• My Reaction to first episode of Australian Survivor vs. World

    From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Sun Aug 17 21:26:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    Here are my initial thoughts on the first episode. This will include
    spoilers about the ending, so don't read all the way though if you
    haven't watched the episode.

    I have to admit it was exciting to see all these players from six
    different countries being introduced. I actually got chills watching
    them all talk with one another. I was familiar with everyone except
    Kass and Tommy, and a quick google check shows they both finished second
    in their respective seasons. According to Shannon Guss on RHAP (who
    watched their seasons), Kass is very much in the mold of Amanda Kimmel
    as a great social player but also very strong in challenges. Although finishing second, she basically got trounced in the finale, not all that unlike Amanda. As for Tommy, Shannon says he is an extremely
    knowledgeable Survivor player who basically ran his season and was
    perhaps most similar to Rob Cesternino. She says he actually finished
    his season in a 3-3 tie but then lost because his opponent had won an
    extra jury vote as a reward.

    One of the things I wondered about is how well the players knew everyone
    from the other countries. From the opening discussion it was obvious
    that George and David both knew exactly who Rob was, which makes me
    think they probably knew the others as well. I'm pretty sure just about everyone else had also researched their competitors and probably watched
    their seasons - with one exception. Interestingly, Kirby, who had only
    played one prior season, said she went into her first season knowing
    nothing about the other players and she chose to take that same approach
    with this season as well. Kirby is an interesting player who will
    either do very well or be an early out if her tribe loses.

    Not surprisingly, the strategy and gamesmanship started immediately as
    players started talking to one another and making alliances. The David entreaties to Rob didn't surprise me at all, and Lisa fangirling over
    Cerie was also pretty on-brand for her. It also made sense that Parvati
    said the Americans should try to stay together as a unit, figuring the
    other four would try to vote one of them out to make the numbers on
    World 3-3. For their part the four non-Americans on the World tribe
    initially agreed to stay together and vote out one of the US players at
    least on the first vote to maintain their advantage. I was completely
    shocked that didn't happen.

    Three things really surprised me in the episode.

    1) The non-US players on the World tribe not staying together.
    Regardless of how they felt about one another personally, they should
    have put that aside for at least one vote to maintain their advantage.

    2) Rob being so aggressive and bossy with everyone on his tribe to the
    point they all voted against him. To be fair, Rob was also very
    assertive and dominating on his South African season win, but he was
    much more low-key and not so much "in your face" as he was here. I
    almost wondered if he actually wanted to be voted out first and just be
    off the show. Unless I missed it, there was no mention of Rob being on
    the jury.

    3) The fact that the initial US players targeted were Cerie and then
    Parvati, even though Tony was a two-time winner. I did not see that
    coming, nor did I ever expect Tony would be such a minimal presence on
    the first episode. I don't think the other players ever really
    mentioned his name. I do see some logic in voting out Cerie as she is
    the likely to be the weakest in challenges, but I really thought Tony
    would be the obvious first vote-out.

    Rob's parting shot was that an Australian would win the season, and he
    might very well be correct. There are effectively three tribes now -
    the Aussie seven, the three US players and the three non-us/non-Aussie players. World will have to start winning some challenges to avoid
    being decimated.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Sun Aug 17 23:40:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 8/17/2025 7:26 PM, Rick wrote:
    Here are my initial thoughts on the first episode.-a This will include spoilers about the ending, so don't read all the way though if you
    haven't watched the episode.

    I have to admit it was exciting to see all these players from six
    different countries being introduced.-a I actually got chills watching
    them all talk with one another.-a I was familiar with everyone except
    Kass and Tommy, and a quick google check shows they both finished second
    in their respective seasons.-a According to Shannon Guss on RHAP (who watched their seasons), Kass is very much in the mold of Amanda Kimmel
    as a great social player but also very strong in challenges.-a Although finishing second, she basically got trounced in the finale, not all that unlike Amanda.-a As for Tommy, Shannon says he is an extremely
    knowledgeable Survivor player who basically ran his season and was
    perhaps most similar to Rob Cesternino.-a She says he actually finished
    his season in a 3-3 tie but then lost because his opponent had won an
    extra jury vote as a reward.

    One of the things I wondered about is how well the players knew everyone from the other countries.-a From the opening discussion it was obvious
    that George and David both knew exactly who Rob was, which makes me
    think they probably knew the others as well.-a I'm pretty sure just about everyone else had also researched their competitors and probably watched their seasons - with one exception.-a Interestingly, Kirby, who had only played one prior season, said she went into her first season knowing
    nothing about the other players and she chose to take that same approach with this season as well.-a Kirby is an interesting player who will
    either do very well or be an early out if her tribe loses.

