• Genocide and terrorism

    From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.usage.english,alt.english.usage on Mon Oct 13 05:14:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 14:46:55 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-10-11 13:22, Chris wrote:
    -2Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their
    membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people.[a][1]
    Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term, defined genocide as "the
    destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group" by means such as "the >disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its]
    culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic >existence".[2] During the struggle to ratify the Genocide Convention, >powerful countries restricted Lemkin's definition to exclude their own >actions from being classified as genocide,[3][4] ultimately limiting it
    to any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in
    part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".[5] While there
    are many scholarly definitions of genocide,[6] almost all international >bodies of law officially adjudicate the crime of genocide pursuant to
    the Genocide Convention.[7]

    Genocide has occurred throughout human history, even during prehistoric >times, but it is particularly likely in situations of imperial expansion
    and power consolidation. It is associated with colonial empires and
    settler colonies, as well as with both world wars and repressive
    governments in the twentieth century. The colloquial understanding of >genocide is heavily influenced by the Holocaust as its archetype and is >conceived as innocent victims being targeted for their ethnic identity >rather than for any political reason.

    Genocide is widely considered to be the epitome of human evil and is
    often referred to as the "crime of crimes"; consequently, events are
    often denounced as genocide.-+

    (Wikipedia)

    Hamas might like to commit Genocide on Israel, but they don't have the >means. Terrorism, certainly. Although there is no formal definition of >terrorism accepted internationally If you win, then what was terrorism
    gets whitewashed.

    I like, and use, the definition of "terrorism" in my "Concise Oxford Dictionary": "one who favours or uses terror-inspiring methords or
    governing or of coercing government or comm unity."

    Terrorism, in other words, is intimidation on steroids.

    Israel committed terrorism when attempting to create their state. Like
    the bomb on the King David Hotel.

    And has continued to use it in their treatment of Gaza, and
    Palestinians generally.

    Note: I cannot see what this has to do with either Windows 11 or
    Linux, but since if does have to do with the meaning of English words
    I am setting follow-ups to English usage groups.
    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.usage.english,alt.english.usage on Mon Oct 13 12:01:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 2025-10-13 05:14, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 14:46:55 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-10-11 13:22, Chris wrote:
    -2Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their
    membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people.[a][1]
    Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term, defined genocide as "the
    destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group" by means such as "the
    disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its]
    culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic
    existence".[2] During the struggle to ratify the Genocide Convention,
    powerful countries restricted Lemkin's definition to exclude their own
    actions from being classified as genocide,[3][4] ultimately limiting it
    to any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in
    part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".[5] While there
    are many scholarly definitions of genocide,[6] almost all international
    bodies of law officially adjudicate the crime of genocide pursuant to
    the Genocide Convention.[7]

    Genocide has occurred throughout human history, even during prehistoric
    times, but it is particularly likely in situations of imperial expansion
    and power consolidation. It is associated with colonial empires and
    settler colonies, as well as with both world wars and repressive
    governments in the twentieth century. The colloquial understanding of
    genocide is heavily influenced by the Holocaust as its archetype and is
    conceived as innocent victims being targeted for their ethnic identity
    rather than for any political reason.

    Genocide is widely considered to be the epitome of human evil and is
    often referred to as the "crime of crimes"; consequently, events are
    often denounced as genocide.-+

    (Wikipedia)

    Hamas might like to commit Genocide on Israel, but they don't have the
    means. Terrorism, certainly. Although there is no formal definition of
    terrorism accepted internationally If you win, then what was terrorism
    gets whitewashed.

    I like, and use, the definition of "terrorism" in my "Concise Oxford Dictionary": "one who favours or uses terror-inspiring methords or
    governing or of coercing government or comm unity."

    Terrorism, in other words, is intimidation on steroids.

    By a group, not a government.

    For example, if Trump accuses Venezuela or North Korea of terrorism, he
    is lying.


    Israel committed terrorism when attempting to create their state. Like
    the bomb on the King David Hotel.

    And has continued to use it in their treatment of Gaza, and
    Palestinians generally.

    When a group obtains its goals, terrorism converts into patriotic war.
    The winners rewrite the history.



    Note: I cannot see what this has to do with either Windows 11 or
    Linux, but since if does have to do with the meaning of English words
    I am setting follow-ups to English usage groups.

