From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

I don't quite understand all the entries.

The "Post" entry via mail2news has
dizum, frannie, middleman, frell2, paranoia & frell.

Does the above mean that those are the only remailers that can be used
to post anon when using mail2news with QSL?

If so, then what does the middleman list mean?
banana, frannie, middleman, & shalo.

banana and shalo are not in the mail2news list. If they are middleman
entries, why aren't they in the mail2news list.

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From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

In article <2e2a7ee0e901a168db692cd9f1c448fe@dizum.com>
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

I don't quite understand all the entries.

The "Post" entry via mail2news has
dizum, frannie, middleman, frell2, paranoia & frell.

Does the above mean that those are the only remailers that can be used
to post anon when using mail2news with QSL?

If so, then what does the middleman list mean?
banana, frannie, middleman, & shalo.

banana and shalo are not in the mail2news list. If they are middleman entries, why aren't they in the mail2news list.

If you don't use a M2N gateway (p.e. mail2news@dizum.com)
with an exit remailer then use this template for posting


Host: YOUR SMTP Host
From: anonymous@anonymous.com
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=2;
References:
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject:

Chain of this posting
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=3;
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server

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From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

In article <c7c4975bad8bb80a2a33665adfb264af@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:

In article <2e2a7ee0e901a168db692cd9f1c448fe@dizum.com>
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

I don't quite understand all the entries.

The "Post" entry via mail2news has
dizum, frannie, middleman, frell2, paranoia & frell.

Does the above mean that those are the only remailers that can be used
to post anon when using mail2news with QSL?

If so, then what does the middleman list mean?
banana, frannie, middleman, & shalo.

banana and shalo are not in the mail2news list. If they are middleman entries, why aren't they in the mail2news list.

If you don't use a M2N gateway (p.e. mail2news@dizum.com)
with an exit remailer then use this template for posting

Host: YOUR SMTP Host
From: anonymous@anonymous.com
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=2;
References:
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject:

Chain of this posting
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=3;
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server

How does this template post, especially without a To: field?

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From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 01:32:04 +0200, Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:

Path: news..!news2.arglkargh.de!news.theremailer.net!frell.theremailer.net!anonymous
From: Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> >Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above.
It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software.
Please report problems or inappropriate use to the
remailer administrator at <abuse@frell.theremailer.net>.
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
References: <2e2a7ee0e901a168db692cd9f1c448fe@dizum.com>
Subject: Re: Question: Remailer Capability Tool on Sec3's site?
Message-ID: <c7c4975bad8bb80a2a33665adfb264af@msgid.frell.theremailer.net> >Precedence: anon
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2025 01:32:04 +0200
Mail-To-News-Contact: abuse@frell.theremailer.net
Organization: Frell Anonymous Remailer
Xref: news.neodome.net alt.privacy.anon-server:24856
If you don't use a M2N gateway (p.e. mail2news@dizum.com)
with an exit remailer then use this template for posting

Host: YOUR SMTP Host
From: anonymous@anonymous.com
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=2;
References:
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject:

Chain of this posting
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=3;
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server

just curious, seems frannie can work in "exit" position of chain . . .

"also sends mail to... /^estragon(?:\+[^@]+)?@frell\.theremailer\.net$/"

http://echolot.theremailer.net/thesaurus/

frannie mix@franxial.com 2025-08-03 >http://echolot.theremailer.net/thesaurus/24.conf
Remailer-Type: Mixmaster 3.1
Supported formats:
Mixmaster
Cypherpunk with PGP encryption
Pool size: 75
Maximum message size: 1024 kB
In addition to other remailers, this remailer also sends mail to these
addresses directly:
/@nym\.mixmin\.net$/
/@nymph\.paranoici\.org$/
/^echolot[+@]/
/^pinger[+@]/
/^estragon(?:\+[^@]+)?@frell\.theremailer\.net$/
...

frell godot@remailer.frell.eu.org 2025-08-03 >http://echolot.theremailer.net/thesaurus/3.conf
Remailer-Type: Mixmaster 3.0
Supported formats:
Mixmaster
Cypherpunk with PGP encryption
Pool size: 234
Maximum message size: 1024 kB
The following header lines will be filtered:
/^Sender:/
/^X-Sender:/
/^Resent-/
/^Approved:/
/^Errors-To:/
/^Message-ID:/
/^Comments: Authenticated sender is/
/^Path:/
/^Received:/
/^Precedence:/
/^Control:/ => delete message
/^Newsgroups:.*,.*,.*,.*,.*,/ => delete message
/^From:([^@]*)$/From:$1 <fritz@rodent.frell.eu.org>/
/^From:([^<]*)<[^>]*> (<.*>)$/From:$1 $2/
...