    Not surprisingly, the strategy and gamesmanship started immediately as players started talking to one another and making alliances.-a The David entreaties to Rob didn't surprise me at all, and Lisa fangirling over
    Cerie was also pretty on-brand for her.-a It also made sense that Parvati said the Americans should try to stay together as a unit, figuring the
    other four would try to vote one of them out to make the numbers on
    World 3-3.-a For their part the four non-Americans on the World tribe initially agreed to stay together and vote out one of the US players at least on the first vote to maintain their advantage.-a I was completely shocked that didn't happen.

    I wasn't shocked. Rob acted like a dictator and I found his gameplay
    very sloppy. They need to keep in mind this isn't a team game.

    Three things really surprised me in the episode.

    1) The non-US players on the World tribe not staying together.
    Regardless of how they felt about one another personally, they should
    have put that aside for at least one vote to maintain their advantage.

    Like I said above, Rob was a huge liability. Lisa's smart wanting to
    play with Cirie. I don't see Cirie wanting to go to the end with Parv.

    2) Rob being so aggressive and bossy with everyone on his tribe to the
    point they all voted against him.-a To be fair, Rob was also very
    assertive and dominating on his South African season win, but he was
    much more low-key and not so much "in your face" as he was here.-a I
    almost wondered if he actually wanted to be voted out first and just be
    off the show.-a Unless I missed it, there was no mention of Rob being on
    the jury.

    I think he just assumed that the others would want to take out an
    American and not factor in personal relationships, strengths, etc. into
    the equation. There was no mention of Rob being on the jury.

    3)-a The fact that the initial US players targeted were Cerie and then Parvati, even though Tony was a two-time winner.-a I did not see that coming, nor did I ever expect Tony would be such a minimal presence on
    the first episode.-a I don't think the other players ever really
    mentioned his name.-a I do see some logic in voting out Cerie as she is
    the likely to be the weakest in challenges, but I really thought Tony
    would be the obvious first vote-out.

    What surprised me is how Cirie appeared to be the clear favorite of the others. It was like Tony's not that well-known or at least as well-known
    as Cirie and Parv.

    Rob's parting shot was that an Australian would win the season, and he
    might very well be correct.-a There are effectively three tribes now -
    the Aussie seven, the three US players and the three non-us/non-Aussie players.-a World will have to start winning some challenges to avoid
    being decimated.

    I'm not so sure that there's a World team. Lisa seems set on playing
    with Cirie and I think they probably all realize that they need to play together to avoid being wiped out by the Aussies.

    A few comments from me:

    --I found the Aussies to be pretty unlikable for the most part. Is
    George supposed to be the Aussie Richard Hatch? I'm shocked they booted
    the host and replaced him with David.

    --The DONDI talk really surprised me. Rob thought he had Parv when he
    brought it up at TC but she made a very fast recovery pointing out how
    he was talking to David. Parv could have ended David by mentioning he
    won $5.4 million. I laughed when Lisa said something like "Thanks for
    spoiling Deal or No Deal."

    --For not knowing any of the non-American players, I really enjoyed this episode. It actually flew by.
    --
    Brian
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Mon Aug 18 10:05:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 8/18/2025 1:40 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 8/17/2025 7:26 PM, Rick wrote:
    Here are my initial thoughts on the first episode.-a This will include
    spoilers about the ending, so don't read all the way though if you
    haven't watched the episode.

    I have to admit it was exciting to see all these players from six
    different countries being introduced.-a I actually got chills watching
    them all talk with one another.-a I was familiar with everyone except
    Kass and Tommy, and a quick google check shows they both finished
    second in their respective seasons.-a According to Shannon Guss on RHAP
    (who watched their seasons), Kass is very much in the mold of Amanda
    Kimmel as a great social player but also very strong in challenges.
    Although finishing second, she basically got trounced in the finale,
    not all that unlike Amanda.-a As for Tommy, Shannon says he is an
    extremely knowledgeable Survivor player who basically ran his season
    and was perhaps most similar to Rob Cesternino.-a She says he actually
    finished his season in a 3-3 tie but then lost because his opponent
    had won an extra jury vote as a reward.

    One of the things I wondered about is how well the players knew
    everyone from the other countries.-a From the opening discussion it was
    obvious that George and David both knew exactly who Rob was, which
    makes me think they probably knew the others as well.-a I'm pretty sure
    just about everyone else had also researched their competitors and
    probably watched their seasons - with one exception.-a Interestingly,
    Kirby, who had only played one prior season, said she went into her
    first season knowing nothing about the other players and she chose to
    take that same approach with this season as well.-a Kirby is an
    interesting player who will either do very well or be an early out if
    her tribe loses.

    Not surprisingly, the strategy and gamesmanship started immediately as
    players started talking to one another and making alliances.-a The
    David entreaties to Rob didn't surprise me at all, and Lisa fangirling
    over Cerie was also pretty on-brand for her.-a It also made sense that
    Parvati said the Americans should try to stay together as a unit,
    figuring the other four would try to vote one of them out to make the
    numbers on World 3-3.-a For their part the four non-Americans on the
    World tribe initially agreed to stay together and vote out one of the
    US players at least on the first vote to maintain their advantage.-a I
    was completely shocked that didn't happen.

