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......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-reward- physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/? utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-reward- physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/? utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those idiotic
screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-reward-
physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take
notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
screen "press" should make no difference to anyone. It's not like either
are difficult.
Fuck ANCAP. They're about as irrelevant as they can possibly be right now....
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those idiotic
screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-reward-
physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take
notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
On 13/08/2025 8:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those
idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-reward-
physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take
notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I realised
that operating many of the screen based controls required me to take my
eyes off the road. Fortunately, I had a passenger who was able to
operate those controls for me. Some controls were so well hidden that I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An abject and utter failure of ergonomics.
-aWhether you touch a physical button or an on
screen "press" should make no difference to anyone. It's not like
either are difficult.
**After driving a Tesla Model 3 AWD, I can tell you that the screen
based controls are horrible. BYD does it MUCH better with physical
controls.
Fuck ANCAP. They're about as irrelevant as they can possibly be right
now....
**I applaud ANCAP for highlighting the stupidity of some screen based controls.
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based controls
are a good idea.
On 13/08/2025 8:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take
notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I realised
that operating many of the screen based controls required me to take my
eyes off the road. Fortunately, I had a passenger who was able to
operate those controls for me. Some controls were so well hidden that I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An abject and utter failure of ergonomics.
-aWhether you touch a physical button or an on
screen "press" should make no difference to anyone. It's not like
either are difficult.
**After driving a Tesla Model 3 AWD, I can tell you that the screen
based controls are horrible. BYD does it MUCH better with physical
controls.
Fuck ANCAP. They're about as irrelevant as they can possibly be right
now....
**I applaud ANCAP for highlighting the stupidity of some screen based controls.
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based controls
are a good idea.
On 13/08/2025 6:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those
idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-reward-
physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take
notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
Anyone who isn't a dumb cunt like you.
Physical buttons can be controlled without taking your eyes off the road most of the time.
Good luck doing that with the convoluted menu systems to do basic tasks.
On 13/08/2025 6:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those
idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-reward-
physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take
notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
Anyone who isn't a dumb cunt like you.
Physical buttons can be controlled without taking your eyes off the road most of the time.
Good luck doing that with the convoluted menu systems to do basic tasks.
On 13/08/2025 8:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those
idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-reward-
physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take
notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I realised
that operating many of the screen based controls required me to take my
eyes off the road.
Fortunately, I had a passenger who was able to
operate those controls for me. Some controls were so well hidden that I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An abject and utter failure of ergonomics.
-aWhether you touch a physical button or an on
screen "press" should make no difference to anyone. It's not like
either are difficult.
**After driving a Tesla Model 3 AWD, I can tell you that the screen
based controls are horrible. BYD does it MUCH better with physical
controls.
Fuck ANCAP. They're about as irrelevant as they can possibly be right
now....
**I applaud ANCAP for highlighting the stupidity of some screen based controls.
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based controls
are a good idea.
On 14/08/2025 8:13 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/08/2025 8:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take
notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I realised
that operating many of the screen based controls required me to take
my eyes off the road. Fortunately, I had a passenger who was able to
operate those controls for me. Some controls were so well hidden that
I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An abject and utter failure
of ergonomics.
And to me that sounds like a case of you not familiarising yourself with
the car before driving it.
Hard to blame MG for that.
-a-aWhether you touch a physical button or an on
screen "press" should make no difference to anyone. It's not like
either are difficult.
**After driving a Tesla Model 3 AWD, I can tell you that the screen
based controls are horrible. BYD does it MUCH better with physical
controls.
Fuck ANCAP. They're about as irrelevant as they can possibly be right
now....
**I applaud ANCAP for highlighting the stupidity of some screen based
controls.
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based controls
are a good idea.
I have them in my Ranger. They don't bother me, but then I'm familiar
with the vehicle.
On 14/08/2025 8:13 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/08/2025 8:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take
notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I realised
that operating many of the screen based controls required me to take
my eyes off the road. Fortunately, I had a passenger who was able to
operate those controls for me. Some controls were so well hidden that
I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An abject and utter failure
of ergonomics.
And to me that sounds like a case of you not familiarising yourself with
the car before driving it.
Hard to blame MG for that.
-a-aWhether you touch a physical button or an on
screen "press" should make no difference to anyone. It's not like
either are difficult.
**After driving a Tesla Model 3 AWD, I can tell you that the screen
based controls are horrible. BYD does it MUCH better with physical
controls.
Fuck ANCAP. They're about as irrelevant as they can possibly be right
now....
**I applaud ANCAP for highlighting the stupidity of some screen based
controls.
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based controls
are a good idea.
I have them in my Ranger. They don't bother me, but then I'm familiar
with the vehicle.
On 14/08/2025 6:37 pm, Noddy wrote:
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I realised
that operating many of the screen based controls required me to take
my eyes off the road. Fortunately, I had a passenger who was able to
operate those controls for me. Some controls were so well hidden that
I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An abject and utter
failure of ergonomics.
And to me that sounds like a case of you not familiarising yourself
with the car before driving it.
**Bullshit. The controls on the MG were so utterly hopelessly designed
that I defy anyone to operate them safely. As for the Tesla, they are sub-standard, compared to physical controls. Try it. You'll understand.
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based controls
are a good idea.
I have them in my Ranger. They don't bother me, but then I'm familiar
with the vehicle.
**I am not familiar with the Ranger, but I am familiar with the MG and
the Tesla. The controls are fucked.
On 15/08/2025 6:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
**I am not familiar with the Ranger, but I am familiar with the MG and
the Tesla. The controls are fucked.
As I said, give us some examples. And as you always say, be specific.
Like what? Give us some examples, or are you just making shit up to try
to be relevant?
On 14/08/2025 6:13 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/08/2025 8:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those
idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-reward-
physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take
notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I realised
that operating many of the screen based controls required me to take
my eyes off the road. Fortunately, I had a passenger who was able to
operate those controls for me. Some controls were so well hidden that
I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An abject and utter failure
of ergonomics.
-a-aWhether you touch a physical button or an on
screen "press" should make no difference to anyone. It's not like
either are difficult.
**After driving a Tesla Model 3 AWD, I can tell you that the screen
based controls are horrible. BYD does it MUCH better with physical
controls.
Fuck ANCAP. They're about as irrelevant as they can possibly be right
now....
**I applaud ANCAP for highlighting the stupidity of some screen based
controls.
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based controls
are a good idea.
They are awful.
Anyone who thinks menu systems are even remotely comparable to physical controls in terms of ease of use and safety has shit for brains.
Noddy wrote:
Like what? Give us some examples, or are you just making shit up to try
to be relevant?
LOL!
There's only one person here who does that Fraudster. (Hint: You)
alvey
Thinking that if irony was the same price as iron ore then Buffo would
make Gina R look like a street beggar.
On 14-Aug-25 1:43 PM, Clocky wrote:
On 14/08/2025 6:13 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/08/2025 8:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those
idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-reward- >>>>> physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take
notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I realised
that operating many of the screen based controls required me to take
my eyes off the road. Fortunately, I had a passenger who was able to
operate those controls for me. Some controls were so well hidden that
I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An abject and utter
failure of ergonomics.
-a-aWhether you touch a physical button or an on
screen "press" should make no difference to anyone. It's not like
either are difficult.
**After driving a Tesla Model 3 AWD, I can tell you that the screen
based controls are horrible. BYD does it MUCH better with physical
controls.
Fuck ANCAP. They're about as irrelevant as they can possibly be
right now....
**I applaud ANCAP for highlighting the stupidity of some screen based
controls.
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based controls
are a good idea.
They are awful.
Anyone who thinks menu systems are even remotely comparable to
physical controls in terms of ease of use and safety has shit for brains.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-aIts not all that long ago when you were not allowed to have *any
screen* working that could be seen by the driver....
-a-a-a Still much the same rule, however,the powers that be have *bent*
the rules to cater to the fact that virtually *all* vehicles have *built
in* VDU`s now... So it has (somehow) become *safe* to *see* the screen.. Uh-Huh, sure.
-a-a-a To make the situation *worse, there are *now* bugger all VDU`s that have tactile controls, (actual bloody buttons) which for mine is fuckin' dangerous!.(more so)
-a-a How can one work thru a menu, and keep yer eyes on the road.?? If
the buttons were tactile you would (might) have a chance.
-a As usual, its all about $$$$$`s, (and the whims of the car makers)
Like what? Give us some examples, or are you just making shit up to try
to be relevant?
On 14/8/2025 1:41 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 13/08/2025 6:41 pm, Noddy wrote:Darren the bling man strikes again - strikes out that is...
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those
idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-reward-
physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take
notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
Anyone who isn't a dumb cunt like you.
Physical buttons can be controlled without taking your eyes off the
road most of the time.
Good luck doing that with the convoluted menu systems to do basic tasks.
On 15/08/2025 6:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/08/2025 6:37 pm, Noddy wrote:
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I
realised that operating many of the screen based controls required
me to take my eyes off the road. Fortunately, I had a passenger who
was able to operate those controls for me. Some controls were so
well hidden that I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An
abject and utter failure of ergonomics.
And to me that sounds like a case of you not familiarising yourself
with the car before driving it.
**Bullshit. The controls on the MG were so utterly hopelessly designed
that I defy anyone to operate them safely. As for the Tesla, they are
sub-standard, compared to physical controls. Try it. You'll understand.
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some specific examples....
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based
controls are a good idea.
I have them in my Ranger. They don't bother me, but then I'm familiar
with the vehicle.
**I am not familiar with the Ranger, but I am familiar with the MG and
the Tesla. The controls are fucked.
