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On 2025-08-21 17:01:11 +0000, lar3ryca said:
Ignore Stefan's adulation of chatbots that are not only prone to spout
nonsense, but often dangerous nonsense.
I find that a simpler rule is just to omit 's and everything that
follows it.
In article <plagiarism-20250821163630@ram.dialup.fu-
berlin.de>, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de says...
richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote or quoted:
:The chatbots in wide use are indeed generative AI, and depend on
:large-scale plagiarism. This is not an inherent feature of generative
:AI.
"Plagiarism" - I don't know. To me, that feels like a really heavy
word!
If a guy has published something, then the knowledge itself is out
there. The only thing covered by copyright is the exact wording. It's >>> not plagiarism if someone restates what's in a book in his own words.
In article <plagiarism-20250821163630@ram.dialup.fu-
berlin.de>, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de says...
richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote or quoted:
:The chatbots in wide use are indeed generative AI, and depend on
:large-scale plagiarism. This is not an inherent feature of generative >>>> :AI.
"Plagiarism" - I don't know. To me, that feels like a really heavy
word!
If a guy has published something, then the knowledge itself is out
there. The only thing covered by copyright is the exact wording. It's >>>> not plagiarism if someone restates what's in a book in his own words.
Even if you've paraphrased, it's still plagiarism if you fail to cite
your sources.
In article <plagiarism-20250821163630@ram.dialup.fu-
berlin.de>, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de says...
richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote or quoted:
:The chatbots in wide use are indeed generative AI, and depend on
:large-scale plagiarism. This is not an inherent feature of generative
:AI.
"Plagiarism" - I don't know. To me, that feels like a really heavy
word!
If a guy has published something, then the knowledge itself is out
there. The only thing covered by copyright is the exact wording. It's
not plagiarism if someone restates what's in a book in his own words.
The only exception, I think, would be those pretty rare
cases where a chatbot just repeats something word for word.
That's a slip-up that has to be fixed.
What happens when AI plagiarises something that
doesn't qualify as knowledge, because it isn't based on
facts and reality? (like the garbleshite of D Trump)
"In 2025 Greenland became part of the USA"
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 08:55:21 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
In article <plagiarism-20250821163630@ram.dialup.fu-
berlin.de>, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de says...
richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote or quoted:
:The chatbots in wide use are indeed generative AI, and depend on
:large-scale plagiarism. This is not an inherent feature of generative >>>> :AI.
"Plagiarism" - I don't know. To me, that feels like a really heavy >>>> word!
If a guy has published something, then the knowledge itself is out >>>> there. The only thing covered by copyright is the exact wording. >>>> It's not plagiarism if someone restates what's in a book in his own >>>> words.
Even if you've paraphrased, it's still plagiarism if you fail to cite your >sources.
[cross-thread alert - songwriters in Artficially intelligent dubbing]
I suppose Tom Lehrer still gets credits and residuals for
The Elements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_(song)
because Gilbert and Sullivan's melody is years beyond protection
and the periodic table is available to all.
Athel Cornish-Bowden hat am 21.08.2025 um 20:41 geschrieben:
On 2025-08-21 17:01:11 +0000, lar3ryca said:
Ignore Stefan's adulation of chatbots that are not only prone to spout
nonsense, but often dangerous nonsense.
I find that a simpler rule is just to omit 's and everything that
follows it.
I do so too, here, unless Stefan goes back to using his own words, as he still does in some German Usenet groups where I still read him and
sometimes - even if you won't believe it - agree with him.
But there he writes in his native German. Perhaps he does not trust his ability to write good English. A common problem in East Asia, where face-saving is essential. [...]
I am probably the AUE reader least likely to understand such worries.
After all, English is NOT my first language, and German is also NOT my
first language, although after 41 years in Berlin I think and dream in
German more often than in my Italian mother tongue.
Aue isn't a forum where people leap on every error - and English isn't
that sort of language, I think. It has no regulating academy, and we are used to hearing varieties of it - local, ambipondian, and other
dialects, and different registers.
Le 22/08/2025 |a 06:30, Hibou a |-crit :
Aue isn't a forum where people leap on every error - and
English isn't that sort of language, I think. It has no
regulating academy, and we are used to hearing varieties of it
- local, ambipondian, and other dialects, and different registers.
I remember that GBS said, "It is impossible for an Englishman to
open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or
despise him.
On 22/08/2025 07:59, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 |a 06:30, Hibou a |-crit :
Aue isn't a forum where people leap on every error - and English isn't
that sort of language, I think. It has no regulating academy, and we
are used to hearing varieties of it - local, ambipondian, and other
dialects, and different registers.
I remember that GBS said, "It is impossible for an Englishman to open
his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise him.
That says a lot more about GBS (who was Irish) than it does about Englishmen.
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 08:55:21 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
Even if you've paraphrased, it's still plagiarism if you fail to citeI suppose Tom Lehrer still gets credits and residuals for
your sources.
The Elements.
On 22/08/2025 07:59, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 |a 06:30, Hibou a |-crit :
Aue isn't a forum where people leap on every error - and English
isn't that sort of language, I think. It has no regulating academy,
and we are used to hearing varieties of it - local, ambipondian, and
other dialects, and different registers.
I remember that GBS said, "It is impossible for an Englishman to open
his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise him.
That says a lot more about GBS (who was Irish) than it does about Englishmen.
(Not directly responding to the sentence about Tom Lehrer . . .)
By the way, Peter was totally right. I mixed up copyright and pla-
giarism! Copyright is an actual legal thing. Plagiarism, as far as
I know, is not directly against the law, it is just not allowed in
certain settings and can get you failed on an exam, especially in
school or university. Outside of that, plagiarism is just considered
out of line and the fallout is more about losing face or reputation.
On 22/08/2025 07:59, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 a 06:30, Hibou a ocrit :
Aue isn't a forum where people leap on every error - and
English isn't that sort of language, I think. It has no
regulating academy, and we are used to hearing varieties of it
- local, ambipondian, and other dialects, and different registers.
I remember that GBS said, "It is impossible for an Englishman to
open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or
despise him.
