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On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
On 1/08/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
Not me. Although i was one of the first to slap some readies down on a
Bf xr6 cab chassis to get the color i wanted.
But the Tasman? Butt ugly. Looks like Darth Vader has been punched in
the face. I wouldn't wanna be a beta tester.-a Be curious to see how
noisy it is with all those wide sheets of tin on the doors/bonnet...
Went for a ride in a Camry hybrid last night. Quiet, nice performance, comfortable, but what a shit ride. Shook more than the Ranga on a dirt
road. Dunno, maybe the shockers were flogged out.
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
On 1/8/2025 1:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:A taxi?
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
Not me. Although i was one of the first to slap some readies down on a
Bf xr6 cab chassis to get the color i wanted.
But the Tasman? Butt ugly. Looks like Darth Vader has been punched in
the face. I wouldn't wanna be a beta tester.-a Be curious to see how
noisy it is with all those wide sheets of tin on the doors/bonnet...
Went for a ride in a Camry hybrid last night. Quiet, nice performance,
comfortable, but what a shit ride. Shook more than the Ranga on a dirt
road. Dunno, maybe the shockers were flogged out.
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but they don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial styling"
isn't going to help sales.
On 1/08/2025 10:08 am, keithr0 wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
That's one fugly vehicle. Pre-orders are one thing - but how well it
sells long term remains to be seen.
On 1/8/2025 1:39 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 1/08/2025 10:08 am, keithr0 wrote:The brand alone will bring in a few mug punters, plenty of Noddies
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
That's one fugly vehicle. Pre-orders are one thing - but how well it
sells long term remains to be seen.
about, then the glow will fade as realisation sets in.
On 1/8/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
It is highly optimistic for something as ugly as the Tasman ute. There
can't be that many mug buyers around surely?
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but theyFor controversial styling, read *dates quickly*!
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
On 1/8/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
It is highly optimistic for something as ugly as the Tasman ute. There
can't be that many mug buyers around surely?
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but theyFor controversial styling, read *dates quickly*!
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
On 1/08/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
Not me. Although i was one of the first to slap some readies down on a
Bf xr6 cab chassis to get the color i wanted.
But the Tasman? Butt ugly. Looks like Darth Vader has been punched in
the face. I wouldn't wanna be a beta tester.-a Be curious to see how
noisy it is with all those wide sheets of tin on the doors/bonnet...
Went for a ride in a Camry hybrid last night. Quiet, nice performance, comfortable, but what a shit ride. Shook more than the Ranga on a dirt
road. Dunno, maybe the shockers were flogged out.
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but they don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial styling"
isn't going to help sales.
On 1/08/2025 4:49 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 1/8/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:Comment seem to totally be about it's looks. Since a ute is supposedly a utility vehicle, shouldn't judgement be on how well it fulfills it's purpose?
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
It is highly optimistic for something as ugly as the Tasman ute. There
can't be that many mug buyers around surely?
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but theyFor controversial styling, read *dates quickly*!
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
On 1/08/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
Pre order information would only come from Kia, and maybe they're
talking it up. Sales figures will tell
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
For something *that* ugly it's surprising.
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but they
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
Yeah, that's the thing I didn't get. Their pricing is pretty out there
and slightly above that of the Ranger and Hilux. You'd reckon with
something *this* ugly if they want to knock off the established market leaders they'd make the thing a bit more attractive on the price point.
On 1/08/2025 2:52 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 1/8/2025 1:39 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 1/08/2025 10:08 am, keithr0 wrote:The brand alone will bring in a few mug punters, plenty of Noddies
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
That's one fugly vehicle. Pre-orders are one thing - but how well it
sells long term remains to be seen.
about, then the glow will fade as realisation sets in.
Yes, as people point and laugh at the ridiculous things. Mind you, fugly seems to be a trend (Toyota 300 series is another) but that look is not going to age well IMO.
On 1/08/2025 4:49 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 1/8/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:Comment seem to totally be about it's looks. Since a ute is supposedly a utility vehicle, shouldn't judgement be on how well it fulfills it's purpose?
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
It is highly optimistic for something as ugly as the Tasman ute. There
can't be that many mug buyers around surely?
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but theyFor controversial styling, read *dates quickly*!
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
On 1/8/2025 8:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 1/08/2025 4:49 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 1/8/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:Comment seem to totally be about it's looks. Since a ute is supposedly
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
It is highly optimistic for something as ugly as the Tasman ute.
There can't be that many mug buyers around surely?
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but theyFor controversial styling, read *dates quickly*!
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
a utility vehicle, shouldn't judgement be on how well it fulfills it's
purpose?
Yes and no, if you have a choice between various utes all with similar capabilities and all with similar prices and features would you choose
one that looks okay or one that looks ugly?
Also resale value needs to be considered, a better looking vehicle will usually sell better than an ugly one.
On 1/8/2025 1:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
Went for a ride in a Camry hybrid last night. Quiet, nice performance,A taxi?
comfortable, but what a shit ride. Shook more than the Ranga on a dirt
road. Dunno, maybe the shockers were flogged out.
On 1/08/2025 1:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
I know none of these things are pretty, but the Tasman would have to go
down as one of the ugliest things ever made. Nice on the inside, and it
has the same engine as our Sorento which is pretty smooth and quiet. But *Jesus* the Tasman is ugly.
It's also huge. I parked my Ranger next to one the other day and it made
the Ranger look small.
Went for a ride in a Camry hybrid last night. Quiet, nice performance,
comfortable, but what a shit ride. Shook more than the Ranga on a dirt
road. Dunno, maybe the shockers were flogged out.
Maybe. They're normally not bad.
On 1/08/2025 9:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 1:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
I know none of these things are pretty, but the Tasman would have to
go down as one of the ugliest things ever made. Nice on the inside,
and it has the same engine as our Sorento which is pretty smooth and
quiet. But *Jesus* the Tasman is ugly.
It's also huge. I parked my Ranger next to one the other day and it
made the Ranger look small.
Hahahhaha wait till you get passed by a Toyota Tundra. Was like being in
a total eclipse.. :-)>
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn?page=2&seek=nDXLTzb
Went for a ride in a Camry hybrid last night. Quiet, nice
performance, comfortable, but what a shit ride. Shook more than the
Ranga on a dirt road. Dunno, maybe the shockers were flogged out.
Maybe. They're normally not bad.
Yep, i get it, which is why i was surprised at how bad the suspension
was. I should have asked the teapicker how old it was and how many k's.
Was similar to the taxis in Cairns, prius I think they were, flogged out
at 500k. bordering on dangerous.
On 1/8/2025 8:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
Comment seem to totally be about it's looks. Since a ute is supposedly
a utility vehicle, shouldn't judgement be on how well it fulfills it's
purpose?
Yes and no, if you have a choice between various utes all with similar capabilities and all with similar prices and features would you choose
one that looks okay or one that looks ugly?
Also resale value needs to be considered, a better looking vehicle will usually sell better than an ugly one.
On 1/8/2025 9:16 pm, Noddy wrote:
Yeah, that's the thing I didn't get. Their pricing is pretty out there
and slightly above that of the Ranger and Hilux. You'd reckon with
something *this* ugly if they want to knock off the established market
leaders they'd make the thing a bit more attractive on the price point.
That's the usual way of trying to get a new unknown product into a
market but for reasons best known to themselves Kia think otherwise.
I think back a long way to the HD Holden, pretty much the same as a HR mechanically but people hated the pointy ends so it didn't sell well,
the AU Falcon is another example of looks badly affecting sales.
Utes shouldn't be as affected by looks as cars but looks or the lack of
good looks won't help sales.
On 1/08/2025 3:40 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 1/8/2025 1:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
Went for a ride in a Camry hybrid last night. Quiet, niceA taxi?
performance, comfortable, but what a shit ride. Shook more than the
Ranga on a dirt road. Dunno, maybe the shockers were flogged out.
ohhh close! :-) Uber. Difference being the uber driver normally owns his car, and I would have expected that he looks after it a bit more than
the shitheaps running around Melburg with a taxi light on the roof.
99% of ubers are in great condition. Not this one.>
On 1/08/2025 9:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 1:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
I know none of these things are pretty, but the Tasman would have to
go down as one of the ugliest things ever made. Nice on the inside,
and it has the same engine as our Sorento which is pretty smooth and
quiet. But *Jesus* the Tasman is ugly.
It's also huge. I parked my Ranger next to one the other day and it
made the Ranger look small.
Hahahhaha wait till you get passed by a Toyota Tundra. Was like being in
a total eclipse.. :-)>
Went for a ride in a Camry hybrid last night. Quiet, nice
performance, comfortable, but what a shit ride. Shook more than the
Ranga on a dirt road. Dunno, maybe the shockers were flogged out.
Maybe. They're normally not bad.
Yep, i get it, which is why i was surprised at how bad the suspension
was. I should have asked the teapicker how old it was and how many k's.
Was similar to the taxis in Cairns, prius I think they were, flogged out
at 500k. bordering on dangerous.
On 2/08/2025 7:55 am, lindsay wrote:
On 1/08/2025 9:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 1:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
I know none of these things are pretty, but the Tasman would have to
go down as one of the ugliest things ever made. Nice on the inside,
and it has the same engine as our Sorento which is pretty smooth and
quiet. But *Jesus* the Tasman is ugly.
It's also huge. I parked my Ranger next to one the other day and it
made the Ranger look small.
Hahahhaha wait till you get passed by a Toyota Tundra. Was like being
in a total eclipse.. :-)>
I haven't seen one yet, but like anything American I imagine they're not small. A bloke just up the road from me has a current model F-150 and they're fucking enormous. They make the Ranger look like Magilla
Gorilla's spare car :)
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn?page=2&seek=nDXLTzb
--
Went for a ride in a Camry hybrid last night. Quiet, nice
performance, comfortable, but what a shit ride. Shook more than the
Ranga on a dirt road. Dunno, maybe the shockers were flogged out.
Maybe. They're normally not bad.
Yep, i get it, which is why i was surprised at how bad the suspension
was. I should have asked the teapicker how old it was and how many k's.
Was similar to the taxis in Cairns, prius I think they were, flogged
out at 500k. bordering on dangerous.
Apparently there's a lot of Uber cars getting around that have been repairable write offs. Maybe it was one of them.
On 1/08/2025 9:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 1/8/2025 8:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
Comment seem to totally be about it's looks. Since a ute is
supposedly a utility vehicle, shouldn't judgement be on how well it
fulfills it's purpose?
Yes and no, if you have a choice between various utes all with similar
capabilities and all with similar prices and features would you choose
one that looks okay or one that looks ugly?
Keith makes a fair point. *None* of them are attractive vehicles, and
you don't see the outside when you're driving it. I haven't sat in a
Tasman yet but they look to be pretty nice, and if it's anything like
our Sorento it will be a well equipped, comfortable and capable vehicle.
But at 77 grand for their top spec model that pits it directly against
the Ranger Platinum which for that money has a 6 cylinder engine, a
couple of extra gears, built in tow kit, electric roll top for the tub, adjustable cargo rack system and a few other bits & pieces that make it
a *much* better buy for the money and a more capable vehicle.
Also resale value needs to be considered, a better looking vehicle
will usually sell better than an ugly one.
It will be interesting to see how well the Tasman does. It's kinda in
the same boat as the current Hyundai Santa Fe in that you either love it
or hate the sight of it. That's often a dangerous path to go down commercially, and while it currently seems to be working for Hyundai it
may not necessarily do for Kia.
On 1/08/2025 4:49 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 1/8/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:Comment seem to totally be about it's looks. Since a ute is supposedly a utility vehicle, shouldn't judgement be on how well it fulfills it's purpose?
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
It is highly optimistic for something as ugly as the Tasman ute. There
can't be that many mug buyers around surely?
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but theyFor controversial styling, read *dates quickly*!
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
On 2/8/2025 9:02 am, Noddy wrote:
Apparently there's a lot of Uber cars getting around that have beenThe CLK 320 Merc I was given recently was written off and the owner paid
repairable write offs. Maybe it was one of them.
out then they gave him back the car, it wasn't on the written off
vehicle register, if it was it wouldn't be worth fixing.
I know people who have gone through the process of getting RWO back on
the road and unless its an expensive car its not worth the effort in Victoria, maybe easier in other states?
BTW the Merc is fixed and going for a roadworthy next Tuesday, so far
its cost me about $1500.00 to repair "$10,000 of damage", stuffed if I
know how they come up with the numbers, I would have to charge $500 per
hour to get even close to $10k.
On 2/8/2025 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
Keith makes a fair point. *None* of them are attractive vehicles, and
you don't see the outside when you're driving it. I haven't sat in a
Tasman yet but they look to be pretty nice, and if it's anything like
our Sorento it will be a well equipped, comfortable and capable vehicle.
But at 77 grand for their top spec model that pits it directly against
the Ranger Platinum which for that money has a 6 cylinder engine, a
couple of extra gears, built in tow kit, electric roll top for the
tub, adjustable cargo rack system and a few other bits & pieces that
make it a *much* better buy for the money and a more capable vehicle.
That's were their marketing/business model doesn't seem to make sense,
its unusual way of introducing a new vehicle range.>
It will be interesting to see how well the Tasman does. It's kinda in
the same boat as the current Hyundai Santa Fe in that you either love
it or hate the sight of it. That's often a dangerous path to go down
commercially, and while it currently seems to be working for Hyundai
it may not necessarily do for Kia.
I'm not a fan of the looks of the Santa Fe, I wouldn't say that I hate
it but I certainly don't like it.