As I said, give us some examples. And as you always say, be specific.
On 15/8/2025 11:03 am, jonz wrote:
On 14-Aug-25 1:43 PM, Clocky wrote:AFAIK its mostly about cost, its a lot cheaper to make a screen and some software to run it than design and build an older style dash board.
On 14/08/2025 6:13 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/08/2025 8:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those
idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-
reward- physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take
notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I
realised that operating many of the screen based controls required
me to take my eyes off the road. Fortunately, I had a passenger who
was able to operate those controls for me. Some controls were so
well hidden that I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An
abject and utter failure of ergonomics.
-a-aWhether you touch a physical button or an on
screen "press" should make no difference to anyone. It's not like
either are difficult.
**After driving a Tesla Model 3 AWD, I can tell you that the screen
based controls are horrible. BYD does it MUCH better with physical
controls.
Fuck ANCAP. They're about as irrelevant as they can possibly be
right now....
**I applaud ANCAP for highlighting the stupidity of some screen
based controls.
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based
controls are a good idea.
They are awful.
Anyone who thinks menu systems are even remotely comparable to
physical controls in terms of ease of use and safety has shit for
brains.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-a-aIts not all that long ago when you were not allowed to have *any
screen* working that could be seen by the driver....
-a-a-a-a Still much the same rule, however,the powers that be have *bent* >> the rules to cater to the fact that virtually *all* vehicles have
*built in* VDU`s now... So it has (somehow) become *safe* to *see* the
screen.. Uh-Huh, sure.
-a-a-a-a To make the situation *worse, there are *now* bugger all VDU`s
that have tactile controls, (actual bloody buttons) which for mine is
fuckin' dangerous!.(more so)
-a-a-a How can one work thru a menu, and keep yer eyes on the road.?? If
the buttons were tactile you would (might) have a chance.
-a-a As usual, its all about $$$$$`s, (and the whims of the car makers)
From what I see and hear on the many reviews I watch some car makers do
a pretty decent job of their controls while others make a complete hash
of them.
Our 2016 MK7.5 VW Golf has older style buttons, for the Mk8 VW went to
all haptic controls and were widely criticized, so much so than on the
MK8.5 Golf they partly went back to buttons.
A friend recently traded his Tesla Model 3 for a Kona BEV mostly because
he was over the Tesla touch controls.
On 15/08/2025 1:35 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 15/8/2025 11:03 am, jonz wrote:
On 14-Aug-25 1:43 PM, Clocky wrote:AFAIK its mostly about cost, its a lot cheaper to make a screen and
On 14/08/2025 6:13 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/08/2025 8:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those
idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-
reward- physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take >>>>>>> notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I
realised that operating many of the screen based controls required
me to take my eyes off the road. Fortunately, I had a passenger who >>>>> was able to operate those controls for me. Some controls were so
well hidden that I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An
abject and utter failure of ergonomics.
-a-aWhether you touch a physical button or an on
screen "press" should make no difference to anyone. It's not like >>>>>> either are difficult.
**After driving a Tesla Model 3 AWD, I can tell you that the screen >>>>> based controls are horrible. BYD does it MUCH better with physical
controls.
Fuck ANCAP. They're about as irrelevant as they can possibly be
right now....
**I applaud ANCAP for highlighting the stupidity of some screen
based controls.
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based
controls are a good idea.
They are awful.
Anyone who thinks menu systems are even remotely comparable to
physical controls in terms of ease of use and safety has shit for
brains.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-a-aIts not all that long ago when you were not allowed to have *any
screen* working that could be seen by the driver....
-a-a-a-a Still much the same rule, however,the powers that be have *bent* >>> the rules to cater to the fact that virtually *all* vehicles have
*built in* VDU`s now... So it has (somehow) become *safe* to *see*
the screen.. Uh-Huh, sure.
-a-a-a-a To make the situation *worse, there are *now* bugger all VDU`s >>> that have tactile controls, (actual bloody buttons) which for mine is
fuckin' dangerous!.(more so)
-a-a-a How can one work thru a menu, and keep yer eyes on the road.?? If >>> the buttons were tactile you would (might) have a chance.
-a-a As usual, its all about $$$$$`s, (and the whims of the car makers)
some software to run it than design and build an older style dash board.
-aFrom what I see and hear on the many reviews I watch some car makers
do a pretty decent job of their controls while others make a complete
hash of them.
Our 2016 MK7.5 VW Golf has older style buttons, for the Mk8 VW went to
all haptic controls and were widely criticized, so much so than on the
MK8.5 Golf they partly went back to buttons.
A friend recently traded his Tesla Model 3 for a Kona BEV mostly
because he was over the Tesla touch controls.
**Well, that's just weird. The Kona (Chinese built, not Korean) is a
POS. Whilst there are some criticisms of the Telsa Model 3, it walks all over the Kona in every area. I can't say the same about the Ioniq 5, as
it is a damn fine car. But the Kona is just cheap shit. Sadly. I reckon Hyundai have done themselves real damage over the Kona BEV. I'd put
slightly above an MG. Barely.
Your friend either has no taste, or can't afford a decent car.
On 14/08/2025 4:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
<snip moron speak>
Like what? Give us some examples, or are you just making shit up to
try to be relevant?
Examples have been given in this thread.
On 15/08/2025 7:54 am, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some specific
examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control. There are others, but it's been awhile.
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car. The
driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There has been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK. The air con controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no complaints from me there, though I'd much rather have physical controls.
On 15/08/2025 5:19 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 14/08/2025 4:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
<snip moron speak>
Like what? Give us some examples, or are you just making shit up to
try to be relevant?
Examples have been given in this thread.
Shut the fuck up, you inbred clog wearing cunt. No one was asking you....
On 15/08/2025 1:35 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 15/8/2025 11:03 am, jonz wrote:
On 14-Aug-25 1:43 PM, Clocky wrote:AFAIK its mostly about cost, its a lot cheaper to make a screen and
On 14/08/2025 6:13 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/08/2025 8:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those
idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-
reward- physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take >>>>>>> notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I
realised that operating many of the screen based controls required
me to take my eyes off the road. Fortunately, I had a passenger who >>>>> was able to operate those controls for me. Some controls were so
well hidden that I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An
abject and utter failure of ergonomics.
-a-aWhether you touch a physical button or an on
screen "press" should make no difference to anyone. It's not like >>>>>> either are difficult.
**After driving a Tesla Model 3 AWD, I can tell you that the screen >>>>> based controls are horrible. BYD does it MUCH better with physical
controls.
Fuck ANCAP. They're about as irrelevant as they can possibly be
right now....
**I applaud ANCAP for highlighting the stupidity of some screen
based controls.
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based
controls are a good idea.
They are awful.
Anyone who thinks menu systems are even remotely comparable to
physical controls in terms of ease of use and safety has shit for
brains.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-a-aIts not all that long ago when you were not allowed to have *any
screen* working that could be seen by the driver....
-a-a-a-a Still much the same rule, however,the powers that be have *bent* >>> the rules to cater to the fact that virtually *all* vehicles have
*built in* VDU`s now... So it has (somehow) become *safe* to *see*
the screen.. Uh-Huh, sure.
-a-a-a-a To make the situation *worse, there are *now* bugger all VDU`s >>> that have tactile controls, (actual bloody buttons) which for mine is
fuckin' dangerous!.(more so)
-a-a-a How can one work thru a menu, and keep yer eyes on the road.?? If >>> the buttons were tactile you would (might) have a chance.
-a-a As usual, its all about $$$$$`s, (and the whims of the car makers)
some software to run it than design and build an older style dash board.
-aFrom what I see and hear on the many reviews I watch some car makers
do a pretty decent job of their controls while others make a complete
hash of them.
Our 2016 MK7.5 VW Golf has older style buttons, for the Mk8 VW went to
all haptic controls and were widely criticized, so much so than on the
MK8.5 Golf they partly went back to buttons.
A friend recently traded his Tesla Model 3 for a Kona BEV mostly
because he was over the Tesla touch controls.
**Well, that's just weird. The Kona (Chinese built, not Korean) is a
POS. Whilst there are some criticisms of the Telsa Model 3, it walks all over the Kona in every area. I can't say the same about the Ioniq 5, as
it is a damn fine car. But the Kona is just cheap shit. Sadly. I reckon Hyundai have done themselves real damage over the Kona BEV. I'd put
slightly above an MG. Barely.
Your friend either has no taste, or can't afford a decent car.
On 15/08/2025 7:38 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 7:54 am, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some specific
examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control. There
are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car. The
driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to. So
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre of
the dash in 1959, and unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There has
been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK. The air
con controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no complaints
from me there, though I'd much rather have physical controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand your complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any more or
less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
On 15/08/2025 7:38 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 7:54 am, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some specific
examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control. There
are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car. The
driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to. So
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre of
the dash in 1959, and unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There has
been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK. The air
con controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no complaints
from me there, though I'd much rather have physical controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand your complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any more or
less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
On 15/8/2025 7:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 1:35 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 15/8/2025 11:03 am, jonz wrote:
On 14-Aug-25 1:43 PM, Clocky wrote:AFAIK its mostly about cost, its a lot cheaper to make a screen and
On 14/08/2025 6:13 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/08/2025 8:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those >>>>>>>> idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-
reward- physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take >>>>>>>> notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I
realised that operating many of the screen based controls required >>>>>> me to take my eyes off the road. Fortunately, I had a passenger
who was able to operate those controls for me. Some controls were >>>>>> so well hidden that I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An >>>>>> abject and utter failure of ergonomics.