That says a lot more about GBS (who was Irish) than it does about Englishmen.
Le 22/08/2025 a 06:30, Hibou a ocrit :
Aue isn't a forum where people leap on every error - and English isn't
that sort of language, I think. It has no regulating academy, and we are used to hearing varieties of it - local, ambipondian, and other
dialects, and different registers.
I remember that GBS said, "It is impossible for an Englishman to open
his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise him.
German and Spanish are accessible to foreigners: English is not
accessible even to Englishmen" - but that was a while ago (1912), and
things have changed.
gave the second-worst debate performance in history. He
hit 30+ 'non-factual' statements in about a half hour of speaking.
'American' is accessible too.
I remember a Dutch author from the sixties writing:
"Going to the USA (to live there for a time) is more fun
than going to Britain."
"In Britain they listen to your every word,
ready to jump on you with a correction to make you feel
that you are a hopeless case and will never learn
to speak English properly."
I would add that also without explicit corrections
they will have their subtle ways of making you feel a foreigner. [...]
Le 22/08/2025 |a 10:37, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
'American' is accessible too.
I remember a Dutch author from the sixties writing:
"Going to the USA (to live there for a time) is more fun
than going to Britain."
"In Britain they listen to your every word,
Disgraceful!
ready to jump on you with a correction to make you feel
that you are a hopeless case and will never learn
to speak English properly."
I would add that also without explicit corrections
they will have their subtle ways of making you feel a foreigner. [...]
Oh, do you find it so? I never correct foreigners' English in ordinary
life, and rarely even in this hallowed forum, unless invited to.
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 a 06:30, Hibou a ocrit :
Aue isn't a forum where people leap on every error - and English isn't that sort of language, I think. It has no regulating academy, and we are used to hearing varieties of it - local, ambipondian, and other dialects, and different registers.
I remember that GBS said, "It is impossible for an Englishman to open
his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise him.
An astute observation. (even if not falsifiable)
German and Spanish are accessible to foreigners: English is not
accessible even to Englishmen" - but that was a while ago (1912), and things have changed.
Changed, perhaps, but not to the point that Shaw's observations
have been invalidated. (If you ask me)
'American' is accessible too.
I remember a Dutch author from the sixties writing:
"Going to the USA (to live there for a time) is more fun
than going to Britain."
"In Britain they listen to your every word,
ready to jump on you with a correction to make you feel
that you are a hopeless case and will never learn
to speak English properly."
I would add that also without explicit corrections
they will have their subtle ways of making you feel a foreigner.
"In the USA they don't care, they don't bother to correct you,
and they will focus on what you say instead of on details
of how you say it."
"They are used to listen to other Americans who speak differently,
and they cannot speak proper English themselves."
But he also noted that "Americans live in an American world",
which even more true now than it was then,
Jan
(my paraphrases, not really quotes)
(and corrections to my English are always welcome)
I suppose Tom Lehrer still gets credits and residuals for
The Elements.
But he also noted that "Americans live in an American world", which
even more true now than it was then,
On 22/08/25 19:37, J. J. Lodder wrote:
But he also noted that "Americans live in an American world",
which
even more true now than it was then,
One thing that Trump has achieved -- at least, this is my
impression --
is to throttle the flow of tourists. Non-Americans are now
reluctant to
visit the US, and apparently Americans are now nervous about how
they'll
be perceived in other countries.
"In Britain they listen to your every word,
Disgraceful!
ready to jump on you with a correction to make you feel
that you are a hopeless case and will never learn
to speak English properly."
I would add that also without explicit corrections
they will have their subtle ways of making you feel a foreigner. [...]
Oh, do you find it so? I never correct foreigners' English in ordinary
life, and rarely even in this hallowed forum, unless invited to. If
British people do correct you, likely there is a subtext, a hidden
message. I expect you're aware that in any utterance beyond (and often including) "Would you like a cup of tea?" there is more meaning than is apparent.
One thing that Trump has achieved -- at least, this is my impression --
is to throttle the flow of tourists. Non-Americans are now reluctant to
visit the US, and apparently Americans are now nervous about how they'll
be perceived in other countries. As a result, the cross-fertilisation of ideas has been badly hit.
Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote or quoted:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 08:55:21 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
Even if you've paraphrased, it's still plagiarism if you fail to cite >>>your sources.I suppose Tom Lehrer still gets credits and residuals for
The Elements.
(Not directly responding to the sentence about Tom Lehrer . . .)
By the way, Peter was totally right. I mixed up copyright and pla-
giarism! Copyright is an actual legal thing. Plagiarism, as far as
I know, is not directly against the law, it is just not allowed in
certain settings and can get you failed on an exam, especially in
school or university. Outside of that, plagiarism is just considered
out of line and the fallout is more about losing face or reputation.
On 22/08/25 19:37, J. J. Lodder wrote:
But he also noted that "Americans live in an American world", which
even more true now than it was then,
One thing that Trump has achieved -- at least, this is my impression --
is to throttle the flow of tourists. Non-Americans are now reluctant to
visit the US, and apparently Americans are now nervous about how they'll
be perceived in other countries. As a result, the cross-fertilisation of ideas has been badly hit.
On plagiarism. Dorothy Parker was a quotable wit, circa 1930s.
In one dinner table conversation, she praised a bon-mot of one
of the others,
"I wish I had said that!" -- which drew the wry comment,
"I'm sure you will, darling, you will."
My diagnosis for Trump is 'mood-related memory dysfunction.'
I think he is up to a rate of several times per week, that he
totally forgets something obvious, or 'remembers' something
that never happened. At the debate that sunk Biden, Trump
gave the second-worst debate performance in history. He
hit 30+ 'non-factual' statements in about a half hour of speaking.
IMO, these occurred in off-topic rants when he lost track of
anything sensible to say.
An example is his frequent anti-mail-in-voting statement that the US
is the only country that uses mail-in voting. There are 34 countries
or territories that allow mail-in voting. Some of those countries are
fairly well-known internationally, like the UK, Canada, and Australia.
Le 22/08/2025 a 10:37, J. J. Lodder a ocrit :
'American' is accessible too.
