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Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. The
Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise either
forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new oil into the
wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it had never been
opened, until they did it today to put oil in while I decide what to do.
God damn it!
Sylvia.
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. The
Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise either
forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new oil into the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it had never been
opened, until they did it today to put oil in while I decide what to do.
God damn it!
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. The
Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise either
forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new oil into
the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it had never
been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while I decide what
to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is easy
to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.--
Was it a Subaru dealer?
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. The
Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise either
forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new oil into
the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it had never
been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while I decide what
to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is easy
to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. The
Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise either
forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new oil into
the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it had never
been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while I decide
what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to
Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is
easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
Sylvia.
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. The
Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise either
forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new oil into
the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it had never
been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while I decide
what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to
Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is
easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
Sylvia.
On 25/07/2025 7:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:Was the mechanic licenced?
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. The
Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise
either forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new
oil into the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it
had never been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while I
decide what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to
Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is
easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
Sylvia.
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. The
Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise either
forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new oil into
the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it had never
been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while I decide
what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to
Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is
easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
On 25/07/2025 7:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:Was the mechanic licenced?
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. The
Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise
either forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new
oil into the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it
had never been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while I
decide what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to
Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is
easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
Sylvia.
On 25/07/2025 7:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
I live in Perth now.Was the mechanic licenced?
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
Sylvia.
On 25/7/2025 7:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. The
Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise
either forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new
oil into the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it
had never been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while I
decide what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to
Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is
easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
That explains it, after I read your post I looked up "XV diffs" and one
of the first responses was a YouTube video explaining that what happened
to your car is not uncommon and it also explained how easy it is to make that mistake.
If I were you I would be getting the workshop who made the mistake to
fix it.
On 25-July-25 6:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 25/7/2025 7:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV.
The Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise
either forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new
oil into the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it
had never been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while
I decide what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to
Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is
easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
That explains it, after I read your post I looked up "XV diffs" and
one of the first responses was a YouTube video explaining that what
happened to your car is not uncommon and it also explained how easy it
is to make that mistake.
If I were you I would be getting the workshop who made the mistake to
fix it.
If the diff had failed two weeks after, I'd for sure be doing that.
My problem is the nine month or so delay before any symptoms were seen.
I'm trying to find a forensic mechanic in the Perth area to see whether
the CVT fluid is contaminated, as it would be expected to be if this
mistake had been made. I was originally considering getting Subraru to
look into this, but now I'm concerned that they may not be an entirely impartial party in this.
On 25/7/2025 9:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 6:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 25/7/2025 7:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV.
The Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise >>>>>> either forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new >>>>>> oil into the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it >>>>>> had never been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while >>>>>> I decide what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to
Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is
easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
That explains it, after I read your post I looked up "XV diffs" and
one of the first responses was a YouTube video explaining that what
happened to your car is not uncommon and it also explained how easy
it is to make that mistake.
If I were you I would be getting the workshop who made the mistake to
fix it.
If the diff had failed two weeks after, I'd for sure be doing that.
My problem is the nine month or so delay before any symptoms were
seen. I'm trying to find a forensic mechanic in the Perth area to see
whether the CVT fluid is contaminated, as it would be expected to be
if this mistake had been made. I was originally considering getting
Subraru to look into this, but now I'm concerned that they may not be
an entirely impartial party in this.
"Forensic mechanic", that's a new one on me.
From what I saw in the YouTube video its highly likely that the diff
oil went into the CVT, whether or not it did any harm would be difficult
to know unless there is a problem with the CVT, might just get away with with draining and refilling with the correct fluid.
If you don't think that you can make a claim against the original
mechanic there is not much point getting Subaru or anyone else to look
at it other than the mechanic who is going to fix it.
On 25-July-25 6:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
That explains it, after I read your post I looked up "XV diffs" and
one of the first responses was a YouTube video explaining that what
happened to your car is not uncommon and it also explained how easy it
is to make that mistake.
If I were you I would be getting the workshop who made the mistake to
fix it.
If the diff had failed two weeks after, I'd for sure be doing that.
My problem is the nine month or so delay before any symptoms were seen.
I'm trying to find a forensic mechanic in the Perth area to see whether
the CVT fluid is contaminated, as it would be expected to be if this
mistake had been made.