On 2/08/2025 9:51 am, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 9:02 am, Noddy wrote:
Apparently there's a lot of Uber cars getting around that have beenThe CLK 320 Merc I was given recently was written off and the owner
repairable write offs. Maybe it was one of them.
paid out then they gave him back the car, it wasn't on the written off
vehicle register, if it was it wouldn't be worth fixing.
I know people who have gone through the process of getting RWO back on
the road and unless its an expensive car its not worth the effort in
Victoria, maybe easier in other states?
Don't know, but it would want to be a high end car to be worth the
amount of ridiculous procedural bullshit you need to go through in
Victoria to re-register such a vehicle. None of which has anything to do with the quality of the repair work :)
On 01-Aug-25 8:21 PM, keithr0 wrote:
On 1/08/2025 4:49 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 1/8/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:Comment seem to totally be about it's looks. Since a ute is supposedly
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
It is highly optimistic for something as ugly as the Tasman ute.
There can't be that many mug buyers around surely?
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but theyFor controversial styling, read *dates quickly*!
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
a utility vehicle, shouldn't judgement be on how well it fulfills it's
purpose?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-aAgreed. However it seems most of these *big* utes seem to be owned by poseurs and never carry a decent load, or venture off road.. (For which
the FWD versions are well equipped)
-a-a Dunno about ugly either, the only thing that springs to mind is that someone forgot it needed headlights.So they glued them onto the side of
the guards and called it good!.. :(
On 2/08/2025 9:55 am, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
Keith makes a fair point. *None* of them are attractive vehicles, and
you don't see the outside when you're driving it. I haven't sat in a
Tasman yet but they look to be pretty nice, and if it's anything like
our Sorento it will be a well equipped, comfortable and capable vehicle. >>>
But at 77 grand for their top spec model that pits it directly
against the Ranger Platinum which for that money has a 6 cylinder
engine, a couple of extra gears, built in tow kit, electric roll top
for the tub, adjustable cargo rack system and a few other bits &
pieces that make it a *much* better buy for the money and a more
capable vehicle.
That's were their marketing/business model doesn't seem to make sense,
its unusual way of introducing a new vehicle range.>
It's high risk, that's for sure. If it were me I'd be pricing it far
more competitively to get people interested and *then* boosting the
price after a few years once it had established itself. But to charge in head long with an "out there" styled vehicle that is as expensive, if
not dearer, than the established market leaders is an incredibly bold
move that could very easily blow up in your face.
Give it 6 months. If they start offering price discounts we'll know that things aren't exactly going to plan....
It will be interesting to see how well the Tasman does. It's kinda in
the same boat as the current Hyundai Santa Fe in that you either love
it or hate the sight of it. That's often a dangerous path to go down
commercially, and while it currently seems to be working for Hyundai
it may not necessarily do for Kia.
I'm not a fan of the looks of the Santa Fe, I wouldn't say that I hate
it but I certainly don't like it.
I think it looks quirky. Like you I don't hate it, but it's an odd
looking thing. And I fucking *hate* all these new semi gloss paint
finishes. I'm fucked if I'd pay 80 grand for a car that looks like it's
been painted with a rattle can :)
Having said that, the fit and finish on the new Santa Fe is superb, and
the interior has a *very* high end feel to it. The wife loves it and we tested one when we were looking for a new car not that long ago. *Very*
nice interior on the top end "Calligraphy" model, but the main thing
that turned both of us off it was the fact that it was only available as
a small petrol turbo hybrid which, went okay when the battery was
charged but was less than stellar when it wasn't.
The Kia dealer was right next door and we drove the Sorento and decided
that was a better buy in the Diesel.
On 2/08/2025 9:51 am, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 9:02 am, Noddy wrote:
Apparently there's a lot of Uber cars getting around that have beenThe CLK 320 Merc I was given recently was written off and the owner
repairable write offs. Maybe it was one of them.
paid out then they gave him back the car, it wasn't on the written off
vehicle register, if it was it wouldn't be worth fixing.
I know people who have gone through the process of getting RWO back on
the road and unless its an expensive car its not worth the effort in
Victoria, maybe easier in other states?
Don't know, but it would want to be a high end car to be worth the
amount of ridiculous procedural bullshit you need to go through in
Victoria to re-register such a vehicle. None of which has anything to do with the quality of the repair work :)
BTW the Merc is fixed and going for a roadworthy next Tuesday, so far
its cost me about $1500.00 to repair "$10,000 of damage", stuffed if I
know how they come up with the numbers, I would have to charge $500
per hour to get even close to $10k.
Nice. I'm fucked if I know how they justify costings these days. It
makes zero sense to me. I've seen cars written off because they were "flooded", but the level of water the car was subject to was less than
the manufacturer's maximum fording depth.
<shrug>
On 2/8/2025 12:07 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 2/08/2025 9:51 am, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 9:02 am, Noddy wrote:
Apparently there's a lot of Uber cars getting around that have beenThe CLK 320 Merc I was given recently was written off and the owner
repairable write offs. Maybe it was one of them.
paid out then they gave him back the car, it wasn't on the written
off vehicle register, if it was it wouldn't be worth fixing.
I know people who have gone through the process of getting RWO back
on the road and unless its an expensive car its not worth the effort
in Victoria, maybe easier in other states?
Don't know, but it would want to be a high end car to be worth the
amount of ridiculous procedural bullshit you need to go through in
Victoria to re-register such a vehicle. None of which has anything to
do with the quality of the repair work :)
My son originally set up his car wrecking business with the idea of
buying repairing repairable write offs, fixing them selling them but
after doing the first one and finding out what a pita the process is he changed his mind, the Corolla he was fixing had some very minor dents/scratches on one back door and because they were listed the tosser doing the testing insisted they be repaired, nothing at all to do with safety, just pedantic stupidity.
Might be worth ii if it was a $100k car but not for a $5-8k Corolla.
On 2/8/2025 7:55 am, lindsay wrote:maintained or used to be with Ford Falcons ,they are all calculated
On 1/08/2025 9:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 1:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
I know none of these things are pretty, but the Tasman would have to
go down as one of the ugliest things ever made. Nice on the inside,
and it has the same engine as our Sorento which is pretty smooth and
quiet. But *Jesus* the Tasman is ugly.
It's also huge. I parked my Ranger next to one the other day and it
made the Ranger look small.
Hahahhaha wait till you get passed by a Toyota Tundra. Was like being
in a total eclipse.. :-)>
LOL, try a Ram, make a Ranger look small:-)
Went for a ride in a Camry hybrid last night. Quiet, nice
performance, comfortable, but what a shit ride. Shook more than the
Ranga on a dirt road. Dunno, maybe the shockers were flogged out.
Maybe. They're normally not bad.
Yep, i get it, which is why i was surprised at how bad the suspension
was. I should have asked the teapicker how old it was and how many k's.
Was similar to the taxis in Cairns, prius I think they were, flogged
out at 500k. bordering on dangerous.
Trouble with the taxi and Uber businesses is they don't make big money
so they skimp on maintenance, at those sort of kms any car would need a
full suspension rebuild but the owners won't spend the money.
The taxi do not make big money in Tasmania and they are heavily
On 1/08/2025 9:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 1:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
I know none of these things are pretty, but the Tasman would have to
go down as one of the ugliest things ever made. Nice on the inside,
and it has the same engine as our Sorento which is pretty smooth and
quiet. But *Jesus* the Tasman is ugly.
It's also huge. I parked my Ranger next to one the other day and it
made the Ranger look small.
Hahahhaha wait till you get passed by a Toyota Tundra. Was like being in
a total eclipse.. :-)>
Went for a ride in a Camry hybrid last night. Quiet, nice
performance, comfortable, but what a shit ride. Shook more than the
Ranga on a dirt road. Dunno, maybe the shockers were flogged out.
Maybe. They're normally not bad.
Yep, i get it, which is why i was surprised at how bad the suspension
was. I should have asked the teapicker how old it was and how many k's.
Was similar to the taxis in Cairns, prius I think they were, flogged out
at 500k. bordering on dangerous.
On 2/08/2025 9:55 am, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
Keith makes a fair point. *None* of them are attractive vehicles, and
you don't see the outside when you're driving it. I haven't sat in a
Tasman yet but they look to be pretty nice, and if it's anything like
our Sorento it will be a well equipped, comfortable and capable vehicle. >>>
But at 77 grand for their top spec model that pits it directly
against the Ranger Platinum which for that money has a 6 cylinder
engine, a couple of extra gears, built in tow kit, electric roll top
for the tub, adjustable cargo rack system and a few other bits &
pieces that make it a *much* better buy for the money and a more
capable vehicle.
That's were their marketing/business model doesn't seem to make sense,
its unusual way of introducing a new vehicle range.>
It's high risk, that's for sure. If it were me I'd be pricing it far
more competitively to get people interested and *then* boosting the
price after a few years once it had established itself. But to charge in head long with an "out there" styled vehicle that is as expensive, if
not dearer, than the established market leaders is an incredibly bold
move that could very easily blow up in your face.
Give it 6 months. If they start offering price discounts we'll know that things aren't exactly going to plan....
It will be interesting to see how well the Tasman does. It's kinda in
the same boat as the current Hyundai Santa Fe in that you either love
it or hate the sight of it. That's often a dangerous path to go down
commercially, and while it currently seems to be working for Hyundai
it may not necessarily do for Kia.
I'm not a fan of the looks of the Santa Fe, I wouldn't say that I hate
it but I certainly don't like it.
I think it looks quirky. Like you I don't hate it, but it's an odd
looking thing. And I fucking *hate* all these new semi gloss paint
finishes. I'm fucked if I'd pay 80 grand for a car that looks like it's
been painted with a rattle can :)
Having said that, the fit and finish on the new Santa Fe is superb, and
the interior has a *very* high end feel to it. The wife loves it and we tested one when we were looking for a new car not that long ago. *Very*
nice interior on the top end "Calligraphy" model, but the main thing
that turned both of us off it was the fact that it was only available as
a small petrol turbo hybrid which, went okay when the battery was
charged but was less than stellar when it wasn't.
The Kia dealer was right next door and we drove the Sorento and decided
that was a better buy in the Diesel.
On 2/8/2025 12:07 pm, Noddy wrote:
Don't know, but it would want to be a high end car to be worth the
amount of ridiculous procedural bullshit you need to go through in
Victoria to re-register such a vehicle. None of which has anything to
do with the quality of the repair work :)
My son originally set up his car wrecking business with the idea of
buying repairing repairable write offs, fixing them selling them but
after doing the first one and finding out what a pita the process is he changed his mind, the Corolla he was fixing had some very minor dents/ scratches on one back door and because they were listed the tosser doing
the testing insisted they be repaired, nothing at all to do with safety, just pedantic stupidity.
Might be worth ii if it was a $100k car but not for a $5-8k Corolla.
On 2/08/2025 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 2/08/2025 9:55 am, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
Keith makes a fair point. *None* of them are attractive vehicles,
and you don't see the outside when you're driving it. I haven't sat
in a Tasman yet but they look to be pretty nice, and if it's
anything like our Sorento it will be a well equipped, comfortable
and capable vehicle.
But at 77 grand for their top spec model that pits it directly
against the Ranger Platinum which for that money has a 6 cylinder
engine, a couple of extra gears, built in tow kit, electric roll top
for the tub, adjustable cargo rack system and a few other bits &
pieces that make it a *much* better buy for the money and a more
capable vehicle.
That's were their marketing/business model doesn't seem to make
sense, its unusual way of introducing a new vehicle range.>
It's high risk, that's for sure. If it were me I'd be pricing it far
more competitively to get people interested and *then* boosting the
price after a few years once it had established itself. But to charge
in head long with an "out there" styled vehicle that is as expensive,
if not dearer, than the established market leaders is an incredibly
bold move that could very easily blow up in your face.
Give it 6 months. If they start offering price discounts we'll know
that things aren't exactly going to plan....
It will be interesting to see how well the Tasman does. It's kinda
in the same boat as the current Hyundai Santa Fe in that you either
love it or hate the sight of it. That's often a dangerous path to go
down commercially, and while it currently seems to be working for
Hyundai it may not necessarily do for Kia.
I'm not a fan of the looks of the Santa Fe, I wouldn't say that I
hate it but I certainly don't like it.
I think it looks quirky. Like you I don't hate it, but it's an odd
looking thing. And I fucking *hate* all these new semi gloss paint
finishes. I'm fucked if I'd pay 80 grand for a car that looks like
it's been painted with a rattle can :)
Having said that, the fit and finish on the new Santa Fe is superb,
and the interior has a *very* high end feel to it. The wife loves it
and we tested one when we were looking for a new car not that long
ago. *Very* nice interior on the top end "Calligraphy" model, but the
main thing that turned both of us off it was the fact that it was only
available as a small petrol turbo hybrid which, went okay when the
battery was charged but was less than stellar when it wasn't.
The Kia dealer was right next door and we drove the Sorento and
decided that was a better buy in the Diesel.
We're looking at a new car probably in a couple of months time, the
Maz-3 is 9 years old, although it is a perfectly good car, nothing wrong with it and very economical for a 2.5L. the wife, however, has some
mobility problems and would like something higher riding and easier to
get in and out of.
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the FWD
has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L engine,
but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K. Then there was
the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at $50K, but only has a
not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look a bit weird, also had a
DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but, historically, they haven't been
the most reliable.
Then I started reading a bit about hybrids in the real world. The
reckoning seems to be that they make the biggest difference if you live
in a city with lots of stop start driving, not much saving on the
highway, no braking to recharge the battery. A RAV4 owner that I know reckons that he gets in the high 5s rather that the 4.1 that Toyota claim.