-a-aWhether you touch a physical button or an on
screen "press" should make no difference to anyone. It's not like >>>>>>> either are difficult.
**After driving a Tesla Model 3 AWD, I can tell you that the
screen based controls are horrible. BYD does it MUCH better with
physical controls.
Fuck ANCAP. They're about as irrelevant as they can possibly be >>>>>>> right now....
**I applaud ANCAP for highlighting the stupidity of some screen
based controls.
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based
controls are a good idea.
They are awful.
Anyone who thinks menu systems are even remotely comparable to
physical controls in terms of ease of use and safety has shit for
brains.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-a-aIts not all that long ago when you were not allowed to have *any
screen* working that could be seen by the driver....
-a-a-a-a Still much the same rule, however,the powers that be have
*bent* the rules to cater to the fact that virtually *all* vehicles
have *built in* VDU`s now... So it has (somehow) become *safe* to
*see* the screen.. Uh-Huh, sure.
-a-a-a-a To make the situation *worse, there are *now* bugger all VDU`s >>>> that have tactile controls, (actual bloody buttons) which for mine
is fuckin' dangerous!.(more so)
-a-a-a How can one work thru a menu, and keep yer eyes on the road.?? >>>> If the buttons were tactile you would (might) have a chance.
-a-a As usual, its all about $$$$$`s, (and the whims of the car makers) >>>>
some software to run it than design and build an older style dash board. >>> -aFrom what I see and hear on the many reviews I watch some car makers
do a pretty decent job of their controls while others make a complete
hash of them.
Our 2016 MK7.5 VW Golf has older style buttons, for the Mk8 VW went
to all haptic controls and were widely criticized, so much so than on
the MK8.5 Golf they partly went back to buttons.
A friend recently traded his Tesla Model 3 for a Kona BEV mostly
because he was over the Tesla touch controls.
**Well, that's just weird. The Kona (Chinese built, not Korean) is a
POS. Whilst there are some criticisms of the Telsa Model 3, it walks
all over the Kona in every area. I can't say the same about the Ioniq
5, as it is a damn fine car. But the Kona is just cheap shit. Sadly. I
reckon Hyundai have done themselves real damage over the Kona BEV. I'd
put slightly above an MG. Barely.
Your friend either has no taste, or can't afford a decent car.
I haven't seen it but was told that he bought a Kona, he is a retired electrical engineer which AFAIK is why he was interested in and bought
the Tesla, if he could afford a Tesla then no doubt he could afford a
decent car.
He's not what I would call a "car person", to him a car is just transport.
I think that his wife's Camry Hybrid is far better than either.
I have driven an early Kona full electric which looked like Hyundai
grabbed a petrol Kona, ripped out the IC engine and fitted an electric
motor etc so it wasn't a ground up EV design, it was okay to drive apart from the horrendous torque steer, looked to be reasonably well equipped
and of reasonable build quality, maybe the new Kona EV is just a
rebadged Chinese car?
What specifically is wrong with it?
On 15/8/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 15/08/2025 7:38 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:Not saying that something like this exists but imagine needing to scroll through a couple of menus to find the windscreen wiper controls just
On 15/08/2025 7:54 am, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control. There
are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car. The
driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to. So
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre of
the dash in 1959, and unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There
has been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK. The
air con controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no
complaints from me there, though I'd much rather have physical controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand your
complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any more
or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
when you hit a patch of heavy rain, that exact scenario might not exist
but its the sort of thing that people are complaining about, some car screens are apparently that badly designed.
Its not so much the need to touch a screen vs a normal button but the
poor menu layout some cars have making it hard to find the button you
want to press, some do it a lot better than others with simple easy to
read layouts, others are all over the place, hence the problem.
On 15/08/2025 5:19 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 14/08/2025 4:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
<snip moron speak>
Like what? Give us some examples, or are you just making shit up to
try to be relevant?
Examples have been given in this thread.
Shut the fuck up, you inbred clog wearing cunt. No one was asking you....
On 15/8/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
Not saying that something like this exists but imagine needing to scroll through a couple of menus to find the windscreen wiper controls just
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand your
complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any more
or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
when you hit a patch of heavy rain, that exact scenario might not exist
but its the sort of thing that people are complaining about, some car screens are apparently that badly designed.
Its not so much the need to touch a screen vs a normal button but the
poor menu layout some cars have making it hard to find the button you
want to press, some do it a lot better than others with simple easy to
read layouts, others are all over the place, hence the problem.
On 15/8/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 15/08/2025 7:38 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 7:54 am, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control. There
are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car. The
driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to. So
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre of
the dash in 1959, and unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
The original Mini had the speedo in the centre of the dash to save on manufacturing costs and it also enabled the same arrangement be used in left-hand or right-hand drive cars. In other words, it was a cost saving measure. The question has to be asked - how long did they keep it there?
My Clubman had the speedo in front of the driver. Bottom line,
ergonomics, and safety, were forsaken for the sake of economy.
The Toyota Yaris had the same thing, a central speedo binnacle, albeit angled towards the driver. Sometime along the way they went to a driver facing speedo, much safer and required only a slight downward eye glance rather than a full head movement. Much safer.
The new MINI originally had a central speedo for *historical purposes*
but even they had to succumb to pressure to move the speedo in *front*
of the driver somewhere areound 2013-2014, if memory serves. The only persons who would benefit from a central speedo would be the navigator
in a Rally Mini - and backseat driving wives or girlfriends. >
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There
has been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK. The
air
Your *opinion*, given your track record, would be replete with lies and utter bullshit. Best you keep it to yourself.
You haven't driven a sufficient variety of so equipped cars in order tocon controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no complaints
from me there, though I'd much rather have physical controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand your
complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any more
or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
make such a comment.
**Indeed. As did the Echo, which preceded the Yaris. When my mother
bought a Yaris, I immediately purchased a head's up display for her. The Yaris was really dumb in that respect. BTW: The old Alfa GTV2000 and (I think) the Alfetta had the speedo in the centre of the car too. Great
(but unreliable) cars, albeit with the stupid speedo placement.
**AFAIK, he has not driven a Tesla. I have.
On 16/08/2025 6:08 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
**Indeed. As did the Echo, which preceded the Yaris. When my mother
bought a Yaris, I immediately purchased a head's up display for her.
The Yaris was really dumb in that respect. BTW: The old Alfa GTV2000
and (I think) the Alfetta had the speedo in the centre of the car too.
Great (but unreliable) cars, albeit with the stupid speedo placement.
How the hell do you not have a massive anxiety attack when using the
left hand mirror? :)
**AFAIK, he has not driven a Tesla. I have.
So what? I own a 2023 Ranger and a 2024 Sorento which both have on
screen controls. They differ from each other considerably, but I don't
have a problem with either of them because I took the time to make
myself familiar with how they operate.
Which, to me, seems to be *your* biggest problem.
On 15/08/2025 9:24 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 15/8/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
Not saying that something like this exists but imagine needing to
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand your
complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any more
or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
scroll through a couple of menus to find the windscreen wiper controls
just when you hit a patch of heavy rain, that exact scenario might not
exist but its the sort of thing that people are complaining about,
some car screens are apparently that badly designed.
Its not so much the need to touch a screen vs a normal button but the
poor menu layout some cars have making it hard to find the button you
want to press, some do it a lot better than others with simple easy to
read layouts, others are all over the place, hence the problem.
I'm sure there are some that are better than others, but I don't know
any where "essential" controls like lights, wipers, demist, heat and the like aren't immediately obvious.
to reach, but they're not essential driving tools.
I have two vehicles here with such electronic controls, and they're both very different in their layout and style. I don't think one is easier or more intuitive than the other, but the thing they have in common is that
to get the most from them you need to familiarise yourself with how they work, and in that way it's no different to using a mobile phone. Phones today do many things, but unless you take a moment to familiarise
yourself with their functions and how to operate them then you're not
going to get far.
On 16/08/2025 8:27 am, Noddy wrote:
On 16/08/2025 6:08 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
**Indeed. As did the Echo, which preceded the Yaris. When my mother
bought a Yaris, I immediately purchased a head's up display for her.
The Yaris was really dumb in that respect. BTW: The old Alfa GTV2000
and (I think) the Alfetta had the speedo in the centre of the car
too. Great (but unreliable) cars, albeit with the stupid speedo
placement.
How the hell do you not have a massive anxiety attack when using the
left hand mirror? :)
**AFAIK, he has not driven a Tesla. I have.
So what? I own a 2023 Ranger and a 2024 Sorento which both have on
screen controls. They differ from each other considerably, but I don't
have a problem with either of them because I took the time to make
myself familiar with how they operate.
Which, to me, seems to be *your* biggest problem.
**Have you driven a 2023 MG HS, or a current Tesla Model 3 AWD?
I have.
AFTER you drive one of both cars, get back to me and tell me how great
the controls are.
It's goving back a bit, but I recall the first time I ever sat in a BMW.
A 523i, I think. It was late at night and the owner threw me the keys
and asked me to grab some pizzas. I hopped in and was utterly stunned at
the design and layout of the car. It was completely logical and very
easy to turn the lights on, start the car and drive off. WAY better than
any car I had driven. At the time, my boss allowed me to drive his brand
new Lancia HPE. I got in and looked at a bunch of switches. I asked him: "What do the switches do?" His response: "I have no idea. I kinda wish I
had kept my BMW."
One of these (3 Litre):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_New_Six
It's like that with the MG HS. bizarre and illogical design in the way
that Beemers are not.
I can hop into a Hyundai BEV, a BYD and any number of other cars and be
able to work out the controls very, very quickly. With the Tesla, the controls had to be explained to me and the MG was just plain idiotic.
