• My nemesis, "alright"

    From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 12:41:49 2025
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    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life,
    heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead, everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one.

    There's also the dreadful "anymore," which is also written as one word
    while consistently pronounced as two; I've never heard anyone say it with
    the same cadence as "nevermore." I've also never seen anyone write
    "anylonger." Current guidelines say that I should accept "anymore" when
    "any longer" would also work, but not otherwise (e.g., "Bob doesn't work
    here anymore" is supposed to be okay, but "Is there anymore beer?" is
    not). I apply that when editing, but for my own writing, it's "any more."

    This has been on my mind lately because I've been testing AIs, and all
    of them write "alright" constantly. What do the rest of you make of
    this abomination? Do you allow it when editing? Do you use it yourself?


    Melissa




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  • From Tony Cooper@tonycooper214@gmail.com to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 12:49:53 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:41:49 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:


    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life, >heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead, >everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one.

    There's also the dreadful "anymore," which is also written as one word
    while consistently pronounced as two; I've never heard anyone say it with
    the same cadence as "nevermore." I've also never seen anyone write >"anylonger." Current guidelines say that I should accept "anymore" when
    "any longer" would also work, but not otherwise (e.g., "Bob doesn't work
    here anymore" is supposed to be okay, but "Is there anymore beer?" is
    not). I apply that when editing, but for my own writing, it's "any more."

    This has been on my mind lately because I've been testing AIs, and all
    of them write "alright" constantly. What do the rest of you make of
    this abomination? Do you allow it when editing? Do you use it yourself?


    Melissa

    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance, both are scored
    as 0.


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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@me@yahoo.com to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 19:16:23 2025
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    On 2025-10-10 16:41:49 +0000, The True Melissa said:

    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life, heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead, everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one.

    There's also the dreadful "anymore," which is also written as one word
    while consistently pronounced as two; I've never heard anyone say it with
    the same cadence as "nevermore." I've also never seen anyone write "anylonger." Current guidelines say that I should accept "anymore" when
    "any longer" would also work, but not otherwise (e.g., "Bob doesn't work
    here anymore" is supposed to be okay, but "Is there anymore beer?" is
    not). I apply that when editing, but for my own writing, it's "any more."

    This has been on my mind lately because I've been testing AIs, and all
    of them write "alright" constantly. What do the rest of you make of
    this abomination? Do you allow it when editing? Do you use it yourself?``

    I agree with everything you say.
    --
    Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 38 years; mainly
    in England until 1987.

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  • From wollman@wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 18:10:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    In article <MPG.435301576dba53fe9896d4@news.eternal-september.org>,
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    Generally agreed, but the very personal hill-I-will-die-on is "wax
    paper". It is not paper that is made of wax. It is not paper *for*
    wax. It is paper *to which wax has been applied*, that is, *waxed*
    paper. The French have it right, with "papier cir|-". Drives me nuts
    every time I open the kitchen drawer where I keep the stuff.

    (By this logic, Lidia Bastianich's malapropism "plastic paper"[1] would
    be perfectly OK, but it's still "plastic wrap" to me.)

    -GAWollman

    [1] I think. Or maybe it was "plastic foil"?
    --
    Garrett A. Wollman | "Act to avoid constraining the future; if you can, wollman@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together."
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  • From Phil@phil@anonymous.invalid to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 19:56:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 10/10/2025 19:10, Garrett Wollman wrote:
    In article <MPG.435301576dba53fe9896d4@news.eternal-september.org>,
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    Generally agreed, but the very personal hill-I-will-die-on is "wax
    paper". It is not paper that is made of wax. It is not paper *for*
    wax. It is paper *to which wax has been applied*, that is, *waxed*
    paper. The French have it right, with "papier cir|-". Drives me nuts
    every time I open the kitchen drawer where I keep the stuff.

    (By this logic, Lidia Bastianich's malapropism "plastic paper"[1] would
    be perfectly OK, but it's still "plastic wrap" to me.)

    -GAWollman

    [1] I think. Or maybe it was "plastic foil"?


    For me, it's "fine toothcomb". A toothcomb, wikipedia tells me, is a
    thing -- it's "a dental structure found in some mammals, comprising a
    group of front teeth arranged in a manner that facilitates grooming" --
    but in everyday usage I reckon people always mean "fine-toothed comb".

    That said, I find that a Google ngram shows that "fine toothcomb", "fine tooth-comb" (even worse) have declined since about 2012, and
    "fine-toothed comb", "fine-tooth comb" have risen sharply since the
    1990s and are now the more common expressions. Good.
    --
    Phil B

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  • From lar3ryca@larry@invalid.ca to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 13:01:55 2025
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    On 2025-10-10 10:41, The True Melissa wrote:

    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life, heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead, everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one.

    I pronounce "all right" and 'alright' identically, and if I'm not paying
    a lot of attention, both come out as 'awright

    There's also the dreadful "anymore," which is also written as one word
    while consistently pronounced as two; I've never heard anyone say it with
    the same cadence as "nevermore."

    Same as 'alright' for me, minus any mispronunciation when not paying attention.

    What bother me about anymore is when people use it at the beginning of a sentence. I have heard quite a few people say something like:
    "Anymore you can't buy lawn darts."

    I've also never seen anyone write
    "anylonger." Current guidelines say that I should accept "anymore" when
    "any longer" would also work, but not otherwise (e.g., "Bob doesn't work
    here anymore" is supposed to be okay, but "Is there anymore beer?" is
    not). I apply that when editing, but for my own writing, it's "any more."