The current leader is the CX-5, you can get the Akira with all the bells
and whistles for $2K more than the similarly equipped Kona, and $4K less than the similar RAV4. It has an epicyclic gearbox and AWD, the same
engine as the Maz 3 so it's the devil I know. We're going away soon so
decision time will probably be October, it may come down to what trade
in is offered for the 3.
On 2/08/2025 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 2/08/2025 9:55 am, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
Keith makes a fair point. *None* of them are attractive vehicles,
and you don't see the outside when you're driving it. I haven't sat
in a Tasman yet but they look to be pretty nice, and if it's
anything like our Sorento it will be a well equipped, comfortable
and capable vehicle.
But at 77 grand for their top spec model that pits it directly
against the Ranger Platinum which for that money has a 6 cylinder
engine, a couple of extra gears, built in tow kit, electric roll top
for the tub, adjustable cargo rack system and a few other bits &
pieces that make it a *much* better buy for the money and a more
capable vehicle.
That's were their marketing/business model doesn't seem to make
sense, its unusual way of introducing a new vehicle range.>
It's high risk, that's for sure. If it were me I'd be pricing it far
more competitively to get people interested and *then* boosting the
price after a few years once it had established itself. But to charge
in head long with an "out there" styled vehicle that is as expensive,
if not dearer, than the established market leaders is an incredibly
bold move that could very easily blow up in your face.
Give it 6 months. If they start offering price discounts we'll know
that things aren't exactly going to plan....
It will be interesting to see how well the Tasman does. It's kinda
in the same boat as the current Hyundai Santa Fe in that you either
love it or hate the sight of it. That's often a dangerous path to go
down commercially, and while it currently seems to be working for
Hyundai it may not necessarily do for Kia.
I'm not a fan of the looks of the Santa Fe, I wouldn't say that I
hate it but I certainly don't like it.
I think it looks quirky. Like you I don't hate it, but it's an odd
looking thing. And I fucking *hate* all these new semi gloss paint
finishes. I'm fucked if I'd pay 80 grand for a car that looks like
it's been painted with a rattle can :)
Having said that, the fit and finish on the new Santa Fe is superb,
and the interior has a *very* high end feel to it. The wife loves it
and we tested one when we were looking for a new car not that long
ago. *Very* nice interior on the top end "Calligraphy" model, but the
main thing that turned both of us off it was the fact that it was only
available as a small petrol turbo hybrid which, went okay when the
battery was charged but was less than stellar when it wasn't.
The Kia dealer was right next door and we drove the Sorento and
decided that was a better buy in the Diesel.
We're looking at a new car probably in a couple of months time, the
Maz-3 is 9 years old, although it is a perfectly good car, nothing wrong with it and very economical for a 2.5L. the wife, however, has some
mobility problems and would like something higher riding and easier to
get in and out of.
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the FWD
has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L engine,
but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K. Then there was
the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at $50K, but only has a
not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look a bit weird, also had a
DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but, historically, they haven't been
the most reliable.
Then I started reading a bit about hybrids in the real world. The
reckoning seems to be that they make the biggest difference if you live
in a city with lots of stop start driving, not much saving on the
highway, no braking to recharge the battery. A RAV4 owner that I know reckons that he gets in the high 5s rather that the 4.1 that Toyota claim.
The current leader is the CX-5, you can get the Akira with all the bells
and whistles for $2K more than the similarly equipped Kona, and $4K less than the similar RAV4. It has an epicyclic gearbox and AWD, the same
engine as the Maz 3 so it's the devil I know. We're going away soon so decision time will probably be October, it may come down to what trade
in is offered for the 3.
On 2/08/2025 12:44 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 12:07 pm, Noddy wrote:
Don't know, but it would want to be a high end car to be worth the
amount of ridiculous procedural bullshit you need to go through in
Victoria to re-register such a vehicle. None of which has anything to
do with the quality of the repair work :)
My son originally set up his car wrecking business with the idea of
buying repairing repairable write offs, fixing them selling them but
after doing the first one and finding out what a pita the process is
he changed his mind, the Corolla he was fixing had some very minor
dents/ scratches on one back door and because they were listed the
tosser doing the testing insisted they be repaired, nothing at all to
do with safety, just pedantic stupidity.
Might be worth ii if it was a $100k car but not for a $5-8k Corolla.
I don't think I'd even bother with a hundred grand car. The bullshit you have to go through is staggering, and it seems to change on a daily basis.
On 2/08/2025 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 2/08/2025 9:55 am, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
Keith makes a fair point. *None* of them are attractive vehicles,
and you don't see the outside when you're driving it. I haven't sat
in a Tasman yet but they look to be pretty nice, and if it's
anything like our Sorento it will be a well equipped, comfortable
and capable vehicle.
But at 77 grand for their top spec model that pits it directly
against the Ranger Platinum which for that money has a 6 cylinder
engine, a couple of extra gears, built in tow kit, electric roll top
for the tub, adjustable cargo rack system and a few other bits &
pieces that make it a *much* better buy for the money and a more
capable vehicle.
That's were their marketing/business model doesn't seem to make
sense, its unusual way of introducing a new vehicle range.>
It's high risk, that's for sure. If it were me I'd be pricing it far
more competitively to get people interested and *then* boosting the
price after a few years once it had established itself. But to charge
in head long with an "out there" styled vehicle that is as expensive,
if not dearer, than the established market leaders is an incredibly
bold move that could very easily blow up in your face.
Give it 6 months. If they start offering price discounts we'll know
that things aren't exactly going to plan....
It will be interesting to see how well the Tasman does. It's kinda
in the same boat as the current Hyundai Santa Fe in that you either
love it or hate the sight of it. That's often a dangerous path to go
down commercially, and while it currently seems to be working for
Hyundai it may not necessarily do for Kia.
I'm not a fan of the looks of the Santa Fe, I wouldn't say that I
hate it but I certainly don't like it.
I think it looks quirky. Like you I don't hate it, but it's an odd
looking thing. And I fucking *hate* all these new semi gloss paint
finishes. I'm fucked if I'd pay 80 grand for a car that looks like
it's been painted with a rattle can :)
Having said that, the fit and finish on the new Santa Fe is superb,
and the interior has a *very* high end feel to it. The wife loves it
and we tested one when we were looking for a new car not that long
ago. *Very* nice interior on the top end "Calligraphy" model, but the
main thing that turned both of us off it was the fact that it was only
available as a small petrol turbo hybrid which, went okay when the
battery was charged but was less than stellar when it wasn't.
The Kia dealer was right next door and we drove the Sorento and
decided that was a better buy in the Diesel.
We're looking at a new car probably in a couple of months time, the
Maz-3 is 9 years old, although it is a perfectly good car, nothing wrong with it and very economical for a 2.5L. the wife, however, has some
mobility problems and would like something higher riding and easier to
get in and out of.
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the FWD
has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L engine,
but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K. Then there was
the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at $50K, but only has a
not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look a bit weird, also had a
DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but, historically, they haven't been
the most reliable.
Then I started reading a bit about hybrids in the real world. The
reckoning seems to be that they make the biggest difference if you live
in a city with lots of stop start driving, not much saving on the
highway, no braking to recharge the battery. A RAV4 owner that I know reckons that he gets in the high 5s rather that the 4.1 that Toyota claim.
The current leader is the CX-5, you can get the Akira with all the bells
and whistles for $2K more than the similarly equipped Kona, and $4K less than the similar RAV4. It has an epicyclic gearbox and AWD, the same
engine as the Maz 3 so it's the devil I know. We're going away soon so decision time will probably be October, it may come down to what trade
in is offered for the 3.
On 2/8/2025 8:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the FWD
has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L
engine, but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K. Then
there was the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at $50K, but
only has a not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look a bit
weird, also had a DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but, historically,
they haven't been the most reliable.
I'd have a DSG over a CVT any day, the one in my wifes Golf has its
quirks but its been very reliable.
On 2/8/2025 8:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
I don't think I'd even bother with a hundred grand car. The bullshitSeems like like they are trying to make it as difficult as possible to
you have to go through is staggering, and it seems to change on a
daily basis.
get damaged cars back on the road, seems like some sort of conspiracy between Govts, car makers and insurance companies to get older cars off
the roads which makes zero sense to anyone but them.
On 2/08/2025 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
Having said that, the fit and finish on the new Santa Fe is superb,
and the interior has a *very* high end feel to it. The wife loves it
and we tested one when we were looking for a new car not that long
ago. *Very* nice interior on the top end "Calligraphy" model, but the
main thing that turned both of us off it was the fact that it was only
available as a small petrol turbo hybrid which, went okay when the
battery was charged but was less than stellar when it wasn't.
The Kia dealer was right next door and we drove the Sorento and
decided that was a better buy in the Diesel.
We're looking at a new car probably in a couple of months time, the
Maz-3 is 9 years old, although it is a perfectly good car, nothing wrong with it and very economical for a 2.5L. the wife, however, has some
mobility problems and would like something higher riding and easier to
get in and out of.
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the FWD
has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L engine,
but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K. Then there was
the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at $50K, but only has a
not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look a bit weird, also had a
DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but, historically, they haven't been
the most reliable.
Then I started reading a bit about hybrids in the real world. The
reckoning seems to be that they make the biggest difference if you live
in a city with lots of stop start driving, not much saving on the
highway, no braking to recharge the battery. A RAV4 owner that I know reckons that he gets in the high 5s rather that the 4.1 that Toyota claim.
The current leader is the CX-5, you can get the Akira with all the bells
and whistles for $2K more than the similarly equipped Kona, and $4K less than the similar RAV4. It has an epicyclic gearbox and AWD, the same
engine as the Maz 3 so it's the devil I know. We're going away soon so decision time will probably be October, it may come down to what trade
in is offered for the 3.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/author/paul-maric
On 1/08/2025 4:49 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 1/8/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:Comment seem to totally be about it's looks. Since a ute is supposedly a utility vehicle, shouldn't judgement be on how well it fulfills it's purpose?
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
It is highly optimistic for something as ugly as the Tasman ute. There
can't be that many mug buyers around surely?
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but theyFor controversial styling, read *dates quickly*!
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
On 1/08/2025 6:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 1/08/2025 4:49 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 1/8/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:Comment seem to totally be about it's looks. Since a ute is supposedly a
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
It is highly optimistic for something as ugly as the Tasman ute. There
can't be that many mug buyers around surely?
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but theyFor controversial styling, read *dates quickly*!
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
utility vehicle, shouldn't judgement be on how well it fulfills it's
purpose?
It has no proven track record. Tradies aren't going to gamble on an
unknown - which is why tradies by vehicles with a proven track record
for reliability.
The poseur/weekend warrior/soccer mum market is what the ugly thing is really aimed at.
On 2/08/2025 11:29 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 8:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the FWD
has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L
engine, but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K. Then
there was the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at $50K,
but only has a not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look a bit
weird, also had a DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but,
historically, they haven't been the most reliable.
I'd have a DSG over a CVT any day, the one in my wifes Golf has its
quirks but its been very reliable.
Same with the Sorento. I wasn't keen in the idea of it being a DSG at
first as some of the earlier ones had issues, but this one is excellent
and goes a long way to the thing getting quite outstanding fuel economy.
I wouldn't have a CVT if you gave me one for free.
On 2/08/2025 8:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/08/2025 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 2/08/2025 9:55 am, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
Keith makes a fair point. *None* of them are attractive vehicles,
and you don't see the outside when you're driving it. I haven't sat >>>>> in a Tasman yet but they look to be pretty nice, and if it's
anything like our Sorento it will be a well equipped, comfortable
and capable vehicle.
But at 77 grand for their top spec model that pits it directly
against the Ranger Platinum which for that money has a 6 cylinder
engine, a couple of extra gears, built in tow kit, electric roll
top for the tub, adjustable cargo rack system and a few other bits
& pieces that make it a *much* better buy for the money and a more
capable vehicle.
That's were their marketing/business model doesn't seem to make
sense, its unusual way of introducing a new vehicle range.>
It's high risk, that's for sure. If it were me I'd be pricing it far
more competitively to get people interested and *then* boosting the
price after a few years once it had established itself. But to charge
in head long with an "out there" styled vehicle that is as expensive,
if not dearer, than the established market leaders is an incredibly
bold move that could very easily blow up in your face.
Give it 6 months. If they start offering price discounts we'll know
that things aren't exactly going to plan....
It will be interesting to see how well the Tasman does. It's kinda
in the same boat as the current Hyundai Santa Fe in that you either >>>>> love it or hate the sight of it. That's often a dangerous path to
go down commercially, and while it currently seems to be working
for Hyundai it may not necessarily do for Kia.
I'm not a fan of the looks of the Santa Fe, I wouldn't say that I
hate it but I certainly don't like it.
I think it looks quirky. Like you I don't hate it, but it's an odd
looking thing. And I fucking *hate* all these new semi gloss paint
finishes. I'm fucked if I'd pay 80 grand for a car that looks like
it's been painted with a rattle can :)
Having said that, the fit and finish on the new Santa Fe is superb,
and the interior has a *very* high end feel to it. The wife loves it
and we tested one when we were looking for a new car not that long
ago. *Very* nice interior on the top end "Calligraphy" model, but the
main thing that turned both of us off it was the fact that it was
only available as a small petrol turbo hybrid which, went okay when
the battery was charged but was less than stellar when it wasn't.
The Kia dealer was right next door and we drove the Sorento and
decided that was a better buy in the Diesel.
We're looking at a new car probably in a couple of months time, the
Maz-3 is 9 years old, although it is a perfectly good car, nothing
wrong with it and very economical for a 2.5L. the wife, however, has
some mobility problems and would like something higher riding and
easier to get in and out of.
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the FWD
has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L
engine, but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K. Then
there was the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at $50K, but
only has a not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look a bit
weird, also had a DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but, historically,
they haven't been the most reliable.