On 25-July-25 7:55 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 25/7/2025 9:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 6:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 25/7/2025 7:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. >>>>>>> The Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA
franchise either forget to refill the diff after draining it, or >>>>>>> put the new oil into the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the
port to fill it had never been opened, until they did it today to >>>>>>> put oil in while I decide what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to >>>>>> Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is >>>>>> easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs. >>>>>> Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
That explains it, after I read your post I looked up "XV diffs" and
one of the first responses was a YouTube video explaining that what
happened to your car is not uncommon and it also explained how easy
it is to make that mistake.
If I were you I would be getting the workshop who made the mistake
to fix it.
If the diff had failed two weeks after, I'd for sure be doing that.
My problem is the nine month or so delay before any symptoms were
seen. I'm trying to find a forensic mechanic in the Perth area to see
whether the CVT fluid is contaminated, as it would be expected to be
if this mistake had been made. I was originally considering getting
Subraru to look into this, but now I'm concerned that they may not be
an entirely impartial party in this.
"Forensic mechanic", that's a new one on me.
-aFrom what I saw in the YouTube video its highly likely that the diff
oil went into the CVT, whether or not it did any harm would be
difficult to know unless there is a problem with the CVT, might just
get away with with draining and refilling with the correct fluid.
If you don't think that you can make a claim against the original
mechanic there is not much point getting Subaru or anyone else to look
at it other than the mechanic who is going to fix it.
If there's diff-oil in the CVT, then as I understand it, there's no
credible way for it to have got there other than the mistake, and I
think I'd have a good case against the mechanic.
If there's no diff-oil there, then it could be a case of the mechanic
just forgetting to refill, but I feel it's not so clear that there are
no alternatives, even though my garage floor has not suffered diff oil stains, particularly given how long it took for symptoms to show. This
would make my case weaker.
Also, there's an ethical issue - if the franchise stuffed up, then they should pay, but if I'm not certain in my own mind that they were at
fault, I'd rather not pursue them.
On 25/07/2025 9:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 6:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
That explains it, after I read your post I looked up "XV diffs" and
one of the first responses was a YouTube video explaining that what
happened to your car is not uncommon and it also explained how easy
it is to make that mistake.
If I were you I would be getting the workshop who made the mistake to
fix it.
If the diff had failed two weeks after, I'd for sure be doing that.
My problem is the nine month or so delay before any symptoms were
seen. I'm trying to find a forensic mechanic in the Perth area to see
whether the CVT fluid is contaminated, as it would be expected to be
if this mistake had been made.
"Forensic Mechanic"? What the hell is that? :)
On 25/07/2025 9:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 6:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
That explains it, after I read your post I looked up "XV diffs" and
one of the first responses was a YouTube video explaining that what
happened to your car is not uncommon and it also explained how easy
it is to make that mistake.
If I were you I would be getting the workshop who made the mistake to
fix it.
If the diff had failed two weeks after, I'd for sure be doing that.
My problem is the nine month or so delay before any symptoms were
seen. I'm trying to find a forensic mechanic in the Perth area to see
whether the CVT fluid is contaminated, as it would be expected to be
if this mistake had been made.
"Forensic Mechanic"? What the hell is that? :)
If you're concerned about lubricant contamination then all you need to
do is send a sample off for analysis, and anyone can do that. Even you.
On 25/7/2025 11:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 7:55 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 25/7/2025 9:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 6:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 25/7/2025 7:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. >>>>>>>> The Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA
franchise either forget to refill the diff after draining it, or >>>>>>>> put the new oil into the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the >>>>>>>> port to fill it had never been opened, until they did it today >>>>>>>> to put oil in while I decide what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to >>>>>>> Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that >>>>>>> is easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill
plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
That explains it, after I read your post I looked up "XV diffs" and >>>>> one of the first responses was a YouTube video explaining that what >>>>> happened to your car is not uncommon and it also explained how easy >>>>> it is to make that mistake.
If I were you I would be getting the workshop who made the mistake
to fix it.
If the diff had failed two weeks after, I'd for sure be doing that.
My problem is the nine month or so delay before any symptoms were
seen. I'm trying to find a forensic mechanic in the Perth area to
see whether the CVT fluid is contaminated, as it would be expected
to be if this mistake had been made. I was originally considering
getting Subraru to look into this, but now I'm concerned that they
may not be an entirely impartial party in this.
"Forensic mechanic", that's a new one on me.