    I wasn't shocked. Rob acted like a dictator and I found his gameplay
    very sloppy. They need to keep in mind this isn't a team game.


    I was thinking about his winning season on South Africa and I realized
    it was very similar to Boston Rob's winning season on US Survivor. Just
    like our Rob, he had complete control of the game, and he had these
    minions who facilitated the win by letting him act like a Godfather
    giving orders at every point of the game. He obviously wasn't prepared
    for someone like Parv standing up to him. (In retrospect, if Boston Rob
    had had a Parvati in the cast that season, I doubt he would have won).


    Three things really surprised me in the episode.

    1) The non-US players on the World tribe not staying together.
    Regardless of how they felt about one another personally, they should
    have put that aside for at least one vote to maintain their advantage.

    Like I said above, Rob was a huge liability. Lisa's smart wanting to
    play with Cirie. I don't see Cirie wanting to go to the end with Parv.


    Good points. As I mentioned, Lisa is quite knowledgeable about American reality shows and has seen all the US Survivor episodes. So she
    certainly knew of Cirie, and would have known of Tony and Parv as well.
    You might be interested to learn that when she won Survivor NZ, she wore
    an RHAP T-Shirt to the finale reunion. (Yes, NZ did a reunion show for
    their two seasons, hosted by Survivor NZ host Matt Chisholm, who is the namesake for the "Chissy award" given out by Shannon Guss on her recaps.)

    2) Rob being so aggressive and bossy with everyone on his tribe to the
    point they all voted against him.-a To be fair, Rob was also very
    assertive and dominating on his South African season win, but he was
    much more low-key and not so much "in your face" as he was here.-a I
    almost wondered if he actually wanted to be voted out first and just
    be off the show.-a Unless I missed it, there was no mention of Rob
    being on the jury.

    I think he just assumed that the others would want to take out an
    American and not factor in personal relationships, strengths, etc. into
    the equation. There was no mention of Rob being on the jury.

    3)-a The fact that the initial US players targeted were Cerie and then
    Parvati, even though Tony was a two-time winner.-a I did not see that
    coming, nor did I ever expect Tony would be such a minimal presence on
    the first episode.-a I don't think the other players ever really
    mentioned his name.-a I do see some logic in voting out Cerie as she is
    the likely to be the weakest in challenges, but I really thought Tony
    would be the obvious first vote-out.

    What surprised me is how Cirie appeared to be the clear favorite of the others. It was like Tony's not that well-known or at least as well-known
    as Cirie and Parv.

    Rob's parting shot was that an Australian would win the season, and he
    might very well be correct.-a There are effectively three tribes now -
    the Aussie seven, the three US players and the three non-us/non-Aussie
    players.-a World will have to start winning some challenges to avoid
    being decimated.

    I'm not so sure that there's a World team. Lisa seems set on playing
    with Cirie and I think they probably all realize that they need to play together to avoid being wiped out by the Aussies.

    A few comments from me:

    --I found the Aussies to be pretty unlikable for the most part. Is
    George supposed to be the Aussie Richard Hatch? I'm shocked they booted
    the host and replaced him with David.


    Yes, George is very much the Richard Hatch of Australian Survivor, even
    down to the fact that he is gay. He is very smart and strategic, and
    you can tell from watching his play that he is a former politician. If anything, he is much more flamboyant and more of a camera hog than Hatch
    was. He is in trouble this season because Shonee now hates him since he blindsided her last season after being an ally to her, and I don't think
    Luke or David particularly like him. Kirby has never played with him
    but is probably too smart to be fooled by him.

    As for David taking over Survivor hosting duties, I don't believe that
    has been announced officially. A lot of people are saying
    it/speculating about it, but I don't know if it's fact. I hope not, as
    he is way to smarmy and full of himself to be a good host. JLP is
    actually quite good in the role.

    --The DONDI talk really surprised me. Rob thought he had Parv when he brought it up at TC but she made a very fast recovery pointing out how
    he was talking to David. Parv could have ended David by mentioning he
    won $5.4 million. I laughed when Lisa said something like "Thanks for spoiling Deal or No Deal."


    I'm sure Parv and David were under a non-disclosure not to reveal the
    DONDI winner, and I'm thinking Parv probably stretched her contract a
    bit by revealing she and David went far in the game together.

    --For not knowing any of the non-American players, I really enjoyed this episode. It actually flew by.


    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Mon Aug 18 16:05:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 8/18/2025 8:05 AM, Rick wrote:
    On 8/18/2025 1:40 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 8/17/2025 7:26 PM, Rick wrote:
    Here are my initial thoughts on the first episode.-a This will include
    spoilers about the ending, so don't read all the way though if you
    haven't watched the episode.