http://echolot.theremailer.net/mlist2.txt

Stats-Version: 2.0
Generated: Mon 04 Aug 2025 00:00:02 GMT
Mixmaster Latent-Hist Latent Uptime-Hist Uptime Options >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >dizum 211110212111 :34 +++++++++++9 99.3% PR GO ATLEUIN0 >frell 360222245124 1:34 +++++++++++8 99.0% PR GO ATLE IN9 >banana ???????????? 99:59 000000000000 0.0% D R IN1 >frannie ???????????? 99:59 000000000000 0.0% DPR GO ATLE IN9

^

frell2 ???????????? 99:59 000000000000 0.0% PR IN9 >middleman ???????????? 99:59 000000000000 0.0% DPR IN >paranoia ???????????? 99:59 000000000000 0.0% PR GO ATLE IN >shalo ???????????? 99:59 000000000000 0.0% D R GO ATLE IN9
slow ???????????? 99:59 000000000000 0.0% D R IN1

[end quoted excerpts]

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From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 01:32:04 +0200, Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:

If you don't use a M2N gateway (p.e. mail2news@dizum.com)
with an exit remailer then use this template for posting

Host: YOUR SMTP Host
From: anonymous@anonymous.com
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=2;
References:
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject:

Chain of this posting
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=3;
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server

using qsl 1.1.4 on proxy tor4a, 9150 (w/omnimix and tor browser running):

Fcc: outbox
Host: mailrelay.archiade.net:2525
Chain: *,*,frannie; copies=3;
From: <random> <random@random.domain>
From: D <J@M>
References: <2e2a7ee0e901a168db692cd9f1c448fe@dizum.com> <c7c4975bad8bb80a2a33665adfb264af@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject: Re: Question: Remailer Capability Tool on Sec3's site?

Session: 2025-08-03 18:..
proxy: proxy1http
https://barnish.org/echolot/mlist.txt...ok >https://barnish.org/echolot/pubring.mix...ok >https://barnish.org/echolot/rlist.txt...ok >https://barnish.org/echolot/pgp-all.asc...ok
deceased remailers:
ipsum
slow
done!

testing 1 2 3 4 . . .

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From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

On 03 Aug 2025, Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire- 202508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> posted some news:c7c4975bad8bb80a2a33665adfb264af@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:

In article <2e2a7ee0e901a168db692cd9f1c448fe@dizum.com>
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

I don't quite understand all the entries.

The "Post" entry via mail2news has
dizum, frannie, middleman, frell2, paranoia & frell.

Does the above mean that those are the only remailers that can be used
to post anon when using mail2news with QSL?

If so, then what does the middleman list mean?
banana, frannie, middleman, & shalo.

banana and shalo are not in the mail2news list. If they are middleman
entries, why aren't they in the mail2news list.

If you don't use a M2N gateway (p.e. mail2news@dizum.com)
with an exit remailer then use this template for posting

Host: YOUR SMTP Host
From: anonymous@anonymous.com
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=2;
References:
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject:

Chain of this posting
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=3;
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server

Nod, there is flexibility with it.

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From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

In article <073448b4ac3bbb432d4b89d48464bfa8@dizum.com>
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

In article <c7c4975bad8bb80a2a33665adfb264af@msgid.frell.theremailer.net> Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:

In article <2e2a7ee0e901a168db692cd9f1c448fe@dizum.com>
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

I don't quite understand all the entries.

The "Post" entry via mail2news has
dizum, frannie, middleman, frell2, paranoia & frell.

Does the above mean that those are the only remailers that can be used
to post anon when using mail2news with QSL?

If so, then what does the middleman list mean?
banana, frannie, middleman, & shalo.

banana and shalo are not in the mail2news list. If they are middleman entries, why aren't they in the mail2news list.

If you don't use a M2N gateway (p.e. mail2news@dizum.com)
with an exit remailer then use this template for posting

Host: YOUR SMTP Host
From: anonymous@anonymous.com
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=2;
References:
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject:

Chain of this posting
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=3;
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server

How does this template post, especially without a To: field?

Follow the instructions the OP provided and use alt.test .

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From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

In article <2a42740c66c30bff93a21189d16c0ea3@dizum.com>
D <J@M> wrote:

On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 01:32:04 +0200, Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:

If you don't use a M2N gateway (p.e. mail2news@dizum.com)
with an exit remailer then use this template for posting

Host: YOUR SMTP Host
From: anonymous@anonymous.com
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=2;
References:
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject:

Chain of this posting
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=3;
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server

using qsl 1.1.4 on proxy tor4a, 9150 (w/omnimix and tor browser running):

Fcc: outbox
Host: mailrelay.archiade.net:2525
Chain: *,*,frannie; copies=3;
From: <random> <random@random.domain>
From: D <J@M>
References: <2e2a7ee0e901a168db692cd9f1c448fe@dizum.com> <c7c4975bad8bb80a2a33665adfb264af@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject: Re: Question: Remailer Capability Tool on Sec3's site?

