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Heard - again - on Radio 4: "most well known".

Most well? Best.

Best known!

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=most+well+known%2Cbest+known&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

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On 01/10/2025 09:36, Hibou wrote:

Heard - again - on Radio 4: "most well known".

Most well? Best.

Best known!

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph? content=most+well+known%2Cbest+known&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

I quickly flipped between the 'British English' and 'American English' databases of your ngrams search.

The culprit for the decline of 'Best known' appears to be BrE. I am
little surprised, however numbers don't usually lie.
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Le 01/10/2025 |a 08:58, occam a |-crit :

On 01/10/2025 09:36, Hibou wrote:

Heard - again - on Radio 4: "most well known".

Most well? Best.

Best known!

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?
content=most+well+known%2Cbest+known&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

I quickly flipped between the 'British English' and 'American English' databases of your ngrams search.

The culprit for the decline of 'Best known' appears to be BrE. I am
little surprised, however numbers don't usually lie.

We British are not always as innocent as we sound.

Interestingly, there are cases where 'most well' is better or even
necessary. I'd not change 'most well-heeled' to 'best heeled' (though
there are a good few examples of 'best heeled' in Google Books). I
suppose it depends on how married 'well' is to the adjective. (If
they're always holding hands through a hyphen, then they are at least engaged.)

I might change 'most well-heeled' to 'most affluent' or 'richest'.
--
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 09:58:10 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

On 01/10/2025 09:36, Hibou wrote:

Heard - again - on Radio 4: "most well known".

Most well? Best.

Best known!

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?
content=most+well+known%2Cbest+known&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

I quickly flipped between the 'British English' and 'American English' >databases of your ngrams search.

The culprit for the decline of 'Best known' appears to be BrE. I am
little surprised, however numbers don't usually lie.

Good --> More Good ---> Most Good ---> GOAT.
--
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On 2025-10-01, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 09:58:10 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

On 01/10/2025 09:36, Hibou wrote:

Heard - again - on Radio 4: "most well known".

Most well? Best.

Best known!

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?
content=most+well+known%2Cbest+known&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

I quickly flipped between the 'British English' and 'American English' >>databases of your ngrams search.

The culprit for the decline of 'Best known' appears to be BrE. I am
little surprised, however numbers don't usually lie.

Good --> More Good ---> Most Good ---> GOAT.

IIRC Hyman Kaplan said "good, better, high kless!"
--
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missiles and misguided men. ---Martin Luther King, Jr.
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On 2025-10-01 16:09:52 +0000, Adam Funk said:

On 2025-10-01, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 09:58:10 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

On 01/10/2025 09:36, Hibou wrote:

Heard - again - on Radio 4: "most well known".

Most well? Best.

Best known!

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?
content=most+well+known%2Cbest+known&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

I quickly flipped between the 'British English' and 'American English'
databases of your ngrams search.

The culprit for the decline of 'Best known' appears to be BrE. I am
little surprised, however numbers don't usually lie.

Good --> More Good ---> Most Good ---> GOAT.

IIRC Hyman Kaplan said "good, better, high kless!"

Good, better, best; never let it rest, till my good is better, and my
better best. (Something my sister learned at school).
--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 38 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

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On 2025-10-01 09:42, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 09:58:10 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

On 01/10/2025 09:36, Hibou wrote:

Heard - again - on Radio 4: "most well known".

Most well? Best.

Best known!

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?
content=most+well+known%2Cbest+known&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

I quickly flipped between the 'British English' and 'American English'
databases of your ngrams search.

The culprit for the decline of 'Best known' appears to be BrE. I am
little surprised, however numbers don't usually lie.

Good --> More Good ---> Most Good ---> GOAT.

Good --> Gooder --> Way more gooder --? Bestest
--
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rCoMargaret Mead

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On Wednesday, Hibou exclaimed wildly:

Heard - again - on Radio 4: "most well known".

Most well? Best.

Best known!

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=most+well+known%2Cbest+known&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

Not sure I agree. "Well known" has become a category itself, as a specialization of "known". "Most well known" is the subset of the set
of well knowns that is the highest rank of well-knownness.

/dps "most well known dps on my street"
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Let's celebrate Macaronesia
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On 01/10/2025 18:36, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2025-10-01 09:42, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 09:58:10 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

On 01/10/2025 09:36, Hibou wrote:

Heard - again - on Radio 4: "most well known".

Most well? Best.

Best known!

