• Re: Criminals whose evidence against them are their mobile devices

    From Marion@marionf@fact.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.privacy on Wed Sep 17 18:30:59 2025
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    https://news.sky.com/story/what-we-can-learn-about-charlie-kirk-suspect-tyler-robinson-from-his-charging-document-13432664

    "On the day of the shooting, Robinson allegedly sent the roommate
    a text which read: 'Drop what you are doing, look under my keyboard.'

    Prosecutors say the roommate looked under his keyboard and found
    a note that stated: 'I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk
    and I'm going to take it.'"

    "He supposedly wrote that he had planned the shooting for "a bit over
    a week' & later instructed the roommate to "delete this exchange'."

    If anyone finds out what phone he used, let us in on that please.
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  • From badgolferman@REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.privacy on Wed Sep 17 18:36:39 2025
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    Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
    https://news.sky.com/story/what-we-can-learn-about-charlie-kirk-suspect-tyler-robinson-from-his-charging-document-13432664

    "On the day of the shooting, Robinson allegedly sent the roommate
    a text which read: 'Drop what you are doing, look under my keyboard.'

    Prosecutors say the roommate looked under his keyboard and found
    a note that stated: 'I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk
    and I'm going to take it.'"

    "He supposedly wrote that he had planned the shooting for "a bit over
    a week' & later instructed the roommate to "delete this exchange'."

    If anyone finds out what phone he used, let us in on that please.


    Here are screenshots of the text message exchange. Maybe the color and
    shape of the bubbles will provide a clue.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/16/us/text-message-tyler-robinson-roomate-vis?cid=ios_app


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  • From Marion@marionf@fact.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Thu Oct 9 07:07:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    "Officials said they had used his phone data to pinpoint his location when
    the fire initially started on 1 January"

    *ChatGPT image snares suspect in deadly Pacific Palisades fire*
    <https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8exz5yg14ko>

    "Uber said Mr Rinderknecht wasn't on the popular ride-sharing app
    at the time of the fire, but the company worked closely with the
    federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)
    to help determine his whereabouts using GPS data and other
    relevant information"

    "Authorities said they also found other links between Mr Rinderknecht and
    the fire on his phone, including videos that Mr Rinderknecht had taken of firefighters trying to put out the flames."

    "The phone also showed that he repeatedly called 911 just after midnight on
    New Year's day, but could not get through because of patchy mobile
    reception on the trailhead. There was a screen recording of him trying to
    call emergency services and at one point being connected with a
    dispatcher."

    Interestingly, they had records, apparently, of his ChatGPT conversations:
    "In July 2024, five months before he allegedly set the fire,
    Mr Rinderknecht asked ChatGPT to create an image of a "dystopian painting" that included a burning forest and a crowd of people running away
    from a fire, according to investigators."

    "A month before allegedly setting the fire, Mr Rinderknecht allegedly
    inputted a prompt to ChatGPT that included the text: "I literally burnt the Bible that I had. It felt amazing. I felt so liberated."

    It will be interesting to see what kind of phone these criminals use.
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  • From badgolferman@REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Thu Oct 9 10:27:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
    "Officials said they had used his phone data to pinpoint his location when the fire initially started on 1 January"

    *ChatGPT image snares suspect in deadly Pacific Palisades fire*
    <https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8exz5yg14ko>

    "Uber said Mr Rinderknecht wasn't on the popular ride-sharing app
    at the time of the fire, but the company worked closely with the
    federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)
    to help determine his whereabouts using GPS data and other
    relevant information"

    "Authorities said they also found other links between Mr Rinderknecht and
    the fire on his phone, including videos that Mr Rinderknecht had taken of firefighters trying to put out the flames."

    "The phone also showed that he repeatedly called 911 just after midnight on New Year's day, but could not get through because of patchy mobile
    reception on the trailhead. There was a screen recording of him trying to call emergency services and at one point being connected with a
    dispatcher."

    Interestingly, they had records, apparently, of his ChatGPT conversations:
    "In July 2024, five months before he allegedly set the fire,
    Mr Rinderknecht asked ChatGPT to create an image of a "dystopian painting" that included a burning forest and a crowd of people running away
    from a fire, according to investigators."

    "A month before allegedly setting the fire, Mr Rinderknecht allegedly inputted a prompt to ChatGPT that included the text: "I literally burnt the Bible that I had. It felt amazing. I felt so liberated."

    It will be interesting to see what kind of phone these criminals use.


    He then allegedly parked his car and tried to contact a former friend.
    After he couldn't get a hold of them, officials said he then proceeded to
    walk up a trail and took videos on his iPhone from a hilltop. According to
    the criminal complaint, Rinderknecht claims that he offered to help fight
    the fires, with the investigators noting that this is "highly unusual
    conduct."

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/who-is-jonathan-rinderknecht-palisades-fire-suspect-accused-of-sparking-deadly-blaze
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  • From Marion@marionf@fact.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android on Thu Oct 9 21:38:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.android

    badgolferman wrote:
    It will be interesting to see what kind of phone these criminals use.


    He then allegedly parked his car and tried to contact a former friend.
    After he couldn't get a hold of them, officials said he then proceeded to walk up a trail and took videos on his iPhone from a hilltop. According to the criminal complaint, Rinderknecht claims that he offered to help fight
    the fires, with the investigators noting that this is "highly unusual conduct."

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/who-is-jonathan-rinderknecht-palisades-fire-suspect-accused-of-sparking-deadly-blaze

    Thanks for finding that information. From that I dug a bit deeper and it
    seems he kept his phone and data intact given the investigators apparently
    even know what songs he listened to, and when he listened to them.

    From that article, apparently on November 1st, 2024 he "Told ChatGPT, I literally burnt the Bible that I had. It felt amazing."

    I looked up how E911 gets their location and apparently it turns on all the relevant radios (and even the barometric, aka altitude, sensor in phones).

    You can't turn it off since it's done at the lowest levels in the OS.
    I'm not sure if the original (unconnected) calls placed him near the fire
    locus but later calls to E911 certainly showed the nearest tower down to
    the specific sector antenna based on information I googled just now.

    What's interesting is he was already forming his alibi, apparently...
    "Successfully connected to 911 near the bottom of the trail to report the
    fire. During the call, he typed into ChatGPT: "Are you at fault if a
    fire is lift [sic] because of your cigarettes?" ChatGPT, according
    to the complaint, responded with "Yes," along with an explanation."

    Looking up when investigators confiscated his phone, it seems the most
    reliable date is on or around November 8th 2024, so he kept the phone
    intact the whole time, which seems rather strange since he should have
    thrown it over the next bridge.

    I guess he really loved his iPhone, but if he did love it so much, you'd
    think he would wipe it and trade it in for a later model, if available.

    https://abc7.com/post/department-justice-hold-news-conference-palisades-fire-investigation/17963467/
    https://abc7.com/post/jonathan-rinderknecht-what-know-suspect-accused-sparking-deadly-palisades-fire/17966965/
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/29-year-old-man-accused-of-starting-blaze-that-turned-into-destructive-palisades-fire/ar-AA1O5dAf
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-arrested-in-connection-to-los-angeles-fire-what-we-know-about-jonathan-rinderknecht/ar-AA1O7iU1
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/arrest-made-palisades-fire-investigation-rcna236378
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/burned-bible-chatgpt-messages-chilling-021534354.html
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