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'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern
sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur
discovered on the south coast of the UK.
<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-dinosaur-with-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian',
according to the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern
sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur discovered
on the south coast of the UK.
<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-dinosaur-with-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian', according to
the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern
sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.--
In article <ml818oFr6o7U1@mid.individual.net>,
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern
sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
Not eating dairy products doesn't stop you being a vegetarian, it just
makes you a more extreme one.
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern
sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
That made me wonder whether there were any vegetables, in our sense, in
those days. Do leaves and grass count?
On 15/10/25 09:30, occam wrote:
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur
discovered on the south coast of the UK.
<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-dinosaur-with-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian',
according to the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern
sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
That made me wonder whether there were any vegetables, in our sense, in
those days. Do leaves and grass count?
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur discovered
on the south coast of the UK.
<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-dinosaur-with-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian', according to
the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern
sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
The wild origins of modern fruit and veg must all have
existed, but lack of intercontinental transport limited
the range available to dinosaurs. European dinosaurs ate
no potatoes or tomatoes, etc
On 2025-10-14, occam wrote:
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur
discovered on the south coast of the UK.
<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-di
nosaur-with-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian',
according to the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the
modern sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy
produce. Were cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
Eggs were certainly available. Some animals today (notably a bunch
of snakes & some spiders) eat raw eggs.
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur discovered
on the south coast of the UK.
<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-dinosaur-with-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian', according to
the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern
sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur
discovered on the south coast of the UK.
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian',
according to the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the
modern sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy
produce. Were cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
Wikipedia quotes:
"They (the dinosaurs) first appeared during the Triassic period, between
243 and 233.23 million years ago."
"Pangaea or Pangea was a supercontinent that existed during the late >Paleozoic and early Mesozoic eras.[2] It assembled from the earlier >continental units of Gondwana, Euramerica and Siberia during the >Carboniferous period approximately 335 million years ago, and began to
break apart about 200 million years ago, ..."
I don't know if potatoes or tomatoes already existed at that time,
In article <10cmuki$3br47$1@dont-email.me>,ith-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
peter@pmoylan.org says...
On 15/10/25 09:30, occam wrote:
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur
discovered on the south coast of the UK.
<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-dinosaur-w
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian',
according to the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
That made me wonder whether there were any vegetables, in our sense, in those days. Do leaves and grass count?
The wild origins of modern fruit and veg must all have
existed, but lack of intercontinental transport limited
the range available to dinosaurs. European dinosaurs ate
no potatoes or tomatoes, etc
In article <10cmuki$3br47$1@dont-email.me>,
peter@pmoylan.org says...
On 15/10/25 09:30, occam wrote:
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur
discovered on the south coast of the UK.
<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-dinosaur-with-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian',
according to the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern
sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
That made me wonder whether there were any vegetables, in our sense, in
those days. Do leaves and grass count?
The wild origins of modern fruit and veg must all have
existed, but lack of intercontinental transport limited
the range available to dinosaurs. European dinosaurs ate
no potatoes or tomatoes, etc
Dinosaurs may have invented the trendy woke term
"locavore". They just had nowhere to write it down.
occam wrote:
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-dinosaur-with-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
discovered on the south coast of the UK.
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian',
according to the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the
modern sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy
produce. Were cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
I'm sure there were eggs of other dinosaurs and [early] bird
species to eat... and surely they suckled milk from their
Mother too, so kind of dairy. :-)
--If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
Generally, it's hard to put modern day terms onto things from
that long ago, so I assume the BBC were just trying to use a
term that people could relate to. (I could go on about modern
news being dumbed down but that would be another discussion
entirely!!!)
On 15/10/2025 15:00, Blueshirt wrote:
occam wrote:
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-dinosaur-with-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
discovered on the south coast of the UK.