Even with a week's familiarity, they were just plain daft.
Like I said: Drive one and get back to me.
On 15/08/2025 5:19 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 14/08/2025 4:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
<snip moron speak>
Like what? Give us some examples, or are you just making shit up to
try to be relevant?
Examples have been given in this thread.
Shut the fuck up, you inbred clog wearing cunt. No one was asking you....
On 15/08/2025 9:28 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 15/8/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 15/08/2025 7:38 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 7:54 am, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control. There
are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car.
The driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to. So
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre of
the dash in 1959, and unless you have something with a head-up
display you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
The original Mini had the speedo in the centre of the dash to save on
manufacturing costs and it also enabled the same arrangement be used
in left-hand or right-hand drive cars. In other words, it was a cost
saving measure. The question has to be asked - how long did they keep
it there? My Clubman had the speedo in front of the driver. Bottom
line, ergonomics, and safety, were forsaken for the sake of economy.
The Toyota Yaris had the same thing, a central speedo binnacle, albeit
angled towards the driver. Sometime along the way they went to a
driver facing speedo, much safer and required only a slight downward
eye glance rather than a full head movement. Much safer.
**Indeed. As did the Echo, which preceded the Yaris. When my mother
bought a Yaris, I immediately purchased a head's up display for her. The Yaris was really dumb in that respect. BTW: The old Alfa GTV2000 and (I
think) the Alfetta had the speedo in the centre of the car too. Great
(but unreliable) cars, albeit with the stupid speedo placement.
The new MINI originally had a central speedo for *historical purposes*
but even they had to succumb to pressure to move the speedo in *front*
of the driver somewhere areound 2013-2014, if memory serves. The only
persons who would benefit from a central speedo would be the navigator
in a Rally Mini - and backseat driving wives or girlfriends. >
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There
has been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK.
The air
Your *opinion*, given your track record, would be replete with lies
and utter bullshit. Best you keep it to yourself.
You haven't driven a sufficient variety of so equipped cars in ordercon controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no complaints
from me there, though I'd much rather have physical controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand your
complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any more
or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
to make such a comment.
**AFAIK, he has not driven a Tesla. I have.
On 16/08/2025 6:08 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
**Indeed. As did the Echo, which preceded the Yaris. When my mother
bought a Yaris, I immediately purchased a head's up display for her.
The Yaris was really dumb in that respect. BTW: The old Alfa GTV2000
and (I think) the Alfetta had the speedo in the centre of the car too.
Great (but unreliable) cars, albeit with the stupid speedo placement.
How the hell do you not have a massive anxiety attack when using the
left hand mirror? :)
**AFAIK, he has not driven a Tesla. I have.
So what? I own a 2023 Ranger and a 2024 Sorento which both have on
screen controls. They differ from each other considerably, but I don't
have a problem with either of them because I took the time to make
myself familiar with how they operate.
Which, to me, seems to be *your* biggest problem.
On 15/08/2025 6:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 15/08/2025 5:19 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 14/08/2025 4:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
<snip moron speak>
Like what? Give us some examples, or are you just making shit up to
try to be relevant?
Examples have been given in this thread.
Shut the fuck up, you inbred clog wearing cunt. No one was asking you....
Duh duh... and I'm the boss here... duh.
You're so unbelievably stupid.
On 15/08/2025 9:24 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 15/8/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
Not saying that something like this exists but imagine needing to
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand your
complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any more
or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
scroll through a couple of menus to find the windscreen wiper controls
just when you hit a patch of heavy rain, that exact scenario might not
exist but its the sort of thing that people are complaining about,
some car screens are apparently that badly designed.
Its not so much the need to touch a screen vs a normal button but the
poor menu layout some cars have making it hard to find the button you
want to press, some do it a lot better than others with simple easy to
read layouts, others are all over the place, hence the problem.
I'm sure there are some that are better than others, but I don't know
any where "essential" controls like lights, wipers, demist, heat and the like aren't immediately obvious. Some other options may not be as easy
to reach, but they're not essential driving tools.
I have two vehicles here with such electronic controls, and they're both very different in their layout and style. I don't think one is easier or more intuitive than the other, but the thing they have in common is that
to get the most from them you need to familiarise yourself with how they work, and in that way it's no different to using a mobile phone. Phones
today do many things, but unless you take a moment to familiarise
yourself with their functions and how to operate them then you're not
going to get far.
On 16/8/2025 6:08 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 9:28 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 15/8/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 15/08/2025 7:38 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 7:54 am, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control.
There are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car.
The driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
So what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the
centre of the dash in 1959, and unless you have something with a
head-up display you have to take your eyes off the road to check
*any* speedo.
The original Mini had the speedo in the centre of the dash to save on
manufacturing costs and it also enabled the same arrangement be used
in left-hand or right-hand drive cars. In other words, it was a cost
saving measure. The question has to be asked - how long did they keep
it there? My Clubman had the speedo in front of the driver. Bottom
line, ergonomics, and safety, were forsaken for the sake of economy.
The Toyota Yaris had the same thing, a central speedo binnacle,
albeit angled towards the driver. Sometime along the way they went to
a driver facing speedo, much safer and required only a slight
downward eye glance rather than a full head movement. Much safer.
**Indeed. As did the Echo, which preceded the Yaris. When my mother
bought a Yaris, I immediately purchased a head's up display for her.
The Yaris was really dumb in that respect. BTW: The old Alfa GTV2000
and (I
That was why my wife is driving a Suzuki Swift now. At the time of
purchase I recalled the horrid centre speedo and vowed never to buy a
car with one. That was 2016 IIRC. Well, seems the Yaris of that year had gravitated to the speedo in front of the driver. Had I not relied on
memory and actually included the Yaris in car purchase possibilities/ research at that time, she would be driving a Yaris now. That said, the Suzuki has been good, something in the order of 64k klms clocked up now. It's sitting forlorn at the moment, wife has retired and the car has
been on one 300K round trip this year. Only took the Swift then to give
the car a bit of a run and blow the cobwebs out.
think) the Alfetta had the speedo in the centre of the car too. GreatI will be looking into a new car soon, Yaris Cross hybrid is up there
(but unreliable) cars, albeit with the stupid speedo placement.
The new MINI originally had a central speedo for *historical
purposes* but even they had to succumb to pressure to move the speedo
in *front* of the driver somewhere areound 2013-2014, if memory
serves. The only persons who would benefit from a central speedo
would be the navigator in a Rally Mini - and backseat driving wives
or girlfriends. >
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There
has been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK.
The air
Your *opinion*, given your track record, would be replete with lies
and utter bullshit. Best you keep it to yourself.
You haven't driven a sufficient variety of so equipped cars in ordercon controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no
complaints from me there, though I'd much rather have physical
controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand
your complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any
more or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
to make such a comment.
**AFAIK, he has not driven a Tesla. I have.
high on the possibility list, or another Corolla, likely a hybrid sedan.
On 15/08/2025 7:38 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 7:54 am, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some specific
examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control. There
are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car. The
driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre of
the dash in 1959,
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There has
been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK. The air
con controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no complaints
from me there, though I'd much rather have physical controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand your complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any more or
less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
On 15/8/2025 7:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 1:35 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 15/8/2025 11:03 am, jonz wrote:
On 14-Aug-25 1:43 PM, Clocky wrote:AFAIK its mostly about cost, its a lot cheaper to make a screen and
On 14/08/2025 6:13 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/08/2025 8:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/08/2025 2:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
......as they reward physical buttons and switches, over those >>>>>>>> idiotic screen 'buttons'.
Tough luck Tesla, MG and others.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ancap-testing-criteria-to-
reward- physical-buttons-and-stalks-from-2026/?
utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
Me? I'm happy about this. Provided manufacturers sit up and take >>>>>>>> notice. Well, I know Tesla won't.
Seriously, who cares?
**I sure do. When I drove the MG HS in Cairns awhile back, I
realised that operating many of the screen based controls required >>>>>> me to take my eyes off the road. Fortunately, I had a passenger
who was able to operate those controls for me. Some controls were >>>>>> so well hidden that I didn't locate them for a couple of days. An >>>>>> abject and utter failure of ergonomics.
-a-aWhether you touch a physical button or an on
screen "press" should make no difference to anyone. It's not like >>>>>>> either are difficult.
**After driving a Tesla Model 3 AWD, I can tell you that the
screen based controls are horrible. BYD does it MUCH better with
physical controls.
Fuck ANCAP. They're about as irrelevant as they can possibly be >>>>>>> right now....
**I applaud ANCAP for highlighting the stupidity of some screen
based controls.
Go and drive an MG or a Tesla then tell me that screen based
controls are a good idea.
They are awful.
Anyone who thinks menu systems are even remotely comparable to
physical controls in terms of ease of use and safety has shit for
brains.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-a-aIts not all that long ago when you were not allowed to have *any
screen* working that could be seen by the driver....
-a-a-a-a Still much the same rule, however,the powers that be have
*bent* the rules to cater to the fact that virtually *all* vehicles
have *built in* VDU`s now... So it has (somehow) become *safe* to
*see* the screen.. Uh-Huh, sure.
-a-a-a-a To make the situation *worse, there are *now* bugger all VDU`s >>>> that have tactile controls, (actual bloody buttons) which for mine
is fuckin' dangerous!.(more so)
-a-a-a How can one work thru a menu, and keep yer eyes on the road.?? >>>> If the buttons were tactile you would (might) have a chance.
