• Are the SEC3 SMTP hosts the only ones left?

    From albert@albert@zero.example.net to alt.privacy.anon-server on Fri Aug 8 10:27:29 2025
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    I'm glad they're there, but are there other lists? Are all of our
    eggs in one basket, so to speak?

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  • From Yamn Remailer@noreply@mixmin.net to alt.privacy.anon-server on Fri Aug 8 11:07:40 2025
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    albert@zero.example.net wrote:

    I'm glad they're there, but are there other lists? Are all of our
    eggs in one basket, so to speak?

    SEC3 maintains a list of forwarding mail hosts, but he's not the only
    one who offers such a service. Furthermore there's a good chance that
    remailer packets can be transferred directly from the user to the
    respective remailer's SMTP server. So there's no critical SPOF, which
    may bring our remailer systems down.

    <https://www.sec3.net/misc/mail-relays.txt>

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  • From Nomen Nescio@nobody@dizum.com to alt.privacy.anon-server on Fri Aug 8 12:29:12 2025
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    I'm glad they're there, but are there other lists? Are all of our
    eggs in one basket, so to speak?

    What do you need them for? Don't you guys have DNS?

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  • From J@J@M to alt.privacy.anon-server on Sun Aug 10 05:07:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

    On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 11:07:40 +0100, Yamn Remailer <noreply@mixmin.net> wrote: >albert@zero.example.net wrote:
    I'm glad they're there, but are there other lists? Are all of our
    eggs in one basket, so to speak?

    SEC3 maintains a list of forwarding mail hosts, but he's not the only
    one who offers such a service. Furthermore there's a good chance that >remailer packets can be transferred directly from the user to the
    respective remailer's SMTP server. So there's no critical SPOF, which
    may bring our remailer systems down. ><https://www.sec3.net/misc/mail-relays.txt>

    seems like "sec3" is _the_ list in a.p.a-s (works with omnimix and qsl)

    https://www.sec3.net/misc/mail-relays.txt
    =======> Getting from disk file after update:
    # Last updated on Thu Jul 24 2025
    # Please report new relays or corrections to SEC3 <admin@sec3.net>

    ==== for Mixmaster ====
    mailrelay.archiade.net:25 and 587 2525
    mailrelay.sec3.net:25 and 587 2525 >6wlmvflobk2ztvvfdese4y3zpkigsx2qbz5v6bfkamijnwifnxgpw6id.onion:25 587 2525 >4uwpi53u524xdphjw2dv5kywsxmyjxtk4facb76jgl3sc3nda3sz4fqd.onion:25 >pncuiafaqnsi2mnj3ij7uqyxdu2ofzjwwzvhxid5cdxkvjhil2pszbid.onion:25 >xilb7y4kj6u6qfo45o3yk2kilfv54ffukzei3puonuqlncy7cn2afwyd.onion:25 >zj7hy3b5noij347nqy2fk3zaw3bddpawdyr72yfruq6r6nwo6z4ryiqd.onion:25 587 2525 >a6sy4mr4vpnnfhlop2vthsi4heaonouxtrat2hpz2dzbcf45twpxvzyd.onion:25*

    * frell or frell2 must be the first remailer in your remailer chain when using >a6sy4mr4vpnnfhlop2vthsi4heaonouxtrat2hpz2dzbcf45twpxvzyd.onion:25
    Example frell,*,*,paranoia

    ==== for YAMN ====
    mailrelay.archiade.net:25 and 587 2525
    mailrelay.sec3.net:25 and 587 2525 >6wlmvflobk2ztvvfdese4y3zpkigsx2qbz5v6bfkamijnwifnxgpw6id.onion:25 587 2525 >dkudsc3rn7r4m2gdvje6vmcnmglmt2m6whc3oazd65oyi7mvfbgfnzqd.onion:25 587 >pncuiafaqnsi2mnj3ij7uqyxdu2ofzjwwzvhxid5cdxkvjhil2pszbid.onion:25 >xilb7y4kj6u6qfo45o3yk2kilfv54ffukzei3puonuqlncy7cn2afwyd.onion:25 >zj7hy3b5noij347nqy2fk3zaw3bddpawdyr72yfruq6r6nwo6z4ryiqd.onion:25 587 2525 >a6sy4mr4vpnnfhlop2vthsi4heaonouxtrat2hpz2dzbcf45twpxvzyd.onion:25*

    * Frell must be the first remailer in your remailer chain when using >a6sy4mr4vpnnfhlop2vthsi4heaonouxtrat2hpz2dzbcf45twpxvzyd.onion:25
    Example frell,*,*,paranoyamn
    [end quote]

    the omnimix user manual twice mentions "freemailers" and other options . . .