    I don't think I've ever seen 'any longer' written as one word.

    This has been on my mind lately because I've been testing AIs, and all
    of them write "alright" constantly. What do the rest of you make of
    this abomination? Do you allow it when editing? Do you use it yourself?

    Only if, by 'it', you mean LLM AIs, then now, I don't use them.
    --
    I gave away some dead batteries... free of charge!

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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 21:05:05 2025
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    Den 10.10.2025 kl. 18.41 skrev The True Melissa:

    There's also the dreadful "anymore," which is also written as one word
    while consistently pronounced as two; I've never heard anyone say it with
    the same cadence as "nevermore." I've also never seen anyone write "anylonger." Current guidelines say that I should accept "anymore" when
    "any longer" would also work, but not otherwise (e.g., "Bob doesn't work
    here anymore" is supposed to be okay, but "Is there anymore beer?" is
    not). I apply that when editing, but for my own writing, it's "any more."

    I think that I write two words.

    This has been on my mind lately because I've been testing AIs, and all
    of them write "alright" constantly. What do the rest of you make of
    this abomination? Do you allow it when editing? Do you use it yourself?

    I speak and write one word.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@kehoea@parhasard.net to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 20:31:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english


    Ar an deichi|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh The True Melissa:

    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life, heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead, everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one.

    There's also the dreadful "anymore," which is also written as one word
    while consistently pronounced as two; I've never heard anyone say it with the same cadence as "nevermore." I've also never seen anyone write "anylonger." Current guidelines say that I should accept "anymore" when
    "any longer" would also work, but not otherwise (e.g., "Bob doesn't work here anymore" is supposed to be okay, but "Is there anymore beer?" is
    not). I apply that when editing, but for my own writing, it's "any more."

    This has been on my mind lately because I've been testing AIs, and all
    of them write "alright" constantly. What do the rest of you make of
    this abomination? Do you allow it when editing? Do you use it yourself?

    I use it myself and think that ship has sailed about as definitively as has the use of rCLdatarCY as a plural in IT circles. I agree with your logic, but usage is
    about convention, which often pays heed to logic and often doesnrCOt.

    I have no objection to your approach to rCLany morerCY in your own writing and would have no strong feelings if an editor changed an rCLanymorerCY I had written
    to rCLany more.rCY I would, I expect, be very mildly annoyed if an editor changed
    rCLalrightrCY to rCLall rightrCY in my writing, but donrCOt plan to have anything
    professionally published in the next decade or so.
    --
    rCyAs I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stoutrCO
    (C. Moore)
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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 21:26:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 10/10/2025 17:49, Tony Cooper wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:41:49 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:


    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life,
    heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead,
    everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one. >>
    There's also the dreadful "anymore," which is also written as one word
    while consistently pronounced as two; I've never heard anyone say it with
    the same cadence as "nevermore." I've also never seen anyone write
    "anylonger." Current guidelines say that I should accept "anymore" when
    "any longer" would also work, but not otherwise (e.g., "Bob doesn't work
    here anymore" is supposed to be okay, but "Is there anymore beer?" is
    not). I apply that when editing, but for my own writing, it's "any more."

    This has been on my mind lately because I've been testing AIs, and all
    of them write "alright" constantly. What do the rest of you make of
    this abomination? Do you allow it when editing? Do you use it yourself?


    Melissa

    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance, both are scored
    as 0.

    That's fine. Linguistic caltrops are a very individual thing.
    --
    Sam Plusnet
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  • From Rich Ulrich@rich.ulrich@comcast.net to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 16:40:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:41:49 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:


    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I have never written 'alright' and I don't expect to. It looks borderline-uneducated to me. I suppose I object least when
    it is a standalone sentence, the interjection, "Alright!" when it
    is not a patient, spread out, two word statement.

    On the other hand, I haven't seen it much lately. If it were
    showing up often, I would give it more thought.


    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life, >heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead, >everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one.

    There's also the dreadful "anymore," which is also written as one word
    while consistently pronounced as two; I've never heard anyone say it with
    the same cadence as "nevermore." I've also never seen anyone write >"anylonger." Current guidelines say that I should accept "anymore" when
    "any longer" would also work, but not otherwise (e.g., "Bob doesn't work
    here anymore" is supposed to be okay, but "Is there anymore beer?" is
    not). I apply that when editing, but for my own writing, it's "any more."

    I have written 'any more' as two words, most the time. But I'm aware
    of the guidelines and I've tried the one word version, when it suits.
    Okay, I might commit to the guidelines. Wait and see.


    This has been on my mind lately because I've been testing AIs, and all
    of them write "alright" constantly. What do the rest of you make of
    this abomination? Do you allow it when editing? Do you use it yourself?

    --
    Rich Ulrich
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  • From Silvano@Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 22:55:14 2025
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    Tony Cooper hat am 10.10.2025 um 18:49 geschrieben:
    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance, both are scored
    as 0.


    Is 0 the lowest or the highest value for annoyance?

    Just asking, because German school notes go from 1 (excellent) to 6
    (failed) and I was very careful to make sure that my young children
    never spoke proudly to my Italian mother about their 1 notes. In Italy,
    10 is the best (you'll hardly ever get it) and 1 is just a tick better
    than 0 (actually, you'll never get it - the lowest conceivable note in
    Italy was 2, when I went to school there).
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  • From Tony Cooper@tonycooper214@gmail.com to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 17:31:46 2025
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    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 22:55:14 +0200, Silvano
    <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:

    Tony Cooper hat am 10.10.2025 um 18:49 geschrieben:
    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance, both are scored
    as 0.