    I have to admit it was exciting to see all these players from six
    different countries being introduced.-a I actually got chills watching
    them all talk with one another.-a I was familiar with everyone except
    Kass and Tommy, and a quick google check shows they both finished
    second in their respective seasons.-a According to Shannon Guss on
    RHAP (who watched their seasons), Kass is very much in the mold of
    Amanda Kimmel as a great social player but also very strong in
    challenges. Although finishing second, she basically got trounced in
    the finale, not all that unlike Amanda.-a As for Tommy, Shannon says
    he is an extremely knowledgeable Survivor player who basically ran
    his season and was perhaps most similar to Rob Cesternino.-a She says
    he actually finished his season in a 3-3 tie but then lost because
    his opponent had won an extra jury vote as a reward.

    One of the things I wondered about is how well the players knew
    everyone from the other countries.-a From the opening discussion it
    was obvious that George and David both knew exactly who Rob was,
    which makes me think they probably knew the others as well.-a I'm
    pretty sure just about everyone else had also researched their
    competitors and probably watched their seasons - with one exception.
    Interestingly, Kirby, who had only played one prior season, said she
    went into her first season knowing nothing about the other players
    and she chose to take that same approach with this season as well.
    Kirby is an interesting player who will either do very well or be an
    early out if her tribe loses.

    Not surprisingly, the strategy and gamesmanship started immediately
    as players started talking to one another and making alliances.-a The
    David entreaties to Rob didn't surprise me at all, and Lisa
    fangirling over Cerie was also pretty on-brand for her.-a It also made
    sense that Parvati said the Americans should try to stay together as
    a unit, figuring the other four would try to vote one of them out to
    make the numbers on World 3-3.-a For their part the four non-Americans
    on the World tribe initially agreed to stay together and vote out one
    of the US players at least on the first vote to maintain their
    advantage.-a I was completely shocked that didn't happen.

    I wasn't shocked. Rob acted like a dictator and I found his gameplay
    very sloppy. They need to keep in mind this isn't a team game.


    I was thinking about his winning season on South Africa and I realized
    it was very similar to Boston Rob's winning season on US Survivor.-a Just like our Rob, he had complete control of the game, and he had these
    minions who facilitated the win by letting him act like a Godfather
    giving orders at every point of the game.-a He obviously wasn't prepared
    for someone like Parv standing up to him.-a (In retrospect, if Boston Rob had had a Parvati in the cast that season, I doubt he would have won).

    If Russell's tribe wasn't a bunch of dumbasses, Boston Rob very well
    might not have won S22. IIRC, Russell's tribe suffered a number of
    losses right after throwing the challenge they used to vote out Russell.

    Three things really surprised me in the episode.

    1) The non-US players on the World tribe not staying together.
    Regardless of how they felt about one another personally, they should
    have put that aside for at least one vote to maintain their advantage.

    Like I said above, Rob was a huge liability. Lisa's smart wanting to
    play with Cirie. I don't see Cirie wanting to go to the end with Parv.


    Good points.-a As I mentioned, Lisa is quite knowledgeable about American reality shows and has seen all the US Survivor episodes.-a So she
    certainly knew of Cirie, and would have known of Tony and Parv as well.
    You might be interested to learn that when she won Survivor NZ, she wore
    an RHAP T-Shirt to the finale reunion. (Yes, NZ did a reunion show for
    their two seasons, hosted by Survivor NZ host Matt Chisholm, who is the namesake for the "Chissy award" given out by Shannon Guss on her recaps.)

    Wow! Cesternino's empire extends across the world.

    2) Rob being so aggressive and bossy with everyone on his tribe to
    the point they all voted against him.-a To be fair, Rob was also very
    assertive and dominating on his South African season win, but he was
    much more low-key and not so much "in your face" as he was here.-a I
    almost wondered if he actually wanted to be voted out first and just
    be off the show.-a Unless I missed it, there was no mention of Rob
    being on the jury.

    I think he just assumed that the others would want to take out an
    American and not factor in personal relationships, strengths, etc.
    into the equation. There was no mention of Rob being on the jury.

    3)-a The fact that the initial US players targeted were Cerie and then
    Parvati, even though Tony was a two-time winner.-a I did not see that
    coming, nor did I ever expect Tony would be such a minimal presence
    on the first episode.-a I don't think the other players ever really
    mentioned his name.-a I do see some logic in voting out Cerie as she
    is the likely to be the weakest in challenges, but I really thought
    Tony would be the obvious first vote-out.

    What surprised me is how Cirie appeared to be the clear favorite of
    the others. It was like Tony's not that well-known or at least as
    well-known as Cirie and Parv.

    Rob's parting shot was that an Australian would win the season, and
    he might very well be correct.-a There are effectively three tribes
    now - the Aussie seven, the three US players and the three non-us/
    non-Aussie players.-a World will have to start winning some challenges
    to avoid being decimated.

    I'm not so sure that there's a World team. Lisa seems set on playing
    with Cirie and I think they probably all realize that they need to
    play together to avoid being wiped out by the Aussies.