-a-a As usual, its all about $$$$$`s, (and the whims of the car makers) >>>>
some software to run it than design and build an older style dash board. >>> -aFrom what I see and hear on the many reviews I watch some car makers
do a pretty decent job of their controls while others make a complete
hash of them.
Our 2016 MK7.5 VW Golf has older style buttons, for the Mk8 VW went
to all haptic controls and were widely criticized, so much so than on
the MK8.5 Golf they partly went back to buttons.
A friend recently traded his Tesla Model 3 for a Kona BEV mostly
because he was over the Tesla touch controls.
**Well, that's just weird. The Kona (Chinese built, not Korean) is a
POS. Whilst there are some criticisms of the Telsa Model 3, it walks
all over the Kona in every area. I can't say the same about the Ioniq
5, as it is a damn fine car. But the Kona is just cheap shit. Sadly. I
reckon Hyundai have done themselves real damage over the Kona BEV. I'd
put slightly above an MG. Barely.
Your friend either has no taste, or can't afford a decent car.
I haven't seen it but was told that he bought a Kona, he is a retired electrical engineer which AFAIK is why he was interested in and bought
the Tesla, if he could afford a Tesla then no doubt he could afford a
decent car.
He's not what I would call a "car person", to him a car is just transport.
I think that his wife's Camry Hybrid is far better than either.
I have driven an early Kona full electric which looked like Hyundai
grabbed a petrol Kona, ripped out the IC engine and fitted an electric
motor etc so it wasn't a ground up EV design, it was okay to drive apart from the horrendous torque steer, looked to be reasonably well equipped
and of reasonable build quality, maybe the new Kona EV is just a
rebadged Chinese car?
What specifically is wrong with it?
On 15/8/2025 10:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
I'm sure there are some that are better than others, but I don't know
any where "essential" controls like lights, wipers, demist, heat and
the like aren't immediately obvious.
They should be but apparently they aren't on a few cars and that's the reason for people complaining.
-aSome other options may not be as easy
to reach, but they're not essential driving tools.
Agree, no big deal for non essential items.
Spending time to get to know how something works is certainly a good
I have two vehicles here with such electronic controls, and they're
both very different in their layout and style. I don't think one is
easier or more intuitive than the other, but the thing they have in
common is that to get the most from them you need to familiarise
yourself with how they work, and in that way it's no different to
using a mobile phone. Phones today do many things, but unless you take
a moment to familiarise yourself with their functions and how to
operate them then you're not going to get far.
idea but basic stuff should be
obvious and easy to use.
On 16/08/2025 8:27 am, Noddy wrote:
So what? I own a 2023 Ranger and a 2024 Sorento which both have on
screen controls. They differ from each other considerably, but I don't
have a problem with either of them because I took the time to make
myself familiar with how they operate.
Which, to me, seems to be *your* biggest problem.
**Have you driven a 2023 MG HS, or a current Tesla Model 3 AWD?
I have.
AFTER you drive one of both cars, get back to me and tell me how great
the controls are.
It's goving back a bit, but I recall the first time I ever sat in a BMW.
A 523i, I think. It was late at night and the owner threw me the keys
and asked me to grab some pizzas. I hopped in and was utterly stunned at
the design and layout of the car. It was completely logical and very
easy to turn the lights on, start the car and drive off. WAY better than
any car I had driven. At the time, my boss allowed me to drive his brand
new Lancia HPE. I got in and looked at a bunch of switches. I asked him: "What do the switches do?" His response: "I have no idea. I kinda wish I
had kept my BMW."
One of these (3 Litre):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_New_Six
It's like that with the MG HS. bizarre and illogical design in the way
that Beemers are not.
I can hop into a Hyundai BEV, a BYD and any number of other cars and be
able to work out the controls very, very quickly. With the Tesla, the controls had to be explained to me and the MG was just plain idiotic.
Even with a week's familiarity, they were just plain daft.
Like I said: Drive one and get back to me.
On 15/08/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control. There
are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
**Nope. Tucked way under the left side of the steering column.
Invisible, unless you get out and stick your head under the steering
column. Insane placement. It has the functions printed on the control,
but there is simply no way you can read them, unless you're stopped and
have a torch to read them.
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car. The
driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
**Sure, but only when I want to change lanes. The speedo should be on
the eyeline at all times.
-aSo
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre of
the dash in 1959,
**So? Reminder: It's 2025, not 1959.
-aand unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
**Barely. And that's why I like heads-up displays.
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There
has been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK. The
air con controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no
complaints from me there, though I'd much rather have physical controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand your
complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any more
or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
**Then take the time to drive a Tesla Model 3 or a 2023 MGHS and get
back to me.
On 16/08/2025 11:42 am, Daryl wrote:
On 15/8/2025 10:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
I'm sure there are some that are better than others, but I don't know
any where "essential" controls like lights, wipers, demist, heat and
the like aren't immediately obvious.
They should be but apparently they aren't on a few cars and that's the
reason for people complaining.
I'd genuinely be interested in seeing some examples.
-a-aSome other options may not be as easy
to reach, but they're not essential driving tools.
Agree, no big deal for non essential items.
Spending time to get to know how something works is certainly a good
I have two vehicles here with such electronic controls, and they're
both very different in their layout and style. I don't think one is
easier or more intuitive than the other, but the thing they have in
common is that to get the most from them you need to familiarise
yourself with how they work, and in that way it's no different to
using a mobile phone. Phones today do many things, but unless you
take a moment to familiarise yourself with their functions and how to
operate them then you're not going to get far.
idea but basic stuff should be
obvious and easy to use.
I think it is for the most part. I'm not aware of any car where
"essential" controls like lights, wipers etc aren't immediately obvious,
and in fact I would think it difficult to obtain compliance on any
vehicle where they weren't.
Some non essential stuff can be well hidden, such as the speed warning
on the Sorento for example. That's three pages deep and can be difficult
to find if you're not familiar with the vehicle. But then it's not
something you need to be trying to change while you're driving and some vehicles, like the Ranger for example, have access to certain settings blocked while the vehicle is in drive.
On 16/08/2025 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control. There
are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
**Nope. Tucked way under the left side of the steering column.
Invisible, unless you get out and stick your head under the steering
column. Insane placement. It has the functions printed on the control,
but there is simply no way you can read them, unless you're stopped
and have a torch to read them.
Ok. Your comments seemed to be focussed around "on screen" controls and
you seemed to be suggesting that the cruise was on the screen which is
why I asked. Still, oddly placed cruise stalks are nothing new and many
cars have been so equipped over the years.
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car.
The driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
**Sure, but only when I want to change lanes. The speedo should be on
the eyeline at all times.
It takes just as much of an eye movement to glace to the centre of a
dash as it does to the dash in front of you, and it really ain't a big
deal. They sold 20 million VW Beetles over the years and most of them
had a centre mounted speedo. Not many people complained about that.
-a-aSo
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre of
the dash in 1959,
**So? Reminder: It's 2025, not 1959.
Which is irrelevant. You're making a mountain out of an ant hill.
Seriously, I have to question your driving competence if you think a
speedo in the centre of a dash is a distraction.
-a-aand unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
**Barely. And that's why I like heads-up displays.
Yeah, they're great. But they can be a pain in the arse, too. They're totally useless for most people who wear sunglasses.
On 16/8/2025 9:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 16/08/2025 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
**Barely. And that's why I like heads-up displays.
Yeah, they're great. But they can be a pain in the arse, too. They're
totally useless for most people who wear sunglasses.
Polaroid?
AFAIK pilots of aircraft with "glass" cockpits can't wear Polaroid
sunnies for the same reason.
On 16/08/2025 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control. There
are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
**Nope. Tucked way under the left side of the steering column.
Invisible, unless you get out and stick your head under the steering
column. Insane placement. It has the functions printed on the control,
but there is simply no way you can read them, unless you're stopped
and have a torch to read them.
Ok. Your comments seemed to be focussed around "on screen" controls and
you seemed to be suggesting that the cruise was on the screen which is
why I asked. Still, oddly placed cruise stalks are nothing new and many
cars have been so equipped over the years.
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car.
The driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
**Sure, but only when I want to change lanes. The speedo should be on
the eyeline at all times.
It takes just as much of an eye movement to glace to the centre of a
dash as it does to the dash in front of you, and it really ain't a big
deal. They sold 20 million VW Beetles over the years and most of them
had a centre mounted speedo. Not many people complained about that.
-a-aSo
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre of
the dash in 1959,
**So? Reminder: It's 2025, not 1959.
Which is irrelevant. You're making a mountain out of an ant hill.
Seriously, I have to question your driving competence if you think a
speedo in the centre of a dash is a distraction.
-a-aand unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
**Barely. And that's why I like heads-up displays.
Yeah, they're great. But they can be a pain in the arse, too. They're totally useless for most people who wear sunglasses.
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There
has been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK.
The air con controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no
complaints from me there, though I'd much rather have physical
controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand your
complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any more
or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
**Then take the time to drive a Tesla Model 3 or a 2023 MGHS and get
back to me.
I don't need to do that Trevor.
else I've driven lately, but I'm *also* sure that if I were to drive
either of them I'd make myself familiar with the controls before I did.
This is the key point that seems to fly *way* over your head. You assume every car you get in will be laid out exactly the same, and in doing so
you are not only comprehensively wrong but blaming *others* for your ignorance.
This is a *you* problem.
On 16/08/2025 9:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
**Sure, but only when I want to change lanes. The speedo should be on
the eyeline at all times.
It takes just as much of an eye movement to glace to the centre of a
dash as it does to the dash in front of you, and it really ain't a big
deal. They sold 20 million VW Beetles over the years and most of them
had a centre mounted speedo. Not many people complained about that.