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian',
according to the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the
modern sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy
produce. Were cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
I'm sure there were eggs of other dinosaurs and [early] bird
species to eat... and surely they suckled milk from their
Mother too, so kind of dairy. :-)
Dinosaurs were mamalian?? >
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
Generally, it's hard to put modern day terms onto things from
that long ago, so I assume the BBC were just trying to use a
term that people could relate to. (I could go on about modern
news being dumbed down but that would be another discussion
entirely!!!)
----
Sam Plusnet
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur discovered
on the south coast of the UK.
<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-dinosaur-with-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian', according to
the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern
sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.--
Den 15.10.2025 kl. 03.50 skrev Peter Moylan:
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern
sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
That made me wonder whether there were any vegetables, in our sense, in
those days. Do leaves and grass count?
Any part of plants (in a broad sense) counts. The general criterion is avoidance of meats. What splits veg-people up in groups is what else you
can eat.
In article <10co1d9$3kjuv$1@dont-email.me>,
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Wikipedia quotes:
"They (the dinosaurs) first appeared during the Triassic period, between
243 and 233.23 million years ago."
"Pangaea or Pangea was a supercontinent that existed during the late
Paleozoic and early Mesozoic eras.[2] It assembled from the earlier
continental units of Gondwana, Euramerica and Siberia during the
Carboniferous period approximately 335 million years ago, and began to
break apart about 200 million years ago, ..."
I don't know if potatoes or tomatoes already existed at that time,
Angiosperms (the whole clade of flowering plants) are about 300
million years old. As regards potatoes and tomatoes specifically,
Wikipedia has this to say:
Using these new fossils, a team in 2023 estimated the age of
Solanaceae to be approximately 73.3 million years old. Their
work proposed that after the K-Pg mass extinction, the family
began to rapidly diversify, with all subfamilies diverging
from each other by 56 million years ago.
(Solanum, the genus of potatoes and tomatoes, is of course the type
genus of the Solanaceae.)
Long ago, I decided I was an ovo-lacto-meato vegetarian.
After all, beef, for example, is just processed grass.
Long ago, I decided I was an ovo-lacto-meato vegetarian.
After all, beef, for example, is just processed grass.
On 15/10/2025 21:34, lar3ryca wrote:
<snip>
Long ago, I decided I was an ovo-lacto-meato vegetarian.
After all, beef, for example, is just processed grass.
That would make you a vegetarianian. You're happy to eat cows and sheep,
but won't touch hyenas, cats, or weasels.
On 15/10/2025 10:42, Janet wrote:
In article <10cmuki$3br47$1@dont-email.me>,
peter@pmoylan.org says...
On 15/10/25 09:30, occam wrote:
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur
discovered on the south coast of the UK.
<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-dinosaur-with-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian',
according to the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern
sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
That made me wonder whether there were any vegetables, in our sense, in
those days. Do leaves and grass count?
The wild origins of modern fruit and veg must all have
existed, but lack of intercontinental transport limited
the range available to dinosaurs. European dinosaurs ate
no potatoes or tomatoes, etc
Dinosaurs may have invented the trendy woke term
"locavore". They just had nowhere to write it down.
I suppose it all depends on which dinosaurs.
For most of the dinosaur's time on earth, flowering plants hadn't been 'invented'[1].
A diet of ferns, cycads, conifers and mosses doesn't sound too exciting.
[1] I read that dinosaurs and flowering plants _did_ overlap, but only towards the end of the dinosaur era.
On 15/10/2025 21:34, lar3ryca wrote:
<snip>
Long ago, I decided I was an ovo-lacto-meato vegetarian.
After all, beef, for example, is just processed grass.
That would make you a vegetarianian. You're happy to eat cows and
sheep, but won't touch hyenas, cats, or weasels.
On 2025-10-16 00:34:06 +0000, Richard Heathfield said:
On 15/10/2025 21:34, lar3ryca wrote:
<snip>
Long ago, I decided I was an ovo-lacto-meato vegetarian.
After all, beef, for example, is just processed grass.
That would make you a vegetarianian. You're happy to eat cows and
sheep, but won't touch hyenas, cats, or weasels.
Hmm. The reason why rabbits in butcher's shops were displayed with
heads is said to be to make it clear that they were not cats.