    It is thread drift. As long as we keep it to one thread, it is trivial
    to filter it out permanently. If it appears in a separate post, it
    irates other people.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From Ross Clark@benlizro@ihug.co.nz to alt.usage.english,alt.english.usage on Tue Oct 14 09:24:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 13/10/2025 11:01 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-13 05:14, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 14:46:55 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-10-11 13:22, Chris wrote:
    -2Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their
    membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people.[a][1]
    Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term, defined genocide as "the
    destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group" by means such as "the
    disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its]
    culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic
    existence".[2] During the struggle to ratify the Genocide Convention,
    powerful countries restricted Lemkin's definition to exclude their own
    actions from being classified as genocide,[3][4] ultimately limiting it
    to any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in
    part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".[5] While there
    are many scholarly definitions of genocide,[6] almost all international
    bodies of law officially adjudicate the crime of genocide pursuant to
    the Genocide Convention.[7]

    Genocide has occurred throughout human history, even during prehistoric
    times, but it is particularly likely in situations of imperial expansion >>> and power consolidation. It is associated with colonial empires and
    settler colonies, as well as with both world wars and repressive
    governments in the twentieth century. The colloquial understanding of
    genocide is heavily influenced by the Holocaust as its archetype and is
    conceived as innocent victims being targeted for their ethnic identity
    rather than for any political reason.

    Genocide is widely considered to be the epitome of human evil and is
    often referred to as the "crime of crimes"; consequently, events are
    often denounced as genocide.-+

    (Wikipedia)

    Hamas might like to commit Genocide on Israel, but they don't have the
    means. Terrorism, certainly. Although there is no formal definition of
    terrorism accepted internationally If you win, then what was terrorism
    gets whitewashed.

    I like, and use, the definition of "terrorism" in my "Concise Oxford
    Dictionary": "one who favours or uses terror-inspiring methords or
    governing or of coercing government or comm unity."

    Terrorism, in other words, is intimidation on steroids.

    By a group, not a government.

    For example, if Trump accuses Venezuela or North Korea of terrorism, he
    is lying.

    So what's the proper term for when a government does it? "Special
    military operation"?



    Israel committed terrorism when attempting to create their state. Like
    the bomb on the King David Hotel.

    And has continued to use it in their treatment of Gaza, and
    Palestinians generally.

    When a group obtains its goals, terrorism converts into patriotic war.
    The winners rewrite the history.



    Note: I cannot see what this has to do with either Windows 11 or
    Linux, but since if does have to do with the meaning of English words
    I am setting follow-ups to English usage groups.

    It is thread drift. As long as we keep it to one thread, it is trivial
    to filter it out permanently. If it appears in a separate post, it
    irates other people.


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  • From Jeff Barnett@jbb@notatt.com to alt.usage.english,alt.english.usage on Mon Oct 13 15:05:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 10/13/2025 4:01 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-13 05:14, Steve Hayes wrote:

    Terrorism, in other words, is intimidation on steroids.

    By a group, not a government.
    This doesn't jibe with the way I've heard this word used during my
    lifetime (many, many years). "Terrorism" always seemed to refer to the
    type of tactics employed/deployed; not to who was doing the dirty deed.
    If the word actually is defined (and accepted) in the narrower sense,
    then most public (newscasters, panel discussions, lectures, etc.) and
    private (b.s. over a beer) I have heard/uttered included usage errors.
    --
    Jeff Barnett

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  • From Richard Heathfield@rjh@cpax.org.uk to alt.usage.english,alt.english.usage on Mon Oct 13 22:39:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 13/10/2025 22:05, Jeff Barnett wrote:
    On 10/13/2025 4:01 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-13 05:14, Steve Hayes wrote:

    Terrorism, in other words, is intimidation on steroids.

    By a group, not a government.

    Or an individual.

    Labour activist Walter Wolfgang, 82, was stopped by Police under
    the Terrorism Act after heckling Jack Straw.

    I'm sure Mr Straw was quivering in his boots.
    --
    Richard Heathfield
    Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
    "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
    Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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  • From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to alt.usage.english,alt.english.usage on Tue Oct 14 02:19:12 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:01:51 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-10-13 05:14, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 14:46:55 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-10-11 13:22, Chris wrote:
    -2Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their
    membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people.[a][1]
    Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term, defined genocide as "the
    destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group" by means such as "the
    disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its]
    culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic
    existence".[2] During the struggle to ratify the Genocide Convention,
    powerful countries restricted Lemkin's definition to exclude their own
    actions from being classified as genocide,[3][4] ultimately limiting it
    to any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in
    part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".[5] While there
    are many scholarly definitions of genocide,[6] almost all international
    bodies of law officially adjudicate the crime of genocide pursuant to
    the Genocide Convention.[7]

    Genocide has occurred throughout human history, even during prehistoric
    times, but it is particularly likely in situations of imperial expansion >>> and power consolidation. It is associated with colonial empires and
    settler colonies, as well as with both world wars and repressive
    governments in the twentieth century. The colloquial understanding of
    genocide is heavily influenced by the Holocaust as its archetype and is
    conceived as innocent victims being targeted for their ethnic identity
    rather than for any political reason.