**Again: It's 2025.
**So? Reminder: It's 2025, not 1959.
Which is irrelevant. You're making a mountain out of an ant hill.
Seriously, I have to question your driving competence if you think a
speedo in the centre of a dash is a distraction.
**Putting a speedo out of the eye-line is stupid and unnecessary. It is 2025, not 1959.
Yeah, they're great. But they can be a pain in the arse, too. They're
totally useless for most people who wear sunglasses.
**Nonsense. I wear sunglasses most of the time when driving. I had no problems with my mother's head's up display. I had no problems with the
BYD head's up display either. For the record: My El Cheapo sunnies were purchased from the Cancer Council store for about $30.00. My expensive
pair of prescription ones were almost a Grand. Both work just fine with head's up displays.
**Then take the time to drive a Tesla Model 3 or a 2023 MGHS and get
back to me.
I don't need to do that Trevor.
**Yeah, you really do. Otherwise, you're just talking shit. You are
arguing from a point of ignorance.
-aI'm sure they'd be different to anything
else I've driven lately, but I'm *also* sure that if I were to drive
either of them I'd make myself familiar with the controls before I did.
**As did I. And I can tell you that some of the controls on the Tesla
are stupid and most of the controls on the MG HS are stupid. Which, had
you taken the time to drive both cars, you would know. For the record: I
had ZERO problems with the following cars I recently tested:
BYD Sealion 6
BYD Sealion 7
Lexus NX450H+
Mazda CX80
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Hyundai Kona Electric
This is the key point that seems to fly *way* over your head. You
assume every car you get in will be laid out exactly the same, and in
doing so you are not only comprehensively wrong but blaming *others*
for your ignorance.
**Utter bullshit. I've driven quite a few cars recently. All had
completely different layouts. A couple had stupidly designed systems.
This is a *you* problem.
**No. It is a problem for a couple of manufacturers who should improve
their products.
I really don't understand your
complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any more or
less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
On 16/08/2025 9:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 16/08/2025 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control.
There are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
**Nope. Tucked way under the left side of the steering column.
Invisible, unless you get out and stick your head under the steering
column. Insane placement. It has the functions printed on the
control, but there is simply no way you can read them, unless you're
stopped and have a torch to read them.
Ok. Your comments seemed to be focussed around "on screen" controls
and you seemed to be suggesting that the cruise was on the screen
which is why I asked. Still, oddly placed cruise stalks are nothing
new and many cars have been so equipped over the years.
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car.
The driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
**Sure, but only when I want to change lanes. The speedo should be on
the eyeline at all times.
It takes just as much of an eye movement to glace to the centre of a
dash as it does to the dash in front of you, and it really ain't a big
deal. They sold 20 million VW Beetles over the years and most of them
had a centre mounted speedo. Not many people complained about that.
**Again: It's 2025.
-a-aSo
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre
of the dash in 1959,
**So? Reminder: It's 2025, not 1959.
Which is irrelevant. You're making a mountain out of an ant hill.
Seriously, I have to question your driving competence if you think a
speedo in the centre of a dash is a distraction.
**Putting a speedo out of the eye-line is stupid and unnecessary. It is 2025, not 1959.
-a-aand unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
**Barely. And that's why I like heads-up displays.
Yeah, they're great. But they can be a pain in the arse, too. They're
totally useless for most people who wear sunglasses.
**Nonsense. I wear sunglasses most of the time when driving. I had no problems with my mother's head's up display. I had no problems with the
BYD head's up display either. For the record: My El Cheapo sunnies were purchased from the Cancer Council store for about $30.00. My expensive
pair of prescription ones were almost a Grand. Both work just fine with head's up displays.
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There
has been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK.
The air con controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no
complaints from me there, though I'd much rather have physical
controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand
your complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any
more or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
**Then take the time to drive a Tesla Model 3 or a 2023 MGHS and get
back to me.
I don't need to do that Trevor.
**Yeah, you really do. Otherwise, you're just talking shit. You are
arguing from a point of ignorance.
-aI'm sure they'd be different to anything
else I've driven lately, but I'm *also* sure that if I were to drive
either of them I'd make myself familiar with the controls before I did.
**As did I. And I can tell you that some of the controls on the Tesla
are stupid and most of the controls on the MG HS are stupid. Which, had
you taken the time to drive both cars, you would know. For the record: I
had ZERO problems with the following cars I recently tested:
BYD Sealion 6
BYD Sealion 7
Lexus NX450H+
Mazda CX80
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Hyundai Kona Electric
This is the key point that seems to fly *way* over your head. You
assume every car you get in will be laid out exactly the same, and in
doing so you are not only comprehensively wrong but blaming *others*
for your ignorance.
**Utter bullshit. I've driven quite a few cars recently. All had
completely different layouts. A couple had stupidly designed systems.
This is a *you* problem.
**No. It is a problem for a couple of manufacturers who should improve
their products.
On 16/08/2025 8:56 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/08/2025 8:27 am, Noddy wrote:
So what? I own a 2023 Ranger and a 2024 Sorento which both have on
screen controls. They differ from each other considerably, but I
don't have a problem with either of them because I took the time to
make myself familiar with how they operate.
Which, to me, seems to be *your* biggest problem.
**Have you driven a 2023 MG HS, or a current Tesla Model 3 AWD?
I have.
AFTER you drive one of both cars, get back to me and tell me how great
the controls are.
I have no interest in driving either, but the point is that the controls
are there. You just didn't know where they are. That's *your* fault. Not
the vehicle.
It's goving back a bit, but I recall the first time I ever sat in a
BMW. A 523i, I think. It was late at night and the owner threw me the
keys and asked me to grab some pizzas. I hopped in and was utterly
stunned at the design and layout of the car. It was completely logical
and very easy to turn the lights on, start the car and drive off. WAY
better than any car I had driven. At the time, my boss allowed me to
drive his brand new Lancia HPE. I got in and looked at a bunch of
switches. I asked him: "What do the switches do?" His response: "I
have no idea. I kinda wish I had kept my BMW."
For fuck's sake. What kind of idiot owns a vehicle and *doesn't* know
what the switches do?
His name wasn't "Alvey", was it?
One of these (3 Litre):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_New_Six
It's like that with the MG HS. bizarre and illogical design in the way
that Beemers are not.
Lol :)
You should talk to a Beemer owners who had the early variants of their "I-drive" system. It was universally regarded as the most unintuitive
thing ever put in a vehicle :)
I can hop into a Hyundai BEV, a BYD and any number of other cars and
be able to work out the controls very, very quickly. With the Tesla,
the controls had to be explained to me and the MG was just plain
idiotic. Even with a week's familiarity, they were just plain daft.
Like I said: Drive one and get back to me.
You sound like someone who would need medical attention in going from Windows 10 to 11 :)
On 16/08/2025 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control. There
are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
**Nope. Tucked way under the left side of the steering column.
Invisible, unless you get out and stick your head under the steering
column. Insane placement. It has the functions printed on the control,
but there is simply no way you can read them, unless you're stopped
and have a torch to read them.
Ok. Your comments seemed to be focussed around "on screen" controls and
you seemed to be suggesting that the cruise was on the screen which is
why I asked. Still, oddly placed cruise stalks are nothing new and many
cars have been so equipped over the years.
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car.
The driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
**Sure, but only when I want to change lanes. The speedo should be on
the eyeline at all times.
It takes just as much of an eye movement to glace to the centre of a
dash as it does to the dash in front of you, and it really ain't a big
deal. They sold 20 million VW Beetles over the years and most of them
had a centre mounted speedo. Not many people complained about that.
-a-aSo
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre of
the dash in 1959,
**So? Reminder: It's 2025, not 1959.
Which is irrelevant. You're making a mountain out of an ant hill.
Seriously, I have to question your driving competence if you think a
speedo in the centre of a dash is a distraction.
-a-aand unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
**Barely. And that's why I like heads-up displays.
Yeah, they're great. But they can be a pain in the arse, too. They're totally useless for most people who wear sunglasses.
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There
has been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK.
The air con controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no
complaints from me there, though I'd much rather have physical
controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand your
complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any more
or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
**Then take the time to drive a Tesla Model 3 or a 2023 MGHS and get
back to me.
I don't need to do that Trevor. I'm sure they'd be different to anything else I've driven lately, but I'm *also* sure that if I were to drive
either of them I'd make myself familiar with the controls before I did.
This is the key point that seems to fly *way* over your head. You assume every car you get in will be laid out exactly the same,
This is a *you* problem.
On 16/08/2025 6:08 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
**Indeed. As did the Echo, which preceded the Yaris. When my mother
bought a Yaris, I immediately purchased a head's up display for her.
The Yaris was really dumb in that respect. BTW: The old Alfa GTV2000
and (I think) the Alfetta had the speedo in the centre of the car too.
Great (but unreliable) cars, albeit with the stupid speedo placement.
How the hell do you not have a massive anxiety attack when using the
left hand mirror? :)
**AFAIK, he has not driven a Tesla. I have.
So what? I own a 2023 Ranger and a 2024 Sorento
On 17/08/2025 11:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/08/2025 9:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
**Sure, but only when I want to change lanes. The speedo should be
on the eyeline at all times.
It takes just as much of an eye movement to glace to the centre of a
dash as it does to the dash in front of you, and it really ain't a
big deal. They sold 20 million VW Beetles over the years and most of
them had a centre mounted speedo. Not many people complained about that.
**Again: It's 2025.
And *again*, that's completely irrelevant.
**So? Reminder: It's 2025, not 1959.
Which is irrelevant. You're making a mountain out of an ant hill.