Apparently enough people couldn't tell the difference that that was worthwhile.
On 15 Oct 2025, Adam Funk wrote
On 2025-10-14, occam wrote:
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur
discovered on the south coast of the UK.
<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-di
nosaur-with-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian',
according to the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the
modern sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy
produce. Were cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
Eggs were certainly available. Some animals today (notably a bunch
of snakes & some spiders) eat raw eggs.
Don't forget Johnny Cash's dirty old egg-sucking dog...
On 16/10/25 02:59, Garrett Wollman wrote:
In article <10co1d9$3kjuv$1@dont-email.me>,
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Wikipedia quotes:
"They (the dinosaurs) first appeared during the Triassic period, between >>> 243 and 233.23 million years ago."
"Pangaea or Pangea was a supercontinent that existed during the late
Paleozoic and early Mesozoic eras.[2] It assembled from the earlier
continental units of Gondwana, Euramerica and Siberia during the
Carboniferous period approximately 335 million years ago, and began to
break apart about 200 million years ago, ..."
I don't know if potatoes or tomatoes already existed at that time,
Angiosperms (the whole clade of flowering plants) are about 300
million years old. As regards potatoes and tomatoes specifically,
Wikipedia has this to say:
Using these new fossils, a team in 2023 estimated the age of
Solanaceae to be approximately 73.3 million years old. Their
work proposed that after the K-Pg mass extinction, the family
began to rapidly diversify, with all subfamilies diverging
from each other by 56 million years ago.
(Solanum, the genus of potatoes and tomatoes, is of course the type
genus of the Solanaceae.)
Well, that seems to settle that. The dinosaurs did not eat potatoes or tomatoes.
what you are describing is a
sub-set of vegetarians called 'vegans'.
Eggs were certainly available. Some animals today (notably a bunch of
snakes & some spiders) eat raw eggs.
El Wed, 15 Oct 2025 09:54:42 +0200, occam escribi||:
what you are describing is a
sub-set of vegetarians called 'vegans'.
Isn't veganism a lifestyle? We can't be certain that the dinosaurs didn't >use animal products in some other way. They just didn't ingest them.
On 2025-10-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 16/10/25 02:59, Garrett Wollman wrote:
In article <10co1d9$3kjuv$1@dont-email.me>,
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Wikipedia quotes:
"They (the dinosaurs) first appeared during the Triassic period, between >>>> 243 and 233.23 million years ago."
"Pangaea or Pangea was a supercontinent that existed during the late
Paleozoic and early Mesozoic eras.[2] It assembled from the earlier
continental units of Gondwana, Euramerica and Siberia during the
Carboniferous period approximately 335 million years ago, and began to >>>> break apart about 200 million years ago, ..."
I don't know if potatoes or tomatoes already existed at that time,
Angiosperms (the whole clade of flowering plants) are about 300
million years old. As regards potatoes and tomatoes specifically,
Wikipedia has this to say:
Using these new fossils, a team in 2023 estimated the age of
Solanaceae to be approximately 73.3 million years old. Their
work proposed that after the K-Pg mass extinction, the family
began to rapidly diversify, with all subfamilies diverging
from each other by 56 million years ago.
(Solanum, the genus of potatoes and tomatoes, is of course the type
genus of the Solanaceae.)
Well, that seems to settle that. The dinosaurs did not eat potatoes or
tomatoes.
Also, all the above-ground parts of potato plants are poisonous, at
least to mammals (I'm not sure about reptiles and/or birds).
On 2025-10-16, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2025-10-16 00:34:06 +0000, Richard Heathfield said:
On 15/10/2025 21:34, lar3ryca wrote:
<snip>
Long ago, I decided I was an ovo-lacto-meato vegetarian.
After all, beef, for example, is just processed grass.
That would make you a vegetarianian. You're happy to eat cows and
sheep, but won't touch hyenas, cats, or weasels.
Hmm. The reason why rabbits in butcher's shops were displayed with
heads is said to be to make it clear that they were not cats.
Apparently enough people couldn't tell the difference that that was
worthwhile.
