• Here is the anonymous one

    From Tony Cooper@tonycooper214@gmail.com to alt.usage.english on Wed Oct 8 13:28:11 2025
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    The following was in my Politico newsletter:

    "Miles Taylor, the former senior homeland security department official
    and co-author of an anonymous 2018 essay critical of President Trump,
    was spotted in the crowd outside the courthouse for ComeyAs
    arraignment. Trump ordered the Justice Department to investigate him
    earlier this year."

    How can the essay be from an anonnymous author if the co-author is
    stated to be Miles Taylor? His co-author is not named, but that does
    not make the essay anonymously sourced.


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  • From richard@richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) to alt.usage.english on Wed Oct 8 17:43:06 2025
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    In article <f95dek9aqh46rilo07bqre0putjer24io0@4ax.com>,
    Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
    The following was in my Politico newsletter:

    "Miles Taylor, the former senior homeland security department official
    and co-author of an anonymous 2018 essay critical of President Trump,
    was spotted in the crowd outside the courthouse for ComeyAs
    arraignment. Trump ordered the Justice Department to investigate him
    earlier this year."

    How can the essay be from an anonnymous author if the co-author is
    stated to be Miles Taylor? His co-author is not named, but that does
    not make the essay anonymously sourced.

    I think it was anonymous at the time.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/523221-ex-dhs-official-reveals-himself-as-anonymous/

    -- Richard


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  • From charles@charles@candehope.me.uk to alt.usage.english on Wed Oct 8 18:00:03 2025
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    In article <f95dek9aqh46rilo07bqre0putjer24io0@4ax.com>,
    Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
    The following was in my Politico newsletter:

    "Miles Taylor, the former senior homeland security department official
    and co-author of an anonymous 2018 essay critical of President Trump,
    was spotted in the crowd outside the courthouse for ComeyAs
    arraignment. Trump ordered the Justice Department to investigate him
    earlier this year."

    How can the essay be from an anonnymous author if the co-author is
    stated to be Miles Taylor? His co-author is not named, but that does
    not make the essay anonymously sourced.

    Snce the essay was written 7 years ago, the anonymity might well have been compromised in the intervening years.
    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4to#
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Thu Oct 9 07:15:50 2025
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    Den 08.10.2025 kl. 20.00 skrev charles:

    "Miles Taylor, the former senior homeland security department official
    and co-author of an anonymous 2018 essay critical of President Trump,
    was spotted in the crowd outside the courthouse for ComeyrCOs
    arraignment. Trump ordered the Justice Department to investigate him
    earlier this year."

    How can the essay be from an anonnymous author if the co-author is
    stated to be Miles Taylor? His co-author is not named, but that does
    not make the essay anonymously sourced.

    Snce the essay was written 7 years ago, the anonymity might well have been compromised in the intervening years.

    So it could have been clarified with "a then anonymous".
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Ross Clark@benlizro@ihug.co.nz to alt.usage.english on Thu Oct 9 22:20:42 2025
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    On 9/10/2025 6:15 p.m., Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 08.10.2025 kl. 20.00 skrev charles:

    "Miles Taylor, the former senior homeland security department official
    and co-author of an anonymous 2018 essay critical of President Trump,
    was spotted in the crowd outside the courthouse for ComeyrCOs
    arraignment. Trump ordered the Justice Department to investigate him
    earlier this year."

    How can the essay be from an anonnymous author if the co-author is
    stated to be Miles Taylor?-a His co-author is not named, but that does
    not make the essay anonymously sourced.

    Snce the essay was written 7 years ago, the anonymity might well have
    been
    compromised in the intervening years.

    So it could have been clarified with "a then anonymous".


    My impression of usage is that a text is described as "anonymous" if it
    bore no author's name _at the time of publication_, even if the author's identity has subsequently been revealed (or even if it was well-known at
    the time of publication).
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  • From Rich Ulrich@rich.ulrich@comcast.net to alt.usage.english on Thu Oct 9 19:09:52 2025
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    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 22:20:42 +1300, Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz>
    wrote:

    On 9/10/2025 6:15 p.m., Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 08.10.2025 kl. 20.00 skrev charles:

    "Miles Taylor, the former senior homeland security department official >>>> and co-author of an anonymous 2018 essay critical of President Trump,
    was spotted in the crowd outside the courthouse for ComeyrCOs
    arraignment. Trump ordered the Justice Department to investigate him
    earlier this year."