Session: 2025-08-03 18:..
proxy: proxy1http
https://barnish.org/echolot/mlist.txt...ok >https://barnish.org/echolot/pubring.mix...ok >https://barnish.org/echolot/rlist.txt...ok >https://barnish.org/echolot/pgp-all.asc...ok
deceased remailers:
ipsum
slow
done!

testing 1 2 3 4 . . .

5



































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From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

In article <2a42740c66c30bff93a21189d16c0ea3@dizum.com>
D <J@M> wrote:

On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 01:32:04 +0200, Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:

If you don't use a M2N gateway (p.e. mail2news@dizum.com)
with an exit remailer then use this template for posting

Host: YOUR SMTP Host
From: anonymous@anonymous.com
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=2;
References:
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject:

Chain of this posting
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=3;
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server

using qsl 1.1.4 on proxy tor4a, 9150 (w/omnimix and tor browser running):

Fcc: outbox
Host: mailrelay.archiade.net:2525
Chain: *,*,frannie; copies=3;
From: <random> <random@random.domain>
From: D <J@M>
References: <2e2a7ee0e901a168db692cd9f1c448fe@dizum.com> <c7c4975bad8bb80a2a33665adfb264af@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject: Re: Question: Remailer Capability Tool on Sec3's site?

Session: 2025-08-03 18:..
proxy: proxy1http
https://barnish.org/echolot/mlist.txt...ok >https://barnish.org/echolot/pubring.mix...ok >https://barnish.org/echolot/rlist.txt...ok >https://barnish.org/echolot/pgp-all.asc...ok
deceased remailers:
ipsum
slow
done!

testing 1 2 3 4 . . .

Assuming it got here. Here's a reply.

Proxy: proxy1
Fcc: outbox
Host: dashe.franxial.com:25
From: anon@anon.net
From: mythbusters <none@none.invalid>
Chain: *,*,frannie; copies=3;
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
References: <2e2a7ee0e901a168db692cd9f1c448fe@dizum.com>
<c7c4975bad8bb80a2a33665adfb264af@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
<2a42740c66c30bff93a21189d16c0ea3@dizum.com>
Subject: Re: Question: Remailer Capability Tool on Sec3's site?























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From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

Host: dashe.franxial.com:25
Chain: *,*,frannie; copies=3;

Why would you use the same host as entry and exit for your message?

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From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 12:22:05 +0200, mythbusters <none@none.invalid> wrote:

In article <2a42740c66c30bff93a21189d16c0ea3@dizum.com>
D <J@M> wrote:

On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 01:32:04 +0200, Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:

If you don't use a M2N gateway (p.e. mail2news@dizum.com)
with an exit remailer then use this template for posting

Host: YOUR SMTP Host
From: anonymous@anonymous.com
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=2;
References:
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject:

Chain of this posting
Chain: *,*,*,frannie; copies=3;
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server

using qsl 1.1.4 on proxy tor4a, 9150 (w/omnimix and tor browser running):

Fcc: outbox
Host: mailrelay.archiade.net:2525
Chain: *,*,frannie; copies=3;
From: <random> <random@random.domain>
From: D <J@M>
References: <2e2a7ee0e901a168db692cd9f1c448fe@dizum.com> <c7c4975bad8bb80a2a33665adfb264af@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject: Re: Question: Remailer Capability Tool on Sec3's site?

Session: 2025-08-03 18:..
proxy: proxy1http
https://barnish.org/echolot/mlist.txt...ok
https://barnish.org/echolot/pubring.mix...ok
https://barnish.org/echolot/rlist.txt...ok
https://barnish.org/echolot/pgp-all.asc...ok
deceased remailers:
ipsum
slow
done!

testing 1 2 3 4 . . .

Assuming it got here. Here's a reply.