    Is 0 the lowest or the highest value for annoyance?

    Just asking, because German school notes go from 1 (excellent) to 6
    (failed) and I was very careful to make sure that my young children
    never spoke proudly to my Italian mother about their 1 notes. In Italy,
    10 is the best (you'll hardly ever get it) and 1 is just a tick better
    than 0 (actually, you'll never get it - the lowest conceivable note in
    Italy was 2, when I went to school there).

    My "0" indicates no interest at all. It really doesn't matter to me
    if people use the wrong format of words or even wrong words like
    "epicenter" if I know what they mean. I would find it more annoying
    if a person corrected another person's usage when in personal
    conversation.

    In conversation, I am bothered by people who add "Do you know what I
    mean" after a comment, start out comments with "Actually,", and
    consisitantly include space-takers like those.

    I have an acquaintance who often starts his comments with "In my
    humble opinion...". He's the least-humble person I know. Fucking know-it-all.

    "Close talkers" and people who touch me when speaking to me are high
    on my Annoyance Scale. I'm not fond of hugs, either. (My wife is an
    exception the touching and hugging bits.)



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  • From wollman@wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 21:42:49 2025
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    In article <10cbrrj$b2m2$1@dont-email.me>,
    Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
    Tony Cooper hat am 10.10.2025 um 18:49 geschrieben:
    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance, both are scored
    as 0.


    Is 0 the lowest or the highest value for annoyance?

    In American "masculinist" culture, a "10" is the most beautiful woman imaginable.

    Just asking, because German school notes go from 1 (excellent) to 6

    We say "grades"; I think the BrE is "marks"?

    American grades go from A+ to D-, then F (failed). How these
    interconvert with numerical scores varies a lot between teachers and institutions; for percentage scores, I recall A as being >90%, B >80%,
    C >70%, but sometimes they are assigned based on an assumed normal[1] distribution, so C (or C+) is the mean, B is plus one sigma, A is plus
    two sigma, and so on. Sometimes letter grades have a less
    quantitative basis than that, but there's also a huge pressure never
    to fail any student unless they just don't turn anything in.

    There is in addition something called a "grade point average" which
    converts the letter grades back to numbers for the purpose of summary statistics, and there are two different schemes for this (basically
    depending on whether a D counts for anything or not). The more common
    system is A = 4.0, B = 3.0, and so on, with a plus or minus adding or subtracting 0.3 points. If you hear someone described as "a 4.0
    student" in AmE that's the same as saying a "straight-A student", that
    is, an underchallenged student who got perfect marks on everything
    (and probably also overcoddled, from a rich family who paid for
    outside tutoring and who were not afraid to go into the school and
    argue for higher grades for their precious Buffy).

    -GAWollman

    [1] Which may not actually be a valid assumption, but how many
    teachers bothered to do even basic distribution identification?
    Another common practice was to "curve" the numerical score, so that
    (say) 50% correct would receive a 70.
    --
    Garrett A. Wollman | "Act to avoid constraining the future; if you can, wollman@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together."
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  • From Richard Heathfield@rjh@cpax.org.uk to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 22:52:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 10/10/2025 22:42, Garrett Wollman wrote:
    In article <10cbrrj$b2m2$1@dont-email.me>,
    Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
    Tony Cooper hat am 10.10.2025 um 18:49 geschrieben:
    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance, both are scored
    as 0.


    Is 0 the lowest or the highest value for annoyance?

    In American "masculinist" culture, a "10" is the most beautiful woman imaginable.

    So presumably a 1 is enough to launch a hundred ships.
    --
    Richard Heathfield
    Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
    "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
    Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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  • From Tony Cooper@tonycooper214@gmail.com to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 18:46:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 21:42:49 -0000 (UTC),
    wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote:

    In article <10cbrrj$b2m2$1@dont-email.me>,
    Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
    Tony Cooper hat am 10.10.2025 um 18:49 geschrieben:
    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance, both are scored
    as 0.


    Is 0 the lowest or the highest value for annoyance?

    In American "masculinist" culture, a "10" is the most beautiful woman >imaginable.

    Just asking, because German school notes go from 1 (excellent) to 6

    We say "grades"; I think the BrE is "marks"?

    American grades go from A+ to D-, then F (failed). How these
    interconvert with numerical scores varies a lot between teachers and >institutions; for percentage scores, I recall A as being >90%, B >80%,
    C >70%, but sometimes they are assigned based on an assumed normal[1] >distribution, so C (or C+) is the mean, B is plus one sigma, A is plus
    two sigma, and so on. Sometimes letter grades have a less
    quantitative basis than that, but there's also a huge pressure never
    to fail any student unless they just don't turn anything in.

    There is in addition something called a "grade point average" which
    converts the letter grades back to numbers for the purpose of summary >statistics, and there are two different schemes for this (basically
    depending on whether a D counts for anything or not). The more common
    system is A = 4.0, B = 3.0, and so on, with a plus or minus adding or >subtracting 0.3 points. If you hear someone described as "a 4.0
    student" in AmE that's the same as saying a "straight-A student", that
    is, an underchallenged student who got perfect marks on everything
    (and probably also overcoddled, from a rich family who paid for
    outside tutoring and who were not afraid to go into the school and
    argue for higher grades for their precious Buffy).

