trolling grounds.
Below find a brief analysis of snit's techniques for
opening up the big top in a new group.

I am just dipping my toes back into desktop Linux after a few years of very >> little usage. Happy to see there has been progress.

This is snit playing the good cop, new user. It is crafted
to suck people into wanting to help out a new or outdated
Linux user.

Who the fuck are *you*?
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 16:40:54 +0200, Efc|Efc#Jacek Marcin JaworskiEfc|Efc# wrote:

W dniu 2.10.2025 o-a20:45, Lester Thorpe pisze:

Whoever shoved Wayland into the GNU/Linux ecosystem
deserves to be stoned, or quartered, or hung, or burned
at the stake, or, preferably, all of the fucking above!

But above
sentence is 'hate talk'

No. The above sentence is an example of "hyperbole:"

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole>
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On Oct 13, 2025 at 9:19:09rC>AM MST, ""Joel W. Crump"" wrote <1E9HQ.17460$3VN7.4186@fx41.iad>:

On 10/13/2025 11:44 AM, SiO2_Man wrote:

In article <68ed0852$2$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...

*WARNING! DANGER! WILL ROBINSON. SNIT CIRCUS ALERT!*
*-------------------------------------------------------*

Super troll snit has invaded comp.os.linux.advocacy in
order to set up another one of his troll farms.
He's ignored in alt.computer.workshop so he is seeking
more fertile trolling grounds.
Below find a brief analysis of snit's techniques for
opening up the big top in a new group.

I am just dipping my toes back into desktop Linux after a few years of very >>> little usage. Happy to see there has been progress.

This is snit playing the good cop, new user. It is crafted
to suck people into wanting to help out a new or outdated
Linux user.

Who the fuck are *you*?

One of the trolls of ACW who cannot stand me having conversations not tied to their insane trolling. I think everyone knows the most likely person behind
it, but I will not say his name. I do not have direct proof, AND as soon as
his name is mentioned he will use that as an excuse to use his primary name here. And then the socks will reduce shortly after.

This pattern has continued for over TWENTY years.
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:11:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I do not see any limitation in using X11, wrote hundreds of applications
for it.

Did you use XLib or XCB directly, or did you go via some GUI toolkit?
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 04:16:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:11:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I do not see any limitation in using X11, wrote hundreds of
applications for it.

Did you use XLib or XCB directly, or did you go via some GUI toolkit?

Somehow when you start with Motif you always wind up banging around in
XLib.
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Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid>wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:11:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I do not see any limitation in using X11, wrote hundreds of applications
for it.

Did you use XLib or XCB directly, or did you go via some GUI toolkit?

Like I pointed out, mostly use libforms (xforms).
It worked OK, some error creapet into in long ago (the maintainer de-activated right and middle mouse button)
so I reported that the the maintainer, think it is fixed now.
still using old version from before that mouse issue.
This in my Usenet newsreader based on xforms
https://panteltje.nl/pub/NewsFleX2.gif
Source code:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/index.html
that is an older version, the Raspberry verdion I have not published that, if I get request I may, still testing.
posting with it nopw.



But I also use other ways to display in X, like this one:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/index.html
it can also run as server too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/xgpspc_on_seamonkey.gif

From the Makefile:
COMPILER=gcc

CFLAGS = -DWITH_MAIN -Wall -O2

CPPFLAGS = -I/usr/local/include -Wall

XGPSPC = xgpspc.o setup.o mpu6050.o sensors.o iiclib.o io.o x11.o graphics.o ais.o navigation.o hmc5883.o bmp180.o nmea.o markeringen.o alarms.o stepper.o udp_server.o planes.o

xgpspc: $(XGPSPC)
## $(COMPILER) -o xgpspc $(XGPSPC) -lm -lpthread -lGL -lglut
## $(COMPILER) -o xgpspc $(XGPSPC) -lm -lpthread -lXt -lXpm -lXaw
$(COMPILER) -o xgpspc $(XGPSPC) -lm -lpthread -lXaw -ljpeg

# dependencies
xgpspc.o : xgpspc.c xgpspc.h xgpspc_proto.h ais.h
setup.o : setup.c xgpspc.h xgpspc_proto.h
sensors.o : sensors.c sensors_proto.h xgpspc.h xgpspc_proto.h
mpu6050.o : mpu6050.c mpu6050.h mpu6050_proto.h io.h xgpspc.h xgpspc_proto.h iiclib.o : iiclib.c iiclib.h iiclib_proto.h xgpspc.h io.h io_proto.h xgpspc_proto.h
ii.o : io.c io.h io_proto.h xgpspc.h xgpspc_proto.h
x11.o : x11.c x11_proto.h keys.h xgpspc.h xgpspc_proto.h
graphics.o : graphics.c graphics.h graphics_proto.h xgpspc.h txtfont.h txt2font.h s14font.h xgpspc_proto.h
ais.o : ais.c ais.h ais_defs.h ais_proto.h xgpspc.h xgpspc_proto.h
navigation.o : navigation.c navigation_proto.h xgpspc.h xgpspc_proto.h hmc5883.o : hmc5883.c hmc5883.h hmc5883_proto.h xgpspc.h io.h xgpspc_proto.h bmp180.o : bmp180.c bmp180.h bmp180_proto.h xgpspc.h io.h xgpspc_proto.h
nmea.o : nmea.c nmea_proto.h nmea.h xgpspc.h xgpspc_proto.h
markeringen.o : markeringen.c xgpspc.h xgpspc_proto.h
alarms.o : alarms.c xgpspc.h io.h xgpspc_proto.h
stepper.o : stepper.c xgpspc.h io.h xgpspc_proto.h
udp_server.o: udp_server.c xgpspc.h xgpspc_proto.h
planes.o : planes.c xgpspc.h xgpspc_proto.h