-aFrom what I saw in the YouTube video its highly likely that the diff
oil went into the CVT, whether or not it did any harm would be
difficult to know unless there is a problem with the CVT, might just
get away with with draining and refilling with the correct fluid.
If you don't think that you can make a claim against the original
mechanic there is not much point getting Subaru or anyone else to
look at it other than the mechanic who is going to fix it.
If there's diff-oil in the CVT, then as I understand it, there's no
credible way for it to have got there other than the mistake, and I
think I'd have a good case against the mechanic.
Easy enough to find that out, just drain the oil, a smell test should be
all anyone needs to tell if there is diff oil in the CVT.
If there's no diff-oil there, then it could be a case of the mechanic
just forgetting to refill, but I feel it's not so clear that there are
no alternatives, even though my garage floor has not suffered diff oil
stains, particularly given how long it took for symptoms to show. This
would make my case weaker.
I'm not surprised that it took so long to show signs of a problem, there will always be some oil left in a diff after its drained and often that
is enough to keep it lubricated for a surprising long time.
My mate accidentally forgot to refill the diff on one of his race cars,
it failed on the last lap of the 5 runs of the day so it did approx 50
laps with no oil.-a >
Also, there's an ethical issue - if the franchise stuffed up, then
they should pay, but if I'm not certain in my own mind that they were
at fault, I'd rather not pursue them.
There is no doubt that it was their fault, either failed to refill or putting the diff oil in the CVT, their fault either way, whether or not
they admit liability is another question.
There would be value in getting an independent report if you intend to
take them to court but I would speak to them first, they may just admit liability and fix it.
On 26/7/2025 8:44 am, Noddy wrote:
On 25/07/2025 9:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 6:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
That explains it, after I read your post I looked up "XV diffs" and
one of the first responses was a YouTube video explaining that what
happened to your car is not uncommon and it also explained how easy
it is to make that mistake.
If I were you I would be getting the workshop who made the mistake
to fix it.
If the diff had failed two weeks after, I'd for sure be doing that.
My problem is the nine month or so delay before any symptoms were
seen. I'm trying to find a forensic mechanic in the Perth area to see
whether the CVT fluid is contaminated, as it would be expected to be
if this mistake had been made.
"Forensic Mechanic"? What the hell is that? :)
Lawyer speak for a mechanic that charges 10 times what everyone else
does for the same job:-)
On 25/07/2025 9:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 6:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
That explains it, after I read your post I looked up "XV diffs" and
one of the first responses was a YouTube video explaining that what
happened to your car is not uncommon and it also explained how easy
it is to make that mistake.
If I were you I would be getting the workshop who made the mistake to
fix it.
If the diff had failed two weeks after, I'd for sure be doing that.
My problem is the nine month or so delay before any symptoms were
seen. I'm trying to find a forensic mechanic in the Perth area to see
whether the CVT fluid is contaminated, as it would be expected to be
if this mistake had been made.
"Forensic Mechanic"? What the hell is that? :)
If you're concerned about lubricant contamination then all you need to
do is send a sample off for analysis, and anyone can do that. Even you.
On 26/7/2025 10:45 am, Daryl wrote:
On 26/7/2025 8:44 am, Noddy wrote:Utter crap. It's merely a mechanic who can work backwards from a point
On 25/07/2025 9:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 6:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
That explains it, after I read your post I looked up "XV diffs" and >>>>> one of the first responses was a YouTube video explaining that what >>>>> happened to your car is not uncommon and it also explained how easy >>>>> it is to make that mistake.
If I were you I would be getting the workshop who made the mistake
to fix it.
If the diff had failed two weeks after, I'd for sure be doing that.
My problem is the nine month or so delay before any symptoms were
seen. I'm trying to find a forensic mechanic in the Perth area to
see whether the CVT fluid is contaminated, as it would be expected
to be if this mistake had been made.
"Forensic Mechanic"? What the hell is that? :)
Lawyer speak for a mechanic that charges 10 times what everyone else
does for the same job:-)
of failure to establish the root cause of the issue and, technically,
that should be *every* COMPETENT mechanic. What you're looking at
is nothing more than *diagnosis* after the fact. This is just as
important as diagnosis before failure since it avoids repeats of disaster.