    That may be true for the recent generations, but - at one time - a
    student could be "straight-A student" and have genuinely earned all
    A's.

    In my generation, students in both college and universities (that I
    know of) were given the actual grades they deserved. Teachers were
    not pressured to over-grade or let students slide. I didn't know
    anyone who had a tutor in high school or a parent who contacted a
    school about their child's grades.

    At Indiana University('56 to '60) I never had a course where the prof over-graded. There were "easy A" courses available, but no core
    course was over-graded.

    I graduated with a 3.something, and the A's were all earned and the
    B's and C's all deserved. I dropped "Business and Economic Data"
    (statistics) before the end of the semester to avoid a D or F, but
    managed to re-take it the next semester for sigh-of-relief C.

    Drifting a bit...my two eldest grandsons are both in college carrying
    full loads. (a Junior and a Senior) This semester, one has no classes
    that where attendance if required (all can be completed on-line) and
    the other has only one course where he attends a class. Both are
    attending tuition-free on scholarships.

    I feel they are losing out on the "college experience", but they don't
    see it that way.




    [1] Which may not actually be a valid assumption, but how many
    teachers bothered to do even basic distribution identification?
    Another common practice was to "curve" the numerical score, so that
    (say) 50% correct would receive a 70.
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  • From Rich Ulrich@rich.ulrich@comcast.net to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 19:08:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 21:42:49 -0000 (UTC),
    wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote:

    In article <10cbrrj$b2m2$1@dont-email.me>,
    Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
    Tony Cooper hat am 10.10.2025 um 18:49 geschrieben:
    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance, both are scored
    as 0.


    Is 0 the lowest or the highest value for annoyance?

    In American "masculinist" culture, a "10" is the most beautiful woman >imaginable.

    The 1979 movie "10" featured Dudley Moore and Bo Derek and
    likely made it a meme. Ten for "tops" was promoted by Olympics
    gymnastics -- I Google that the college sport might still score that
    way, but the Olympics changed to a different system in 2006.

    BTW, I've always figured that the movie version of '10' was
    a bit ironic: Bo Derek was attractive, like an 8, but with a gimmick
    (unusual braids). 'Ten' is the reaction of someone obsessed.



    Just asking, because German school notes go from 1 (excellent) to 6

    We say "grades"; I think the BrE is "marks"?

    American grades go from A+ to D-, then F (failed). How these
    interconvert with numerical scores varies a lot between teachers and >institutions; for percentage scores, I recall A as being >90%, B >80%,
    C >70%,

    My el-hi teachers were solidly committed to the 10-point intervals.
    I believe that their ad-hoc solution to "grades that are too low" was
    to pad a test with stupidly easy questions.

    As a professional data analyst, I see better sense in drawing the
    line between letters at the places where there are gaps in the
    scores. And as a consultant on 'making sense' of data, I would
    recommend ignoring the 10-point ranges: How much do the people
    know?


    but sometimes they are assigned based on an assumed normal[1] >distribution, so C (or C+) is the mean, B is plus one sigma, A is plus
    two sigma, and so on.

    "Grading on the curve" is the term. But actually referencing the
    normal distribution is (I think) extremely rare.

    Sometimes letter grades have a less
    quantitative basis than that, but there's also a huge pressure never
    to fail any student unless they just don't turn anything in.

    There is in addition something called a "grade point average" which
    converts the letter grades back to numbers for the purpose of summary >statistics, and there are two different schemes for this (basically
    depending on whether a D counts for anything or not). The more common
    system is A = 4.0, B = 3.0, and so on, with a plus or minus adding or >subtracting 0.3 points. If you hear someone described as "a 4.0
    student" in AmE that's the same as saying a "straight-A student", that
    is, an underchallenged student who got perfect marks on everything

    One acquaintence from the freshman year at college (1965) came from
    a competitive school where the valedictorian had an average of 4.2.
    Bonus points were awarded for Advanced Placement courses, and
    maybe some other way. I don't know if there were penalties for easy
    courses, but Craig taught himself to type (80 wpm) because taking
    typing would have brought down his average.


    (and probably also overcoddled, from a rich family who paid for
    outside tutoring and who were not afraid to go into the school and
    argue for higher grades for their precious Buffy).


    I saw an article just a few days ago, saying that students at Harvard
    were being given A's for hardly doing anything. They call it
    "Grade inflation."

    Ask Google: (about, worse in high school or college)

    Grade inflation appears to be a significant issue at both the
    college and high school levels, but recent trends suggest it might
    be more severe in college, particularly at selective institutions.
    Also, further down,

    Trend:
    The average GPA has risen by over 16% at four-year public and
    non-profit universities between 1990 and 2020, and "A" is now the
    most common grade awarded.

    -GAWollman

    [1] Which may not actually be a valid assumption, but how many
    teachers bothered to do even basic distribution identification?
    Another common practice was to "curve" the numerical score, so that
    (say) 50% correct would receive a 70.
    --
    Rich Ulrich
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  • From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 05:32:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:41:49 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:


    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life, >heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead, >everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one.

    While you're at it, one could also mention "alot", which usually makes
    me pause to work out whether is a misspelling of "allot" or a
    conjuction of "a lot".