    A few comments from me:

    --I found the Aussies to be pretty unlikable for the most part. Is
    George supposed to be the Aussie Richard Hatch? I'm shocked they
    booted the host and replaced him with David.


    Yes, George is very much the Richard Hatch of Australian Survivor, even
    down to the fact that he is gay.-a He is very smart and strategic, and
    you can tell from watching his play that he is a former politician.-a If anything, he is much more flamboyant and more of a camera hog than Hatch was.-a He is in trouble this season because Shonee now hates him since he blindsided her last season after being an ally to her, and I don't think Luke or David particularly like him.-a Kirby has never played with him
    but is probably too smart to be fooled by him.

    How long ago was George a politician? Usually there's a period of time
    they have to wait before being able to do such shows.

    As for David taking over Survivor hosting duties, I don't believe that
    has been announced officially.-a A lot of people are saying it/
    speculating about it, but I don't know if it's fact.-a I hope not, as he
    is way to smarmy and full of himself to be a good host.-a JLP is actually quite good in the role.

    It's fact. I posted articles showing it's fact and JLP himself said he
    was booted.

    --The DONDI talk really surprised me. Rob thought he had Parv when he
    brought it up at TC but she made a very fast recovery pointing out how
    he was talking to David. Parv could have ended David by mentioning he
    won $5.4 million. I laughed when Lisa said something like "Thanks for
    spoiling Deal or No Deal."


    I'm sure Parv and David were under a non-disclosure not to reveal the
    DONDI winner, and I'm thinking Parv probably stretched her contract a
    bit by revealing she and David went far in the game together.

    I just did a bit of research to confirm a suspicion I had. Endemol Shine Australia is behind Survivor Australia and Endemol Shine North America
    is behind DONDI. They're both owned by Banijay which appears to own a
    ton of reality TV programs around the world. I'd say it's safe to say
    Parv didn't stretch her contract at all. It was probably an intentional mention to promote DONDI.
    --
    Brian
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Mon Aug 18 20:31:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 8/18/2025 6:05 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 8/18/2025 8:05 AM, Rick wrote:
    On 8/18/2025 1:40 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 8/17/2025 7:26 PM, Rick wrote:
    Here are my initial thoughts on the first episode.-a This will
    include spoilers about the ending, so don't read all the way though
    if you haven't watched the episode.

    I have to admit it was exciting to see all these players from six
    different countries being introduced.-a I actually got chills
    watching them all talk with one another.-a I was familiar with
    everyone except Kass and Tommy, and a quick google check shows they
    both finished second in their respective seasons.-a According to
    Shannon Guss on RHAP (who watched their seasons), Kass is very much
    in the mold of Amanda Kimmel as a great social player but also very
    strong in challenges. Although finishing second, she basically got
    trounced in the finale, not all that unlike Amanda.-a As for Tommy,
    Shannon says he is an extremely knowledgeable Survivor player who
    basically ran his season and was perhaps most similar to Rob
    Cesternino.-a She says he actually finished his season in a 3-3 tie
    but then lost because his opponent had won an extra jury vote as a
    reward.

    One of the things I wondered about is how well the players knew
    everyone from the other countries.-a From the opening discussion it
    was obvious that George and David both knew exactly who Rob was,
    which makes me think they probably knew the others as well.-a I'm
    pretty sure just about everyone else had also researched their
    competitors and probably watched their seasons - with one exception.
    Interestingly, Kirby, who had only played one prior season, said she
    went into her first season knowing nothing about the other players
    and she chose to take that same approach with this season as well.
    Kirby is an interesting player who will either do very well or be an
    early out if her tribe loses.

    Not surprisingly, the strategy and gamesmanship started immediately
    as players started talking to one another and making alliances.-a The >>>> David entreaties to Rob didn't surprise me at all, and Lisa
    fangirling over Cerie was also pretty on-brand for her.-a It also
    made sense that Parvati said the Americans should try to stay
    together as a unit, figuring the other four would try to vote one of
    them out to make the numbers on World 3-3.-a For their part the four
    non-Americans on the World tribe initially agreed to stay together
    and vote out one of the US players at least on the first vote to
    maintain their advantage.-a I was completely shocked that didn't happen. >>>
    I wasn't shocked. Rob acted like a dictator and I found his gameplay
    very sloppy. They need to keep in mind this isn't a team game.


    I was thinking about his winning season on South Africa and I realized
    it was very similar to Boston Rob's winning season on US Survivor.
    Just like our Rob, he had complete control of the game, and he had
    these minions who facilitated the win by letting him act like a
    Godfather giving orders at every point of the game.-a He obviously
    wasn't prepared for someone like Parv standing up to him.-a (In
    retrospect, if Boston Rob had had a Parvati in the cast that season, I
    doubt he would have won).

    If Russell's tribe wasn't a bunch of dumbasses, Boston Rob very well
    might not have won S22. IIRC, Russell's tribe suffered a number of
    losses right after throwing the challenge they used to vote out Russell.

    Three things really surprised me in the episode.