Then I started reading a bit about hybrids in the real world. The
reckoning seems to be that they make the biggest difference if you
live in a city with lots of stop start driving, not much saving on the
highway, no braking to recharge the battery. A RAV4 owner that I know
reckons that he gets in the high 5s rather that the 4.1 that Toyota
claim.
The current leader is the CX-5, you can get the Akira with all the
bells and whistles for $2K more than the similarly equipped Kona, and
$4K less than the similar RAV4. It has an epicyclic gearbox and AWD,
the same engine as the Maz 3 so it's the devil I know. We're going
away soon so decision time will probably be October, it may come down
to what trade in is offered for the 3.
**Why don't you like the CVT box?
I've been driving my Subaru Levorg for almost 8 years.
On 3/8/2025 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/08/2025 8:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/08/2025 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 2/08/2025 9:55 am, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
Keith makes a fair point. *None* of them are attractive vehicles, >>>>>> and you don't see the outside when you're driving it. I haven't
sat in a Tasman yet but they look to be pretty nice, and if it's
anything like our Sorento it will be a well equipped, comfortable >>>>>> and capable vehicle.
But at 77 grand for their top spec model that pits it directly
against the Ranger Platinum which for that money has a 6 cylinder >>>>>> engine, a couple of extra gears, built in tow kit, electric roll
top for the tub, adjustable cargo rack system and a few other bits >>>>>> & pieces that make it a *much* better buy for the money and a more >>>>>> capable vehicle.
That's were their marketing/business model doesn't seem to make
sense, its unusual way of introducing a new vehicle range.>
It's high risk, that's for sure. If it were me I'd be pricing it far
more competitively to get people interested and *then* boosting the
price after a few years once it had established itself. But to
charge in head long with an "out there" styled vehicle that is as
expensive, if not dearer, than the established market leaders is an
incredibly bold move that could very easily blow up in your face.
Give it 6 months. If they start offering price discounts we'll know
that things aren't exactly going to plan....
It will be interesting to see how well the Tasman does. It's kinda >>>>>> in the same boat as the current Hyundai Santa Fe in that you
either love it or hate the sight of it. That's often a dangerous
path to go down commercially, and while it currently seems to be
working for Hyundai it may not necessarily do for Kia.
I'm not a fan of the looks of the Santa Fe, I wouldn't say that I
hate it but I certainly don't like it.
I think it looks quirky. Like you I don't hate it, but it's an odd
looking thing. And I fucking *hate* all these new semi gloss paint
finishes. I'm fucked if I'd pay 80 grand for a car that looks like
it's been painted with a rattle can :)
Having said that, the fit and finish on the new Santa Fe is superb,
and the interior has a *very* high end feel to it. The wife loves it
and we tested one when we were looking for a new car not that long
ago. *Very* nice interior on the top end "Calligraphy" model, but
the main thing that turned both of us off it was the fact that it
was only available as a small petrol turbo hybrid which, went okay
when the battery was charged but was less than stellar when it wasn't. >>>>
The Kia dealer was right next door and we drove the Sorento and
decided that was a better buy in the Diesel.
We're looking at a new car probably in a couple of months time, the
Maz-3 is 9 years old, although it is a perfectly good car, nothing
wrong with it and very economical for a 2.5L. the wife, however, has
some mobility problems and would like something higher riding and
easier to get in and out of.
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the FWD
has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L
engine, but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K. Then
there was the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at $50K,
but only has a not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look a bit
weird, also had a DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but,
historically, they haven't been the most reliable.
Then I started reading a bit about hybrids in the real world. The
reckoning seems to be that they make the biggest difference if you
live in a city with lots of stop start driving, not much saving on
the highway, no braking to recharge the battery. A RAV4 owner that I
know reckons that he gets in the high 5s rather that the 4.1 that
Toyota claim.
The current leader is the CX-5, you can get the Akira with all the
bells and whistles for $2K more than the similarly equipped Kona, and
$4K less than the similar RAV4. It has an epicyclic gearbox and AWD,
the same engine as the Maz 3 so it's the devil I know. We're going
away soon so decision time will probably be October, it may come down
to what trade in is offered for the 3.
**Why don't you like the CVT box?
I've been driving my Subaru Levorg for almost 8 years.
Has the CVT been serviced?
AFAIK Subaru say that it doesn't need to be serviced but the reason for
most CVT failures is contaminated oil due to lack of servicing, if it
were mine I'd be servicing the CVT.
On 3/08/2025 4:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/8/2025 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/08/2025 8:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/08/2025 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 2/08/2025 9:55 am, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
Keith makes a fair point. *None* of them are attractive vehicles, >>>>>>> and you don't see the outside when you're driving it. I haven't >>>>>>> sat in a Tasman yet but they look to be pretty nice, and if it's >>>>>>> anything like our Sorento it will be a well equipped, comfortable >>>>>>> and capable vehicle.
But at 77 grand for their top spec model that pits it directly
against the Ranger Platinum which for that money has a 6 cylinder >>>>>>> engine, a couple of extra gears, built in tow kit, electric roll >>>>>>> top for the tub, adjustable cargo rack system and a few other
bits & pieces that make it a *much* better buy for the money and >>>>>>> a more capable vehicle.
That's were their marketing/business model doesn't seem to make
sense, its unusual way of introducing a new vehicle range.>
It's high risk, that's for sure. If it were me I'd be pricing it
far more competitively to get people interested and *then* boosting >>>>> the price after a few years once it had established itself. But to
charge in head long with an "out there" styled vehicle that is as
expensive, if not dearer, than the established market leaders is an >>>>> incredibly bold move that could very easily blow up in your face.
Give it 6 months. If they start offering price discounts we'll know >>>>> that things aren't exactly going to plan....
It will be interesting to see how well the Tasman does. It'sI'm not a fan of the looks of the Santa Fe, I wouldn't say that I >>>>>> hate it but I certainly don't like it.
kinda in the same boat as the current Hyundai Santa Fe in that
you either love it or hate the sight of it. That's often a
dangerous path to go down commercially, and while it currently
seems to be working for Hyundai it may not necessarily do for Kia. >>>>>>
I think it looks quirky. Like you I don't hate it, but it's an odd
looking thing. And I fucking *hate* all these new semi gloss paint
finishes. I'm fucked if I'd pay 80 grand for a car that looks like
it's been painted with a rattle can :)
Having said that, the fit and finish on the new Santa Fe is superb, >>>>> and the interior has a *very* high end feel to it. The wife loves
it and we tested one when we were looking for a new car not that
long ago. *Very* nice interior on the top end "Calligraphy" model,
but the main thing that turned both of us off it was the fact that
it was only available as a small petrol turbo hybrid which, went
okay when the battery was charged but was less than stellar when it >>>>> wasn't.
The Kia dealer was right next door and we drove the Sorento and
decided that was a better buy in the Diesel.
We're looking at a new car probably in a couple of months time, the
Maz-3 is 9 years old, although it is a perfectly good car, nothing
wrong with it and very economical for a 2.5L. the wife, however, has
some mobility problems and would like something higher riding and
easier to get in and out of.
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the
FWD has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L
engine, but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K.
Then there was the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at
$50K, but only has a not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look
a bit weird, also had a DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but,
historically, they haven't been the most reliable.
Then I started reading a bit about hybrids in the real world. The
reckoning seems to be that they make the biggest difference if you
live in a city with lots of stop start driving, not much saving on
the highway, no braking to recharge the battery. A RAV4 owner that I
know reckons that he gets in the high 5s rather that the 4.1 that
Toyota claim.
The current leader is the CX-5, you can get the Akira with all the
bells and whistles for $2K more than the similarly equipped Kona,
and $4K less than the similar RAV4. It has an epicyclic gearbox and
AWD, the same engine as the Maz 3 so it's the devil I know. We're
going away soon so decision time will probably be October, it may
come down to what trade in is offered for the 3.
**Why don't you like the CVT box?
I've been driving my Subaru Levorg for almost 8 years.
Has the CVT been serviced?
**If Subaru says it has to be serviced, then my mechanic will have done so.
AFAIK Subaru say that it doesn't need to be serviced but the reason
for most CVT failures is contaminated oil due to lack of servicing, if
it were mine I'd be servicing the CVT.
**I'll ask my mechanic, as he will have seen many Subarus fitted with
CVTs. When speaking with him, he has never mentioned any particular
issues with Subarus in general and my car in particular. My Levorg has
been utterly reliable over the past 8 years. As I would expect, since it
has only done 47,000km.
On 3/8/2025 10:09 am, Noddy wrote:
Same with the Sorento. I wasn't keen in the idea of it being a DSG at
first as some of the earlier ones had issues, but this one is
excellent and goes a long way to the thing getting quite outstanding
fuel economy.
The Golf's economy is brilliant and I think that that has a lot to do
with the 7speed DSG, my wife regularly gets more than 700km out of 45lts with general running around, best was 850km on a long trip with a couple
of litres left in the 50lt tank.
I wouldn't have a CVT if you gave me one for free.When we bough the WRX in 2015 we test drive a manual and a CVT auto, car seemed lifeless with theCVT although there isn't a big difference in
0-100 times, both were new cars and Subbies loosen up a lot when they
have done a few kms so maybe the CVT would get better but it wasn't what
we wanted.
Other CVT's I've driven were a Nissan Xtrail and a Subaru Forester, the Forester was pretty good, the Nissan was woeful.
On 3/8/2025 10:09 am, Noddy wrote:
On 2/08/2025 11:29 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 8:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the
FWD has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L
engine, but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K.
Then there was the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at
$50K, but only has a not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look
a bit weird, also had a DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but,
historically, they haven't been the most reliable.
I'd have a DSG over a CVT any day, the one in my wifes Golf has its
quirks but its been very reliable.
Same with the Sorento. I wasn't keen in the idea of it being a DSG at
first as some of the earlier ones had issues, but this one is
excellent and goes a long way to the thing getting quite outstanding
fuel economy.
The Golf's economy is brilliant and I think that that has a lot to do
with the 7speed DSG, my wife regularly gets more than 700km out of 45lts with general running around, best was 850km on a long trip with a couple
of litres left in the 50lt tank.
When we bough the WRX in 2015 we test drive a manual and a CVT auto, car seemed lifeless with theCVT although there isn't a big difference in
I wouldn't have a CVT if you gave me one for free.
0-100 times, both were new cars and Subbies loosen up a lot when they
have done a few kms so maybe the CVT would get better but it wasn't what
we wanted.
Other CVT's I've driven were a Nissan Xtrail and a Subaru Forester, the Forester was pretty good, the Nissan was woeful.
On 3/8/2025 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/08/2025 8:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/08/2025 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 2/08/2025 9:55 am, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
Keith makes a fair point. *None* of them are attractive vehicles, >>>>>> and you don't see the outside when you're driving it. I haven't
sat in a Tasman yet but they look to be pretty nice, and if it's
anything like our Sorento it will be a well equipped, comfortable >>>>>> and capable vehicle.
But at 77 grand for their top spec model that pits it directly
against the Ranger Platinum which for that money has a 6 cylinder >>>>>> engine, a couple of extra gears, built in tow kit, electric roll
top for the tub, adjustable cargo rack system and a few other bits >>>>>> & pieces that make it a *much* better buy for the money and a more >>>>>> capable vehicle.
That's were their marketing/business model doesn't seem to make
sense, its unusual way of introducing a new vehicle range.>
It's high risk, that's for sure. If it were me I'd be pricing it far
more competitively to get people interested and *then* boosting the
price after a few years once it had established itself. But to
charge in head long with an "out there" styled vehicle that is as
expensive, if not dearer, than the established market leaders is an
incredibly bold move that could very easily blow up in your face.
Give it 6 months. If they start offering price discounts we'll know
that things aren't exactly going to plan....
It will be interesting to see how well the Tasman does. It's kinda >>>>>> in the same boat as the current Hyundai Santa Fe in that you
either love it or hate the sight of it. That's often a dangerous
path to go down commercially, and while it currently seems to be
working for Hyundai it may not necessarily do for Kia.
I'm not a fan of the looks of the Santa Fe, I wouldn't say that I
hate it but I certainly don't like it.
I think it looks quirky. Like you I don't hate it, but it's an odd
looking thing. And I fucking *hate* all these new semi gloss paint
finishes. I'm fucked if I'd pay 80 grand for a car that looks like
it's been painted with a rattle can :)
Having said that, the fit and finish on the new Santa Fe is superb,
and the interior has a *very* high end feel to it. The wife loves it
and we tested one when we were looking for a new car not that long
ago. *Very* nice interior on the top end "Calligraphy" model, but
the main thing that turned both of us off it was the fact that it
was only available as a small petrol turbo hybrid which, went okay
when the battery was charged but was less than stellar when it wasn't. >>>>
The Kia dealer was right next door and we drove the Sorento and
decided that was a better buy in the Diesel.
We're looking at a new car probably in a couple of months time, the
Maz-3 is 9 years old, although it is a perfectly good car, nothing
wrong with it and very economical for a 2.5L. the wife, however, has
some mobility problems and would like something higher riding and
easier to get in and out of.
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the FWD
has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L
engine, but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K. Then
there was the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at $50K,
but only has a not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look a bit
weird, also had a DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but,
historically, they haven't been the most reliable.
Then I started reading a bit about hybrids in the real world. The
reckoning seems to be that they make the biggest difference if you
live in a city with lots of stop start driving, not much saving on
the highway, no braking to recharge the battery. A RAV4 owner that I
know reckons that he gets in the high 5s rather that the 4.1 that
Toyota claim.