Proxy: proxy1
Fcc: outbox
Host: dashe.franxial.com:25
From: anon@anon.net
From: mythbusters <none@none.invalid>
Chain: *,*,frannie; copies=3;
Post: alt.privacy.anon-server
References: <2e2a7ee0e901a168db692cd9f1c448fe@dizum.com>
<c7c4975bad8bb80a2a33665adfb264af@msgid.frell.theremailer.net> <2a42740c66c30bff93a21189d16c0ea3@dizum.com>
Subject: Re: Question: Remailer Capability Tool on Sec3's site?

p.s.

having used the template that i previously posted, qsl did work using "post" instead of "to" . . . it took over three hours to get there, sent 19:07 (mdt) but didn't arrive until 22:46 = 3:39 . . . also, that message header did not appear to use frell at all, but only dizum, and i'm sure i did not click yes when prompted by qsl to confirm: "last remailer in your chain is a middleman remailer...would you like to select another remailer?" . . . i saved the log (which shows i used 4 copies instead of 3, otherwise verbatim using template):

[begin quote]

Session: 2025-08-03 19:06:28
Default proxy: proxy1tor4a

Sending message 1 of 1
Proxy: proxy1tor4a
Encountered mixmaster message
Mixmaster reports 4 chains:
frell,banana,frannie
frell,middleman,frannie
dizum,banana,frannie
middleman,banana,frannie

Sending mixmaster packet 1 of 4
Proxy: proxy1tor4a
Connected to mailrelay.archiade.net:2525
220 tidalhost2.archiade.net ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) 250-tidalhost2.archiade.net
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 10240000
250-VRFY
250-ETRN
250-STARTTLS
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250-DSN
250-SMTPUTF8
250 CHUNKING
220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS
250-tidalhost2.archiade.net
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 10240000
250-VRFY
250-ETRN
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250-DSN
250-SMTPUTF8
250 CHUNKING
250 2.1.0 Ok
250 2.1.5 Ok
354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>
250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 9A7BF4012B
221 2.0.0 Bye
Connection closed!
Ok

Sending mixmaster packet 2 of 4
Proxy: proxy1tor4a
Connected to mailrelay.archiade.net:2525
220 tidalhost2.archiade.net ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) 250-tidalhost2.archiade.net
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 10240000
250-VRFY
250-ETRN
250-STARTTLS
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250-DSN
250-SMTPUTF8
250 CHUNKING
220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS
250-tidalhost2.archiade.net
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 10240000
250-VRFY
250-ETRN
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250-DSN
250-SMTPUTF8
250 CHUNKING
250 2.1.0 Ok
250 2.1.5 Ok
354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>
250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 308374012B
221 2.0.0 Bye
Connection closed!
Ok

Sending mixmaster packet 3 of 4
Proxy: proxy1tor4a
Connected to mailrelay.archiade.net:2525
220 tidalhost2.archiade.net ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) 250-tidalhost2.archiade.net
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 10240000
250-VRFY
250-ETRN
250-STARTTLS
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250-DSN
250-SMTPUTF8
250 CHUNKING
220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS
250-tidalhost2.archiade.net
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 10240000
250-VRFY
250-ETRN
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250-DSN
250-SMTPUTF8
250 CHUNKING
250 2.1.0 Ok
250 2.1.5 Ok
354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>
250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as C13384012B
221 2.0.0 Bye
Connection closed!
Ok

Sending mixmaster packet 4 of 4
Proxy: proxy1tor4a
Connected to mailrelay.archiade.net:2525
220 tidalhost2.archiade.net ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) 250-tidalhost2.archiade.net
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 10240000
250-VRFY
250-ETRN
250-STARTTLS
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250-DSN
250-SMTPUTF8
250 CHUNKING
220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS
250-tidalhost2.archiade.net
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 10240000
250-VRFY
250-ETRN
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250-DSN
250-SMTPUTF8
250 CHUNKING
250 2.1.0 Ok
250 2.1.5 Ok
354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>
250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 030044012B
221 2.0.0 Bye
Connection closed!
Ok

0 in message queue
2 in problem queue (0 new)
4 sent

All mail sent!

[end quote]

qsl's "mlist.txt" indicates typical stats:

Last update: Mon 04 Aug 2025 00:50:02 GMT
mixmaster history latency uptime >--------------------------------------------
banana +**+++* 54:29 100.00%
dizum ******+***** 33:00 100.00%
frannie **+*****+*** 39:00 100.00%
frell +++-++-+++++ 2:50:00 100.00%

^ ^^

middleman ************ 14:00 100.00%
shalo ******* 36:30 99.88%
paranoia ****++*+**++ 57:00 99.78%
frell2 +---------++ 7:51:00 99.71%

so the 3 1/2 hour delay could be because "frell" (2:50) forwarded
to "dizum" (don't know why it would do that, no problem since the
full "from" header works with either, frell adds ~2 hours latency
and has higher klen, but frannie >frell >dizum = double-forwarded)

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From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

frell,banana,frannie

frannie is not an exit remailer.

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From Newsgroup: alt.privacy.anon-server

In article <20250804161535.2S01a8va10U6@sewer.dizum.com>
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

frell,banana,frannie

frannie is not an exit remailer.

ssssh. don't tell frannie.

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