    1) The non-US players on the World tribe not staying together.
    Regardless of how they felt about one another personally, they
    should have put that aside for at least one vote to maintain their
    advantage.

    Like I said above, Rob was a huge liability. Lisa's smart wanting to
    play with Cirie. I don't see Cirie wanting to go to the end with Parv.


    Good points.-a As I mentioned, Lisa is quite knowledgeable about
    American reality shows and has seen all the US Survivor episodes.-a So
    she certainly knew of Cirie, and would have known of Tony and Parv as
    well. You might be interested to learn that when she won Survivor NZ,
    she wore an RHAP T-Shirt to the finale reunion. (Yes, NZ did a reunion
    show for their two seasons, hosted by Survivor NZ host Matt Chisholm,
    who is the namesake for the "Chissy award" given out by Shannon Guss
    on her recaps.)

    Wow! Cesternino's empire extends across the world.

    2) Rob being so aggressive and bossy with everyone on his tribe to
    the point they all voted against him.-a To be fair, Rob was also very >>>> assertive and dominating on his South African season win, but he was
    much more low-key and not so much "in your face" as he was here.-a I
    almost wondered if he actually wanted to be voted out first and just
    be off the show.-a Unless I missed it, there was no mention of Rob
    being on the jury.

    I think he just assumed that the others would want to take out an
    American and not factor in personal relationships, strengths, etc.
    into the equation. There was no mention of Rob being on the jury.

    3)-a The fact that the initial US players targeted were Cerie and
    then Parvati, even though Tony was a two-time winner.-a I did not see >>>> that coming, nor did I ever expect Tony would be such a minimal
    presence on the first episode.-a I don't think the other players ever >>>> really mentioned his name.-a I do see some logic in voting out Cerie
    as she is the likely to be the weakest in challenges, but I really
    thought Tony would be the obvious first vote-out.

    What surprised me is how Cirie appeared to be the clear favorite of
    the others. It was like Tony's not that well-known or at least as
    well-known as Cirie and Parv.

    Rob's parting shot was that an Australian would win the season, and
    he might very well be correct.-a There are effectively three tribes
    now - the Aussie seven, the three US players and the three non-us/
    non-Aussie players.-a World will have to start winning some
    challenges to avoid being decimated.

    I'm not so sure that there's a World team. Lisa seems set on playing
    with Cirie and I think they probably all realize that they need to
    play together to avoid being wiped out by the Aussies.

    A few comments from me:

    --I found the Aussies to be pretty unlikable for the most part. Is
    George supposed to be the Aussie Richard Hatch? I'm shocked they
    booted the host and replaced him with David.


    Yes, George is very much the Richard Hatch of Australian Survivor,
    even down to the fact that he is gay.-a He is very smart and strategic,
    and you can tell from watching his play that he is a former
    politician.-a If anything, he is much more flamboyant and more of a
    camera hog than Hatch was.-a He is in trouble this season because
    Shonee now hates him since he blindsided her last season after being
    an ally to her, and I don't think Luke or David particularly like
    him.-a Kirby has never played with him but is probably too smart to be
    fooled by him.

    How long ago was George a politician? Usually there's a period of time
    they have to wait before being able to do such shows.


    I don't think they have the same rules about that in the UK. It sounds
    like he was active in politics right up to the moment he decided to be
    on the show. According to an article about George:

    "Decision time came for Mladenov in 2021. He was confident being
    preselected for a safe spot on LaborrCOs ticket for Canterbury-Bankstown council. And he was offered Survivor. rCLI [thought], rCyCan I do both? Can you go on a TV show and be a real-life political candidate?rCO [ItrCOs] probably not going to fly. I decided to prioritise myself for the first
    time in 10 years. IrCOm glad I did.rCY

    Full article here:

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/can-reality-tv-stars-be-politicians-in-australia-survivor-star-king-george-thinks-so-20240621-p5jns2.html


    As for David taking over Survivor hosting duties, I don't believe that
    has been announced officially.-a A lot of people are saying it/
    speculating about it, but I don't know if it's fact.-a I hope not, as
    he is way to smarmy and full of himself to be a good host.-a JLP is
    actually quite good in the role.

    It's fact. I posted articles showing it's fact and JLP himself said he
    was booted.

    It's a fact that JLP got booted. I don't think it's confirmed that
    Davide Genat replaces him.


    --The DONDI talk really surprised me. Rob thought he had Parv when he
    brought it up at TC but she made a very fast recovery pointing out
    how he was talking to David. Parv could have ended David by
    mentioning he won $5.4 million. I laughed when Lisa said something
    like "Thanks for spoiling Deal or No Deal."


    I'm sure Parv and David were under a non-disclosure not to reveal the
    DONDI winner, and I'm thinking Parv probably stretched her contract a
    bit by revealing she and David went far in the game together.