The current leader is the CX-5, you can get the Akira with all the
bells and whistles for $2K more than the similarly equipped Kona, and
$4K less than the similar RAV4. It has an epicyclic gearbox and AWD,
the same engine as the Maz 3 so it's the devil I know. We're going
away soon so decision time will probably be October, it may come down
to what trade in is offered for the 3.
**Why don't you like the CVT box?
I've been driving my Subaru Levorg for almost 8 years.
Has the CVT been serviced?
AFAIK Subaru say that it doesn't need to be serviced but the reason for
most CVT failures is contaminated oil due to lack of servicing, if it
were mine I'd be servicing the CVT.
On 2/08/2025 11:29 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 8:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the FWD
has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L
engine, but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K. Then
there was the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at $50K,
but only has a not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look a bit
weird, also had a DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but,
historically, they haven't been the most reliable.
I'd have a DSG over a CVT any day, the one in my wifes Golf has its
quirks but its been very reliable.
Same with the Sorento. I wasn't keen in the idea of it being a DSG at
first as some of the earlier ones had issues, but this one is excellent
and goes a long way to the thing getting quite outstanding fuel economy.
I wouldn't have a CVT if you gave me one for free.
On 3/8/2025 5:47 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
For the relatively small cost of a CVT service it would be worth it just
**I'll ask my mechanic, as he will have seen many Subarus fitted with
CVTs. When speaking with him, he has never mentioned any particular
issues with Subarus in general and my car in particular. My Levorg has
been utterly reliable over the past 8 years. As I would expect, since
it has only done 47,000km.
for the peace of mind.
I couldn't find any CVT problems specific to the Levorg but quite a few problems with Outbacks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mebRMbXs3I&t=1317s&ab_channel=ReDriven
In general car manufacturers only care that a car last past the warranty expiry date which is why they have stupid extended oil change intervals
and no recommended servicing for things like CVT's, if you want any car
to last you need to service it much more frequently.
On 3/8/2025 10:09 am, Noddy wrote:
On 2/08/2025 11:29 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 8:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the
FWD has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L
engine, but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K.
Then there was the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at
$50K, but only has a not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look
a bit weird, also had a DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but,
historically, they haven't been the most reliable.
I'd have a DSG over a CVT any day, the one in my wifes Golf has its
quirks but its been very reliable.
Same with the Sorento. I wasn't keen in the idea of it being a DSG at
first as some of the earlier ones had issues, but this one is
excellent and goes a long way to the thing getting quite outstanding
fuel economy.
The Golf's economy is brilliant and I think that that has a lot to do
with the 7speed DSG, my wife regularly gets more than 700km out of 45lts with general running around, best was 850km on a long trip with a couple
of litres left in the 50lt tank.
When we bough the WRX in 2015 we test drive a manual and a CVT auto, car seemed lifeless with theCVT although there isn't a big difference in
I wouldn't have a CVT if you gave me one for free.
0-100 times, both were new cars and Subbies loosen up a lot when they
have done a few kms so maybe the CVT would get better but it wasn't what
we wanted.
Other CVT's I've driven were a Nissan Xtrail and a Subaru Forester, the Forester was pretty good, the Nissan was woeful.
On 3/8/2025 5:47 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 3/08/2025 4:54 pm, Daryl wrote:For the relatively small cost of a CVT service it would be worth it just
On 3/8/2025 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/08/2025 8:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/08/2025 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 2/08/2025 9:55 am, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
Keith makes a fair point. *None* of them are attractive
vehicles, and you don't see the outside when you're driving it. >>>>>>>> I haven't sat in a Tasman yet but they look to be pretty nice, >>>>>>>> and if it's anything like our Sorento it will be a well
equipped, comfortable and capable vehicle.
But at 77 grand for their top spec model that pits it directly >>>>>>>> against the Ranger Platinum which for that money has a 6
cylinder engine, a couple of extra gears, built in tow kit,
electric roll top for the tub, adjustable cargo rack system and >>>>>>>> a few other bits & pieces that make it a *much* better buy for >>>>>>>> the money and a more capable vehicle.
That's were their marketing/business model doesn't seem to make >>>>>>> sense, its unusual way of introducing a new vehicle range.>
It's high risk, that's for sure. If it were me I'd be pricing it
far more competitively to get people interested and *then*
boosting the price after a few years once it had established
itself. But to charge in head long with an "out there" styled
vehicle that is as expensive, if not dearer, than the established >>>>>> market leaders is an incredibly bold move that could very easily
blow up in your face.
Give it 6 months. If they start offering price discounts we'll
know that things aren't exactly going to plan....
It will be interesting to see how well the Tasman does. It'sI'm not a fan of the looks of the Santa Fe, I wouldn't say that I >>>>>>> hate it but I certainly don't like it.
kinda in the same boat as the current Hyundai Santa Fe in that >>>>>>>> you either love it or hate the sight of it. That's often a
dangerous path to go down commercially, and while it currently >>>>>>>> seems to be working for Hyundai it may not necessarily do for Kia. >>>>>>>
I think it looks quirky. Like you I don't hate it, but it's an odd >>>>>> looking thing. And I fucking *hate* all these new semi gloss paint >>>>>> finishes. I'm fucked if I'd pay 80 grand for a car that looks like >>>>>> it's been painted with a rattle can :)
Having said that, the fit and finish on the new Santa Fe is
superb, and the interior has a *very* high end feel to it. The
wife loves it and we tested one when we were looking for a new car >>>>>> not that long ago. *Very* nice interior on the top end
"Calligraphy" model, but the main thing that turned both of us off >>>>>> it was the fact that it was only available as a small petrol turbo >>>>>> hybrid which, went okay when the battery was charged but was less >>>>>> than stellar when it wasn't.
The Kia dealer was right next door and we drove the Sorento and
decided that was a better buy in the Diesel.
We're looking at a new car probably in a couple of months time, the >>>>> Maz-3 is 9 years old, although it is a perfectly good car, nothing
wrong with it and very economical for a 2.5L. the wife, however,
has some mobility problems and would like something higher riding
and easier to get in and out of.
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla
Cross come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, >>>>> the FWD has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes
with a puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better,
2.5L engine, but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about
$50K. Then there was the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes
in at $50K, but only has a not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it
does look a bit weird, also had a DSG. Maybe they are OK these days >>>>> but, historically, they haven't been the most reliable.
Then I started reading a bit about hybrids in the real world. The
reckoning seems to be that they make the biggest difference if you
live in a city with lots of stop start driving, not much saving on
the highway, no braking to recharge the battery. A RAV4 owner that
I know reckons that he gets in the high 5s rather that the 4.1 that >>>>> Toyota claim.
The current leader is the CX-5, you can get the Akira with all the
bells and whistles for $2K more than the similarly equipped Kona,
and $4K less than the similar RAV4. It has an epicyclic gearbox and >>>>> AWD, the same engine as the Maz 3 so it's the devil I know. We're
going away soon so decision time will probably be October, it may
come down to what trade in is offered for the 3.
**Why don't you like the CVT box?
I've been driving my Subaru Levorg for almost 8 years.
Has the CVT been serviced?
**If Subaru says it has to be serviced, then my mechanic will have
done so.
AFAIK Subaru say that it doesn't need to be serviced but the reason
for most CVT failures is contaminated oil due to lack of servicing,
if it were mine I'd be servicing the CVT.
**I'll ask my mechanic, as he will have seen many Subarus fitted with
CVTs. When speaking with him, he has never mentioned any particular
issues with Subarus in general and my car in particular. My Levorg has
been utterly reliable over the past 8 years. As I would expect, since
it has only done 47,000km.
for the peace of mind.
I couldn't find any CVT problems specific to the Levorg but quite a few problems with Outbacks.
In general car manufacturers only care that a car last past the warranty expiry date which is why they have stupid extended oil change intervals
and no recommended servicing for things like CVT's, if you want any car
to last you need to service it much more frequently.
On 2/08/2025 8:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/08/2025 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
Having said that, the fit and finish on the new Santa Fe is superb,
and the interior has a *very* high end feel to it. The wife loves it
and we tested one when we were looking for a new car not that long
ago. *Very* nice interior on the top end "Calligraphy" model, but the
main thing that turned both of us off it was the fact that it was
only available as a small petrol turbo hybrid which, went okay when
the battery was charged but was less than stellar when it wasn't.
The Kia dealer was right next door and we drove the Sorento and
decided that was a better buy in the Diesel.
We're looking at a new car probably in a couple of months time, the
Maz-3 is 9 years old, although it is a perfectly good car, nothing
wrong with it and very economical for a 2.5L. the wife, however, has
some mobility problems and would like something higher riding and
easier to get in and out of.
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the FWD
has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L
engine, but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K. Then
there was the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at $50K, but
only has a not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look a bit
weird, also had a DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but, historically,
they haven't been the most reliable.
Then I started reading a bit about hybrids in the real world. The
reckoning seems to be that they make the biggest difference if you
live in a city with lots of stop start driving, not much saving on the
highway, no braking to recharge the battery. A RAV4 owner that I know
reckons that he gets in the high 5s rather that the 4.1 that Toyota
claim.
The current leader is the CX-5, you can get the Akira with all the
bells and whistles for $2K more than the similarly equipped Kona, and
$4K less than the similar RAV4. It has an epicyclic gearbox and AWD,
the same engine as the Maz 3 so it's the devil I know. We're going
away soon so decision time will probably be October, it may come down
to what trade in is offered for the 3.
There are some interesting options out there at the moment, and some of
them Chinese. They're forging ahead in leaps and bounds and offering
some outstandingly good value vehicles at the moment.
If you haven't done so already, then I recommend you watch some Youtube review videos. Particularly this guy:
https://www.carexpert.com.au/author/paul-maric
There are others around as well, but this guy sticks straight to the
facts without editorial and does fairly comprehensive reviews.
Avoid John Cadogan like the plague. He's a fucking idiot.
On 1/08/2025 6:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 1/08/2025 4:49 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 1/8/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:Comment seem to totally be about it's looks. Since a ute is supposedly
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
It is highly optimistic for something as ugly as the Tasman ute.
There can't be that many mug buyers around surely?
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but theyFor controversial styling, read *dates quickly*!
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
a utility vehicle, shouldn't judgement be on how well it fulfills it's
purpose?
It has no proven track record. Tradies aren't going to gamble on an
unknown - which is why tradies by vehicles with a proven track record
for reliability.
The poseur/weekend warrior/soccer mum market is what the ugly thing is really aimed at.
On 1/08/2025 6:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 1/08/2025 4:49 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 1/8/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:Comment seem to totally be about it's looks. Since a ute is supposedly
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders are
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
It is highly optimistic for something as ugly as the Tasman ute.
There can't be that many mug buyers around surely?
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but theyFor controversial styling, read *dates quickly*!
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
a utility vehicle, shouldn't judgement be on how well it fulfills it's
purpose?
It has no proven track record. Tradies aren't going to gamble on an
unknown - which is why tradies by vehicles with a proven track record
for reliability.
The poseur/weekend warrior/soccer mum market is what the ugly thing is really aimed at.
Dunno, I see quite a few BYD Sharks around, looks about as ugly as the Tasman to me, and a similar track record.
On 2/08/2025 8:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 2/08/2025 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
Having said that, the fit and finish on the new Santa Fe is superb,
and the interior has a *very* high end feel to it. The wife loves it
and we tested one when we were looking for a new car not that long
ago. *Very* nice interior on the top end "Calligraphy" model, but the
main thing that turned both of us off it was the fact that it was only
available as a small petrol turbo hybrid which, went okay when the
battery was charged but was less than stellar when it wasn't.
The Kia dealer was right next door and we drove the Sorento and
decided that was a better buy in the Diesel.
We're looking at a new car probably in a couple of months time, the
Maz-3 is 9 years old, although it is a perfectly good car, nothing wrong
with it and very economical for a 2.5L. the wife, however, has some
mobility problems and would like something higher riding and easier to
get in and out of.
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla Cross
come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, the FWD
has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes with a
puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better, 2.5L engine,
but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about $50K. Then there was
the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes in at $50K, but only has a
not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it does look a bit weird, also had a
DSG. Maybe they are OK these days but, historically, they haven't been
the most reliable.
Then I started reading a bit about hybrids in the real world. The
reckoning seems to be that they make the biggest difference if you live
in a city with lots of stop start driving, not much saving on the
highway, no braking to recharge the battery. A RAV4 owner that I know
reckons that he gets in the high 5s rather that the 4.1 that Toyota claim. >>
The current leader is the CX-5, you can get the Akira with all the bells
and whistles for $2K more than the similarly equipped Kona, and $4K less
than the similar RAV4. It has an epicyclic gearbox and AWD, the same
engine as the Maz 3 so it's the devil I know. We're going away soon so
decision time will probably be October, it may come down to what trade
in is offered for the 3.
There are some interesting options out there at the moment, and some of
them Chinese. They're forging ahead in leaps and bounds and offering
some outstandingly good value vehicles at the moment.
If you haven't done so already, then I recommend you watch some Youtube review videos. Particularly this guy:
https://www.carexpert.com.au/author/paul-maric
There are others around as well, but this guy sticks straight to the
facts without editorial and does fairly comprehensive reviews.
Avoid John Cadogan like the plague. He's a fucking idiot.