    How can the essay be from an anonnymous author if the co-author is
    stated to be Miles Taylor?-a His co-author is not named, but that does >>>> not make the essay anonymously sourced.

    Snce the essay was written 7 years ago, the anonymity might well have
    been
    compromised in the intervening years.

    So it could have been clarified with "a then anonymous".


    My impression of usage is that a text is described as "anonymous" if it
    bore no author's name _at the time of publication_, even if the author's >identity has subsequently been revealed (or even if it was well-known at
    the time of publication).

    Google, thehill
    Taylor wrote a New York Times op-ed and later a book under the
    pseudonym rCLAnonymousrCY about how some officials worked to thwart
    Trump's impulses...

    I suppose that "then-anonymous" captures the relation but it
    skips past the awkwardness of somehow saying that the only
    op-ed byline/ pseudonym was "Anonymous" -- his identity was
    hidden for a couple of years. "Anonymous" was notorious enough
    that the book was readily offered as a follow-up under that name.
    --
    Rich Ulrich
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  • From Ross Clark@benlizro@ihug.co.nz to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 14:53:22 2025
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    On 10/10/2025 12:09 p.m., Rich Ulrich wrote:
    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 22:20:42 +1300, Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz>
    wrote:

    On 9/10/2025 6:15 p.m., Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 08.10.2025 kl. 20.00 skrev charles:

    "Miles Taylor, the former senior homeland security department official >>>>> and co-author of an anonymous 2018 essay critical of President Trump, >>>>> was spotted in the crowd outside the courthouse for ComeyrCOs
    arraignment. Trump ordered the Justice Department to investigate him >>>>> earlier this year."

    How can the essay be from an anonnymous author if the co-author is
    stated to be Miles Taylor?-a His co-author is not named, but that does >>>>> not make the essay anonymously sourced.

    Snce the essay was written 7 years ago, the anonymity might well have
    been
    compromised in the intervening years.

    So it could have been clarified with "a then anonymous".


    My impression of usage is that a text is described as "anonymous" if it
    bore no author's name _at the time of publication_, even if the author's
    identity has subsequently been revealed (or even if it was well-known at
    the time of publication).

    Google, thehill
    Taylor wrote a New York Times op-ed and later a book under the
    pseudonym rCLAnonymousrCY about how some officials worked to thwart
    Trump's impulses...

    I suppose that "then-anonymous" captures the relation but it
    skips past the awkwardness of somehow saying that the only
    op-ed byline/ pseudonym was "Anonymous" -- his identity was
    hidden for a couple of years. "Anonymous" was notorious enough
    that the book was readily offered as a follow-up under that name.


    If he's actually printing the word "Anonymous" under the op-ed or on the
    title page of the book, as if it were the author's name, that would have
    to be a kind of ironic or meta-use against the background of the usage I described. As you put it, it's "Anonymous" as a pseudonym.



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  • From ram@ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) to alt.usage.english on Fri Oct 10 12:50:24 2025
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    Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> wrote or quoted:
    If he's actually printing the word "Anonymous" under the op-ed or on the >title page of the book, as if it were the author's name, that would have
    to be a kind of ironic or meta-use against the background of the usage I >described. As you put it, it's "Anonymous" as a pseudonym.

    There was also this supposed self-proclaimed bunch of people
    who called themselves "Anonymous", so you could take it to
    mean that the book came from that so-called group.

    (Back in my day, we had this Western where Bob Dylan acted
    under the name "Alias", and Odysseus called himself "Nobody"
    to trick the Cyclops Polyphemus. Later, Celan wrote: "Praised
    be you, Nobody." [translated], not referring to Odysseus, but
    apparently negating his God, which Celan was disappointed in.)


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