    There's also the dreadful "anymore," which is also written as one word
    while consistently pronounced as two; I've never heard anyone say it with
    the same cadence as "nevermore." I've also never seen anyone write >"anylonger." Current guidelines say that I should accept "anymore" when
    "any longer" would also work, but not otherwise (e.g., "Bob doesn't work
    here anymore" is supposed to be okay, but "Is there anymore beer?" is
    not). I apply that when editing, but for my own writing, it's "any more."

    This has been on my mind lately because I've been testing AIs, and all
    of them write "alright" constantly. What do the rest of you make of
    this abomination? Do you allow it when editing? Do you use it yourself?

    AIs get their word patterns from stuff people wrote.

    In my own writing I usually write those words disjunctively.

    If I don't, it's usually a typo (didn't press the space bar hard
    enough), and spelling checkers usually pick up the errors for me. Why
    didn't they in the stuff that's fed to AI?
    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 05:43:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:56:03 +0100, Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid>
    wrote:

    That said, I find that a Google ngram shows that "fine toothcomb", "fine >tooth-comb" (even worse) have declined since about 2012, and
    "fine-toothed comb", "fine-tooth comb" have risen sharply since the
    1990s and are now the more common expressions. Good.

    I have noticed that Alexander Armstrong, the host of the "Pointless"
    quiz show on TV, has been trained to say "fewer" rather than "less"
    when referring to numbers. When I first went to the UK in 1966 I
    noticed that as one of the differences between BrE and SAfE -- the
    former's "less" was the latter's "fewer". Something seems to be
    changing there.

    But Alexander Armstrong still hasn't learned that a podum is something
    you step on to rather than step up to.
    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 05:45:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:41:49 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:


    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life, >heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead, >everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one.

    But isn't a "nemesis" something that comes back to bite you rather
    than something you simply loathe?
    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 22:46:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Steve Hayes is guilty of <3lkjektl7vakoulg2la8pjrnk56e7ka3s1@4ax.com>
    as of 10/10/2025 8:45:57 PM
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:41:49 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:


    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life,
    heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead,
    everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one.

    But isn't a "nemesis" something that comes back to bite you rather
    than something you simply loathe?

    I thought a nemesis was something that pursued you ... originally to administer a punishment.

    /dps
    --
    Why would I want to be alone with my thoughts?
    Have you heard some of the shit that comes out of my mouth?
    -- the World Wide Web
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  • From lar3ryca@larry@invalid.ca to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 23:52:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 2025-10-10 15:52, Richard Heathfield wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 22:42, Garrett Wollman wrote:
    In article <10cbrrj$b2m2$1@dont-email.me>,
    Silvano-a <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
    Tony Cooper hat am 10.10.2025 um 18:49 geschrieben:
    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance, both are scored >>>> as 0.


    Is 0 the lowest or the highest value for annoyance?

    In American "masculinist" culture, a "10" is the most beautiful woman
    imaginable.

    So presumably a 1 is enough to launch a hundred ships.

    Of course. It's a centiHelen.
    --
    I wondered where the sun was. Then it dawned on me.

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  • From lar3ryca@larry@invalid.ca to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 00:08:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 2025-10-10 13:05, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 10.10.2025 kl. 18.41 skrev The True Melissa:

    There's also the dreadful "anymore," which is also written as one word
    while consistently pronounced as two; I've never heard anyone say it with
    the same cadence as "nevermore." I've also never seen anyone write
    "anylonger." Current guidelines say that I should accept "anymore" when
    "any longer" would also work, but not otherwise (e.g., "Bob doesn't work
    here anymore" is supposed to be okay, but "Is there anymore beer?" is
    not). I apply that when editing, but for my own writing, it's "any more."

    I think that I write two words.

    This has been on my mind lately because I've been testing AIs, and all
    of them write "alright" constantly. What do the rest of you make of
    this abomination? Do you allow it when editing? Do you use it yourself?

    I speak and write one word.

    I tend to use the written single word version when I mean "it's OK", or
    "it's good", when I mean "it's acceptable, not REALLY great, but good
    enough".

    If I use the written two word version when I am referring to multiple
    things that are correct.
    --
    Bull behind a tapestry: You can't see the taurus for the frieze.

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@kehoea@parhasard.net to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 07:12:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english


    Ar an t-aon|| l|i d|-ag de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Steve Hayes:

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:41:49 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:


    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life, >heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead, >everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one.

    But isn't a "nemesis" something that comes back to bite you rather
    than something you simply loathe?

    Yes. Or rCLan instance of retributive justice;rCY Melissa has sinned in an minor
    and low-severity way and this is the universe taking its proportionate minor punishment.
    --
    rCyAs I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stoutrCO
    (C. Moore)
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  • From lar3ryca@larry@invalid.ca to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 00:14:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 2025-10-10 21:32, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:41:49 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:


    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life,
    heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead,
    everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one.

    While you're at it, one could also mention "alot", which usually makes
    me pause to work out whether is a misspelling of "allot" or a
    conjuction of "a lot".

    There's also the dreadful "anymore," which is also written as one word
    while consistently pronounced as two; I've never heard anyone say it with
    the same cadence as "nevermore." I've also never seen anyone write
    "anylonger." Current guidelines say that I should accept "anymore" when
    "any longer" would also work, but not otherwise (e.g., "Bob doesn't work
    here anymore" is supposed to be okay, but "Is there anymore beer?" is
    not). I apply that when editing, but for my own writing, it's "any more."

    This has been on my mind lately because I've been testing AIs, and all
    of them write "alright" constantly. What do the rest of you make of
    this abomination? Do you allow it when editing? Do you use it yourself?