I remember a Dutch author from the sixties writing:
"Going to the USA (to live there for a time) is more fun
than going to Britain."
"In Britain they listen to your every word,
Disgraceful!
ready to jump on you with a correction to make you feel
that you are a hopeless case and will never learn
to speak English properly."
I would add that also without explicit corrections
they will have their subtle ways of making you feel a foreigner. [...]
Oh, do you find it so?
I never correct foreigners' English in ordinary
life, and rarely even in this hallowed forum, unless invited to. If
British people do correct you, likely there is a subtext, a hidden
message. I expect you're aware that in any utterance beyond (and often including) "Would you like a cup of tea?" there is more meaning than is apparent.
Cf. screenplays: "If the scene's about what the scene's about, you're in--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
deep shit" - Robert McKee (an American, as it happens).
On 22/08/25 19:37, J. J. Lodder wrote:
But he also noted that "Americans live in an American world", which
even more true now than it was then,
One thing that Trump has achieved -- at least, this is my impression --
is to throttle the flow of tourists. Non-Americans are now reluctant to
visit the US, and apparently Americans are now nervous about how they'll
be perceived in other countries. As a result, the cross-fertilisation of ideas has been badly hit.
On 22/08/2025 17:13, Rich Ulrich wrote:
<snip>
On plagiarism. Dorothy Parker was a quotable wit, circa 1930s.
In one dinner table conversation, she praised a bon-mot of one
of the others,
"I wish I had said that!" -- which drew the wry comment,
"I'm sure you will, darling, you will."
Also attributed to James McNeill Whistler.
Wilde: "I wish I had said that."
Whistler: "You will, Oscar, you will."
attr dub, of course, but see:
<https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/09/05/oscar-will/>
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 18:20:04 +0100, Richard Heathfield
<rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
On 22/08/2025 17:13, Rich Ulrich wrote:
<snip>
On plagiarism. Dorothy Parker was a quotable wit, circa 1930s.
In one dinner table conversation, she praised a bon-mot of one
of the others,
"I wish I had said that!" -- which drew the wry comment,
"I'm sure you will, darling, you will."
Also attributed to James McNeill Whistler.
Wilde: "I wish I had said that."
Whistler: "You will, Oscar, you will."
attr dub, of course, but see:
<https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/09/05/oscar-will/>
Okay, thanks. 1886 definitely is earlier than the 1930s. And that
has a lot of variations, published way back then.
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 18:20:04 +0100, Richard Heathfield
<rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
On 22/08/2025 17:13, Rich Ulrich wrote:
<snip>
On plagiarism. Dorothy Parker was a quotable wit, circa 1930s.
In one dinner table conversation, she praised a bon-mot of one
of the others,
"I wish I had said that!" -- which drew the wry comment,
"I'm sure you will, darling, you will."
Also attributed to James McNeill Whistler.
Wilde: "I wish I had said that."
Whistler: "You will, Oscar, you will."
attr dub, of course, but see:
<https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/09/05/oscar-will/>
Okay, thanks. 1886 definitely is earlier than the 1930s. And that
has a lot of variations, published way back then.
But. I don't know much Oscar Wilde was forgotten in the
1930s. It could have happened with Parker, too.
There are people who famously attract credit for quips,--
because they have delivered good ones. All of my life,
I have heard of Yogi Berra-isms, and his boss Casey
Stengel also gets credits.
On 22/08/2025 19:48, Rich Ulrich wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 18:20:04 +0100, Richard Heathfield
<rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
On 22/08/2025 17:13, Rich Ulrich wrote:
<snip>
On plagiarism. Dorothy Parker was a quotable wit, circa 1930s.
In one dinner table conversation, she praised a bon-mot of one
of the others,
"I wish I had said that!" -- which drew the wry comment,
"I'm sure you will, darling, you will."
Also attributed to James McNeill Whistler.
Wilde: "I wish I had said that."
Whistler: "You will, Oscar, you will."
attr dub, of course, but see:
<https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/09/05/oscar-will/>
Okay, thanks. 1886 definitely is earlier than the 1930s. And that
has a lot of variations, published way back then.
But. I don't know much Oscar Wilde was forgotten in the
1930s. It could have happened with Parker, too.
Indubbatibbably.
Also:
Mark Twain
Lincoln
Churchill
FE Smith
ML King
Einstein
and, of course, Shakespeare.
There are people who famously attract credit for quips,
because they have delivered good ones. All of my life,
I have heard of Yogi Berra-isms, and his boss Casey
Stengel also gets credits.
Le 22/08/2025 |a 08:20, Richard Heathfield a |-crit :
On 22/08/2025 07:59, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 |a 06:30, Hibou a |-crit :
Aue isn't a forum where people leap on every error - and English
isn't that sort of language, I think. It has no regulating academy,
and we are used to hearing varieties of it - local, ambipondian, and
other dialects, and different registers.
I remember that GBS said, "It is impossible for an Englishman to open
his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise him.
That says a lot more about GBS (who was Irish) than it does about
Englishmen.
That could well be true, but I think he was making a valid point about class. The quotation comes from the preface to 'Pygmalion' (1912) and
seems to be contemporary with the play (Google Books finds it in copies
from 1916). That was the Edwardian Era, with its corseted class distinctions, its upstairs and its downstairs,
before the War shook
things up a bit. I don't think there's any doubt that when untutored
Elizas opened their mouths, a lot of people despised them - and I expect
the sentiment was mutual.
On 2025-08-22 03:01, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 |a 08:20, Richard Heathfield a |-crit :
On 22/08/2025 07:59, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 |a 06:30, Hibou a |-crit :
Aue isn't a forum where people leap on every error - and
English isn't that sort of language, I think. It has no
regulating academy, and we are used to hearing varieties of
it - local, ambipondian, and other dialects, and different
registers.
I remember that GBS said, "It is impossible for an Englishman
to open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate
or despise him.
That says a lot more about GBS (who was Irish) than it does
about Englishmen.
That could well be true, but I think he was making a valid
point about class. The quotation comes from the preface to
'Pygmalion' (1912) and seems to be contemporary with the play
(Google Books finds it in copies from 1916). That was the
Edwardian Era, with its corseted class distinctions, its
upstairs and its downstairs,
Interesting. I once read that /All in the Family/, a US TV
series, was an adaptation of a British series called /Upstairs,
Downstairs/.
