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    From: ldetweil@teal.csn.org (L.Detweiler)
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    Subject: The Theory of Nymity
    Date: 25 Mar 1995 19:14:21 GMT
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    The Theory of Nymity
    The Detweiler Thesis
    The Sociology of Cypherpunkism

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    Detweiler was the first to pioneer the "theory of nymity". Observing
    that various forms of anonymity and pseudonymity were blurred in the
    popular consciousness and that the subject was awash with irrational >emotionalism and ill-defined terms, he sought to formalize and
    crystalize the fundamental concepts and distinctions involved.

    The cypherpunks definitely pioneered forms of nymity, and passionately >champion the general issue, particulary its ramifications in
    cyberspace; however they refuse to confront the issue openly and
    overtly, suggesting they perceive some sort of stigma or taboo
    associated with their practices. They also refuse to contemplate
    negative or potentially disastrous social effects of the associated >scenarios, asserting all forms of nymity are either indistinguishable
    or essentially morally neutral practices that invariably extend the
    rights of the individual in the face of the oppressive State or
    massive corporations. They see all forms of nymity as merely one
    unified hacksaw of the serf, useful and effective in cutting away
    chains of bondage in the Sisyphean struggle for privacy.

    Detweiler confronted the diverse implications of nymity by elevating
    the subject of "nymity" to a study complete in itself. Abstracting
    from his writings, Detweiler considered the concept of a "nym
    spectrum" involving the key concepts of receiver of a message,
    sender, and identity. At various points on the nym spectrum, the
    receiver has varying degrees of knowledge about the identity of the
    sender.

    In a Detweilerian model of nymity, an abstract communications space
    exists in which messages and their identification can be dissociated
    from their senders while still being directed at receivers. A set of
    "formal senders" is juxtaposed or overlaid on top of the "actual
    senders" analogous to the way formal and actual parameters in
    structured computer programs are defined and related.

    A "formal sender" is the labeled origination of a message sent by an
    "actual sender", who may or may not be identified. The "formal
    sender" may be identified in some way that is independent from the
    "actual sender" identification. If an actual sender A is identified
    as sender B in the message, B is the "formal identification" for the
    sender whose "actual identity" is A.

    Detweiler defined the various forms of nymity based on the knowledge
    of the sender, say party C. This is his critical distinction that
    cypherpunks denied, arguing that all the forms of nymity he saw a
    difference between were really interchangeable and indistinguishable,
    and therefore identical. They do not recognize any relevance of the >"knowledge" or mental state of the receiver in regards to messages.
    (In a sense the philosophy is similar to behaviorism in asserting
    the invalidity of internal mental state.)

    A "true name" is defined as a situation where the message is
    identified from the actual sender, e.g. message sender is identified
    as "A" who actually sent it.

    An "anonymous" message is a message with no identification whatsoever. >Detweiler sometimes called this "hit and run anonymity". There is no >attribution in the message to any sender, either formal or actual.
    Entity "C" knows the message could be from anyone.

    A "pseudonym" is defined as a situation where the message has an >identification, but the receiver is correctly aware that the
    identification on the message is not the actual identification. I.e.
    C receives a message labelled as originating from "B", but C knows
    that "B" is a nym for some other party that *could be* (but not >*necessarily*) actually identified as "A".

    Detweiler defined "pseudoanonymity" as the blurred situation between
    the anonymous and the pseudonymous message. The receiver C sees a
    message as originating from "B", but C is not aware that "B" is a
    formal nym that may actually identify some other party such as A.
    Entity A is said to be "pseudospoofing" entity C.

    The cypherpunks argue that there is in principle no difference between >Detweiler's "pseudoanonymity" and the classic "pseudonymity", stating
    that anywhere there is an "actual" nym, a receiver cannot be sure it
    is not really a formal one, and vice versa (i.e., any nym is
    potentially a pseudonym or true name). In fact they say there is >fundamentally no distinction to be made between formal and actual
    nyms.

    The critical question is of course is how "actual" and "formal" nyms
    are defined. What does it mean to "identify" a sender with a nym?
    Detweiler adapted to the ambiguities in the following way. He defined
    the "actual nym" (or, interchangeably, the "true name") as an
    identification for party A if for every context where an actual nym
    applies, that party is identified as A. Call this the "actual nym
    scenario". The definition appears to be somewhat circular but he was
    able to derive conclusions from the premise.

    Suppose that a context was established in which the "actual nym"
    scenario applied, and a message was identified as from "A". Then "A"
    is the actual nym of the sender. Suppose that the context is not
    "actual" (the converse will be considered the "formal") and the
    message is identified as from B. If there is some "additional
    information" that B is a "true name", then B is the actual sender,
    and no other party sent the message (forms of the "additional
    information clause will be considered below). Otherwise no conclusion
    can be made about the actual sender.