On 3/08/2025 4:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/8/2025 10:09 am, Noddy wrote:That's about 6.4L/100, the Mazda 3 long term average is 6.7L/100 2.5L running through an ordinary slush pump. If I drive up to the Sunshine
On 2/08/2025 11:29 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 2/8/2025 8:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
I set a figure of around $50K and started looking. The Corolla
Cross come in under that, but it has a CVT which I don't much like, >>>>> the FWD has a cheap torsion beam rear end, and the AWD only comes
with a puncture repair kit not a spare wheel. The RAV4 is better,
2.5L engine, but still a CVT, poverty pack +1 comes in at about
$50K. Then there was the Hyundai Kona, the top model hybrid comes
in at $50K, but only has a not very powerful 1.6L engine, and it
does look a bit weird, also had a DSG. Maybe they are OK these days >>>>> but, historically, they haven't been the most reliable.
I'd have a DSG over a CVT any day, the one in my wifes Golf has its
quirks but its been very reliable.
Same with the Sorento. I wasn't keen in the idea of it being a DSG at
first as some of the earlier ones had issues, but this one is
excellent and goes a long way to the thing getting quite outstanding
fuel economy.
The Golf's economy is brilliant and I think that that has a lot to do
with the 7speed DSG, my wife regularly gets more than 700km out of
45lts with general running around, best was 850km on a long trip with
a couple of litres left in the 50lt tank.
When we bough the WRX in 2015 we test drive a manual and a CVT auto,
I wouldn't have a CVT if you gave me one for free.
car seemed lifeless with theCVT although there isn't a big difference
in 0-100 times, both were new cars and Subbies loosen up a lot when
they have done a few kms so maybe the CVT would get better but it
wasn't what we wanted.
Other CVT's I've driven were a Nissan Xtrail and a Subaru Forester,
the Forester was pretty good, the Nissan was woeful.
Coast, 50 odd Km mostly at 110kph on the highway or 80kph on country
roads, it will get down to around 5.6L/100
On 3/08/2025 11:33 am, Clocky wrote:
On 1/08/2025 6:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:Dunno, I see quite a few BYD Sharks around, looks about as ugly as the Tasman to me, and a similar track record.
On 1/08/2025 4:49 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 1/8/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:Comment seem to totally be about it's looks. Since a ute is
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
are from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
It is highly optimistic for something as ugly as the Tasman ute.
There can't be that many mug buyers around surely?
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but theyFor controversial styling, read *dates quickly*!
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
supposedly a utility vehicle, shouldn't judgement be on how well it
fulfills it's purpose?
It has no proven track record. Tradies aren't going to gamble on an
unknown - which is why tradies by vehicles with a proven track record
for reliability.
The poseur/weekend warrior/soccer mum market is what the ugly thing is
really aimed at.
On 3/08/2025 11:33 am, Clocky wrote:
On 1/08/2025 6:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:Dunno, I see quite a few BYD Sharks around, looks about as ugly as the Tasman to me, and a similar track record.
On 1/08/2025 4:49 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 1/8/2025 3:46 pm, Daryl wrote:Comment seem to totally be about it's looks. Since a ute is
On 1/8/2025 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 1/08/2025 12:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:Seems that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those orders
https://tinyurl.com/mspn6fk9
Some people just gotta have the new thing on the block.
are from Kia dealers.
2500 isn't big numbers for a newly released vehicle.
It is highly optimistic for something as ugly as the Tasman ute.
There can't be that many mug buyers around surely?
I would get it if there was a significant price advantage but theyFor controversial styling, read *dates quickly*!
don't appear to much cheaper than the competition, "controversial
styling" isn't going to help sales.
supposedly a utility vehicle, shouldn't judgement be on how well it
fulfills it's purpose?
It has no proven track record. Tradies aren't going to gamble on an
unknown - which is why tradies by vehicles with a proven track record
for reliability.
The poseur/weekend warrior/soccer mum market is what the ugly thing is
really aimed at.
On 3/08/2025 9:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
Dunno, I see quite a few BYD Sharks around, looks about as ugly as the
Tasman to me, and a similar track record.
You sure your eyes are working properly? :)
As you say none of them are pretty, but the Tasman is in a league of
it's own when it comes to ugly.
On 3/08/2025 10:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 3/08/2025 9:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
Dunno, I see quite a few BYD Sharks around, looks about as ugly as
the Tasman to me, and a similar track record.
You sure your eyes are working properly? :)
As you say none of them are pretty, but the Tasman is in a league of
it's own when it comes to ugly.
Didnt take long. Seems Kia are already offering $2000 off the deposit
for a MY 26 bus. I think they will be pushing shit uphill, to be honest.
The Aus market is full of decent 4wd utes. And now being flooded with battery shit...that cant get up a 4wd track.-a Lots of well tried options available, for less money. If i was buying another 4wd, i'd be looking
at another Ranga. Winched my neighbor out of some slop a couple of weeks ago., did it easily. Wonder what a bar and winch for a tasman will cost? When it will be available?
I'd just let everyone else be the beta tester... :-D
On 7/08/2025 7:13 pm, lindsay wrote:
On 3/08/2025 10:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 3/08/2025 9:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
Dunno, I see quite a few BYD Sharks around, looks about as ugly as
the Tasman to me, and a similar track record.
You sure your eyes are working properly? :)
As you say none of them are pretty, but the Tasman is in a league of
it's own when it comes to ugly.
Didnt take long. Seems Kia are already offering $2000 off the deposit
for a MY 26 bus. I think they will be pushing shit uphill, to be honest.
Yeah, I think so as well. Perhaps the "2500 pre orders" story was a load
of tosh.
The Aus market is full of decent 4wd utes. And now being flooded with
battery shit...that cant get up a 4wd track.-a Lots of well tried
options available, for less money. If i was buying another 4wd, i'd be
looking at another Ranga. Winched my neighbor out of some slop a
couple of weeks ago., did it easily. Wonder what a bar and winch for a
tasman will cost? When it will be available?
I'd just let everyone else be the beta tester... :-D
Lol :)
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and it's *still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
On 7/8/2025 8:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 7/08/2025 7:13 pm, lindsay wrote:
On 3/08/2025 10:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 3/08/2025 9:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
Dunno, I see quite a few BYD Sharks around, looks about as ugly as
the Tasman to me, and a similar track record.
You sure your eyes are working properly? :)
As you say none of them are pretty, but the Tasman is in a league of
it's own when it comes to ugly.
Didnt take long. Seems Kia are already offering $2000 off the deposit
for a MY 26 bus. I think they will be pushing shit uphill, to be honest.
Yeah, I think so as well. Perhaps the "2500 pre orders" story was a
load of tosh.
According to Google there are 162 Kia dealers in Australia, if they each ordered 15 that's close to the 2500, no doubt there will be a few
genuine orders but very likely most are "stock".
That's what Kia are up against, its a mystery how they hope to compete against the very well established competition without any significant advantage such as a lower price.
The Aus market is full of decent 4wd utes. And now being flooded with
battery shit...that cant get up a 4wd track.-a Lots of well tried
options available, for less money. If i was buying another 4wd, i'd
be looking at another Ranga. Winched my neighbor out of some slop a
couple of weeks ago., did it easily. Wonder what a bar and winch for
a tasman will cost? When it will be available?
I'd just let everyone else be the beta tester... :-D
Lol :)
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and it's
*still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
On 7/08/2025 7:13 pm, lindsay wrote:
On 3/08/2025 10:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 3/08/2025 9:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
Dunno, I see quite a few BYD Sharks around, looks about as ugly as
the Tasman to me, and a similar track record.
You sure your eyes are working properly? :)
As you say none of them are pretty, but the Tasman is in a league of
it's own when it comes to ugly.
Didnt take long. Seems Kia are already offering $2000 off the deposit
for a MY 26 bus. I think they will be pushing shit uphill, to be honest.
Yeah, I think so as well. Perhaps the "2500 pre orders" story was a load
of tosh.
The Aus market is full of decent 4wd utes. And now being flooded with
battery shit...that cant get up a 4wd track.-a Lots of well tried
options available, for less money. If i was buying another 4wd, i'd be
looking at another Ranga. Winched my neighbor out of some slop a
couple of weeks ago., did it easily. Wonder what a bar and winch for a
tasman will cost? When it will be available?
I'd just let everyone else be the beta tester... :-D
Lol :)
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and it's *still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
On 7/8/2025 8:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 7/08/2025 7:13 pm, lindsay wrote:
Didnt take long. Seems Kia are already offering $2000 off the deposit
for a MY 26 bus. I think they will be pushing shit uphill, to be honest.
Yeah, I think so as well. Perhaps the "2500 pre orders" story was a
load of tosh.
According to Google there are 162 Kia dealers in Australia, if they each ordered 15 that's close to the 2500, no doubt there will be a few
genuine orders but very likely most are "stock".
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and it'sThat's what Kia are up against, its a mystery how they hope to compete against the very well established competition without any significant advantage such as a lower price.
*still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
If it comes to uglies, I give you the Jeep Gladiator. Saw one today
makes the Tasman look like an Aston.
https://media.drive.com.au/obj/tx_q:70,rs:auto:1280:720:1/driveau/ upload/cms/uploads/lfsfpe2m2ory0avyk9w9
On 7/08/2025 9:35 pm, keithr0 wrote:
If it comes to uglies, I give you the Jeep Gladiator. Saw one today
makes the Tasman look like an Aston.
https://media.drive.com.au/obj/tx_q:70,rs:auto:1280:720:1/driveau/
upload/cms/uploads/lfsfpe2m2ory0avyk9w9
There's something wrong with you Keith. It's certainly not pretty, but
it doesn't come close to "Tasman ugly", let alone make the Tasman look "Aston" like :)
On 7/08/2025 8:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 7/08/2025 7:13 pm, lindsay wrote:
On 3/08/2025 10:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 3/08/2025 9:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
Dunno, I see quite a few BYD Sharks around, looks about as ugly as
the Tasman to me, and a similar track record.
You sure your eyes are working properly? :)
As you say none of them are pretty, but the Tasman is in a league of
it's own when it comes to ugly.
Didnt take long. Seems Kia are already offering $2000 off the deposit
for a MY 26 bus. I think they will be pushing shit uphill, to be honest.
Yeah, I think so as well. Perhaps the "2500 pre orders" story was a
load of tosh.
The Aus market is full of decent 4wd utes. And now being flooded with
battery shit...that cant get up a 4wd track.-a Lots of well tried
options available, for less money. If i was buying another 4wd, i'd
be looking at another Ranga. Winched my neighbor out of some slop a
couple of weeks ago., did it easily. Wonder what a bar and winch for
a tasman will cost? When it will be available?
I'd just let everyone else be the beta tester... :-D
Lol :)
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and it's
*still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
If it comes to uglies, I give you the Jeep Gladiator. Saw one today
makes the Tasman look like an Aston.
https://media.drive.com.au/obj/tx_q:70,rs:auto:1280:720:1/driveau/ upload/cms/uploads/lfsfpe2m2ory0avyk9w9
On 7/08/2025 8:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 7/8/2025 8:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 7/08/2025 7:13 pm, lindsay wrote:
Didnt take long. Seems Kia are already offering $2000 off the
deposit for a MY 26 bus. I think they will be pushing shit uphill,
to be honest.
Yeah, I think so as well. Perhaps the "2500 pre orders" story was a
load of tosh.
According to Google there are 162 Kia dealers in Australia, if they
each ordered 15 that's close to the 2500, no doubt there will be a few
genuine orders but very likely most are "stock".
Assuming the 2500 figure is accurate of course, and that figure would
have come from Kia themselves who are no doubt blowing a little bit of
smoke up their own arse. Had the Sorento serviced a couple of weeks ago
and looked at a Tasman while I was there, and the local dealer had 4 or
5 of them. 15 would be a lot of stock to carry.
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and it'sThat's what Kia are up against, its a mystery how they hope to compete
*still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
against the very well established competition without any significant
advantage such as a lower price.
Yeah, I'm not getting it. Makes little sense. Especially in light of the fact that it offers no advantage over anything else other than being exceptionally ugly.
On 7/8/2025 9:35 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 7/08/2025 8:35 pm, Noddy wrote:Certainly not pretty, its a matter of opinion which one is worse.
On 7/08/2025 7:13 pm, lindsay wrote:
On 3/08/2025 10:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 3/08/2025 9:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
Dunno, I see quite a few BYD Sharks around, looks about as ugly as >>>>>> the Tasman to me, and a similar track record.
You sure your eyes are working properly? :)
As you say none of them are pretty, but the Tasman is in a league
of it's own when it comes to ugly.
Didnt take long. Seems Kia are already offering $2000 off the
deposit for a MY 26 bus. I think they will be pushing shit uphill,
to be honest.
Yeah, I think so as well. Perhaps the "2500 pre orders" story was a
load of tosh.
The Aus market is full of decent 4wd utes. And now being flooded
with battery shit...that cant get up a 4wd track.-a Lots of well
tried options available, for less money. If i was buying another
4wd, i'd be looking at another Ranga. Winched my neighbor out of
some slop a couple of weeks ago., did it easily. Wonder what a bar
and winch for a tasman will cost? When it will be available?
I'd just let everyone else be the beta tester... :-D
Lol :)
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and it's
*still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
If it comes to uglies, I give you the Jeep Gladiator. Saw one today
makes the Tasman look like an Aston.
https://media.drive.com.au/obj/tx_q:70,rs:auto:1280:720:1/driveau/
upload/cms/uploads/lfsfpe2m2ory0avyk9w9
On 8/8/2025 8:04 am, Noddy wrote:
Assuming the 2500 figure is accurate of course, and that figure would
have come from Kia themselves who are no doubt blowing a little bit of
smoke up their own arse. Had the Sorento serviced a couple of weeks
ago and looked at a Tasman while I was there, and the local dealer had
4 or 5 of them. 15 would be a lot of stock to carry.
Especially for a new ute with an unknown record for sales.
Time will tell, maybe Kia knows something that the rest of us don't.2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems andThat's what Kia are up against, its a mystery how they hope to
it's *still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
compete against the very well established competition without any
significant advantage such as a lower price.