Does the phrase refer to class?
On 22/08/25 19:37, J. J. Lodder wrote:
But he also noted that "Americans live in an American world", which
even more true now than it was then,
One thing that Trump has achieved -- at least, this is my impression --
is to throttle the flow of tourists. Non-Americans are now reluctant to
visit the US, and apparently Americans are now nervous about how they'll
be perceived in other countries. As a result, the cross-fertilisation of ideas has been badly hit.
On 2025-08-22 03:01, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 |a 08:20, Richard Heathfield a |-crit :
On 22/08/2025 07:59, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 |a 06:30, Hibou a |-crit :
Aue isn't a forum where people leap on every error - and English
isn't that sort of language, I think. It has no regulating academy, >>>>> and we are used to hearing varieties of it - local, ambipondian,
and other dialects, and different registers.
I remember that GBS said, "It is impossible for an Englishman to
open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise
him.
That says a lot more about GBS (who was Irish) than it does about
Englishmen.
That could well be true, but I think he was making a valid point about
class. The quotation comes from the preface to 'Pygmalion' (1912) and
seems to be contemporary with the play (Google Books finds it in
copies from 1916). That was the Edwardian Era, with its corseted class
distinctions, its upstairs and its downstairs,
Interesting. I once read that /All in the Family/, a US TV series, was
an adaptation of a British series called /Upstairs, Downstairs/.
Does the phrase refer to class?
before the War shook things up a bit. I don't think there's any doubt
that when untutored Elizas opened their mouths, a lot of people
despised them - and I expect the sentiment was mutual.
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 18:20:04 +0100, Richard Heathfield
<rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
On 22/08/2025 17:13, Rich Ulrich wrote:
<snip>
On plagiarism. Dorothy Parker was a quotable wit, circa 1930s.
In one dinner table conversation, she praised a bon-mot of one
of the others,
"I wish I had said that!" -- which drew the wry comment,
"I'm sure you will, darling, you will."
Also attributed to James McNeill Whistler.
Wilde: "I wish I had said that."
Whistler: "You will, Oscar, you will."
attr dub, of course, but see:
<https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/09/05/oscar-will/>
Okay, thanks. 1886 definitely is earlier than the 1930s. And that
has a lot of variations, published way back then.
But. I don't know much Oscar Wilde was forgotten in the
1930s. It could have happened with Parker, too.
There are people who famously attract credit for quips,
because they have delivered good ones. All of my life,
I have heard of Yogi Berra-isms, and his boss Casey
Stengel also gets credits. Both of those guys created
memorable malaprops. Who is more recent than them?
Googling for "memorable quips" gets me quotes, which are
all serious stuff. And I see famous movie lines as quips.
But are quip-masters still around?
I think of Robin Williams (more recent than them) but otherwise
draw a blank.
On 22/08/2025 at 21:59, lar3ryca wrote:
On 2025-08-22 03:01, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 |a 08:20, Richard Heathfield a |-crit :
On 22/08/2025 07:59, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 |a 06:30, Hibou a |-crit :
Aue isn't a forum where people leap on every error - and English
isn't that sort of language, I think. It has no regulating
academy, and we are used to hearing varieties of it - local,
ambipondian, and other dialects, and different registers.
I remember that GBS said, "It is impossible for an Englishman to
open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise >>>>> him.
That says a lot more about GBS (who was Irish) than it does about
Englishmen.
That could well be true, but I think he was making a valid point
about class. The quotation comes from the preface to 'Pygmalion'
(1912) and seems to be contemporary with the play (Google Books finds
it in copies from 1916). That was the Edwardian Era, with its
corseted class distinctions, its upstairs and its downstairs,
Interesting. I once read that /All in the Family/, a US TV series, was
an adaptation of a British series called /Upstairs, Downstairs/.
No. It was based on Till Death Us Do Part - Alf Garnet et al.
See also Archie Bunker's Place
Does the phrase refer to class?
before the War shook things up a bit. I don't think there's any doubt
that when untutored Elizas opened their mouths, a lot of people
despised them - and I expect the sentiment was mutual.
Interesting. I once read that /All in the Family/, a US TV series, was
an adaptation of a British series called /Upstairs, Downstairs/.
Does the phrase refer to class?
Servants did much of their work in the scullery, kitchen, butlery etc - "downstairs" - whereas His Nibs frequented the drawing room, library,
dining room, gun room etc - 'upstairs', although in the country it would
be more accurate to describe it as the ground floor, as opposed to the servants' dungeon-like cellars. In a townhouse the masters might
literally confine themselves to the first floor and above.
They don't search the phones of everyone, and I would probably be
allowed in, but who wants strangers digging into their private data?
Den 22.08.2025 kl. 23.10 skrev lar3ryca:
They don't search the phones of everyone, and I would probably
be allowed in, but who wants strangers digging into their
private data?
Who can avoid it? Do you have Google or Apple digging into your
private data?
I have relatives in the US who are very reluctant to come back here
to visit family because wife and kids are not full American citizens.
They fear they might not be allowed back in.
The best ones don't get forgotten. Even some of Voltaire's survive,
Tony Cooper hat am 22.08.2025 um 19:31 geschrieben:
An example is his frequent anti-mail-in-voting statement that the
US is the only country that uses mail-in voting. There are 34
countries or territories that allow mail-in voting. Some of those
countries are fairly well-known internationally, like the UK,
Canada, and Australia.
And also, perhaps too foreign for "English" speakers like Trump,
Germany.
On 23/08/25 03:49, Silvano wrote:
Tony Cooper hat am 22.08.2025 um 19:31 geschrieben:
An example is his frequent anti-mail-in-voting statement that the
US is the only country that uses mail-in voting. There are 34
countries or territories that allow mail-in voting. Some of those
countries are fairly well-known internationally, like the UK,
Canada, and Australia.
And also, perhaps too foreign for "English" speakers like Trump,
Germany.
That reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask about. When
there's an Australian election, special arrangements are made for
military forces overseas. An Australian soldier might be part of a >peacekeeping force in Ukraine or Palestine, but he still gets to vote. >Similarly, tourists who are out of the country can either vote at the
nearest embassy or consulate, or apply for a postal vote.
Do Americans who are out of the country on election day still get a vote?
Le 22/08/2025 |a 21:04, Chris Elvidge a |-crit :
On 22/08/2025 19:48, Rich Ulrich wrote:
There are people who famously attract credit for quips,
because they have delivered good ones.-a All of my life,
I have heard of Yogi Berra-isms, and his boss Casey
Stengel also gets credits.
And, of course - only one though - Mandy Rice-Davies
It's a good one, one of the few I use regularly.
On 2025-08-22 23:52:58 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
ResearchGate, an on-line site that does things like tracking
citations to research papers, kept nagging me to describe my
current research.
ResearchGate sends me frequent messages entitled "Athel, a recent
article cited your research". I usually look at those, but ignore
anything else it sends me.
On 23/08/2025 00:52, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 23/08/25 05:07, J. J. Lodder wrote:Overhead power distribution: Volt-air.
The best ones don't get forgotten. Even some of Voltaire's
survive,
ResearchGate, an on-line site that does things like tracking
citations to research papers, kept nagging me to describe my
current research. It didn't understand "retired". So I set up a new
research project there, and gave it the title "Il faut cultiver
notre jardin".
I sometimes wonder how many people got it.
Presidents declare Emergencies to justify actions. Trump's
Emergencies are transparent lies: Loophole, no one can easily tell
the President that he's making it up.
On 22/08/2025 22:09, Richard Heathfield wrote:
On 22/08/2025 21:59, lar3ryca wrote:Servant bedrooms (for live-in servants obv.) were up in the attic
On 2025-08-22 03:01, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 |a 08:20, Richard Heathfield a |-crit :
On 22/08/2025 07:59, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 |a 06:30, Hibou a |-crit :
Aue isn't a forum where people leap on every error - and
English isn't that sort of language, I think. It has no
regulating academy, and we are used to hearing varieties
of it - local, ambipondian, and other dialects, and
different registers.
I remember that GBS said, "It is impossible for an
Englishman to open his mouth without making some other
Englishman hate or despise him.
That says a lot more about GBS (who was Irish) than it does
about Englishmen.
That could well be true, but I think he was making a valid
point about class. The quotation comes from the preface to
'Pygmalion' (1912) and seems to be contemporary with the play
(Google Books finds it in copies from 1916). That was the
Edwardian Era, with its corseted class distinctions, its
upstairs and its downstairs,
Interesting. I once read that /All in the Family/, a US TV
series, was an adaptation of a British series called
/Upstairs, Downstairs/.
Does the phrase refer to class?
Servants did much of their work in the scullery, kitchen,
butlery etc - "downstairs" - whereas His Nibs frequented the
drawing room, library, dining room, gun room etc - 'upstairs',
although in the country it would be more accurate to describe
it as the ground floor, as opposed to the servants'
dungeon-like cellars. In a townhouse the masters might
literally confine themselves to the first floor and above.
- so things were not quite so straightforwards as 'Upstairs
Downstairs' would suggest.
What happens when AI plagiarises something that
doesn't qualify as knowledge, because it isn't based on
facts and reality? (like the garbleshite of D Trump)
On 2025-08-22 03:01, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 |a 08:20, Richard Heathfield a |-crit :
On 22/08/2025 07:59, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/08/2025 |a 06:30, Hibou a |-crit :
Aue isn't a forum where people leap on every error - and English
isn't that sort of language, I think. It has no regulating academy,
and we are used to hearing varieties of it - local, ambipondian,
and other dialects, and different registers.
I remember that GBS said, "It is impossible for an Englishman to
open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise
him.
That says a lot more about GBS (who was Irish) than it does about
Englishmen.
That could well be true, but I think he was making a valid point about
class. The quotation comes from the preface to 'Pygmalion' (1912) and
seems to be contemporary with the play (Google Books finds it in
copies from 1916). That was the Edwardian Era, with its corseted class
distinctions, its upstairs and its downstairs,
Interesting. I once read that /All in the Family/, a US TV series, was
an adaptation of a British series called /Upstairs, Downstairs/.
Does the phrase refer to class?
before the War shook things up a bit. I don't think there's any doubt
that when untutored Elizas opened their mouths, a lot of people
despised them - and I expect the sentiment was mutual.
On 2025-08-22 06:02, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 22/08/25 19:37, J. J. Lodder wrote:
But he also noted that "Americans live in an American world", which
even more true now than it was then,
One thing that Trump has achieved -- at least, this is my impression --
is to throttle the flow of tourists. Non-Americans are now reluctant to visit the US, and apparently Americans are now nervous about how they'll
be perceived in other countries. As a result, the cross-fertilisation of ideas has been badly hit.
SWMBO and I have often crossed into the US, but not since the ?? came
into power. The immigration folks at the border crossing have taken to searching phones for any hints of 'wokeness' or anti-American content.
They don't search the phones of everyone, and I would probably be
allowed in, but who wants strangers digging into their private data?
I have relatives in the US who are very reluctant to come back here to
visit family because wife and kids are not full American citizens. They
fear they might not be allowed back in.
Le 23/08/2025 a 00:52, Peter Moylan a ocrit :
On 23/08/25 05:07, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The best ones don't get forgotten. Even some of Voltaire's survive,
ResearchGate, an on-line site that does things like tracking citations
to research papers, kept nagging me to describe my current research. It didn't understand "retired". So I set up a new research project there,
and gave it the title "Il faut cultiver notre jardin".
I sometimes wonder how many people got it.
I dig it! I dig it!
Servants did much of their work in the scullery, kitchen, butlery etcServant bedrooms (for live-in servants obv.) were up in the attic - so things were not quite so straightforwards as 'Upstairs Downstairs' would suggest.
- "downstairs" - whereas His Nibs frequented the drawing room,
library, dining room, gun room etc - 'upstairs', although in the
country it would be more accurate to describe it as the ground floor,
as opposed to the servants' dungeon-like cellars. In a townhouse the
masters might literally confine themselves to the first floor and above.