    I just did a bit of research to confirm a suspicion I had. Endemol Shine Australia is behind Survivor Australia and Endemol Shine North America
    is behind DONDI. They're both owned by Banijay which appears to own a
    ton of reality TV programs around the world. I'd say it's safe to say
    Parv didn't stretch her contract at all. It was probably an intentional mention to promote DONDI.


    Yes, but this was filmed before DONDI aired - hence Lisa's spoiler crack
    - and regardless of who owns what, they still would not want Parv or
    David spoiling the show for the cast and crew to hear the results. For
    that matter, at the time of filming, I don't think it was known that it
    would take so long for Surv OZ v World to come to air. The season of Australian Survivor filmed after this actually aired first.

    BTW, in addition to her spoiler crack, I also thought Lisa's comment
    about the "reality world multiverse" was pretty funny.

    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Mon Aug 18 23:36:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 8/18/2025 6:31 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 8/18/2025 6:05 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 8/18/2025 8:05 AM, Rick wrote:
    On 8/18/2025 1:40 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 8/17/2025 7:26 PM, Rick wrote:
    Here are my initial thoughts on the first episode.-a This will
    include spoilers about the ending, so don't read all the way though >>>>> if you haven't watched the episode.

    I have to admit it was exciting to see all these players from six
    different countries being introduced.-a I actually got chills
    watching them all talk with one another.-a I was familiar with
    everyone except Kass and Tommy, and a quick google check shows they >>>>> both finished second in their respective seasons.-a According to
    Shannon Guss on RHAP (who watched their seasons), Kass is very much >>>>> in the mold of Amanda Kimmel as a great social player but also very >>>>> strong in challenges. Although finishing second, she basically got
    trounced in the finale, not all that unlike Amanda.-a As for Tommy, >>>>> Shannon says he is an extremely knowledgeable Survivor player who
    basically ran his season and was perhaps most similar to Rob
    Cesternino.-a She says he actually finished his season in a 3-3 tie >>>>> but then lost because his opponent had won an extra jury vote as a
    reward.

    One of the things I wondered about is how well the players knew
    everyone from the other countries.-a From the opening discussion it >>>>> was obvious that George and David both knew exactly who Rob was,
    which makes me think they probably knew the others as well.-a I'm
    pretty sure just about everyone else had also researched their
    competitors and probably watched their seasons - with one
    exception. Interestingly, Kirby, who had only played one prior
    season, said she went into her first season knowing nothing about
    the other players and she chose to take that same approach with
    this season as well. Kirby is an interesting player who will either >>>>> do very well or be an early out if her tribe loses.

    Not surprisingly, the strategy and gamesmanship started immediately >>>>> as players started talking to one another and making alliances.
    The David entreaties to Rob didn't surprise me at all, and Lisa
    fangirling over Cerie was also pretty on-brand for her.-a It also
    made sense that Parvati said the Americans should try to stay
    together as a unit, figuring the other four would try to vote one
    of them out to make the numbers on World 3-3.-a For their part the
    four non-Americans on the World tribe initially agreed to stay
    together and vote out one of the US players at least on the first
    vote to maintain their advantage.-a I was completely shocked that
    didn't happen.

    I wasn't shocked. Rob acted like a dictator and I found his gameplay
    very sloppy. They need to keep in mind this isn't a team game.


    I was thinking about his winning season on South Africa and I
    realized it was very similar to Boston Rob's winning season on US
    Survivor. Just like our Rob, he had complete control of the game, and
    he had these minions who facilitated the win by letting him act like
    a Godfather giving orders at every point of the game.-a He obviously
    wasn't prepared for someone like Parv standing up to him.-a (In
    retrospect, if Boston Rob had had a Parvati in the cast that season,
    I doubt he would have won).

    If Russell's tribe wasn't a bunch of dumbasses, Boston Rob very well
    might not have won S22. IIRC, Russell's tribe suffered a number of
    losses right after throwing the challenge they used to vote out Russell.

    Three things really surprised me in the episode.

    1) The non-US players on the World tribe not staying together.
    Regardless of how they felt about one another personally, they
    should have put that aside for at least one vote to maintain their
    advantage.

    Like I said above, Rob was a huge liability. Lisa's smart wanting to
    play with Cirie. I don't see Cirie wanting to go to the end with Parv. >>>>

    Good points.-a As I mentioned, Lisa is quite knowledgeable about
    American reality shows and has seen all the US Survivor episodes.-a So
    she certainly knew of Cirie, and would have known of Tony and Parv as
    well. You might be interested to learn that when she won Survivor NZ,
    she wore an RHAP T-Shirt to the finale reunion. (Yes, NZ did a
    reunion show for their two seasons, hosted by Survivor NZ host Matt
    Chisholm, who is the namesake for the "Chissy award" given out by
    Shannon Guss on her recaps.)

    Wow! Cesternino's empire extends across the world.

    2) Rob being so aggressive and bossy with everyone on his tribe to
    the point they all voted against him.-a To be fair, Rob was also
    very assertive and dominating on his South African season win, but
    he was much more low-key and not so much "in your face" as he was
    here.-a I almost wondered if he actually wanted to be voted out
    first and just be off the show.-a Unless I missed it, there was no
    mention of Rob being on the jury.