I'm surprised. I was under the impression (not from experience,
though) that meat from carnivores generally tastes unpleasant to most
people.
On 2025-10-16 07:45, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2025-10-16, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2025-10-16 00:34:06 +0000, Richard Heathfield said:
On 15/10/2025 21:34, lar3ryca wrote:
<snip>
Long ago, I decided I was an ovo-lacto-meato vegetarian.
After all, beef, for example, is just processed grass.
That would make you a vegetarianian. You're happy to eat cows and
sheep, but won't touch hyenas, cats, or weasels.
Hmm. The reason why rabbits in butcher's shops were displayed with
heads is said to be to make it clear that they were not cats.
Apparently enough people couldn't tell the difference that that was
worthwhile.
I'm surprised. I was under the impression (not from experience,
though) that meat from carnivores generally tastes unpleasant to most
people.
I think you may be mistaken, though I can't be sure that there may be
some carnivores whose meat is unpleasant.
Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat
for a long list of places where cats were used for meat.
I have eaten alligator, and found it pleasant enough.
It's not surprising that it tastes like and has the same texture as chicken, since they are pretty close relatives.
Of other non-mammals, I've also eaten frog. No insects though, not >deliberately, anyway: I may have swallowed one or two that flrx intomy >mouth.
On 2025-10-16 07:45, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2025-10-16, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2025-10-16 00:34:06 +0000, Richard Heathfield said:
On 15/10/2025 21:34, lar3ryca wrote:
<snip>
Long ago, I decided I was an ovo-lacto-meato vegetarian.
After all, beef, for example, is just processed grass.
That would make you a vegetarianian. You're happy to eat cows and
sheep, but won't touch hyenas, cats, or weasels.
Hmm. The reason why rabbits in butcher's shops were displayed with
heads is said to be to make it clear that they were not cats.
Apparently enough people couldn't tell the difference that that was
worthwhile.
I'm surprised. I was under the impression (not from experience,
though) that meat from carnivores generally tastes unpleasant to most
people.
I think you may be mistaken, though I can't be sure that there may be some carnivores whose meat is unpleasant.
Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat
for a long list of places where cats were used for meat.
I have eaten alligator, and found it pleasant enough. It's not surprising that it tastes like and has the same texture as chicken, since they are pretty close relatives.
On 2025-10-16 13:41:20 +0000, Adam Funk said:
On 2025-10-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 16/10/25 02:59, Garrett Wollman wrote:
In article <10co1d9$3kjuv$1@dont-email.me>,
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Wikipedia quotes:
"They (the dinosaurs) first appeared during the Triassic period, between >>>>> 243 and 233.23 million years ago."
"Pangaea or Pangea was a supercontinent that existed during the late >>>>> Paleozoic and early Mesozoic eras.[2] It assembled from the earlier
continental units of Gondwana, Euramerica and Siberia during the
Carboniferous period approximately 335 million years ago, and began to >>>>> break apart about 200 million years ago, ..."
I don't know if potatoes or tomatoes already existed at that time,
Angiosperms (the whole clade of flowering plants) are about 300
million years old. As regards potatoes and tomatoes specifically,
Wikipedia has this to say:
Using these new fossils, a team in 2023 estimated the age of
Solanaceae to be approximately 73.3 million years old. Their
work proposed that after the K-Pg mass extinction, the family
began to rapidly diversify, with all subfamilies diverging
from each other by 56 million years ago.
(Solanum, the genus of potatoes and tomatoes, is of course the type
genus of the Solanaceae.)
Well, that seems to settle that. The dinosaurs did not eat potatoes or
tomatoes.
Also, all the above-ground parts of potato plants are poisonous, at
least to mammals (I'm not sure about reptiles and/or birds).
Fora long time (maybe 200 years) tomato plants were grown in Europe only as ornamental plants. People didn't eat the tomatoes because they were believed to be just as poisonous as potato fruit.
instead, and see how that works out.-- Katy Jennison
On 2025-10-16 17:46:45 +0000, lar3ryca said:
On 2025-10-16 07:45, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2025-10-16, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2025-10-16 00:34:06 +0000, Richard Heathfield said:
On 15/10/2025 21:34, lar3ryca wrote:
<snip>
Long ago, I decided I was an ovo-lacto-meato vegetarian.