When one of my sisters was in primary school, she learnt arithmetic with little coloured wooden blocks. She thought it was called Poison Air.
Den 23.08.2025 kl. 22.58 skrev Sam Plusnet:
Servants did much of their work in the scullery, kitchen, butlery etcServant bedrooms (for live-in servants obv.) were up in the attic - so things were not quite so straightforwards as 'Upstairs Downstairs'
- "downstairs" - whereas His Nibs frequented the drawing room,
library, dining room, gun room etc - 'upstairs', although in the
country it would be more accurate to describe it as the ground floor,
as opposed to the servants' dungeon-like cellars. In a townhouse the
masters might literally confine themselves to the first floor and
above.
would suggest.
Wouldn't they then have a separate staircase to their bedrooms - in
reality making it as separate as if they'd been in the cellar.
In article <108ej32$2lvoa$4@dont-email.me>, Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
Den 23.08.2025 kl. 22.58 skrev Sam Plusnet:
Servants did much of their work in the scullery, kitchen, butlery etcServant bedrooms (for live-in servants obv.) were up in the attic - so things were not quite so straightforwards as 'Upstairs Downstairs'
- "downstairs" - whereas His Nibs frequented the drawing room,
library, dining room, gun room etc - 'upstairs', although in the
country it would be more accurate to describe it as the ground floor,
as opposed to the servants' dungeon-like cellars. In a townhouse the
masters might literally confine themselves to the first floor and
above.
would suggest.
Wouldn't they then have a separate staircase to their bedrooms - in
reality making it as separate as if they'd been in the cellar.
Yes, "back stairs"
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 02:39:22 -0400, Rich Ulrich
<rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 13:31:42 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 01:05:05 -0400, Rich Ulrich
<rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
My diagnosis for Trump is 'mood-related memory dysfunction.'
I think he is up to a rate of several times per week, that he
totally forgets something obvious, or 'remembers' something
that never happened. At the debate that sunk Biden, Trump
gave the second-worst debate performance in history. He
hit 30+ 'non-factual' statements in about a half hour of speaking. >>>>IMO, these occurred in off-topic rants when he lost track of
anything sensible to say.
His chutzpah is beyond belief. Not only will he make a factually >>>incorrect statement, but he will repeat that statement over-and-over
even when it is repeatedly proven to be false.
An example is his frequent anti-mail-in-voting statement that the US
is the only country that uses mail-in voting. There are 34 countries
or territories that allow mail-in voting. Some of those countries are >>>fairly well-known internationally, like the UK, Canada, and Australia.
A single example? You're just hitting the last news you saw.
Why do you think the mail-in ballot issue is the "last news (I) saw"?
I chose to cite one egregious example. You chose to cite several
examples. Citing a single example doesn't indicate that my
news-watching is any less extensive than yours or more attracted to
one shiny object.
I chose that example because it is a prime example of a repeated
statement that the readers of this newsgroup would recognize as a lie.
Many of them may have used mailed-in voting themselves.
Many of the examples you cited, while patently false statements, may
not be issues that the non-American reader of this newsgroup are
particular aware of.
There are some blatantly false and inane statements that Trump makes
that don't require any familiarity of the US political/economic
landscape to recognize as total bullshit. An example of this is
Trump's claims that he's reducing drug costs to the American consumer
as much as 1,000 percent. Any reader of this newsgroup with any
grasp of math or maths knows that the cost of an item cannot be
reduced by 1,000 percent.
--
LIES - 1 - stealing the election with marginal voters.
His 2024 campaign was finally described even in the gentle mass
media as consisting of lies in an avalanche, cascade, firehose of >>disinformation. Reduce inflation? (it was down). Reduce PRICES? >>(ridiculous). Protect Social Security, Medicare and Medicade?
(from the depredations of his Republican Congress?) Disown
all the proposals of Project 2025 (he was meeting weekly with
its co-editor, Russell Vought, now in his cabinet).
Those are just the gross, personally repeated lies -- each one --
may have swayed the low-information public to give him his
narrow victory.
LIES - 2 - undercutting core Democratic votes.
Touting Frederic Douglass as a great Black man did not help
much, but Nelson Mandela was a more familiar name. He
chipped away a few Black votes by being the first Republican
in decades to CLAIM to have the interests of Blacks in mind.
13,000 immigrant murderers are roaming the streets. (Source:
official comment that they were 'not being followed' by
immigration, later clarified, 'because they are in prison'.)
Immigrants are eating pet dogs and cats. (JD Vance spread
that, later admitting it was trumped up 'to get attention' ....)
'False flag' LGBTQ+ social media posts, claiming Kamala's
support for the most extreme positions on trans and gay issues.
AND MORE LIES - 3 - after the election.
Washington became awash in a permanent flood of lies.
His definition of Fake News is 'whatever annoys him to hear.'
His cabinet the first term was select from people willing to
fawn over him; this time, they have to be willing to fawn
AND to never quibble at his lies, in public or in private.
His Maga supporters watch media that don't contradict him.
He now fires people who give him news he does not want
to hear.
Labor statistics must be fake. Today, he fired the director
of intelligence who, a few weeks ago, let out a draft
report saying that Iran's nuclear facilities might not have
been 'obliterated.'
Presidents declare Emergencies to justify actions. Trump's
Emergencies are transparent lies: Loophole, no one can
easily tell the President that he's making it up. Venezuela
is invading. Canada is supplying drugs (45 pounds of
fetamine?) There's an Economic emergency caused by 50
years of trade deficit, which requires him to create tariffs
even though the law authorizing THAT emergency does not
mention tariffs.
- Sorry if that seems too much. I've been thinking of
posting something like this somewhere, and tonight it
came together.
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <108ej32$2lvoa$4@dont-email.me>, Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
Den 23.08.2025 kl. 22.58 skrev Sam Plusnet:
Servants did much of their work in the scullery, kitchen, butlery etc >> - "downstairs" - whereas His Nibs frequented the drawing room,Servant bedrooms (for live-in servants obv.) were up in the attic - so things were not quite so straightforwards as 'Upstairs Downstairs' would suggest.
library, dining room, gun room etc - 'upstairs', although in the
country it would be more accurate to describe it as the ground floor, >> as opposed to the servants' dungeon-like cellars. In a townhouse the >> masters might literally confine themselves to the first floor and
above.