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?
content=most+well+known%2Cbest+known&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

I quickly flipped between the 'British English' and 'American English'
databases of your ngrams search.

The culprit for the decline of 'Best known' appears to be BrE. I am
little surprised, however numbers don't usually lie.

Good --> More Good ---> Most Good ---> GOAT.

Good --> Gooder --> Way more gooder --? Bestest

Good -> Better -> Mustn't grumble.
--
Sam Plusnet
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On 1/10/2025 8:58 p.m., occam wrote:

On 01/10/2025 09:36, Hibou wrote:

Heard - again - on Radio 4: "most well known".

Most well? Best.

Best known!

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?
content=most+well+known%2Cbest+known&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

I quickly flipped between the 'British English' and 'American English' databases of your ngrams search.

The culprit for the decline of 'Best known' appears to be BrE. I am
little surprised, however numbers don't usually lie.

I too have been disturbed by increasing sightings of "most well known".
But it now occurs to me that "best known" is potentially ambiguous. In something like

Goat's urine is the best known remedy for warts.

"best known" can mean (1) "best that we know of"
or (2) "most familiar, most well-known"

Perhaps it is this ambiguity that "most well known" users are trying to
avoid. It could also be avoided by hyphenation for meaning (2)
("best-known").
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Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 09:58:10 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

On 01/10/2025 09:36, Hibou wrote:

Heard - again - on Radio 4: "most well known".

Most well? Best.

Best known!

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?
content=most+well+known%2Cbest+known&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=e

n&smoothing=3>

I quickly flipped between the 'British English' and 'American English' >databases of your ngrams search.

The culprit for the decline of 'Best known' appears to be BrE. I am
little surprised, however numbers don't usually lie.

Good --> More Good ---> Most Good ---> GOAT.

Dutch, and I guess your Afrikaans are better at that,
with 'goed' still being irregular only, in its supelatives.

It has 'goed', 'beter', 'best', and if you prefer 'allerbest',
so also 'goed bekend', 'beter bekend', (het) 'beste bekend'.

The forms 'meer goed' (except with other meanings)
or 'goedest' are not correct Dutch,

Jan



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Le 01/10/2025 |a 21:29, Ross Clark a |-crit :

I too have been disturbed by increasing sightings of "most well known".
But it now occurs to me that "best known" is potentially ambiguous. In something like

Goat's urine is the best known remedy for warts.

"best known" can mean (1) "best that we know of"
or (2) "most familiar, most well-known"

Perhaps it is this ambiguity that "most well known" users are trying to avoid. It could also be avoided by hyphenation for meaning (2) ("best- known").

I think that sort of ambiguity is commonplace, and, as you say, hyphens
can solve the problem. One might also omit one of the qualifiers:
"Goat's urine is the best remedy for warts." "Known" would be implied, I think, unless one is, for example, talking of research into alternatives.

I'm not sure what people are thinking when they say "most well known".
The opacity of skulls is both boon and bane. Most people don't think
much about the phrases they use - and I often hear 'more' and 'most' in
place of standard comparatives and superlatives. 'Most well known' may
just be an instance of that.

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Le 02/10/2025 |a 06:39, Hibou a |-crit :

The opacity of skulls is both boon and bane. Most people don't think
much about the phrases they use [...]

Hmm. I observe the results; I can't see the thoughts.

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On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 06:39:04 +0100, Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

I'm not sure what people are thinking when they say "most well known".
The opacity of skulls is both boon and bane. Most people don't think
much about the phrases they use - and I often hear 'more' and 'most' in >place of standard comparatives and superlatives. 'Most well known' may
just be an instance of that.

You might enjoy this book:

Tinniswood, Peter. 1968. A touch of Daniel. London: Hodder &
Stoughton.
A glimpse of life in the north of England in
the 1960s. The Brandon family take in various
widowed relatives.

It has many examples of the kind of phrases people don't think much
about before using them.

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
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Le 03/10/2025 |a 03:38, Steve Hayes a |-crit :

Hibou wrote:

I'm not sure what people are thinking when they say "most well known".
The opacity of skulls is both boon and bane. Most people don't think
much about the phrases they use - and I often hear 'more' and 'most' in
place of standard comparatives and superlatives. 'Most well known' may
just be an instance of that.

You might enjoy this book:

Tinniswood, Peter. 1968. A touch of Daniel. London: Hodder &
Stoughton.
A glimpse of life in the north of England in
the 1960s. The Brandon family take in various
widowed relatives.