Yeah, I'm not getting it. Makes little sense. Especially in light of
the fact that it offers no advantage over anything else other than
being exceptionally ugly.
On 8/08/2025 8:07 am, Noddy wrote:
On 7/08/2025 9:35 pm, keithr0 wrote:
If it comes to uglies, I give you the Jeep Gladiator. Saw one today
makes the Tasman look like an Aston.
https://media.drive.com.au/obj/tx_q:70,rs:auto:1280:720:1/driveau/
upload/cms/uploads/lfsfpe2m2ory0avyk9w9
There's something wrong with you Keith. It's certainly not pretty, but
it doesn't come close to "Tasman ugly", let alone make the Tasman look
"Aston" like :)
Eye of the beholder I suppose.
On 8/08/2025 10:26 am, Daryl wrote:
On 7/8/2025 9:35 pm, keithr0 wrote:The doors on the Jeep really get me, it looks like they were glued on as
On 7/08/2025 8:35 pm, Noddy wrote:Certainly not pretty, its a matter of opinion which one is worse.
On 7/08/2025 7:13 pm, lindsay wrote:
On 3/08/2025 10:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 3/08/2025 9:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
Dunno, I see quite a few BYD Sharks around, looks about as ugly >>>>>>> as the Tasman to me, and a similar track record.
You sure your eyes are working properly? :)
As you say none of them are pretty, but the Tasman is in a league >>>>>> of it's own when it comes to ugly.
Didnt take long. Seems Kia are already offering $2000 off the
deposit for a MY 26 bus. I think they will be pushing shit uphill,
to be honest.
Yeah, I think so as well. Perhaps the "2500 pre orders" story was a
load of tosh.
The Aus market is full of decent 4wd utes. And now being flooded
with battery shit...that cant get up a 4wd track.-a Lots of well
tried options available, for less money. If i was buying another
4wd, i'd be looking at another Ranga. Winched my neighbor out of
some slop a couple of weeks ago., did it easily. Wonder what a bar
and winch for a tasman will cost? When it will be available?
I'd just let everyone else be the beta tester... :-D
Lol :)
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and
it's *still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
If it comes to uglies, I give you the Jeep Gladiator. Saw one today
makes the Tasman look like an Aston.
https://media.drive.com.au/obj/tx_q:70,rs:auto:1280:720:1/driveau/
upload/cms/uploads/lfsfpe2m2ory0avyk9w9
an afterthought.
On 8/08/2025 10:29 am, Daryl wrote:
On 8/8/2025 8:04 am, Noddy wrote:
Assuming the 2500 figure is accurate of course, and that figure would
have come from Kia themselves who are no doubt blowing a little bit
of smoke up their own arse. Had the Sorento serviced a couple of
weeks ago and looked at a Tasman while I was there, and the local
dealer had 4 or 5 of them. 15 would be a lot of stock to carry.
Especially for a new ute with an unknown record for sales.
Absolutely.
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and
it's *still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
Time will tell, maybe Kia knows something that the rest of us don't.That's what Kia are up against, its a mystery how they hope to
compete against the very well established competition without any
significant advantage such as a lower price.
Yeah, I'm not getting it. Makes little sense. Especially in light of
the fact that it offers no advantage over anything else other than
being exceptionally ugly.
Fucked if I know. They're playing an interesting game, that's for sure.
On 8/08/2025 8:07 am, Noddy wrote:
On 7/08/2025 9:35 pm, keithr0 wrote:
If it comes to uglies, I give you the Jeep Gladiator. Saw one today
makes the Tasman look like an Aston.
https://media.drive.com.au/obj/tx_q:70,rs:auto:1280:720:1/driveau/
upload/cms/uploads/lfsfpe2m2ory0avyk9w9
There's something wrong with you Keith. It's certainly not pretty, but
it doesn't come close to "Tasman ugly", let alone make the Tasman look
"Aston" like :)
Eye of the beholder I suppose.
On 8/08/2025 2:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 8/08/2025 10:29 am, Daryl wrote:
On 8/8/2025 8:04 am, Noddy wrote:
Assuming the 2500 figure is accurate of course, and that figure
would have come from Kia themselves who are no doubt blowing a
little bit of smoke up their own arse. Had the Sorento serviced a
couple of weeks ago and looked at a Tasman while I was there, and
the local dealer had 4 or 5 of them. 15 would be a lot of stock to
carry.
Especially for a new ute with an unknown record for sales.
Absolutely.
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and
it's *still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
Old mate is selling his 2wd ranga after a flawless 4 years and
130,000klms. Moving to a more family orientated option. I simply couldnt
do without mine. Cab chassis works so well. One of my generators decided
to shit itself (Westinghouse 4500i) getting a bit heavy for me to lift
into the back of the ute by myself, so out comes Donald the tractor,
with forks and a sling! So fucking easy! Generator is on it's way to Qld.
Time will tell, maybe Kia knows something that the rest of us don't.That's what Kia are up against, its a mystery how they hope to
compete against the very well established competition without any
significant advantage such as a lower price.
Yeah, I'm not getting it. Makes little sense. Especially in light of
the fact that it offers no advantage over anything else other than
being exceptionally ugly.
Fucked if I know. They're playing an interesting game, that's for sure.
If some of the comments on their facebook pages are anything to go by,
they now know that they have created the ugliest thing since Julair
Gillard. Or the AU Falcon.
Surely they did a taste test before releasing the design? Maybe they are praying that all the aussie sportspeople who did the ads will drag it
out of the mire it looks (!) to be in. As Keith? said, it looks like
they added the headlights as an afterthought.... A deformed hummer?
I dont think any of the current breed of 4wd utes are pretty, seems like they are all much of a muchness, Ranger, Hilux, Triton, Dmax, but gee,
Kia designers can go hot and cold.. Stinger is/was? gorgeous, and at the other end of the scale? ---> Tasman. Bluuugh...
On 8/08/2025 2:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 8/08/2025 10:29 am, Daryl wrote:
On 8/8/2025 8:04 am, Noddy wrote:
Assuming the 2500 figure is accurate of course, and that figure
would have come from Kia themselves who are no doubt blowing a
little bit of smoke up their own arse. Had the Sorento serviced a
couple of weeks ago and looked at a Tasman while I was there, and
the local dealer had 4 or 5 of them. 15 would be a lot of stock to
carry.
Especially for a new ute with an unknown record for sales.
Absolutely.
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and
it's *still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
Old mate is selling his 2wd ranga after a flawless 4 years and
130,000klms.
do without mine. Cab chassis works so well. One of my generators decided
to shit itself (Westinghouse 4500i) getting a bit heavy for me to lift
into the back of the ute by myself, so out comes Donald the tractor,
with forks and a sling! So fucking easy! Generator is on it's way to Qld.
Time will tell, maybe Kia knows something that the rest of us don't.That's what Kia are up against, its a mystery how they hope to
compete against the very well established competition without any
significant advantage such as a lower price.
Yeah, I'm not getting it. Makes little sense. Especially in light of
the fact that it offers no advantage over anything else other than
being exceptionally ugly.
Fucked if I know. They're playing an interesting game, that's for sure.
If some of the comments on their facebook pages are anything to go by,
they now know that they have created the ugliest thing since Julair
Gillard. Or the AU Falcon.
Surely they did a taste test before releasing the design? Maybe they are praying that all the aussie sportspeople who did the ads will drag it
out of the mire it looks (!) to be in. As Keith? said, it looks like
they added the headlights as an afterthought.... A deformed hummer?
I dont think any of the current breed of 4wd utes are pretty, seems like they are all much of a muchness, Ranger, Hilux, Triton, Dmax, but gee,
Kia designers can go hot and cold.. Stinger is/was? gorgeous, and at the other end of the scale? ---> Tasman. Bluuugh...
On 8/08/2025 2:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and
it's *still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
Old mate is selling his 2wd ranga after a flawless 4 years and
130,000klms. Moving to a more family orientated option. I simply couldnt
do without mine. Cab chassis works so well. One of my generators decided
to shit itself (Westinghouse 4500i) getting a bit heavy for me to lift
into the back of the ute by myself, so out comes Donald the tractor,
with forks and a sling! So fucking easy! Generator is on it's way to Qld.
Time will tell, maybe Kia knows something that the rest of us don't.
Fucked if I know. They're playing an interesting game, that's for sure.
If some of the comments on their facebook pages are anything to go by,
they now know that they have created the ugliest thing since Julair
Gillard. Or the AU Falcon.
Surely they did a taste test before releasing the design? Maybe they are praying that all the aussie sportspeople who did the ads will drag it
out of the mire it looks (!) to be in. As Keith? said, it looks like
they added the headlights as an afterthought.... A deformed hummer?
I dont think any of the current breed of 4wd utes are pretty, seems like they are all much of a muchness, Ranger, Hilux, Triton, Dmax, but gee,
Kia designers can go hot and cold.. Stinger is/was? gorgeous, and at the other end of the scale? ---> Tasman. Bluuugh...
On 8/8/2025 7:00 pm, lindsay wrote:
I dont think any of the current breed of 4wd utes are pretty, seemsThe car world can be rather odd at times, despite the Stinger being very well regarded I don't think Kia would consider it to be a sales success, AFAIK they didn't sell in huge numbers, its sales hurt by the worlds SUV fetish.
like they are all much of a muchness, Ranger, Hilux, Triton, Dmax, but
gee, Kia designers can go hot and cold.. Stinger is/was? gorgeous, and
at the other end of the scale? ---> Tasman. Bluuugh...
Just to confuse us all the Tasman may sell well despite its looks
although I think that many people at Kia have their fingers crossed and
are holding their breath right now.
On 8/08/2025 7:00 pm, lindsay wrote:
On 8/08/2025 2:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and >>>>>>> it's *still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
Old mate is selling his 2wd ranga after a flawless 4 years and
130,000klms. Moving to a more family orientated option. I simply couldnt
do without mine. Cab chassis works so well. One of my generators decided
to shit itself (Westinghouse 4500i) getting a bit heavy for me to lift
into the back of the ute by myself, so out comes Donald the tractor,
with forks and a sling! So fucking easy! Generator is on it's way to Qld.
Nice.
Time will tell, maybe Kia knows something that the rest of us don't.
Fucked if I know. They're playing an interesting game, that's for sure.
If some of the comments on their facebook pages are anything to go by,
they now know that they have created the ugliest thing since Julair
Gillard. Or the AU Falcon.
Lol :) The AU wasn't that ugly :)
Surely they did a taste test before releasing the design? Maybe they are
praying that all the aussie sportspeople who did the ads will drag it
out of the mire it looks (!) to be in. As Keith? said, it looks like
they added the headlights as an afterthought.... A deformed hummer?
I'm fucked if I know.I watched a video the other night where it was
claimed that the design was deliberately picked from a bunch of more contemporary suggestions because of it's stand out features. The
rationale seems to be that the Oz ute market is saturated with more mainstream offerings so they're looking to make their mark with
something that really stands out from the rest.
It certainly does that, but still. I think it needs to be considerably
more price competitive to lure people away from things like Rangers and Hiluxes.
I dont think any of the current breed of 4wd utes are pretty, seems like
they are all much of a muchness, Ranger, Hilux, Triton, Dmax, but gee,
Kia designers can go hot and cold.. Stinger is/was? gorgeous, and at the
other end of the scale? ---> Tasman. Bluuugh...
It's out there, that's for sure.
Kia is a little bit funny. I mean, they're largely owned by Hyundai and share mechanical platforms across most of their models, but Kia have
always had an "edge" with their styling over their Hyundai counterparts which have always been far more conservative. Well, they did until relatively recently when Hyundai brought out the current Santa Fe which knocked the conservative styling history out of the park :)
Now things have changed with Kia being the more conservatively styled vehicle. We have a current model Sorento GT line which looks like any
other 7 seat box on wheels. Interior styling is plush and sets it apart
from other things like the Ford Everest which looks cheap and nasty by comparison, and it has a great mechanical package that drives really
well. Same engine as in the Tasman ute apparently.
I wasn't able to get inside a Tasman ute when I was last at the local dealership as they were all locked and I wasn't interested enough to
chase a sales droid and put up with their bullshit just to sit inside
one, but from what I could tell the interior layout and fit & finish was very similar to the Sorento which itself is fairly high end. With the
same engine and a decent driveline it *should* be a fairly decent vehicle.
It's just a shame that it's as ugly as one of Mike Tyson's turds.
On 8/08/2025 2:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 8/08/2025 10:29 am, Daryl wrote:
On 8/8/2025 8:04 am, Noddy wrote:
Assuming the 2500 figure is accurate of course, and that figure
would have come from Kia themselves who are no doubt blowing a
little bit of smoke up their own arse. Had the Sorento serviced a
couple of weeks ago and looked at a Tasman while I was there, and
the local dealer had 4 or 5 of them. 15 would be a lot of stock to
carry.
Especially for a new ute with an unknown record for sales.
Absolutely.
2 years in on the V6 Ranger and still love it. Zero problems and
it's *still* the best ute on the market in my opinion.
Old mate is selling his 2wd ranga after a flawless 4 years and
130,000klms. Moving to a more family orientated option. I simply couldnt
do without mine. Cab chassis works so well. One of my generators decided
to shit itself (Westinghouse 4500i) getting a bit heavy for me to lift
into the back of the ute by myself, so out comes Donald the tractor,
with forks and a sling! So fucking easy! Generator is on it's way to Qld.
Time will tell, maybe Kia knows something that the rest of us don't.That's what Kia are up against, its a mystery how they hope to
compete against the very well established competition without any
significant advantage such as a lower price.