install:
strip xgpspc
cp xgpspc /usr/local/bin/

So libXaw, and of course libjpeg for pictures


In the older days I wrote using just libX11.
https://panteltje.nl/pub/xkrs.jpg
Source:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xkrs/
Makefile:
CFLAGS = -O $(XKRS_ASPECT) $(NO_FD_SET) $(NO_SELECT) $(NO_GETDTABSIZE)
X11LIB = -lX11
DESTDIR = /usr/X11R6/bin
PROGDESTDIR = /usr/X11R6/bin
PROGDEST = -DPROGNAME=\"$(PROGDESTDIR)/xkrs_prog\"
MANDESTDIR = /usr/X11R6/man
MANSECT = 6
.c.o:
gcc $(CFLAGS) -c $<
OBJECT = xkrs.o xkrslib.o xglgraphi.o iiclib.o\
ramstore.o irremote.o timefunc.o zindex.o beep.o
a.out : $(OBJECT)
gcc -o xkrs $(OBJECT) $(PROGDEST) $(X11LIB)


There is a lot more...


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SiO2_Man <StockholmDetektiv@meatball.com> news:MPG.4356e87c824610fe989683@usnews.blocknews.net Mon, 13 Oct 2025
15:44:47 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:

In article <68ed0852$2$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...

On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:14:37 AM MST, "Stophane CARPENTIER" wrote
<68e0e57d$0$28045$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:

Le 03-10-2025, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a ocrit :

On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 20:20:35 +0000, vallor wrote:

(as we all know, the proper command is

$ magick import -window root -screen plasma.png

We all?

You all is fucked stupid.

The command "magick import plasma.png" puts a special
cursor on the screen that allows the user to select
a specific region or window.

But the point remains: wayland literally destroys huge
numbers of X11 programs.

Wrong. Once again. Wayland destroys nothing. The programs still work
on X11. And the number of programs which doesn't run on wayland is
far from being huge. There are tens of thousands of programs that run
on Linux. Only a few dozen of them can't run on neither natively on
wayland nor with the help of xwayland. The only programs that don't
run on wayland are the one that want to take information from other
programs the wrong way. In which you can include screenshots.

*WARNING! DANGER! WILL ROBINSON. SNIT CIRCUS ALERT!* *-------------------------------------------------------*

Super troll snit has invaded comp.os.linux.advocacy in
order to set up another one of his troll farms.
He's ignored in alt.computer.workshop so he is seeking
more fertile trolling grounds.
Below find a brief analysis of snit's techniques for
opening up the big top in a new group.

I am just dipping my toes back into desktop Linux after a few years of
very little usage. Happy to see there has been progress.

This is snit playing the good cop, new user. It is crafted
to suck people into wanting to help out a new or outdated
Linux user.

From what I have read,
Wayland is more secure, easier to maintain, allows for smoother
graphics, has better support for modern monitors, gives more choice (in
things like options per window instead of the whole system), etc.

Here is where snit pretends he is just finding out
information regarding Wayland. This statement is a clever
method to pick a side of the debate in order to get people
on the other side of the debate, in this case those who
don't like Wayland, to chime in and start to troll fest
going.

Not sure what specific things would jump out at me using one over the
other though.

Driving home the above with a vague statement. It's
crafted so that both sides begin arguing while snit sits
back and stokes the flames.

This makes no difference to distro lackeys, however,

For a fact, you are the one unable to take screenshots with wayland.
Not me.

who are as clueless and stupid as Trump voters.

For a fact, you are the one living in the country which elected
Trump. Not me.

LOL! Ouch! But true... the US has gone utterly insane. There are some
who say the election was rigged -- but even if true (and I am NOT
convinced) -- a huge percentage of our population is STILL supporting a
fascist oligarch pushing echoes of Nazi Germany. It is horrid and
getting worse.

The last paragraph is where snit comments on an unrelated,
volatile topic as a last ditch attempt to suck people into
the troll who may not care about Wayland but are
politically minded.

Don't fall for snit's games.
Take a look at alt.computer.workshop to see how snit's
trolling has destroyed what was once a decent group.

*Read all about the snit here*
https://tinyurl.com/WhatIsSnit
https://tinyurl.com/Snitliesmethods
https://tinyurl.com/Snit-Reviews

:) Nice post. I was curious to see how long Snit could play some people
before someone who knows better gave them a heads up...

Now i'm curious to see how many of them will choose to learn the hard way? Time will tell.
--
Liar, lawyer; mirror show me, what's the difference?
Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocent
Liar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the difference?
Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government

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On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 09:46:09 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 04:16:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

Did you use XLib or XCB directly, or did you go via some GUI toolkit?

Like I pointed out, mostly use libforms (xforms).

I see the Debian package has a direct dependency on libx11-6, i.e. XLib.
So not even the option to use XCB, let alone move to Wayland.
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Stophane CARPENTIER wrote:

who are as clueless and stupid as Trump voters.

For a fact, you are the one living in the country which elected Trump.
Not me.

When the alternative was a cackling moron DEI hire, who never got
close to winning even a Democratic primary?

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On 10/15/2025 7:30 PM, chrisv wrote:

St|-phane CARPENTIER wrote:

who are as clueless and stupid as Trump voters.

For a fact, you are the one living in the country which elected Trump.
Not me.

When the alternative was a cackling moron DEI hire, who never got
close to winning even a Democratic primary?

Kamala Harris was capable, Trump implied it when they debated, he liked
how she shook his hand as it was beginning. "They're eating the dogs,
they're eating the cats." Trump tried to lose but just didn't.
--
Joel W. Crump
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