    AIs get their word patterns from stuff people wrote.

    In my own writing I usually write those words disjunctively.

    If I don't, it's usually a typo (didn't press the space bar hard
    enough), and spelling checkers usually pick up the errors for me. Why
    didn't they in the stuff that's fed to AI?

    They didn't because they don't curate what is fed to many (most?) of the current crop of publicly available AIs. They tend to just grab anything
    that seems relevant to the task, without any actual knowledge of it's provenance. This is precisely the reason I don't bother with them.
    --
    The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poly', meaning 'many'
    and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'.

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  • From Peter Moylan@peter@pmoylan.org to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 17:19:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 11/10/25 03:41, The True Melissa wrote:

    I*cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    How do you feel about the frontseat and backseat of a car?
    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW
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  • From Richard Heathfield@rjh@cpax.org.uk to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 08:27:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 11/10/2025 07:19, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 11/10/25 03:41, The True Melissa wrote:

    I*cannot*-a *stand*-a "alright," and I will write "all right"
    until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    How do you feel about the frontseat and backseat of a car?

    I think Melissa is right not to stand; the traffic cops might not
    understand, not even if you're in the back.
    --
    Richard Heathfield
    Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
    "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
    Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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  • From Adam Funk@a24061@ducksburg.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 13:18:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 2025-10-10, The True Melissa wrote:


    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life, heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead, everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one.

    There's also the dreadful "anymore," which is also written as one word
    while consistently pronounced as two; I've never heard anyone say it with
    the same cadence as "nevermore." I've also never seen anyone write "anylonger." Current guidelines say that I should accept "anymore" when
    "any longer" would also work, but not otherwise (e.g., "Bob doesn't work
    here anymore" is supposed to be okay, but "Is there anymore beer?" is
    not). I apply that when editing, but for my own writing, it's "any more."

    This has been on my mind lately because I've been testing AIs, and all
    of them write "alright" constantly. What do the rest of you make of
    this abomination? Do you allow it when editing? Do you use it yourself?


    It used to annoy me (a long time ago) until I thought about it
    logically and compared it with "already" & "altogether".

    "How did I do on the test?"

    "Alright." vs "All right."

    They are pronounced differently and have different meanings.
    --
    "Gonzo, is that the contract from the devil?"
    "No, Kermit, it's worse than that. This is the bill from special
    effects."
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  • From Adam Funk@a24061@ducksburg.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 13:19:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 2025-10-11, lar3ryca wrote:

    On 2025-10-10 15:52, Richard Heathfield wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 22:42, Garrett Wollman wrote:
    In article <10cbrrj$b2m2$1@dont-email.me>,
    Silvano-a <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
    Tony Cooper hat am 10.10.2025 um 18:49 geschrieben:
    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance, both are scored >>>>> as 0.


    Is 0 the lowest or the highest value for annoyance?

    In American "masculinist" culture, a "10" is the most beautiful woman
    imaginable.

    So presumably a 1 is enough to launch a hundred ships.

    Of course. It's a centiHelen.

    ITYM a deciHelen.
    --
    This was the story of Howard Beale: The first known instance of a man
    who was killed because he had lousy ratings.
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  • From richard@richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 12:49:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    In article <10cbukp$1nrg$1@usenet.csail.mit.edu>,
    Garrett Wollman <wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> wrote:

    Just asking, because German school notes go from 1 (excellent) to 6

    We say "grades"; I think the BrE is "marks"?

    No... marks are a score on a test - how many you get right, or a
    percentage or similar. Hence "full marks". Grades are usually
    something like A-F or 1-6.

    If your mark on an exam was 90 out of 100 your grade would probably be
    an A.

    -- Richard
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  • From charles@charles@candehope.me.uk to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 13:45:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    In article <10cdjoi$dfcd$1@artemis.inf.ed.ac.uk>,
    Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
    In article <10cbukp$1nrg$1@usenet.csail.mit.edu>,
    Garrett Wollman <wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> wrote:

    Just asking, because German school notes go from 1 (excellent) to 6

    We say "grades"; I think the BrE is "marks"?

    No... marks are a score on a test - how many you get right, or a
    percentage or similar. Hence "full marks". Grades are usually
    something like A-F or 1-6.

    If your mark on an exam was 90 out of 100 your grade would probably be
    an A.

    -- Richard

    I will ask: What happens when you get 101% in an A level paper (don't ask -
    it was a Maths paper)
    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4to#
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@me@yahoo.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 16:04:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 2025-10-11 13:45:03 +0000, charles said:

    In article <10cdjoi$dfcd$1@artemis.inf.ed.ac.uk>,
    Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
    In article <10cbukp$1nrg$1@usenet.csail.mit.edu>,
    Garrett Wollman <wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> wrote:

    Just asking, because German school notes go from 1 (excellent) to 6

    We say "grades"; I think the BrE is "marks"?

    No... marks are a score on a test - how many you get right, or a
    percentage or similar. Hence "full marks". Grades are usually
    something like A-F or 1-6.

    If your mark on an exam was 90 out of 100 your grade would probably be
    an A.

    -- Richard

    I will ask: What happens when you get 101% in an A level paper (don't ask - it was a Maths paper)

    I got 101% on an O level paper, and again, it was maths paper. I think
    it could arise if you gave an answer to a problem that was not only
    correct but was perceived to be better than the model answer.
    --
    Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 38 years; mainly
    in England until 1987.