It has many examples of the kind of phrases people don't think much
about before using them.

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Now in my 'books to read'. Thank you.

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On 2025-10-03, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 06:39:04 +0100, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

I'm not sure what people are thinking when they say "most well known".
The opacity of skulls is both boon and bane. Most people don't think
much about the phrases they use - and I often hear 'more' and 'most' in >>place of standard comparatives and superlatives. 'Most well known' may >>just be an instance of that.

You might enjoy this book:

Tinniswood, Peter. 1968. A touch of Daniel. London: Hodder &
Stoughton.
A glimpse of life in the north of England in
the 1960s. The Brandon family take in various
widowed relatives.

It has many examples of the kind of phrases people don't think much
about before using them.

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!
--
If you wear a warmer sporran
you can keep the foe at bay
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Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!

In the future it doesn't depend on humans.
--
Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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On 03/10/2025 06:27, Hibou wrote:

Le 03/10/2025 |a 03:38, Steve Hayes a |-crit :

Hibou wrote:

I'm not sure what people are thinking when they say "most well known".
The opacity of skulls is both boon and bane. Most people don't think
much about the phrases they use - and I often hear 'more' and 'most' in
place of standard comparatives and superlatives. 'Most well known' may
just be an instance of that.

You might enjoy this book:

Tinniswood, Peter. 1968. A touch of Daniel. London: Hodder &
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Stoughton.
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a A glimpse of life in the north of England in
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a the 1960s. The Brandon family take in various
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a widowed relatives.

It has many examples of the kind of phrases people don't think much
about before using them.

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Now in my 'books to read'. Thank you.

There was a TV adaption (I Didn't Know You Cared) but I thought it less successful than the radio adaptions (Uncle Mort's North Country).
--
Sam Plusnet
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On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!

In the future it doesn't depend on humans.

Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready for that.
--
Sam Plusnet
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Ar an tri|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Sam Plusnet:

On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!

In the future it doesn't depend on humans.

Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready for that.

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!
--
rCyAs I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stoutrCO
(C. Moore)
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On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 19:25:28 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

On 03/10/2025 06:27, Hibou wrote:

Le 03/10/2025 a 03:38, Steve Hayes a ocrit :

Hibou wrote:

I'm not sure what people are thinking when they say "most well known". >>> The opacity of skulls is both boon and bane. Most people don't think
much about the phrases they use - and I often hear 'more' and 'most' in >>> place of standard comparatives and superlatives. 'Most well known' may >>> just be an instance of that.

You might enjoy this book:

Tinniswood, Peter. 1968. A touch of Daniel. London: Hodder &
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Stoughton.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa A glimpse of life in the north of England in
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the 1960s. The Brandon family take in various
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa widowed relatives.

It has many examples of the kind of phrases people don't think much
about before using them.

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Now in my 'books to read'. Thank you.

There was a TV adaption (I Didn't Know You Cared) but I thought it less successful than the radio adaptions (Uncle Mort's North Country).

"I'll go an 'arf!"
(I thought this was all, erm, about 7/8 forgotten)
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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On 03/10/2025 20:27, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an tri|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Sam Plusnet:

> On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> > Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:
> >
> >>> My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
> >>> motorbikes."
> >>
> >> Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!
> >
> > In the future it doesn't depend on humans.
> >
> Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready for that.

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!

Pigs? It's tricky getting the wings to work properly.
--
Sam Plusnet
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On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 19:25:28 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

On 03/10/2025 06:27, Hibou wrote:

Le 03/10/2025 |a 03:38, Steve Hayes a |-crit :

Hibou wrote:

I'm not sure what people are thinking when they say "most well known". >>>> The opacity of skulls is both boon and bane. Most people don't think
much about the phrases they use - and I often hear 'more' and 'most' in >>>> place of standard comparatives and superlatives. 'Most well known' may >>>> just be an instance of that.

You might enjoy this book:

Tinniswood, Peter. 1968. A touch of Daniel. London: Hodder &
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Stoughton.
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a A glimpse of life in the north of England in
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a the 1960s. The Brandon family take in various
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a widowed relatives.

It has many examples of the kind of phrases people don't think much
about before using them.

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Now in my 'books to read'. Thank you.

There was a TV adaption (I Didn't Know You Cared) but I thought it less >successful than the radio adaptions (Uncle Mort's North Country).

"I didn't know you cared" is the title of a follow-up book, and
another is "Except you're a bird".
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
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Den 03.10.2025 kl. 20.26 skrev Sam Plusnet:

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!