After all, beef, for example, is just processed grass.
That would make you a vegetarianian. You're happy to eat cows and
sheep, but won't touch hyenas, cats, or weasels.
Hmm. The reason why rabbits in butcher's shops were displayed with
heads is said to be to make it clear that they were not cats.
Apparently enough people couldn't tell the difference that that was
worthwhile.
I'm surprised. I was under the impression (not from experience,
though) that meat from carnivores generally tastes unpleasant to most
people.
I think you may be mistaken, though I can't be sure that there may be
some carnivores whose meat is unpleasant.
Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat
for a long list of places where cats were used for meat.
I have eaten alligator, and found it pleasant enough.
I've eaten crocodile, and ...
-aIt's not surprising that it tastes like and has the same texture as
chicken, since they are pretty close relatives.
... had the same impression.
Of other non-mammals, I've also eaten frog. No insects though, not deliberately, anyway: I may have swallowed one or two that flrx intomy mouth.
After serious thinking lar3ryca wrote :
On 2025-10-16 07:45, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2025-10-16, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2025-10-16 00:34:06 +0000, Richard Heathfield said:
On 15/10/2025 21:34, lar3ryca wrote:
<snip>
Long ago, I decided I was an ovo-lacto-meato vegetarian.
After all, beef, for example, is just processed grass.
That would make you a vegetarianian. You're happy to eat cows and
sheep, but won't touch hyenas, cats, or weasels.
Hmm. The reason why rabbits in butcher's shops were displayed with
heads is said to be to make it clear that they were not cats.
Apparently enough people couldn't tell the difference that that was
worthwhile.
I'm surprised. I was under the impression (not from experience,
though) that meat from carnivores generally tastes unpleasant to most
people.
I think you may be mistaken, though I can't be sure that there may be
some carnivores whose meat is unpleasant.
And some herbivores may have an unpleasant taste.-a I haven't tried deer meat, but I often see it described as "gamey", and "gamey" is used in a negative sense.
And there is often discussion about the difference in flavor between grass-fed beef and grain-fed, although AIUI feeding grain is just a
final touch to add heft to a market animal.
Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat
for a long list of places where cats were used for meat.
I have eaten alligator, and found it pleasant enough. It's not
surprising that it tastes like and has the same texture as chicken,
since they are pretty close relatives.
And free-range chickens eat plenty of bugs, which is a non-vegan trait.
In article <10cre20$jdes$1@dont-email.me>,
Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
Of other non-mammals, I've also eaten frog. No insects though, not >deliberately, anyway: I may have swallowed one or two that flrx intomy >mouth.
And some insect extract - cochineal.
On 2025-10-16 13:01, Snidely wrote:[...] There is a difference between 'grain-fed' and 'grain-finished', and between 'grass-fed' and 'grass-finished' beef.
I VERY much prefer grass-fed beef.
[...] And free-range chickens eat plenty of bugs, which is a non-vegan trait.
Indeed they do. I raised chickens (primarily for eggs) for about 25 years, and can vouch for that.
On 2025-10-16 07:45, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2025-10-16, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2025-10-16 00:34:06 +0000, Richard Heathfield said:
On 15/10/2025 21:34, lar3ryca wrote:
<snip>
Long ago, I decided I was an ovo-lacto-meato vegetarian.
After all, beef, for example, is just processed grass.
That would make you a vegetarianian. You're happy to eat cows and
sheep, but won't touch hyenas, cats, or weasels.
Hmm. The reason why rabbits in butcher's shops were displayed with
heads is said to be to make it clear that they were not cats.
Apparently enough people couldn't tell the difference that that was
worthwhile.
I'm surprised. I was under the impression (not from experience,
though) that meat from carnivores generally tastes unpleasant to most
people.
I think you may be mistaken, though I can't be sure that there may be
some carnivores whose meat is unpleasant.
Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat
for a long list of places where cats were used for meat.
I have eaten alligator, and found it pleasant enough. It's not
surprising that it tastes like and has the same texture as chicken,
since they are pretty close relatives.
El Wed, 15 Oct 2025 09:54:42 +0200, occam escribi||:
what you are describing is a
sub-set of vegetarians called 'vegans'.
Isn't veganism a lifestyle? We can't be certain that the dinosaurs didn't use animal products in some other way. They just didn't ingest them.
Vegetarians simply don't eat meat. Vegans are against any "exploitation"
of animals.
On 2025-10-16 17:46:45 +0000, lar3ryca said:
On 2025-10-16 07:45, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2025-10-16, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2025-10-16 00:34:06 +0000, Richard Heathfield said:
On 15/10/2025 21:34, lar3ryca wrote:
<snip>
Long ago, I decided I was an ovo-lacto-meato vegetarian.
After all, beef, for example, is just processed grass.
That would make you a vegetarianian. You're happy to eat cows and
sheep, but won't touch hyenas, cats, or weasels.
Hmm. The reason why rabbits in butcher's shops were displayed with
heads is said to be to make it clear that they were not cats.
Apparently enough people couldn't tell the difference that that was
worthwhile.
I'm surprised. I was under the impression (not from experience,
though) that meat from carnivores generally tastes unpleasant to most
people.
I think you may be mistaken, though I can't be sure that there may be
some carnivores whose meat is unpleasant.
Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat
for a long list of places where cats were used for meat.
I have eaten alligator, and found it pleasant enough.
I've eaten crocodile, and ...
It's not surprising that it tastes like and has the same texture as
chicken, since they are pretty close relatives.
... had the same impression.
Of other non-mammals, I've also eaten frog. No insects though, not deliberately, anyway: I may have swallowed one or two that flrx intomy mouth.
I think you may be mistaken, though I can't be sure that there may be
some carnivores whose meat is unpleasant.
Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat
for a long list of places where cats were used for meat.
I have eaten alligator, and found it pleasant enough. It's not
surprising that it tastes like and has the same texture as chicken,
since they are pretty close relatives.
I've eaten ants (and crocodile and snake) at an
Aboriginal meal.
The ants were a salad dressing, tasted slightly lemony.
Much more important, I'm very partial to squid and octopus. I forgot to mention them.
Also snails, which I've eaten occasionally, but I can live
without them.
Many wild game animals have a distinctive flavour, usually described as 'gamey'. I don't mind venison, but elk and moose are much less gamey.
On 16/10/2025 18:46, lar3ryca wrote:
On 2025-10-16 07:45, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2025-10-16, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2025-10-16 00:34:06 +0000, Richard Heathfield said:
On 15/10/2025 21:34, lar3ryca wrote:
<snip>
Long ago, I decided I was an ovo-lacto-meato vegetarian.
After all, beef, for example, is just processed grass.
That would make you a vegetarianian. You're happy to eat cows and
sheep, but won't touch hyenas, cats, or weasels.
Hmm. The reason why rabbits in butcher's shops were displayed with
heads is said to be to make it clear that they were not cats.
Apparently enough people couldn't tell the difference that that was
worthwhile.
I'm surprised. I was under the impression (not from experience,
though) that meat from carnivores generally tastes unpleasant to most
people.
I think you may be mistaken, though I can't be sure that there may be
some carnivores whose meat is unpleasant.
Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat
for a long list of places where cats were used for meat.
I have eaten alligator, and found it pleasant enough. It's not
surprising that it tastes like and has the same texture as chicken,
since they are pretty close relatives.
There was a man who made a hobby of eating pretty much any animal he
could lay a fork on - he got a great many from a zoo.
IIRC, he said the most foul thing he ever tasted was a mole.
On 2025-10-15 18:55:01 +0000, Sam Plusnet said:with-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
On 15/10/2025 10:42, Janet wrote:
In article <10cmuki$3br47$1@dont-email.me>,
peter@pmoylan.org says...
On 15/10/25 09:30, occam wrote:
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur
discovered on the south coast of the UK.