Seriously, I have to question your driving competence if you think a
speedo in the centre of a dash is a distraction.
**Putting a speedo out of the eye-line is stupid and unnecessary. It
is 2025, not 1959.
Short of head-up displays, which are not universal and don't work for everyone, I don't know of a car that has it's speedo *in* the line of
sight. You have to take your eyes off the road, even if just for a split second, to look at a speedo that's on the lower dash in front of you
just as you do if it's anywhere else. Just like you have to take your
eye off the road briefly to check your mirror which, according to good driving etiquette, you should be doing every three seconds.
It is *not* a dangerous manoeuvre, and I can't help thinking that in claiming it is you are being just a little bit precious or taking the
piss for the sake of it :)
Yeah, they're great. But they can be a pain in the arse, too. They're
totally useless for most people who wear sunglasses.
**Nonsense. I wear sunglasses most of the time when driving. I had no
problems with my mother's head's up display. I had no problems with
the BYD head's up display either. For the record: My El Cheapo sunnies
were purchased from the Cancer Council store for about $30.00. My
expensive pair of prescription ones were almost a Grand. Both work
just fine with head's up displays.
Polarised prescription sunnies will make you change your mind, and for fuck's sake who in the blue hell pays a thousand bucks for a pair of sunglasses? :)
**Then take the time to drive a Tesla Model 3 or a 2023 MGHS and get
back to me.
I don't need to do that Trevor.
**Yeah, you really do. Otherwise, you're just talking shit. You are
arguing from a point of ignorance.
Actually Trevor I'm arguing from the point of someone who owns two
vehicles that have the very features you're complaining about, and not seeing what it is that you find wrong with them.
-a-aI'm sure they'd be different to anything
else I've driven lately, but I'm *also* sure that if I were to drive
either of them I'd make myself familiar with the controls before I did.
**As did I. And I can tell you that some of the controls on the Tesla
are stupid and most of the controls on the MG HS are stupid. Which,
had you taken the time to drive both cars, you would know. For the
record: I had ZERO problems with the following cars I recently tested:
BYD Sealion 6
BYD Sealion 7
Lexus NX450H+
Mazda CX80
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Hyundai Kona Electric
I'm happy for you, but if you think every car out there is going to be
built to your personal satisfaction then you are frightfully mistaken.
It's also interesting to note that while you started this thread
complaining about particular "features", when you get down to it you
don't really seem to have a problem with the features per se' but how they're implemented in some cars.
This is the key point that seems to fly *way* over your head. You
assume every car you get in will be laid out exactly the same, and in
doing so you are not only comprehensively wrong but blaming *others*
for your ignorance.
**Utter bullshit. I've driven quite a few cars recently. All had
completely different layouts. A couple had stupidly designed systems.
Well, yeah. As I said, not everyone is going to make something you like.
This is a *you* problem.
**No. It is a problem for a couple of manufacturers who should improve
their products.
Yeah, okay. You sound like you're being a bit fragile to me, but the essential arithmetic is this. Modern cars have have an incalculable
number of selectable functions these days, and there simply isn't the
room to provide a physical switch for everything. To do so would require
a dash that looked like the inside of the Apollo Command Module. So they need to be incorporated into something like a multi function display unit.
You don't have to like that, but it's the way of the motoring world
today and it's only ever going to get worse. So my recommendation would
be that if it's not to your liking then you maintain your Subaru well
and keep it forever.
Noddy wrote:
On 16/08/2025 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control.
There are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
**Nope. Tucked way under the left side of the steering column.
Invisible, unless you get out and stick your head under the steering
column. Insane placement. It has the functions printed on the
control, but there is simply no way you can read them, unless you're
stopped and have a torch to read them.
Ok. Your comments seemed to be focussed around "on screen" controls
and you seemed to be suggesting that the cruise was on the screen
which is why I asked. Still, oddly placed cruise stalks are nothing
new and many cars have been so equipped over the years.
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car.
The driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
**Sure, but only when I want to change lanes. The speedo should be on
the eyeline at all times.
It takes just as much of an eye movement to glace to the centre of a
dash as it does to the dash in front of you, and it really ain't a big
deal. They sold 20 million VW Beetles over the years and most of them
had a centre mounted speedo. Not many people complained about that.
-a-aSo
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre
of the dash in 1959,
**So? Reminder: It's 2025, not 1959.
Which is irrelevant. You're making a mountain out of an ant hill.
Seriously, I have to question your driving competence if you think a
speedo in the centre of a dash is a distraction.
Lol!
Remind us of how many bingles you've claimed to have had Fraudster.
IIrc, more than anyone else here.
-a-aand unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
**Barely. And that's why I like heads-up displays.
Yeah, they're great. But they can be a pain in the arse, too. They're
totally useless for most people who wear sunglasses.
So really useful for Dictorians then...
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There
has been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK.
The air con controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no
complaints from me there, though I'd much rather have physical
controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand
your complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be any
more or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
**Then take the time to drive a Tesla Model 3 or a 2023 MGHS and get
back to me.
I don't need to do that Trevor. I'm sure they'd be different to
anything else I've driven lately, but I'm *also* sure that if I were
to drive either of them I'd make myself familiar with the controls
before I did.
This is the key point that seems to fly *way* over your head. You
assume every car you get in will be laid out exactly the same,
Nope. Wrong again. Which is obvious to anyone *not* trying to fill in
their day with trivial arguments.
This is a *you* problem.
Nope. Wrong again. The problem here Fraudster is you.
alvey
On 16/08/2025 9:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 16/08/2025 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control.
There are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
**Nope. Tucked way under the left side of the steering column.
Invisible, unless you get out and stick your head under the steering
column. Insane placement. It has the functions printed on the
control, but there is simply no way you can read them, unless you're
stopped and have a torch to read them.
Ok. Your comments seemed to be focussed around "on screen" controls
and you seemed to be suggesting that the cruise was on the screen
which is why I asked. Still, oddly placed cruise stalks are nothing
new and many cars have been so equipped over the years.
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car.
The driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
**Sure, but only when I want to change lanes. The speedo should be on
the eyeline at all times.
It takes just as much of an eye movement to glace to the centre of a
dash as it does to the dash in front of you, and it really ain't a big
deal. They sold 20 million VW Beetles over the years and most of them
had a centre mounted speedo. Not many people complained about that.
**Again: It's 2025.
-a-aSo
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre
of the dash in 1959,
**So? Reminder: It's 2025, not 1959.
Which is irrelevant. You're making a mountain out of an ant hill.
Seriously, I have to question your driving competence if you think a
speedo in the centre of a dash is a distraction.
**Putting a speedo out of the eye-line is stupid and unnecessary. It is 2025, not 1959.
-a-aand unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
**Barely. And that's why I like heads-up displays.
Yeah, they're great. But they can be a pain in the arse, too. They're
totally useless for most people who wear sunglasses.
**Nonsense. I wear sunglasses most of the time when driving. I had no problems with my mother's head's up display. I had no problems with the
BYD head's up display either. For the record: My El Cheapo sunnies were purchased from the Cancer Council store for about $30.00. My expensive
pair of prescription ones were almost a Grand. Both work just fine with head's up displays.
On 17/08/2025 4:36 am, Daryl wrote:
On 16/8/2025 9:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 16/08/2025 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
**Barely. And that's why I like heads-up displays.
Yeah, they're great. But they can be a pain in the arse, too. They're
totally useless for most people who wear sunglasses.
Polaroid?
AFAIK pilots of aircraft with "glass" cockpits can't wear Polaroid
sunnies for the same reason.
Yeah. I wear script sunnies in the car and they have polarising lenses
which makes them great for driving, but shit for things like head up displays although I must admit that the current Sorento is considerably better in that regard compared to the previous Santa Fe.
At least in the Sorento you can *kind* of read the display if you tilt
your head a particular way, whereas in the Santa Fe the display
disappeared completely.
On 17/8/2025 9:33 am, Noddy wrote:
Next Tuesday will be 6 weeks since having cataract surgery on my rightPolaroid?
AFAIK pilots of aircraft with "glass" cockpits can't wear Polaroid
sunnies for the same reason.
Yeah. I wear script sunnies in the car and they have polarising lenses
which makes them great for driving, but shit for things like head up
displays although I must admit that the current Sorento is
considerably better in that regard compared to the previous Santa Fe.
At least in the Sorento you can *kind* of read the display if you tilt
your head a particular way, whereas in the Santa Fe the display
disappeared completely.
eye so I will be going to get new reading glasses and maybe sunnies,
since they will mostly be for driving I won't be getting anything with Polaroid lens.
On 16/08/2025 8:56 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/08/2025 8:27 am, Noddy wrote:
So what? I own a 2023 Ranger and a 2024 Sorento which both have on
screen controls. They differ from each other considerably, but I
don't have a problem with either of them because I took the time to
make myself familiar with how they operate.
Which, to me, seems to be *your* biggest problem.
**Have you driven a 2023 MG HS, or a current Tesla Model 3 AWD?
I have.
AFTER you drive one of both cars, get back to me and tell me how great
the controls are.
I have no interest in driving either, but the point is that the controls
are there. You just didn't know where they are. That's *your* fault. Not
the vehicle.
It's goving back a bit, but I recall the first time I ever sat in a
BMW. A 523i, I think. It was late at night and the owner threw me the
keys and asked me to grab some pizzas. I hopped in and was utterly
stunned at the design and layout of the car. It was completely logical
and very easy to turn the lights on, start the car and drive off. WAY
better than any car I had driven. At the time, my boss allowed me to
drive his brand new Lancia HPE. I got in and looked at a bunch of
switches. I asked him: "What do the switches do?" His response: "I
have no idea. I kinda wish I had kept my BMW."