In the future it doesn't depend on humans.

Self-driving motorbikes?-a I don't think the world is quite ready for that.

I thought of robots driving them.
--
Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 01:26:29 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

On 03/10/2025 20:27, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an tri. lb de m0 Deireadh F<mhair, scr0obh Sam Plusnet:

> On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> > Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:
> >
> >>> My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
> >>> motorbikes."
> >>
> >> Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!
> >
> > In the future it doesn't depend on humans.
> >
> Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready for that.

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!

Pigs? It's tricky getting the wings to work properly.

Start with sheep, like the Pythons did.
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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Ar an ceathr|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Sam Plusnet:

On 03/10/2025 20:27, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an tri|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Sam Plusnet:

> On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> > Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:
> >
> >>> My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
> >>> motorbikes."
> >>
> >> Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!
> >
> > In the future it doesn't depend on humans.
> >
> Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready for
> that.

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!

Pigs? It's tricky getting the wings to work properly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenotransplantation

A recipient is currently more than 238 days off dialysis with a pig kidney. Motorcyclists do an awful lot of the work of providing organs for human to human transplants and if a brave new world of self-driving motorbikes (without passengers, I know, I know, misses the point of a motorbike) arises, pig transplantation will be even more important.
--
rCyAs I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stoutrCO
(C. Moore)
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On 2025-10-04 07:54:08 +0000, Aidan Kehoe said:

Ar an ceathr|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Sam Plusnet:

On 03/10/2025 20:27, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an tri|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Sam Plusnet:

> On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> > Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:
> >
> >>> My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
> >>> motorbikes."
> >>
> >> Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!
> >
> > In the future it doesn't depend on humans.
> >
> Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready for
> that.

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!

Pigs? It's tricky getting the wings to work properly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenotransplantation

A recipient is currently more than 238 days off dialysis with a pig kidney. Motorcyclists do an awful lot of the work of providing organs for human to human transplants and if a brave new world of self-driving motorbikes (without
passengers, I know, I know, misses the point of a motorbike) arises, pig transplantation will be even more important.

I hadn't previously thought of motorcycles as a Good Thing, but one
needs to look at the positive side!
--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 38 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

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Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!

In the future it doesn't depend on humans.

Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready for that.

Better not,

Jan
--
<https://www.trendhunter.com/trends/motorcycle-drone>
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Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

On 03/10/2025 20:27, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an tri. lb de m0 Deireadh F<mhair, scr0obh Sam Plusnet:

> On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> > Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:
> >
> >>> My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
> >>> motorbikes."
> >>
> >> Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!
> >
> > In the future it doesn't depend on humans.
>
> Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready for
> that.

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!

Pigs? It's tricky getting the wings to work properly.

They know how to do it, on the Flat Earth,

Jan
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"The Earth is flat, pigs can fly, and nuclear power is safe"
(Greenpeace)
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On 04/10/2025 08:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 01:26:29 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

On 03/10/2025 20:27, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an tri|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Sam Plusnet:

> On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> > Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:
> >
> >>> My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
> >>> motorbikes."
> >>
> >> Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!
> >
> > In the future it doesn't depend on humans.
> >
> Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready for that.

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!

Pigs? It's tricky getting the wings to work properly.

Start with sheep, like the Pythons did.

Crossing a sheep with a python might produce a sheep that sheds its own fleece.
--
Sam Plusnet
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On 2025-10-03, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an tri|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Sam Plusnet:

On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!

In the future it doesn't depend on humans.

Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready for that.

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!

I recently listened to a podcast about xenotransplants (among other
things) and it mentioned the "Hormel miniature pig", which was bred by
the Hormel Institute at the University of Minnesota for lab use
(easier to manage than normal farm pigs). To me "Hormel" is a food
brand, & it turns out that the institute was founded by Jay C Hormel,
CEO of Hormel Foods Group.
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with great satisfaction. (Clarence Darrow)
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On 2025-10-07, Adam Funk wrote:

On 2025-10-03, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an tri|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Sam Plusnet:

On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to chase!

In the future it doesn't depend on humans.

Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready for that. >>

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!

I recently listened to a podcast about xenotransplants (among other
things) and it mentioned the "Hormel miniature pig", which was bred by
the Hormel Institute at the University of Minnesota for lab use
(easier to manage than normal farm pigs). To me "Hormel" is a food
brand, & it turns out that the institute was founded by Jay C Hormel,
CEO of Hormel Foods Group.