    https://www.danner-net.de/omom/tutorremaildelivery.htm
    OmniMix * Tutorial * Remailing * Delivery Alternatives
    There are three strategies to forward your messages to the remailer system:
    * You transfer all packets to your ISP's mail server, which then sends them to
    the entry remailer(s).
    Atrl_All_Mails
    * Deactivate the 'Use Anon Mail Host' checkbox at the 'Anon' tab in order to
    use the mail server configured at the 'Mail S' tab.
    * Enter the access data of your ISP at the 'Mail S' tab.
    * If you don't like to involve your ISP in anonymous transmissions, then send
    remailer data through an alternative mail server (maybe an anonymously created
    freemailer account) or directly to the SMTP port of a single entry remailer. >Atrl_All_Anonmails_Anon
    * Activate the 'Use Anon Mail Host' checkbox at the 'Anon' tab in order to use
    the mail server(s) configured at the 'Anon Mail S' tab.
    * At the 'Anon Mail S' > 'Anon' tab enter the communication parameters of the
    mail servers you intend to use for anonymous messages. You can either specify >mail hosts that aren't restricted to specific mail addresses (e.g. the one of >your ISP or a freemailer) or ones that are only run to supply their own remailer.
    The 'Mx Relays' tab holds a list of remailers, which offer such a service, and >their access data. For mail servers associated to a single remailer you have to
    set the remailer name and specify how to modify the remailer chain accordingly
    (by replacing the existing entry remailer or prepending it as another one).
    * If 'Random Selection' is checked instead of using the server selected within
    the list the mail hosts for delivery are randomly chosen from those list entries
    for which 'Random' is activated. With more than 4 remaining delivery attempts
    only a portion of the unsent chunks (1/(passes-3), which means with 8 remaining
    passes 1/5 = 20%) is chosen to be sent to a single SMTP host to increase >redundancy.
    * An encrypted communication and the usage of Tor would further increase your
    security. Information about 'Hidden Services' and how to set up Tor can be found
    in the 'Tor' section of this manual.
    * Finally there's a way to forward packets directly to the remailer network but
    avoid the dependence on one single entry remailer. In this case OmniMix tries to
    find the remailer-associated mail host for each packet by itself. If an >unintermediate transfer to the remailer fails, either because its mail host can't
    be found or rejects the message, the packet finally is sent to it through an >unrestricted mail server.
    Atrl_All_Anonmails_Direct
    * Activate the 'Use Anon Mail Host' checkbox at the 'Anon' tab in order to use
    the mail server(s) configured at the 'Anon Mail S' tab.
    * Activate direct delivery at the 'Anon Mail S' > 'Direct' tab.
    * Select an unrestricted, not remailer-associated mail server from the list of
    anonymous mail hosts ('Anon Mail S' > 'Anon' tab) as a fallback option in case
    direct delivery of the actual chunk isn't possible.
    * For a direct package delivery to the entry remailer OmniMix first has to
    figure out the associated mail host(s) (by a DNS MX record lookup). Problems >arise when for anonymity reasons all traffic has to be routed through Tor. As Tor
    itself neither provides such a lookup service by itself nor supports the UDP >protocol, the standard for DNS requests, OmniMix is compelled to strictly use the
    TCP protocol to contact DNS servers, which however not all of them allow. That's
    why TCP compatible name servers, like those run by OpenNIC have to be entered >into the 'Name Servers' list ('Services' > 'DNS' tab), used by OmniMix for that
    purpose.
    Nym related messages are forwarded using the same method as 'normal' anonymous
    packets.
    [end quoted plain text]

    but i'm only a simple user of anonymous remailers for posting to usenet newsgroups, so the sec3 list (and dizum's smtp) is all i've been using

    searching the a.p.a-s archive (lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu) for subject has
    "relay" includes articles listing "open smtp relays" (from the 1990s),
    or searching subject has "smtp" shows over fifteen-hundred(1542) hits,
    " isp" (<space>isp) over six hundred (648) . . . it seems complicated, recommend using sec3's list (unless you really know what you're doing)

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  • From Nomen Nescio@nobody@dizum.com to alt.privacy.anon-server on Sun Aug 10 04:28:56 2025
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    * Finally there's a way to forward packets directly to the remailer network but
    avoid the dependence on one single entry remailer. In this case OmniMix tries to
    find the remailer-associated mail host for each packet by itself.

    This is the only option you need.

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  • From Nomen Nescio@nobody@dizum.com to alt.privacy.anon-server on Tue Aug 12 13:34:31 2025
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    On 09 Aug 2025, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> posted some news:20250810042856.xrsuV5WU3GUR@sewer.dizum.com:

    * Finally there's a way to forward packets directly to the remailer
    network but
    avoid the dependence on one single entry remailer. In this case
    OmniMix tries to find the remailer-associated mail host for each
    packet by itself.

    This is the only option you need.

    This will relay via smtp.gmail.com:465.

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