For fuck's sake. What kind of idiot owns a vehicle and *doesn't* know
what the switches do?
His name wasn't "Alvey", was it?
On 17/8/2025 11:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/08/2025 9:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 16/08/2025 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control.
There are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
**Nope. Tucked way under the left side of the steering column.
Invisible, unless you get out and stick your head under the steering
column. Insane placement. It has the functions printed on the
control, but there is simply no way you can read them, unless you're
stopped and have a torch to read them.
Ok. Your comments seemed to be focussed around "on screen" controls
and you seemed to be suggesting that the cruise was on the screen
which is why I asked. Still, oddly placed cruise stalks are nothing
new and many cars have been so equipped over the years.
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car. >>>>>> The driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
**Sure, but only when I want to change lanes. The speedo should be
on the eyeline at all times.
It takes just as much of an eye movement to glace to the centre of a
dash as it does to the dash in front of you, and it really ain't a
big deal. They sold 20 million VW Beetles over the years and most of
them had a centre mounted speedo. Not many people complained about that.
**Again: It's 2025.
-a-aSo
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre
of the dash in 1959,
**So? Reminder: It's 2025, not 1959.
Which is irrelevant. You're making a mountain out of an ant hill.
Seriously, I have to question your driving competence if you think a
speedo in the centre of a dash is a distraction.
**Putting a speedo out of the eye-line is stupid and unnecessary. It
is 2025, not 1959.
-a-aand unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
**Barely. And that's why I like heads-up displays.
Yeah, they're great. But they can be a pain in the arse, too. They're
totally useless for most people who wear sunglasses.
**Nonsense. I wear sunglasses most of the time when driving. I had no
problems with my mother's head's up display. I had no problems with
the BYD head's up display either. For the record: My El Cheapo sunnies
were purchased from the Cancer Council store for about $30.00. My
expensive pair of prescription ones were almost a Grand. Both work
just fine with head's up displays.
Not Polaroid then?
On 17/8/2025 12:08 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:That reminds me, wasn't he leaving with a bang *soon*? That *soon* was
On 16/08/2025 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control.
There are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
**Nope. Tucked way under the left side of the steering column.
Invisible, unless you get out and stick your head under the steering
column. Insane placement. It has the functions printed on the
control, but there is simply no way you can read them, unless you're
stopped and have a torch to read them.
Ok. Your comments seemed to be focussed around "on screen" controls
and you seemed to be suggesting that the cruise was on the screen
which is why I asked. Still, oddly placed cruise stalks are nothing
new and many cars have been so equipped over the years.
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car. >>>>>> The driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
**Sure, but only when I want to change lanes. The speedo should be
on the eyeline at all times.
It takes just as much of an eye movement to glace to the centre of a
dash as it does to the dash in front of you, and it really ain't a
big deal. They sold 20 million VW Beetles over the years and most of
them had a centre mounted speedo. Not many people complained about that. >>>
-a-aSo
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre
of the dash in 1959,
**So? Reminder: It's 2025, not 1959.
Which is irrelevant. You're making a mountain out of an ant hill.
Seriously, I have to question your driving competence if you think a
speedo in the centre of a dash is a distraction.
Lol!
Remind us of how many bingles you've claimed to have had Fraudster.
IIrc, more than anyone else here.
-a-aand unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
**Barely. And that's why I like heads-up displays.
Yeah, they're great. But they can be a pain in the arse, too. They're
totally useless for most people who wear sunglasses.
So really useful for Dictorians then...
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen. There >>>>>> has been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they were OK. >>>>>> The air con controls are pretty well resolved on the Tesla, so no >>>>>> complaints from me there, though I'd much rather have physical
controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand
your complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be
any more or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
**Then take the time to drive a Tesla Model 3 or a 2023 MGHS and get
back to me.
I don't need to do that Trevor. I'm sure they'd be different to
anything else I've driven lately, but I'm *also* sure that if I were
to drive either of them I'd make myself familiar with the controls
before I did.
This is the key point that seems to fly *way* over your head. You
assume every car you get in will be laid out exactly the same,
Nope. Wrong again. Which is obvious to anyone *not* trying to fill in
their day with trivial arguments.
This is a *you* problem.
Nope. Wrong again. The problem here Fraudster is you.
years ago, seems he's way overdue to just piss off. When he does, it
won't be with a bang, just a whimper!
Xeno wrote:
On 17/8/2025 12:08 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:That reminds me, wasn't he leaving with a bang *soon*? That *soon* was
On 16/08/2025 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
What controls are you talking about here, Trev? Give us some
specific examples....
**In the MG: Radio, air conditioning controls, cruise control.
There are others, but it's been awhile.
Cruise control is on the centre display screen? :)
**Nope. Tucked way under the left side of the steering column.
Invisible, unless you get out and stick your head under the
steering column. Insane placement. It has the functions printed on
the control, but there is simply no way you can read them, unless
you're stopped and have a torch to read them.
Ok. Your comments seemed to be focussed around "on screen" controls
and you seemed to be suggesting that the cruise was on the screen
which is why I asked. Still, oddly placed cruise stalks are nothing
new and many cars have been so equipped over the years.
In the Tesla, the speedo is off to towards the centre of the car. >>>>>>> The driver must take his/her eyes off the road to see the speed.
You have to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors, to.
**Sure, but only when I want to change lanes. The speedo should be
on the eyeline at all times.
It takes just as much of an eye movement to glace to the centre of a
dash as it does to the dash in front of you, and it really ain't a
big deal. They sold 20 million VW Beetles over the years and most of
them had a centre mounted speedo. Not many people complained about
that.
-a-aSo
what? This isn't new. Mini Minors had the speedo off to the centre >>>>>> of the dash in 1959,
**So? Reminder: It's 2025, not 1959.
Which is irrelevant. You're making a mountain out of an ant hill.
Seriously, I have to question your driving competence if you think a
speedo in the centre of a dash is a distraction.
Lol!
Remind us of how many bingles you've claimed to have had Fraudster.
IIrc, more than anyone else here.
-a-aand unless you have something with a head-up display
you have to take your eyes off the road to check *any* speedo.
**Barely. And that's why I like heads-up displays.
Yeah, they're great. But they can be a pain in the arse, too.
They're totally useless for most people who wear sunglasses.
So really useful for Dictorians then...
The FWD, REV, Neutral control is a slider bar on the screen.
There has been criticism of the indicators, but I thought they
were OK. The air con controls are pretty well resolved on the
Tesla, so no complaints from me there, though I'd much rather
have physical controls.
So it's different to what you're used to. As I said originally,
familiarise yourself with the vehicle. I really don't understand
your complaint. I don't find pressing a button on a screen to be
any more or less difficult than pressing a button anywhere else.
**Then take the time to drive a Tesla Model 3 or a 2023 MGHS and
get back to me.
I don't need to do that Trevor. I'm sure they'd be different to
anything else I've driven lately, but I'm *also* sure that if I were
to drive either of them I'd make myself familiar with the controls
before I did.
This is the key point that seems to fly *way* over your head. You
assume every car you get in will be laid out exactly the same,
Nope. Wrong again. Which is obvious to anyone *not* trying to fill in
their day with trivial arguments.
This is a *you* problem.
Nope. Wrong again. The problem here Fraudster is you.
years ago, seems he's way overdue to just piss off. When he does, it
won't be with a bang, just a whimper!
IIrc, 18Oct sometime late last decade. So once again, he's all mouth and
no action... Onya Buffo!
alvey--
On 16/8/2025 9:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 16/08/2025 11:42 am, Daryl wrote:
On 15/8/2025 10:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
I'm sure there are some that are better than others, but I don't
know any where "essential" controls like lights, wipers, demist,
heat and the like aren't immediately obvious.
They should be but apparently they aren't on a few cars and that's
the reason for people complaining.
I'd genuinely be interested in seeing some examples.
You?? *Genuine*????-a-a Hahahahahahhahahahaha
On 16/08/2025 7:53 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 16/8/2025 9:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 16/08/2025 11:42 am, Daryl wrote:
On 15/8/2025 10:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
I'm sure there are some that are better than others, but I don't
know any where "essential" controls like lights, wipers, demist,
heat and the like aren't immediately obvious.
They should be but apparently they aren't on a few cars and that's
the reason for people complaining.
I'd genuinely be interested in seeing some examples.
You?? *Genuine*????-a-a Hahahahahahhahahahaha
Yes that is hilarious. Dumb-dumb has made up his mind and even genuine
20 examples couldn't possibly change it.
I mean, why would this time be any different to every other time the pig-headed dimwit got fixated on an idea that he was completely wrong about?
Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
On 16/08/2025 7:53 pm, Xeno wrote:Indeed, the irony of the greatest liar aus.cars has ever seen claiming to
On 16/8/2025 9:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 16/08/2025 11:42 am, Daryl wrote:
On 15/8/2025 10:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
I'm sure there are some that are better than others, but I don't
know any where "essential" controls like lights, wipers, demist,
heat and the like aren't immediately obvious.
They should be but apparently they aren't on a few cars and that's
the reason for people complaining.
I'd genuinely be interested in seeing some examples.
You?? *Genuine*????-a-a Hahahahahahhahahahaha
Yes that is hilarious. Dumb-dumb has made up his mind and even genuine
20 examples couldn't possibly change it.
I mean, why would this time be any different to every other time the
pig-headed dimwit got fixated on an idea that he was completely wrong about? >>
be *genuine*. Lucky I wasnrCOt taking a swig of coffee when I read that!