It was an episode of 99% _Invisible_.

<https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/642-replaceable-you/transcript/>
--
When Chayefsky created Howard Beale, could he have imagined
Jerry Springer, Howard Stern, and the World Wrestling
Federation? ---Roger Ebert
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Snidely:

Not sure I agree. "Well known" has become a category itself, as a specialization of "known". "Most well known" is the subset of the set
of well knowns that is the highest rank of well-knownness.

I agree. I think it's internally parsed as [most [well known]],
regardless of whether it's an attributive or predicative adjective, so
there's no [most well]. That's not to say that "best known" might not be preferable (stylistically), only that there doesn't seem to be a
grammatical reason to avoid "most well(-)known".
--
John
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On 04/10/25 10:26, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 03/10/2025 20:27, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an tri|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Sam Plusnet:

On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to
chase!

In the future it doesn't depend on humans.

Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready

for that.

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!

Pigs? It's tricky getting the wings to work properly.

There used to be a TV series "Buck Rogers in the 25th century". Or, as I
used to cal it "Pigs in Space".
--
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
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Peter Moylan formulated the question :

On 04/10/25 10:26, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 03/10/2025 20:27, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an tri. lb de m0 Deireadh F<mhair, scr0obh Sam Plusnet:

On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to
chase!

In the future it doesn't depend on humans.

Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready

for that.

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!

Pigs? It's tricky getting the wings to work properly.

There used to be a TV series "Buck Rogers in the 25th century". Or, as I
used to cal it "Pigs in Space".

The latter title was a recurring series of skits on The Muppet Show.

/dps
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Have you heard some of the shit that comes out of my mouth?
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On 2025-10-11, Peter Moylan wrote:

On 04/10/25 10:26, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 03/10/2025 20:27, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an tri|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Sam Plusnet:

On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to
chase!

In the future it doesn't depend on humans.

Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready

for that.

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!

Pigs? It's tricky getting the wings to work properly.

There used to be a TV series "Buck Rogers in the 25th century". Or, as I
used to cal it "Pigs in Space".

I remember the TV series around 1980, but I think various versions of
it go back to the 1930s.

Of course, "Pigs in Space" was a recurring skit on _The Muppet Show_
(the vessel was called the Swine Trek).
--
Well, in this world of basic stereotyping, give a guy a big nose and
some weird hair and he is capable of anything. ---Frank Zappa
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On 12/10/2025 1:16 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:

On 2025-10-11, Peter Moylan wrote:

On 04/10/25 10:26, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 03/10/2025 20:27, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an tri|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Sam Plusnet:

On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to
chase!

In the future it doesn't depend on humans.

Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready

for that.

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!

Pigs? It's tricky getting the wings to work properly.

There used to be a TV series "Buck Rogers in the 25th century". Or, as I
used to cal it "Pigs in Space".

I remember the TV series around 1980, but I think various versions of
it go back to the 1930s.

The comic strip was still running when I was a boy. I do remember the
Martians as having little stubby piggy noses, in addition to being just generally ugly and evil.

Of course, "Pigs in Space" was a recurring skit on _The Muppet Show_
(the vessel was called the Swine Trek).

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On 2025-10-12, Ross Clark wrote:

On 12/10/2025 1:16 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:

On 2025-10-11, Peter Moylan wrote:

On 04/10/25 10:26, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 03/10/2025 20:27, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an tri|| l|i de m|! Deireadh F||mhair, scr|!obh Sam Plusnet:

On 03/10/2025 13:06, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

Den 03.10.2025 kl. 13.45 skrev Adam Funk:

My favourtie is, "It's only human nature for dogs to chase
motorbikes."

Well, without humans, they wouldn't have motorbikes to
chase!

In the future it doesn't depend on humans.

Self-driving motorbikes? I don't think the world is quite ready

for that.

Another incentive to develop porcine xenotransplants!

Pigs? It's tricky getting the wings to work properly.

There used to be a TV series "Buck Rogers in the 25th century". Or, as I >>> used to cal it "Pigs in Space".

I remember the TV series around 1980, but I think various versions of
it go back to the 1930s.

The comic strip was still running when I was a boy. I do remember the Martians as having little stubby piggy noses, in addition to being just generally ugly and evil.

I see from Wikipedia that Buck Rogers started in 1929 and another
comics syndicate came up with Flash Gordon in 1934 aiming to imitate
the former's success.
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I only regret that I have but one shirt to give for my country.
---Abbie Hoffman
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