On 26/7/2025 8:44 am, Noddy wrote:
On 25/07/2025 9:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My problem is the nine month or so delay before any symptoms were
seen. I'm trying to find a forensic mechanic in the Perth area to see
whether the CVT fluid is contaminated, as it would be expected to be
if this mistake had been made.
"Forensic Mechanic"? What the hell is that? :)
Lawyer speak for a mechanic that charges 10 times what everyone else
does for the same job:-)
On 25/7/2025 11:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
If there's diff-oil in the CVT, then as I understand it, there's no
credible way for it to have got there other than the mistake, and I
think I'd have a good case against the mechanic.
Easy enough to find that out, just drain the oil, a smell test should be
all anyone needs to tell if there is diff oil in the CVT.
On 26/07/2025 10:43 am, Daryl wrote:
On 25/7/2025 11:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
If there's diff-oil in the CVT, then as I understand it, there's no
credible way for it to have got there other than the mistake, and I
think I'd have a good case against the mechanic.
Easy enough to find that out, just drain the oil, a smell test should
be all anyone needs to tell if there is diff oil in the CVT.
I would have thought that if the CVT had gear oil in it then it's performance would be affected and thus be noticeable pretty much immediately.
On 26/7/2025 6:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 26/07/2025 10:43 am, Daryl wrote:Having never owned or worked on a car with CVT I don't know what oil
On 25/7/2025 11:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
If there's diff-oil in the CVT, then as I understand it, there's no
credible way for it to have got there other than the mistake, and I
think I'd have a good case against the mechanic.
Easy enough to find that out, just drain the oil, a smell test should
be all anyone needs to tell if there is diff oil in the CVT.
I would have thought that if the CVT had gear oil in it then it's
performance would be affected and thus be noticeable pretty much
immediately.
they use, I don't know whether or not they are sensitive to oil types. Possibly a small quality of diff oil wouldn't affect it too much.
On 26/7/2025 6:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
I would have thought that if the CVT had gear oil in it then it'sHaving never owned or worked on a car with CVT I don't know what oil
performance would be affected and thus be noticeable pretty much
immediately.
they use, I don't know whether or not they are sensitive to oil types. Possibly a small quality of diff oil wouldn't affect it too much.
On 26/07/2025 6:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 26/7/2025 6:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
I would have thought that if the CVT had gear oil in it then it'sHaving never owned or worked on a car with CVT I don't know what oil
performance would be affected and thus be noticeable pretty much
immediately.
they use, I don't know whether or not they are sensitive to oil types.
Possibly a small quality of diff oil wouldn't affect it too much.
Most CVT's run a specially formulated synthetic trans fluid.
I didn't bother reading all of Sylvia's rant, but I gather there is a
question as to whether someone has mistakenly added diff oil into the transmission. If they had then I suspect adding a litre or so of gear
oil to a CVT would totally fuck up the friction properties of the fluid
and make it perform quite erratically, if at all.
More than likely they've just forgot to refill the diff housing.
On 25/07/2025 7:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:Was the mechanic licenced?
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. The
Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise
either forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new
oil into the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it
had never been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while I
decide what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to
Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is
easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
Sylvia.
On 25-July-25 6:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 25/7/2025 7:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV.
The Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise
either forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new
oil into the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it
had never been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while
I decide what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to
Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is
easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
That explains it, after I read your post I looked up "XV diffs" and
one of the first responses was a YouTube video explaining that what
happened to your car is not uncommon and it also explained how easy it
is to make that mistake.
If I were you I would be getting the workshop who made the mistake to
fix it.
If the diff had failed two weeks after, I'd for sure be doing that.
My problem is the nine month or so delay before any symptoms were seen.
I'm trying to find a forensic mechanic in the Perth area to see whether
the CVT fluid is contaminated, as it would be expected to be if this
mistake had been made. I was originally considering getting Subraru to
look into this, but now I'm concerned that they may not be an entirely impartial party in this.
Sylvia.
On 25-July-25 7:55 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 25/7/2025 9:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 6:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 25/7/2025 7:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV. >>>>>>> The Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA
franchise either forget to refill the diff after draining it, or >>>>>>> put the new oil into the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the
port to fill it had never been opened, until they did it today to >>>>>>> put oil in while I decide what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to >>>>>> Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is >>>>>> easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs. >>>>>> Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
That explains it, after I read your post I looked up "XV diffs" and
one of the first responses was a YouTube video explaining that what
happened to your car is not uncommon and it also explained how easy
it is to make that mistake.
