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I am slowly starting the implementation of TIP 723 "timer".

The timer command should be an ensemble, to be extensible.
Or is this a stupid idea?
I thought, most core commands are ensembles. Is this true?
I don't find any reference to CreateEnsemble expect in the library/tclEnsemble.c file. How do I design a core command as ensemble ?

Thanks for any idea,
Harald
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On 21/08/2025 18:19, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

I don't find any reference to CreateEnsemble expect in the library/ tclEnsemble.c file.

One of the references in library/tclEnsemble.c is in the function TclMakeEnsemble(). Tthat is the function that most core ensembles use.


Schelte.

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Am 22.08.2025 um 11:45 schrieb Schelte:

On 21/08/2025 18:19, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

I don't find any reference to CreateEnsemble expect in the library/
tclEnsemble.c file.

One of the references in library/tclEnsemble.c is in the function TclMakeEnsemble(). Tthat is the function that most core ensembles use.

Schelte.

Great pointer, thanks, I appreciate.
Yes, binary, string, namespace, they are all there.

That is great, thank you !

Take care,
Harald


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While I am neutral on implementation as ensembles, I will point out that extending core command ensembles with user / package defined ones has
the potential for conflicts for the same reasons as adding commands to
the global or tcl namespaces.

/Ashok

On 8/22/2025 3:39 PM, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

Am 22.08.2025 um 11:45 schrieb Schelte:

On 21/08/2025 18:19, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

I don't find any reference to CreateEnsemble expect in the library/
tclEnsemble.c file.

One of the references in library/tclEnsemble.c is in the function
TclMakeEnsemble(). Tthat is the function that most core ensembles use.


Schelte.

Great pointer, thanks, I appreciate.
Yes, binary, string, namespace, they are all there.

That is great, thank you !

Take care,
Harald

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Just to clarify, I was not referring to the command syntax but only to
the implementation as ensembles that can be extended. Implementing
commands with subcommands via good old Tcl_GetIndexFromObj is often
simpler and faster. What you lose is user-extensibility which imo is not always desirable. Still, I suppose the fact most core commands are
implemented that way now would imply I am in the minority in that opinion.

/Ashok

On 8/30/2025 12:02 PM, Ashok wrote:

While I am neutral on implementation as ensembles, I will point out that extending core command ensembles with user / package defined ones has
the potential for conflicts for the same reasons as adding commands to
the global or tcl namespaces.

/Ashok

On 8/22/2025 3:39 PM, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

Am 22.08.2025 um 11:45 schrieb Schelte:

On 21/08/2025 18:19, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

I don't find any reference to CreateEnsemble expect in the library/
tclEnsemble.c file.

One of the references in library/tclEnsemble.c is in the function
TclMakeEnsemble(). Tthat is the function that most core ensembles use.


Schelte.

Great pointer, thanks, I appreciate.
Yes, binary, string, namespace, they are all there.

That is great, thank you !

Take care,
Harald

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Ashok,
I thank you for the comment.
I only remember a post by Don Porter, that nowdays, all core commands
are ensembles. That is the only reason, why I tried an ensemble implementation. I personally never used ensembles in a consious manner.

Thanks for all,
Harald

Am 30.08.2025 um 08:40 schrieb Ashok:

Just to clarify, I was not referring to the command syntax but only to
the implementation as ensembles that can be extended. Implementing
commands with subcommands via good old Tcl_GetIndexFromObj is often
simpler and faster. What you lose is user-extensibility which imo is not always desirable. Still, I suppose the fact most core commands are implemented that way now would imply I am in the minority in that opinion.

/Ashok

On 8/30/2025 12:02 PM, Ashok wrote:

While I am neutral on implementation as ensembles, I will point out
that extending core command ensembles with user / package defined ones
has the potential for conflicts for the same reasons as adding
commands to the global or tcl namespaces.

/Ashok

On 8/22/2025 3:39 PM, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

Am 22.08.2025 um 11:45 schrieb Schelte:

On 21/08/2025 18:19, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

I don't find any reference to CreateEnsemble expect in the library/ >>>>> tclEnsemble.c file.

One of the references in library/tclEnsemble.c is in the function
TclMakeEnsemble(). Tthat is the function that most core ensembles use. >>>>

Schelte.

Great pointer, thanks, I appreciate.
Yes, binary, string, namespace, they are all there.

That is great, thank you !

Take care,
Harald

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In article <108u6dp$2et73$2@dont-email.me>,
Ashok <apnmbx-public@yahoo.com> wrote:

Just to clarify, I was not referring to the command syntax but only to
the implementation as ensembles that can be extended. Implementing
commands with subcommands via good old Tcl_GetIndexFromObj is often
simpler and faster. What you lose is user-extensibility which imo is not >always desirable. Still, I suppose the fact most core commands are >implemented that way now would imply I am in the minority in that opinion.

Just out of curiosity, when you say "los[ing] user-extensibility is not
always desirable", do you mean that losing it is sometimes desirable and sometimes not *or* do you mean that user-extensibility itself is not always desirable?
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That's so sweet...
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Ashok,
after rethinking, ensembles are quite handy for me in the following case:

I have an older TCL version and want to add a pure script limited
emulation of a method added in a later version.
Then, ensembles were helpful for me.

THanks for all,
Harald

Am 30.08.2025 um 12:05 schrieb Harald Oehlmann:

Ashok,
I thank you for the comment.
I only remember a post by Don Porter, that nowdays, all core commands
are ensembles. That is the only reason, why I tried an ensemble implementation. I personally never used ensembles in a consious manner.

Thanks for all,
Harald

Am 30.08.2025 um 08:40 schrieb Ashok:

Just to clarify, I was not referring to the command syntax but only to
the implementation as ensembles that can be extended. Implementing
commands with subcommands via good old Tcl_GetIndexFromObj is often
simpler and faster. What you lose is user-extensibility which imo is
not always desirable. Still, I suppose the fact most core commands are
implemented that way now would imply I am in the minority in that
opinion.

/Ashok

On 8/30/2025 12:02 PM, Ashok wrote:

While I am neutral on implementation as ensembles, I will point out
that extending core command ensembles with user / package defined
ones has the potential for conflicts for the same reasons as adding
commands to the global or tcl namespaces.

/Ashok

On 8/22/2025 3:39 PM, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

Am 22.08.2025 um 11:45 schrieb Schelte:

On 21/08/2025 18:19, Harald Oehlmann wrote:

I don't find any reference to CreateEnsemble expect in the
library/ tclEnsemble.c file.

One of the references in library/tclEnsemble.c is in the function
TclMakeEnsemble(). Tthat is the function that most core ensembles use. >>>>>

Schelte.

Great pointer, thanks, I appreciate.
Yes, binary, string, namespace, they are all there.

That is great, thank you !

Take care,
Harald

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