Wouldn't they then have a separate staircase to their bedrooms - in reality making it as separate as if they'd been in the cellar.
Yes, "back stairs"
In one country house I saw they even had a tunnel,
to get the gardeners to go and do their gardening things
without being seen from 'upstairs',
Jan
Hibou wrote:To be candid, that's very martinian. -2 Travaillons sans raisonner, dit Martin, c'est le seul moyen de rendre la vie supportable. -+ And digging
Le 23/08/2025 |a 00:52, Peter Moylan a |-crit :
On 23/08/25 05:07, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The best ones don't get forgotten. Even some of Voltaire's survive,
ResearchGate, an on-line site that does things like tracking citations
to research papers, kept nagging me to describe my current research. It
didn't understand "retired". So I set up a new research project there,
and gave it the title "Il faut cultiver notre jardin".
I sometimes wonder how many people got it.
I dig it! I dig it!
That's the spirit! Dig and don't think,
There are some blatantly false and inane statements that Trump makes
that don't require any familiarity of the US political/economic
landscape to recognize as total bullshit. An example of this is
Trump's claims that he's reducing drug costs to the American consumer
as much as 1,000 percent. Any reader of this newsgroup with any
grasp of math or maths knows that the cost of an item cannot be
reduced by 1,000 percent.
On 23/08/25 16:39, Rich Ulrich wrote:
Presidents declare Emergencies to justify actions. Trump's
Emergencies are transparent lies: Loophole, no one can easily tell
the President that he's making it up.
As I understand it, the US National Guard evolved from the state
militia. As I further understand it, the state militia were set up to
protect the states from the risk that a federal tyrant might arise.
When did the tyrant gain the power to control these militia?
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 11:33:00 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
[Trump, lies]
There are some blatantly false and inane statements that Trump makes
that don't require any familiarity of the US political/economic
landscape to recognize as total bullshit. An example of this is
Trump's claims that he's reducing drug costs to the American consumer
as much as 1,000 percent. Any reader of this newsgroup with any
grasp of math or maths knows that the cost of an item cannot be
reduced by 1,000 percent.
For the claims of reducing drug costs by 1000%, 500%, 1400% --
I would say, "illustrate loss of executive function in speech" rather
than "... total bullshit".
One of the things that bothers me about this story is that almost
all the coverage I have seen of it goes only as far as the above,
to say it is total bullship
In fact, I figure that a bunch of his audience, who never learned--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
math and logic at the level of 16-year-olds, understood his claim
entirely: He is promising to REVERSE the arbitrary high prices,
in the terms that they have been described, like "1000 per cent".
We had a discussion not too long ago, about the illogic of "twice
as cheap" or "10 times as slow" when our measures run the
opposite direction. This was pretty much the same thing, with his
actual statements in percent being just a bit more awkward.
BYW: those comparisons are made to 'a few years ago' or 'foreign
markets', or, less often, to the cost of manufacturing.)
Those have hit the news (in the US) with some regularity for a
few years. And it is not a totally new topic for Trump.
Trump in his previous term won reductions for the VA in one drug
(insulin?) and tried to claim credit when Biden expanded that price
break beyond VA (Veterans' Administration: socialized and
successful medicine in America).
In May of this year, he signed an executive order about prices;
shortly thereafeter, some congressmen introduced a bill. Three
weeks ago, he sent a letter to 17 companies. MSNBC has not
shown me any coverage of the wider issue (though my viewing
MSNBC has been sporadic of late).
Here is a link to a serious news article that I found by searching - >https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2025/08/02/trump-says-he-will-get-drug-prices-down-by-1500/
Before I looked and found that background, my most cynical guess
was that Trump was merely exercising his strong-arm tactics on
one more industry, in pursuit of bribes to make him quit. Now, it
looks a LITTLE more serious.
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 12:04:35 -0400, Rich Ulrich
<rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 11:33:00 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
[Trump, lies]
For the claims of reducing drug costs by 1000%, 500%, 1400% --
I would say, "illustrate loss of executive function in speech" rather
than "... total bullshit".
One of the things that bothers me about this story is that almost
all the coverage I have seen of it goes only as far as the above,
to say it is total bullship
Just before opening aue I was watching CNN's coverage of Trump's press >meeting. One of the topics mentioned in his long, rambling, comments
was - again - that he will lower drug costs by "1400 or 1500 percent".
Also noted was how much he wandered in his speech. Sentences on one
subject morphed into subjects on other subjects without any
discernable reason for the change. It's "stream of thought" without >consistancy.
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 12:47:12 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 12:04:35 -0400, Rich Ulrich
<rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 11:33:00 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
[Trump, lies]
For the claims of reducing drug costs by 1000%, 500%, 1400% --
I would say, "illustrate loss of executive function in speech" rather >>>than "... total bullshit".
More generally, I think that there is a removal-type resonance to
saying he is "of unsound mind."
One of the things that bothers me about this story is that almost
all the coverage I have seen of it goes only as far as the above,
to say it is total bullship
Just before opening aue I was watching CNN's coverage of Trump's press >>meeting. One of the topics mentioned in his long, rambling, comments
was - again - that he will lower drug costs by "1400 or 1500 percent".
Also noted was how much he wandered in his speech. Sentences on one >>subject morphed into subjects on other subjects without any
discernable reason for the change. It's "stream of thought" without >>consistancy.
Yes. Unsound mind. I'm trying get a count. He still meets with
foreign diplomats, etc., so he is not totally out of it. I have
speculated that he has mood-related memory dysfunction. I'm
now figuring that the episodes are probaby at least three times
per week, but it could be more. The White House months ago
stopped releasing full transcripts of his public sessions. I think >transcripts have been standard for Presidents for a few decades.
A while back, there were a couple of times that he quoted some
professor who described Trump's (earlier) success with a style
of wandering to peripheral subjects, and then "bringing it home"
to a unifying conclusion. At the time Trump mentioned it, he was
(it seemed to me) describing a talent he no longer had.