If I were you I would be getting the workshop who made the mistake
to fix it.
If the diff had failed two weeks after, I'd for sure be doing that.
My problem is the nine month or so delay before any symptoms were
seen. I'm trying to find a forensic mechanic in the Perth area to see
whether the CVT fluid is contaminated, as it would be expected to be
if this mistake had been made. I was originally considering getting
Subraru to look into this, but now I'm concerned that they may not be
an entirely impartial party in this.
"Forensic mechanic", that's a new one on me.
-aFrom what I saw in the YouTube video its highly likely that the diff
oil went into the CVT, whether or not it did any harm would be
difficult to know unless there is a problem with the CVT, might just
get away with with draining and refilling with the correct fluid.
If you don't think that you can make a claim against the original
mechanic there is not much point getting Subaru or anyone else to look
at it other than the mechanic who is going to fix it.
If there's diff-oil in the CVT, then as I understand it, there's no
credible way for it to have got there other than the mistake, and I
think I'd have a good case against the mechanic.
If there's no diff-oil there, then it could be a case of the mechanic
just forgetting to refill, but I feel it's not so clear that there are
no alternatives, even though my garage floor has not suffered diff oil stains, particularly given how long it took for symptoms to show. This
would make my case weaker.
Also, there's an ethical issue - if the franchise stuffed up, then they should pay, but if I'm not certain in my own mind that they were at
fault, I'd rather not pursue them.
On 26/07/2025 6:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 26/7/2025 6:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
I would have thought that if the CVT had gear oil in it then it'sHaving never owned or worked on a car with CVT I don't know what oil
performance would be affected and thus be noticeable pretty much
immediately.
they use, I don't know whether or not they are sensitive to oil types.
Possibly a small quality of diff oil wouldn't affect it too much.
Most CVT's run a specially formulated synthetic trans fluid.
I didn't bother reading all of Sylvia's rant, but I gather there is a question as to whether someone has mistakenly added diff oil into the transmission. If they had then I suspect adding a litre or so of gear
oil to a CVT would totally fuck up the friction properties of the fluid
and make it perform quite erratically, if at all.
More than likely they've just forgot to refill the diff housing.
On 25/07/2025 6:46 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 25/07/2025 7:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:Was the mechanic licenced?
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV.
The Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise
either forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new
oil into the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it
had never been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while
I decide what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to
Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is
easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
Sylvia.
Some Noddy by the sounds of it, though I wouldn't assume anything from
this story without knowing all the facts.
Considering all the XV transmission issues and knowing how Subaru like
to deal with claims... I wouldn't believe anything from a what a
customer has been told and neither should anyone else.
I'm sure the clueless here will have some strong opinions however.
On 27/07/2025 2:13 am, Clocky wrote:
On 25/07/2025 6:46 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 25/07/2025 7:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 25-July-25 3:53 pm, Daryl wrote:Was the mechanic licenced?
On 24/7/2025 10:25 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Look like I'm up for a transmission rebuild at least, on the XV.
The Subaru dealership believes that a mechanic from a WA franchise >>>>>> either forget to refill the diff after draining it, or put the new >>>>>> oil into the wrong port. Indeed, they believe the port to fill it >>>>>> had never been opened, until they did it today to put oil in while >>>>>> I decide what to do.
God damn it!
It was drained in WA and you managed to drive all the way back to
Sydney with no oil in the diff?
Seems that that is a common mistake on those vehicles, one that is
easy to make because of the confusing locations of the fill plugs.
Whoever did the work in WA should be paying for the repairs.
Was it a Subaru dealer?
I live in Perth now.
It wasn't a Subaru dealer who drained the diff.
Sylvia.
Some Noddy by the sounds of it, though I wouldn't assume anything from
this story without knowing all the facts.
From what has been written here, I was under the impression that, in
WA, to work on a car, you either need to have a licence or be under the supervision of a licencee. I'd have thought that draining and refilling
a diff would constitute working on a car.
Considering all the XV transmission issues and knowing how Subaru like
to deal with claims... I wouldn't believe anything from a what a
customer has been told and neither should anyone else.
When my Forester went in for the first service after the warranty ran
out, they found a problem with one of the front suspension struts.
Subaru still paid parts and labour to fix it. Reasonably fair I thought.