Yeah, I'm not getting it. Makes little sense. Especially in light of
the fact that it offers no advantage over anything else other than
being exceptionally ugly.
Fucked if I know. They're playing an interesting game, that's for sure.
If some of the comments on their facebook pages are anything to go by,
they now know that they have created the ugliest thing since Julair
Gillard. Or the AU Falcon.
Surely they did a taste test before releasing the design? Maybe they are praying that all the aussie sportspeople who did the ads will drag it
out of the mire it looks (!) to be in. As Keith? said, it looks like
they added the headlights as an afterthought.... A deformed hummer?
I dont think any of the current breed of 4wd utes are pretty, seems like they are all much of a muchness, Ranger, Hilux, Triton, Dmax, but gee,
Kia designers can go hot and cold.. Stinger is/was? gorgeous, and at the other end of the scale? ---> Tasman. Bluuugh...
On 8/08/2025 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 8/8/2025 7:00 pm, lindsay wrote:
I dont think any of the current breed of 4wd utes are pretty, seemsThe car world can be rather odd at times, despite the Stinger being
like they are all much of a muchness, Ranger, Hilux, Triton, Dmax,
but gee, Kia designers can go hot and cold.. Stinger is/was?
gorgeous, and at the other end of the scale? ---> Tasman. Bluuugh...
very well regarded I don't think Kia would consider it to be a sales
success, AFAIK they didn't sell in huge numbers, its sales hurt by the
worlds SUV fetish.
Yeah, it's a shame. The Stinger was great and was probably the best
value performance sedan under a hundred grand on the market.
Just to confuse us all the Tasman may sell well despite its looks
although I think that many people at Kia have their fingers crossed
and are holding their breath right now.
It would need to be an *exceptionally* capable vehicle to get near the Ranger, Hilux and Dmax when it comes to sales, and I'm not sure it has enough to get there. The Dmax maybe, as that's a bit of an agricultural
wind bag, but the Ranger and Hilux are very strong in the market.
Especially the V6 Ranger. But yeah, Kia are playing an interesting game
with this thing. Either they know something we don't, or have totally underestimated the market and will fall flat on their face with a
vehicle nobody wants.
In a way I kind of see it as being similar to the current Volkswagen
Amarok. The current Amarok is little more than a rebadged Ford Ranger,
and despite them having been available for a couple of years now I'm yet
to see one in the flesh while I see Ford Rangers on a daily basis.
Perhaps Volkswagen fucked up in thinking that people would be willing to
pay 15% more on average for the same car with "VW" badges on it.
Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
On 8/08/2025 7:00 pm, lindsay wrote:
I wasn't able to get inside a Tasman ute when I was last at the local
dealership as they were all locked and I wasn't interested enough to
chase a sales droid and put up with their bullshit just to sit inside
one, but from what I could tell the interior layout and fit & finish was
very similar to the Sorento which itself is fairly high end. With the
same engine and a decent driveline it *should* be a fairly decent vehicle. >>
It's just a shame that it's as ugly as one of Mike Tyson's turds.
How in hell would you know what Mike TysonrCOs turds look like? Nah, donrCOt want to know. You were probably looking into a mirror and saw your own reflection!
The car world can be rather odd at times, despite the Stinger being very well regarded I don't think Kia would consider it to be a sales success, AFAIK they didn't sell in huge numbers, its sales hurt by the worlds SUV fetish.
On 08-Aug-25 7:00 PM, lindsay wrote:
Fucked if I know. They're playing an interesting game, that's for sure.
If some of the comments on their facebook pages are anything to go by,
they now know that they have created the ugliest thing since Julair
Gillard. Or the AU Falcon.
Surely they did a taste test before releasing the design? Maybe they
are praying that all the aussie sportspeople who did the ads will drag
it out of the mire it looks (!) to be in. As Keith? said, it looks
like they added the headlights as an afterthought.... A deformed hummer?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That was my comment!.
On 8/08/2025 5:00 pm, lindsay wrote:
If some of the comments on their facebook pages are anything to go by,
they now know that they have created the ugliest thing since Julair
Gillard. Or the AU Falcon.
Surely they did a taste test before releasing the design? Maybe they
are praying that all the aussie sportspeople who did the ads will drag
it out of the mire it looks (!) to be in. As Keith? said, it looks
like they added the headlights as an afterthought.... A deformed hummer?
All modern styling leaves a lot to be desired. Looks like Ssanyong were
way ahead of their time with their bizarre and hideous styling in the
past - and ironically they have now gone more conventional and the Japs/ Koreans are making the fugly cars.
I dont think any of the current breed of 4wd utes are pretty, seems
like they are all much of a muchness, Ranger, Hilux, Triton, Dmax, but
gee, Kia designers can go hot and cold.. Stinger is/was? gorgeous, and
at the other end of the scale? ---> Tasman. Bluuugh...
I thought the Stinger looked good from certain angles but a bit cheap
'n' nasty from others. A bit like the Mustang in that regard.
But yeah the Tasman is next level ugly and with no proven track record
for reliability (and Kia/Hyundai have had some engine issues with other models so it had better be uber reliable or it's going to be pretty much DOA) it's going to be a hard sell.
I can see them being heavily discounted before long just to shift some units.
On 8/08/2025 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
The car world can be rather odd at times, despite the Stinger being
very well regarded I don't think Kia would consider it to be a sales
success, AFAIK they didn't sell in huge numbers, its sales hurt by the
worlds SUV fetish.
I'd have a Stinger in a heatbeat, but, unfortunately, it doesn't meet my practical needs even if it were still available. I see a fair few around here and the QLD police use them as highway patrol cars.
I think that the SUV trend, and the idea of a dual cab ute being an
ideal family car, are just following yank trends, pushed in part by the manufacturers trying to extract a few more dollars from the punters.
On 8/8/2025 11:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
In a way I kind of see it as being similar to the current VolkswagenOr a Navara with a Mercedes badge, some marketing clowns need a very big foot up the arse.
Amarok. The current Amarok is little more than a rebadged Ford Ranger,
and despite them having been available for a couple of years now I'm
yet to see one in the flesh while I see Ford Rangers on a daily basis.
Perhaps Volkswagen fucked up in thinking that people would be willing
to pay 15% more on average for the same car with "VW" badges on it.
On 8/08/2025 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
The car world can be rather odd at times, despite the Stinger being
very well regarded I don't think Kia would consider it to be a sales
success, AFAIK they didn't sell in huge numbers, its sales hurt by the
worlds SUV fetish.
I'd have a Stinger in a heatbeat, but, unfortunately, it doesn't meet my practical needs even if it were still available. I see a fair few around here and the QLD police use them as highway patrol cars.
I think that the SUV trend, and the idea of a dual cab ute being an
ideal family car, are just following yank trends, pushed in part by the manufacturers trying to extract a few more dollars from the punters.
On 9/08/2025 2:01 pm, jonz wrote:
On 08-Aug-25 7:00 PM, lindsay wrote:
Fucked if I know. They're playing an interesting game, that's for sure. >>>If some of the comments on their facebook pages are anything to go
by, they now know that they have created the ugliest thing since
Julair Gillard. Or the AU Falcon.
Surely they did a taste test before releasing the design? Maybe they
are praying that all the aussie sportspeople who did the ads will
drag it out of the mire it looks (!) to be in. As Keith? said, it
looks like they added the headlights as an afterthought.... A
deformed hummer?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That was my comment!.
Hence the ? after Keith's name. Soz.
On 9/08/2025 4:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 8/08/2025 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
The car world can be rather odd at times, despite the Stinger being
very well regarded I don't think Kia would consider it to be a sales
success, AFAIK they didn't sell in huge numbers, its sales hurt by
the worlds SUV fetish.
I'd have a Stinger in a heatbeat, but, unfortunately, it doesn't meet
my practical needs even if it were still available. I see a fair few
around here and the QLD police use them as highway patrol cars.
What exactly are your needs?
I think that the SUV trend, and the idea of a dual cab ute being an
ideal family car, are just following yank trends, pushed in part by
the manufacturers trying to extract a few more dollars from the punters.
Uh-huh. People preferring a vehicle that they find far more practical
than a sedan has nothing to do with it at all. Right?
Sometimes I think you live in a bubble....
On 9/08/2025 9:42 pm, Noddy wrote:
I'd have a Stinger in a heatbeat, but, unfortunately, it doesn't meet
my practical needs even if it were still available. I see a fair few
around here and the QLD police use them as highway patrol cars.
What exactly are your needs?
Not exactly mine but SWMBO has some mobility problems, and would like a
car that's a bit higher off the ground as she finds it easier to get
into her friends Outback.
I think that the SUV trend, and the idea of a dual cab ute being an
ideal family car, are just following yank trends, pushed in part by
the manufacturers trying to extract a few more dollars from the punters.
Uh-huh. People preferring a vehicle that they find far more practical
than a sedan has nothing to do with it at all. Right?
Err there used to be vehicles called "Station wagons", they did much the same job as an SUV but, not being on stilts, drove the better for it.
As for a ute being a good choice as a family vehicle, I've yet to hear a good argument to back that up.
Sometimes I think you live in a bubble....
Everybody lives in their own bubble, including yourself.
On 10/08/2025 9:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 9/08/2025 9:42 pm, Noddy wrote:
I'd have a Stinger in a heatbeat, but, unfortunately, it doesn't
meet my practical needs even if it were still available. I see a
fair few around here and the QLD police use them as highway patrol
cars.
What exactly are your needs?
Not exactly mine but SWMBO has some mobility problems, and would like
a car that's a bit higher off the ground as she finds it easier to get
into her friends Outback.
There's plenty of choices out there without needing to move into the
"Land Cruiser" market segment. Sounds like you have some test driving to
do.
I think that the SUV trend, and the idea of a dual cab ute being an
ideal family car, are just following yank trends, pushed in part by
the manufacturers trying to extract a few more dollars from the
punters.
Uh-huh. People preferring a vehicle that they find far more practical
than a sedan has nothing to do with it at all. Right?
Err there used to be vehicles called "Station wagons", they did much
the same job as an SUV but, not being on stilts, drove the better for it.
No, they didn't do the same job at all. They were more practical than a sedan, but their low roof line didn't suit everyone.
As for a ute being a good choice as a family vehicle, I've yet to hear
a good argument to back that up.
That's because you're not interested in listening :)
No one's saying that you have to drive one, but for many people they are
an extremely practical vehicle. Particularly for people like me who
never knows when I head out in the morning what kind of crap I'm going
to drag home. I'm yet to pick up something that wouldn't fit in the
back, but if I was driving a regular sedan or wagon I'd have no hope.
Sometimes I think you live in a bubble....
Everybody lives in their own bubble, including yourself.
The point, which seems completely lost on you, is that you were
suggesting that people by vehicles because advertising tells them to
which is utter nonsense. People buy whatever works for them, including
you, and the reason why dual cab utes and SUVs are the two most popular vehicle on the market today is because they're the two types of vehicle
that the majority find fits their needs the best.
It really is that simple, regardless of whatever nonsense you wish to believe....
Most private users, including you, buy dual cab utes for their poseur
value
and to compensate for a lack of endowment where it really counts.
On 11/08/2025 6:22 pm, Xeno wrote:
Most private users, including you, buy dual cab utes for their poseur
value
Pretty hard to be a poseur when there's so many of 'em on the road, dickhead.
On 11/8/2025 8:11 pm, lindsay wrote:
On 11/08/2025 6:22 pm, Xeno wrote:
Most private users, including you, buy dual cab utes for their poseur
value
Pretty hard to be a poseur when there's so many of 'em on the road,
dickhead.
As usual his post is ill informed, anyone who has ever been in business would have heard of fringe benefit tax, any light commercial with a load capacity greater than one tonne is exempt from FBT hence the popularity
of dual cab utes.
As well as that there are people who value the practicality of a DC ute, having owned 2 Hilux I get it and if I want to "pose" I wouldn't think
that driving a plain white RWD only diesel ute would be the vehicle to
do that in.
My Porsche Boxster or my black MB CLK coupe would be better options:-)
On 11/8/2025 8:11 pm, lindsay wrote:
On 11/08/2025 6:22 pm, Xeno wrote:
Most private users, including you, buy dual cab utes for their poseur
value
Pretty hard to be a poseur when there's so many of 'em on the road,
dickhead.
As usual his post is ill informed, anyone who has ever been in business would have heard of fringe benefit tax, any light commercial with a load capacity greater than one tonne is exempt from FBT hence the popularity
of dual cab utes.
As well as that there are people who value the practicality of a DC ute, having owned 2 Hilux I get it and if I want to "pose" I wouldn't think
that driving a plain white RWD only diesel ute would be the vehicle to
do that in.
My Porsche Boxster or my black MB CLK coupe would be better options:-)
On 12/08/2025 1:15 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 11/8/2025 8:11 pm, lindsay wrote:
On 11/08/2025 6:22 pm, Xeno wrote:
Most private users, including you, buy dual cab utes for their poseur >>>> value
Pretty hard to be a poseur when there's so many of 'em on the road,
dickhead.
As usual his post is ill informed, anyone who has ever been in business
would have heard of fringe benefit tax, any light commercial with a load
capacity greater than one tonne is exempt from FBT hence the popularity
of dual cab utes.
As well as that there are people who value the practicality of a DC ute,
having owned 2 Hilux I get it and if I want to "pose" I wouldn't think
that driving a plain white RWD only diesel ute would be the vehicle to
do that in.
My Porsche Boxster or my black MB CLK coupe would be better options:-)
Exactly. The moron would have no idea what "most people" do, and if you genuinely wanted to pose then there are a shitload of better choices out there than a fucking ute :)