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  • From charles@charles@candehope.me.uk to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 14:45:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    In article <10cdo4r$qhe7$1@dont-email.me>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
    <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2025-10-11 13:45:03 +0000, charles said:

    In article <10cdjoi$dfcd$1@artemis.inf.ed.ac.uk>, Richard Tobin
    <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
    In article <10cbukp$1nrg$1@usenet.csail.mit.edu>, Garrett Wollman
    <wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> wrote:

    Just asking, because German school notes go from 1 (excellent) to 6

    We say "grades"; I think the BrE is "marks"?

    No... marks are a score on a test - how many you get right, or a
    percentage or similar. Hence "full marks". Grades are usually
    something like A-F or 1-6.

    If your mark on an exam was 90 out of 100 your grade would probably be
    an A.

    -- Richard

    I will ask: What happens when you get 101% in an A level paper (don't
    ask - it was a Maths paper)

    I got 101% on an O level paper, and again, it was maths paper. I think
    it could arise if you gave an answer to a problem that was not only
    correct but was perceived to be better than the model answer.

    In my case: 8 questions each gaining 32 marks would give a maximum of 256. However, before the days of pocket calculators, somebody decided it was
    easier to percentage the marks out of 250. I got 252; a classmate 254.
    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4to#
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 16:50:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 11.10.2025 kl. 16.45 skrev charles:

    In my case: 8 questions each gaining 32 marks would give a maximum of 256. However, before the days of pocket calculators, somebody decided it was easier to percentage the marks out of 250. I got 252; a classmate 254.

    So the math censors couldn't compute percentages?
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 19:54:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 11/10/2025 07:19, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 11/10/25 03:41, The True Melissa wrote:

    I*cannot*-a *stand*-a "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die. >> I also correct it while I'm editing.

    How do you feel about the frontseat and backseat of a car?

    Some in the US would take a shotgun to the offender.
    --
    Sam Plusnet
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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 19:59:53 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 11/10/2025 13:18, Adam Funk wrote:
    On 2025-10-10, The True Melissa wrote:


    I *cannot* *stand* "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die.
    I also correct it while I'm editing.

    I think the root of my loathing is that I have never, in my entire life,
    heard anyone pronounce it as one word to rhyme with "Allbright." Instead,
    everyone sensibly says it as two words, but many sloppily write it as one. >>
    There's also the dreadful "anymore," which is also written as one word
    while consistently pronounced as two; I've never heard anyone say it with
    the same cadence as "nevermore." I've also never seen anyone write
    "anylonger." Current guidelines say that I should accept "anymore" when
    "any longer" would also work, but not otherwise (e.g., "Bob doesn't work
    here anymore" is supposed to be okay, but "Is there anymore beer?" is
    not). I apply that when editing, but for my own writing, it's "any more."

    This has been on my mind lately because I've been testing AIs, and all
    of them write "alright" constantly. What do the rest of you make of
    this abomination? Do you allow it when editing? Do you use it yourself?


    It used to annoy me (a long time ago) until I thought about it
    logically and compared it with "already" & "altogether".

    "How did I do on the test?"

    "Alright." vs "All right."

    They are pronounced differently and have different meanings.

    I think you have the right answer.
    In reported speech, it is perfectly ok to use "alright" if that is what
    the person said (or would have said if you are creating dialogue).
    --
    Sam Plusnet
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  • From lar3ryca@larry@invalid.ca to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 15:48:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 2025-10-11 06:19, Adam Funk wrote:
    On 2025-10-11, lar3ryca wrote:

    On 2025-10-10 15:52, Richard Heathfield wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 22:42, Garrett Wollman wrote:
    In article <10cbrrj$b2m2$1@dont-email.me>,
    Silvano-a <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
    Tony Cooper hat am 10.10.2025 um 18:49 geschrieben:
    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance, both are scored >>>>>> as 0.


    Is 0 the lowest or the highest value for annoyance?

    In American "masculinist" culture, a "10" is the most beautiful woman
    imaginable.

    So presumably a 1 is enough to launch a hundred ships.

    Of course. It's a centiHelen.

    ITYM a deciHelen.

    I should have been more specific.

    A 10 is a centiHelen.
    A 1 is a milliHelen.
    --
    Why was I was the only naked person at the gender reveal party?

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  • From lar3ryca@larry@invalid.ca to alt.usage.english on Sat Oct 11 15:51:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 2025-10-11 00:19, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 11/10/25 03:41, The True Melissa wrote:

    I*cannot*-a *stand*-a "alright," and I will write "all right" until I die. >> I also correct it while I'm editing.

    How do you feel about the frontseat and backseat of a car?

    It depends on whether on not the redlight is red, amber, or green.
    --
    I used to think I was indecisive, but now IrCOm not quite sure.

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  • From Peter Moylan@peter@pmoylan.org to alt.usage.english on Sun Oct 12 10:15:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 11/10/25 23:49, Richard Tobin wrote:
    In article <10cbukp$1nrg$1@usenet.csail.mit.edu>, Garrett Wollman <wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> wrote:

    Just asking, because German school notes go from 1 (excellent)
    to 6

    We say "grades"; I think the BrE is "marks"?

    No... marks are a score on a test - how many you get right, or a
    percentage or similar. Hence "full marks". Grades are usually
    something like A-F or 1-6.

    If your mark on an exam was 90 out of 100 your grade would probably
    be an A.

    My university, and I think other Australian universities, gave up using
    grades some time ago. When I was an undergraduate, the grades for a
    subject were High Distinction, Distinction, Credit, Pass, and Fail.
    Ultimately, at least in faculties like Engineering, those grades
    determined whether one got an Honours degree or a Pass degree.