<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-dinosaur-
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian',
according to the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern >>>> sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
That made me wonder whether there were any vegetables, in our sense, in >>> those days. Do leaves and grass count?
The wild origins of modern fruit and veg must all have
existed, but lack of intercontinental transport limited
the range available to dinosaurs. European dinosaurs ate
no potatoes or tomatoes, etc
Dinosaurs may have invented the trendy woke term
"locavore". They just had nowhere to write it down.
I suppose it all depends on which dinosaurs.
For most of the dinosaur's time on earth, flowering plants hadn't been 'invented'[1].
A diet of ferns, cycads, conifers and mosses doesn't sound too exciting.
[1] I read that dinosaurs and flowering plants _did_ overlap, but only towards the end of the dinosaur era.
Yes, that's right. Until I checked yesterday, I had the idea that
flowering plants and bees appeared at around the time the dinosaurs disappeared, but yes, it was a bit earlier.
El Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:02:07 +0100, Adam Funk escribi<:
Eggs were certainly available. Some animals today (notably a bunch of snakes & some spiders) eat raw eggs.
As do foxes. If our lake is dry in the spring, the flamingoes don't bother laying as there is nothing to stop the foxes nicking the eggs.
On 16/10/2025 17:26, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Wed, 15 Oct 2025 09:54:42 +0200, occam escribi||:No, it's more than just a lifestyle. Vegans do not eat meat nor any
what you are describing is a sub-set of vegetarians called 'vegans'.
Isn't veganism a lifestyle? We can't be certain that the dinosaurs
didn't use animal products in some other way. They just didn't ingest
them.
Vegetarians simply don't eat meat. Vegans are against any
"exploitation" of animals.
products derived from animals (milk, eggs, gelatine, honey) on the
grounds that it is the by-product of animal exploitation.
From: Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 21:46:29 +0100
Ar an so. lb doag de m0 Deireadh F<mhair, scr0obh lar3ryca:
On 2025-10-16 13:01, Snidely wrote:[...] There is a difference between 'grain-fed' and 'grain-finished', and between 'grass-fed' and 'grass-finished' beef.
I VERY much prefer grass-fed beef.
Kerrygold does very well with its exports of grass-fed butter, or as we call it, butter, to much of the world, North America included. I?m not certain how much the tariffs have hit it.
[...] And free-range chickens eat plenty of bugs, which is a non-vegan trait.
Indeed they do. I raised chickens (primarily for eggs) for about 25 years, and can vouch for that.
I likely knew that at some point, but it hadn?t clicked. I don?t eat enough free-range chicken to comment on the taste.
Kerrygold does very well with its exports of grass-fed butter,
El Fri, 17 Oct 2025 09:13:45 +0200, occam escribi||:
No, it's more than just a lifestyle. Vegans do not eat meat nor any
products derived from animals (milk, eggs, gelatine, honey) on the
grounds that it is the by-product of animal exploitation.
Erm, I think I just said that. Lifestyle is following a set of specific rules. Maybe "regime" says it better?
On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 19:57:26 +0100ith-eye-catching-sail-discovered-on-isle-of-wight>
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 15/10/2025 15:00, Blueshirt wrote:
occam wrote:
On BBC Radio there was a report of a new species of dinosaur<https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/aug/22/new-species-of-dinosaur-w
discovered on the south coast of the UK.
One of its characteristics was that they were 'vegetarian',
according to the reporter.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the
modern sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy
produce. Were cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
I'm sure there were eggs of other dinosaurs and [early] bird
species to eat... and surely they suckled milk from their
Mother too, so kind of dairy. :-)
Dinosaurs were mamalian?? >
Therapsids were the (our) ancestors, but it's a bit tricky to check for
boobs on fossils.
Q - Can dinosaurs be described as vegetarian?
'Plant eating' or 'herbivorous' - yes. But vegetarian? In the modern
sense of that word, a vegetarian diet includes dairy produce. Were
cheese and eggs widely available to dinosaurs?
If anything, this latest species should be described as vegan.