In article <1rhkmfw.109l0ft66cef8N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <108ej32$2lvoa$4@dont-email.me>, Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
Den 23.08.2025 kl. 22.58 skrev Sam Plusnet:
Servants did much of their work in the scullery, kitchen, butlery etcServant bedrooms (for live-in servants obv.) were up in the attic - so
- "downstairs" - whereas His Nibs frequented the drawing room,
library, dining room, gun room etc - 'upstairs', although in the
country it would be more accurate to describe it as the ground floor,
as opposed to the servants' dungeon-like cellars. In a townhouse the >> masters might literally confine themselves to the first floor and
above.
things were not quite so straightforwards as 'Upstairs Downstairs' would suggest.
Wouldn't they then have a separate staircase to their bedrooms - in reality making it as separate as if they'd been in the cellar.
Yes, "back stairs"
In one country house I saw they even had a tunnel,
to get the gardeners to go and do their gardening things
without being seen from 'upstairs',
Jan
A country house in the next village had a tunnel from the "Front of House"
to the stables so that the disabled owner could get to his horse without
too many people seeing his disability
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <1rhkmfw.109l0ft66cef8N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <108ej32$2lvoa$4@dont-email.me>, Bertel Lund Hansen
<rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
Den 23.08.2025 kl. 22.58 skrev Sam Plusnet:
Servants did much of their work in the scullery, kitchen, butlery etc >>>>>>> - "downstairs" - whereas His Nibs frequented the drawing room,Servant bedrooms (for live-in servants obv.) were up in the attic - so >>>>>> things were not quite so straightforwards as 'Upstairs Downstairs' >>>>>> would suggest.
library, dining room, gun room etc - 'upstairs', although in the >>>>>>> country it would be more accurate to describe it as the ground floor, >>>>>>> as opposed to the servants' dungeon-like cellars. In a townhouse the >>>>>>> masters might literally confine themselves to the first floor and >>>>>>> above.
Wouldn't they then have a separate staircase to their bedrooms - in
reality making it as separate as if they'd been in the cellar.
Yes, "back stairs"
In one country house I saw they even had a tunnel,
to get the gardeners to go and do their gardening things
without being seen from 'upstairs',
Jan
A country house in the next village had a tunnel from the "Front of House" >> to the stables so that the disabled owner could get to his horse without
too many people seeing his disability
That's another kind of tunnel, obviously.
Takes some courage, riding with some disability.
Presumably he had some help getting on and off, inside, out of sight.
Wasn't it the same with the queen?
She was often seen on horseback, and obviously competent,
but no one saw her getting on, or off again.
Must be hard to do elegantly,
Jan
(it even needs lots of courage without)
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 12:47:12 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 12:04:35 -0400, Rich Ulrich
<rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 11:33:00 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
[Trump, lies]
For the claims of reducing drug costs by 1000%, 500%, 1400% --
I would say, "illustrate loss of executive function in speech" rather
than "... total bullshit".
More generally, I think that there is a removal-type resonance to
saying he is "of unsound mind."
One of the things that bothers me about this story is that almost
all the coverage I have seen of it goes only as far as the above,
to say it is total bullship
Just before opening aue I was watching CNN's coverage of Trump's press
meeting. One of the topics mentioned in his long, rambling, comments
was - again - that he will lower drug costs by "1400 or 1500 percent".
Also noted was how much he wandered in his speech. Sentences on one
subject morphed into subjects on other subjects without any
discernable reason for the change. It's "stream of thought" without
consistancy.
Yes. Unsound mind. I'm trying get a count. He still meets with
foreign diplomats, etc., so he is not totally out of it. I have
speculated that he has mood-related memory dysfunction. I'm
now figuring that the episodes are probaby at least three times
per week, but it could be more. The White House months ago
stopped releasing full transcripts of his public sessions. I think transcripts have been standard for Presidents for a few decades.
A while back, there were a couple of times that he quoted some
professor who described Trump's (earlier) success with a style
of wandering to peripheral subjects, and then "bringing it home"
to a unifying conclusion. At the time Trump mentioned it, he was
(it seemed to me) describing a talent he no longer had.
But I am also disturbed by the implications of the fact that nobody
is able or willing to correct him. On just about anything, no matter
how innocuous -- the example that first scared me on this was
when he order the release of the files for JFKs assassination,
totallly unredacted. A couple of hundred people were thoroughly
doxxed, including SS number and place of birth, etc., so the SSA
had to create a couple of hundred new SS numbers. By report,
some members of his staff knew of that stupid consequence, but
no one wanted to annoy him with it. "Kill the messenger" is his
style with bad news (Albrego Garcia; DIA on 'obliterating' Iran's
nuclear capacity; intelligence group that would not claim Venezuela
is 'invading' America with gangs.)
Besides not correcting him to his face, the whole administration
seems to be selected from those who will never admit to any
error, by him or by anyone acting for him; and they will never
cast any blame unless Trump has led the way.
< snip, more about drug prices >
I first rode when I was about 7 or 8. Rode a horse named Kelly at my
Uncle's farm. Bareback only, because Kelly would go too fast if
saddled. I used to have to lead him to a fence, climb the fence, and
swing myself onto him.
Many years later, in 2001, when we moved to a farm, I bought some
horses. I rode three of the five. Got tossed off twice, once when
galloping and a deer broke from a line of trees and spooked the
horse, and once when a different horse was spooked by some cows.
There are definitely horses I would not ride, though.
[...] My first horse experience was when I stayed for the weekend at a school friend's farm. The first evening, my friend's brother took me down to look at a horse, and he suggested that I ride him around a small yard. He said I had to ride without bridle or saddle because they were training the horse to foot commands. That sounded easy enough.
When I finally got off the horse, he said "That's amazing. You're the first person who has managed to stay on him."
The following day I had some riding lessons on a horse that had a mind of his own. When the lesson was over, he started galloping towards a fence, with the obvious intention of jumping the fence. I managed to turn him, but he didn't like that. When I finally dismounted, he stood on my foot, and nobody could shift him for quite some time.