    Genocide is widely considered to be the epitome of human evil and is
    often referred to as the "crime of crimes"; consequently, events are
    often denounced as genocide.-+

    (Wikipedia)

    Hamas might like to commit Genocide on Israel, but they don't have the
    means. Terrorism, certainly. Although there is no formal definition of
    terrorism accepted internationally If you win, then what was terrorism
    gets whitewashed.

    I like, and use, the definition of "terrorism" in my "Concise Oxford
    Dictionary": "one who favours or uses terror-inspiring methords or
    governing or of coercing government or comm unity."

    Terrorism, in other words, is intimidation on steroids.

    By a group, not a government.

    It includes terror-inspiring methods of *governing.

    For example, if Trump accuses Venezuela or North Korea of terrorism, he
    is lying.

    Trump's government is practising terrorism in the Caribbean.



    Israel committed terrorism when attempting to create their state. Like
    the bomb on the King David Hotel.

    And has continued to use it in their treatment of Gaza, and
    Palestinians generally.

    When a group obtains its goals, terrorism converts into patriotic war.
    The winners rewrite the history.



    Note: I cannot see what this has to do with either Windows 11 or
    Linux, but since if does have to do with the meaning of English words
    I am setting follow-ups to English usage groups.

    It is thread drift. As long as we keep it to one thread, it is trivial
    to filter it out permanently. If it appears in a separate post, it
    irates other people.

    There is no thread it drifted from. It just appeared, with the subject
    line "Genocide", out of nowhere.
    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to alt.usage.english,alt.english.usage on Tue Oct 14 02:26:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 22:39:45 +0100, Richard Heathfield
    <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

    On 13/10/2025 22:05, Jeff Barnett wrote:
    On 10/13/2025 4:01 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-13 05:14, Steve Hayes wrote:

    Terrorism, in other words, is intimidation on steroids.

    By a group, not a government.

    Or an individual.

    Labour activist Walter Wolfgang, 82, was stopped by Police under
    the Terrorism Act after heckling Jack Straw.

    I'm sure Mr Straw was quivering in his boots.

    The UK Terrorism Act seems to apply to people who are terrorising
    aeroplanes out of their wits.

    The South African Terrorism Act of 1967 was much the same -- an
    attempt to smear opponents of government policies as "terrorists".
    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Peter Moylan@peter@pmoylan.org to alt.usage.english,alt.english.usage on Tue Oct 14 11:46:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 14/10/25 11:26, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 22:39:45 +0100, Richard Heathfield
    <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

    On 13/10/2025 22:05, Jeff Barnett wrote:
    On 10/13/2025 4:01 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-13 05:14, Steve Hayes wrote:

    Terrorism, in other words, is intimidation on steroids.

    By a group, not a government.

    Or an individual.

    Labour activist Walter Wolfgang, 82, was stopped by Police under
    the Terrorism Act after heckling Jack Straw.

    I'm sure Mr Straw was quivering in his boots.

    The UK Terrorism Act seems to apply to people who are terrorising
    aeroplanes out of their wits.

    The South African Terrorism Act of 1967 was much the same -- an
    attempt to smear opponents of government policies as "terrorists".

    A number of governments have since followed a similar strategy. They
    introduce anti-terrorism laws, and then apply them in situations that
    have nothing to do with terrorism.
    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW
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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to alt.usage.english,alt.english.usage on Tue Oct 14 19:15:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 14/10/2025 01:46, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 14/10/25 11:26, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 22:39:45 +0100, Richard Heathfield
    <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

    On 13/10/2025 22:05, Jeff Barnett wrote:
    On 10/13/2025 4:01 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-13 05:14, Steve Hayes wrote:

    Terrorism, in other words, is intimidation on steroids.

    By a group, not a government.

    Or an individual.

    Labour activist Walter Wolfgang, 82, was stopped by Police under
    the Terrorism Act after heckling Jack Straw.

    I'm sure Mr Straw was quivering in his boots.

    The UK Terrorism Act seems to apply to people who are terrorising
    aeroplanes out of their wits.

    The South African Terrorism Act of 1967 was much the same -- an
    attempt to smear opponents of government policies as "terrorists".

    A number of governments have since followed a similar strategy. They introduce anti-terrorism laws, and then apply them in situations that
    have nothing to do with terrorism.

    Laws enacted on the principle "Never let a good crisis go to waste."
    --
    Sam Plusnet
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