    At some stage, we in engineering at Newcastle University decided that
    this system was too "chunky" and statistically questionable. Example: a
    mark of 65 gave you a Credit grade, and a mark of 64 gave a Pass, but in reality 64 and 65 are almost the same mark. We therefore introduced a
    system where the recorded grade in a subject was a mark in the range
    0..100. A weighted average of these marks, over all subjects, determined
    what grade of Honours would be awarded. It also determined things like
    prizes for an outstanding record, and whether a student would be
    expelled for poor progress.

    That was quite a few years ago now, so no doubt the system has been
    changed again.
    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW
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  • From Richard Heathfield@rjh@cpax.org.uk to alt.usage.english on Sun Oct 12 07:59:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 11/10/2025 22:48, lar3ryca wrote:
    On 2025-10-11 06:19, Adam Funk wrote:
    On 2025-10-11, lar3ryca wrote:

    On 2025-10-10 15:52, Richard Heathfield wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 22:42, Garrett Wollman wrote:
    In article <10cbrrj$b2m2$1@dont-email.me>,
    Silvano-a <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
    Tony Cooper hat am 10.10.2025 um 18:49 geschrieben:
    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance,
    both are scored
    as 0.


    Is 0 the lowest or the highest value for annoyance?

    In American "masculinist" culture, a "10" is the most
    beautiful woman
    imaginable.

    So presumably a 1 is enough to launch a hundred ships.

    Of course. It's a centiHelen.

    ITYM a deciHelen.

    I should have been more specific.

    A 10 is a centiHelen.
    A 1 is a milliHelen.

    No, a 10 is a Helen because

    In American "masculinist" culture, a "10" is the most
    beautiful woman imaginable.

    10: Helen, 1000 ships
    1: deciHelen, 100 ships
    0.1: centiHelen, 10 ships
    0.01: milliHelen, 1 ship
    0.00001: microHelen, 1 canoe
    0.00000001: nanoHelen, 1 matchbox
    --
    Richard Heathfield
    Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
    "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
    Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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  • From lar3ryca@larry@invalid.ca to alt.usage.english on Sun Oct 12 23:46:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 2025-10-12 00:59, Richard Heathfield wrote:
    On 11/10/2025 22:48, lar3ryca wrote:
    On 2025-10-11 06:19, Adam Funk wrote:
    On 2025-10-11, lar3ryca wrote:

    On 2025-10-10 15:52, Richard Heathfield wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 22:42, Garrett Wollman wrote:
    In article <10cbrrj$b2m2$1@dont-email.me>,
    Silvano-a <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
    Tony Cooper hat am 10.10.2025 um 18:49 geschrieben:
    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance, both are >>>>>>>> scored
    as 0.


    Is 0 the lowest or the highest value for annoyance?

    In American "masculinist" culture, a "10" is the most beautiful woman >>>>>> imaginable.

    So presumably a 1 is enough to launch a hundred ships.

    Of course. It's a centiHelen.

    ITYM a deciHelen.

    I should have been more specific.

    A 10 is a centiHelen.
    A 1 is a milliHelen.

    No, a 10 is a Helen because

    In American "masculinist" culture, a "10" is the most beautiful
    woman imaginable.

    10: Helen, 1000 ships
    1: deciHelen, 100 ships
    0.1: centiHelen, 10 ships
    0.01: milliHelen, 1 ship
    0.00001: microHelen, 1 canoe
    0.00000001: nanoHelen, 1 matchbox

    Not being American, I'll stick with the Greek meaning.
    --
    Antigram: A volunteer fireman = I never run to a flame


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  • From Richard Heathfield@rjh@cpax.org.uk to alt.usage.english on Mon Oct 13 07:50:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 13/10/2025 06:46, lar3ryca wrote:
    On 2025-10-12 00:59, Richard Heathfield wrote:
    On 11/10/2025 22:48, lar3ryca wrote:
    On 2025-10-11 06:19, Adam Funk wrote:
    On 2025-10-11, lar3ryca wrote:

    On 2025-10-10 15:52, Richard Heathfield wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 22:42, Garrett Wollman wrote:
    In article <10cbrrj$b2m2$1@dont-email.me>,
    Silvano-a <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
    Tony Cooper hat am 10.10.2025 um 18:49 geschrieben:
    Since you asked...on a scale of 0 to 10 for annoyance,
    both are scored
    as 0.


    Is 0 the lowest or the highest value for annoyance?

    In American "masculinist" culture, a "10" is the most
    beautiful woman
    imaginable.

    So presumably a 1 is enough to launch a hundred ships.

    Of course. It's a centiHelen.

    ITYM a deciHelen.

    I should have been more specific.

    A 10 is a centiHelen.
    A 1 is a milliHelen.

    No, a 10 is a Helen because

    In American "masculinist" culture, a "10" is the most
    beautiful woman imaginable.

    10: Helen, 1000 ships
    1: deciHelen, 100 ships
    0.1: centiHelen, 10 ships
    0.01: milliHelen, 1 ship
    0.00001: microHelen, 1 canoe
    0.00000001: nanoHelen, 1 matchbox

    Not being American, I'll stick with the Greek meaning.

    Likewise. If you ignore the first "masculinistic" column, my
    table is faithful to Marlowe's Faustus.
    --
    Richard Heathfield
    Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
    "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
    Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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