    I think he just assumed that the others would want to take out an
    American and not factor in personal relationships, strengths, etc.
    into the equation. There was no mention of Rob being on the jury.

    3)-a The fact that the initial US players targeted were Cerie and
    then Parvati, even though Tony was a two-time winner.-a I did not
    see that coming, nor did I ever expect Tony would be such a minimal >>>>> presence on the first episode.-a I don't think the other players
    ever really mentioned his name.-a I do see some logic in voting out >>>>> Cerie as she is the likely to be the weakest in challenges, but I
    really thought Tony would be the obvious first vote-out.

    What surprised me is how Cirie appeared to be the clear favorite of
    the others. It was like Tony's not that well-known or at least as
    well-known as Cirie and Parv.

    Rob's parting shot was that an Australian would win the season, and >>>>> he might very well be correct.-a There are effectively three tribes >>>>> now - the Aussie seven, the three US players and the three non-us/
    non-Aussie players.-a World will have to start winning some
    challenges to avoid being decimated.

    I'm not so sure that there's a World team. Lisa seems set on playing
    with Cirie and I think they probably all realize that they need to
    play together to avoid being wiped out by the Aussies.

    A few comments from me:

    --I found the Aussies to be pretty unlikable for the most part. Is
    George supposed to be the Aussie Richard Hatch? I'm shocked they
    booted the host and replaced him with David.


    Yes, George is very much the Richard Hatch of Australian Survivor,
    even down to the fact that he is gay.-a He is very smart and
    strategic, and you can tell from watching his play that he is a
    former politician.-a If anything, he is much more flamboyant and more
    of a camera hog than Hatch was.-a He is in trouble this season because
    Shonee now hates him since he blindsided her last season after being
    an ally to her, and I don't think Luke or David particularly like
    him.-a Kirby has never played with him but is probably too smart to be
    fooled by him.

    How long ago was George a politician? Usually there's a period of time
    they have to wait before being able to do such shows.


    I don't think they have the same rules about that in the UK.-a It sounds like he was active in politics right up to the moment he decided to be
    on the show.-a According to an article about George:

    "Decision time came for Mladenov in 2021. He was confident being
    preselected for a safe spot on LaborrCOs ticket for Canterbury-Bankstown council. And he was offered Survivor. rCLI [thought], rCyCan I do both? Can you go on a TV show and be a real-life political candidate?rCO [ItrCOs] probably not going to fly. I decided to prioritise myself for the first
    time in 10 years. IrCOm glad I did.rCY

    Full article here:

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/can-reality-tv-stars-be- politicians-in-australia-survivor-star-king-george-thinks-so-20240621- p5jns2.html


    As for David taking over Survivor hosting duties, I don't believe
    that has been announced officially.-a A lot of people are saying it/
    speculating about it, but I don't know if it's fact.-a I hope not, as
    he is way to smarmy and full of himself to be a good host.-a JLP is
    actually quite good in the role.

    It's fact. I posted articles showing it's fact and JLP himself said he
    was booted.

    It's a fact that JLP got booted.-a I don't think it's confirmed that
    Davide Genat replaces him.

    Here you go.

    https://www.bandt.com.au/golden-god-david-genat-takes-over-as-host-of-australian-survivor/

    --The DONDI talk really surprised me. Rob thought he had Parv when
    he brought it up at TC but she made a very fast recovery pointing
    out how he was talking to David. Parv could have ended David by
    mentioning he won $5.4 million. I laughed when Lisa said something
    like "Thanks for spoiling Deal or No Deal."


    I'm sure Parv and David were under a non-disclosure not to reveal the
    DONDI winner, and I'm thinking Parv probably stretched her contract a
    bit by revealing she and David went far in the game together.

    I just did a bit of research to confirm a suspicion I had. Endemol
    Shine Australia is behind Survivor Australia and Endemol Shine North
    America is behind DONDI. They're both owned by Banijay which appears
    to own a ton of reality TV programs around the world. I'd say it's
    safe to say Parv didn't stretch her contract at all. It was probably
    an intentional mention to promote DONDI.


    Yes, but this was filmed before DONDI aired - hence Lisa's spoiler crack
    - and regardless of who owns what, they still would not want Parv or
    David spoiling the show for the cast and crew to hear the results. For
    that matter, at the time of filming, I don't think it was known that it would take so long for Surv OZ v World to come to air.-a The season of Australian Survivor filmed after this actually aired first.

    Cast and crew have to sign NDAs. Even though this is airing after DONDI,
    if people hadn't seen the season David won they might want to now.

    BTW, in addition to her spoiler crack, I also thought Lisa's comment
    about the "reality world multiverse" was pretty funny.

    I agree. I like it when reality shows acknowledge that players have
    often appeared on other shows.
    --
    Brian
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2