    In general, in an "actual context" the actual sender is always the
    formal sender. In a formal context, the actual sender is dissociated
    from the formal identity of the message, but "independent
    information" may pinpoint the actual identity.

    But the question of how the formal or actual context is established is
    still unresolved. Detweiler suggested it would be based on the
    declarations of the message. If the message "declared" it was from an
    actual sender, the actual context applies. If there is no
    declaration, the formal context is assumed.

    Obviously contradictions can arise within these definitions if the
    sender "lies". Detweiler simply observed that a logical theory could
    be built up based on his premises from which conclusions could be
    drawn. Furthermore, there is the fundamental observation that in a
    formal nymity system, "true" conclusions about actual identity can
    only be derived from message contents if participants "don't lie". A
    core premise of the theory is that an entity can express statements
    such as "my true name is [x]" in the communication system. (This
    is one form of the "additional information" clause above.)

    The cypherpunks believe that if the communication system includes only
    the formal context, there is no such thing as a "lie". Detweiler
    however maintained that as long as the actual system exists (or more >particularly the overlay of a formal system over an actual one), lies
    can exist, although they may be undetectable within the formal
    system. (In this sense it is analogous to a Godel Theorem for Nymity,
    making an observation about a phenomenon that "exists" but is
    "undetectable" within the formal system, with the parallelism of >"mathematical" and "metamathematical" statements mapping to "formal"
    and "actual" communication systems.)

    The Detweiler Thesis

    Detweiler had a preoccupation for considering the "community", which
    is defined as a formal or actual context in which communication takes
    place in both ways between a group of entities (i.e. entity A may be
    a receiver of sender B and vice versa for all members of the group).
    He explored the implications of both the formally and actually
    identified communities, and consistently objected to the actual >identification scheme as at least uninteresting and at most too >constraining, mirroring the quintessentially cypherpunkesque
    position. However Detweiler diverged from the philosophy by
    repeatedly emphasizing a basic premise, which is currently unprovable >speculation much the same way that the Church-Turing thesis is: in
    a formally identified community system where participants don't
    "lie" about actual identity, the communication of the "community" is
    of "higher quality".

    A concrete example from everyday experience is that of book
    publishing. Some books may exist in a "formally identified"
    community in which all the authors of the community agree to
    associate their actual identity with the book (the "message"). Other
    books may exist in a "formally identified" community in which authors >identify themselves other than with their "true names". Detweiler
    asserted that a book could "lie" and state that it was to be taken in
    the actual context (i.e. "A is the author of this book, and A is not
    a pseudonym"). Cypherpunks denied there was such a thing as a "lie"
    this context or even a "true name" in any context. Essentially they
    consider any statements in the message that refer to identity or its
    formal vs. actual context as nonexistent, invalid, and/or
    meaningless.

    Detweiler suggested that a "scientific community" was an example of a >communications system dedicated to actual identities, or at least a
    formal identification system where the occurence of lying was minimal
    and considered anomalous, and that its "success" in achieving an
    overall climate of "quality" communication is partly due to the
    convention.

    Detweiler emphasized that it is not the case everyone must be actually >identified in the community to fulfill his thesis (which is expressly
    about formal communities, not actual ones), only that parties in the
    system "don't lie". The cypherpunks completely, either inadvertently
    or deliberately, misconstrue or obfuscate his position as asserting
    that the formal context of nymity is never of "higher quality".
    Actually, Detweiler frequently expressed an aversion to the actual
    identity community and championed the formal context of communication
    as an embodiment of privacy, just as the cypherpunks. But he diverged
    from the cypherpunks by insisting that "lies exist" in the formal
    context which they heatedly denied.

    Another of Detweiler's observations was not only were "lies" possible
    in a formal communications system, but there were "worse lies" in
    formal systems that embodied two-way community communication. An
    example of this is cyberspace, where a sender can ask questions of
    the receiver such as "are you using a pseudonym?" or "are you
    communicating under formal names other than [x,y,z]"? (These are
    examples of the "additional information" clause above that
    discriminates pseudonymity from pseudoanonymity.) He noted that
    questions like these can be answered "truthfully" while at the same
    time not necessarily divulging actual identities, a distinction
    critical to the understanding of Detweilerian theories. The
    cypherpunks either asserted that such questions were fundamentally >illegitimate and invariably deserved no answer by the receiver, or
    even that any answer (including a "lie") was justified in response.

    Detweiler observed that some formal identification systems have some
    other useful properties, such that "if [a] and [b] are different
    formal names, [a] and [b] denote different entities". Or, "for all
    formal names [a], there is a single entity actually identified as
    [a]." Furthermore, in a community where senders don't "lie", these >properties can actually be derived by asking particular questions of
    the senders. (The question of whether the receiver *must* answer
    certain questions, or not at all, leads to additional ramifications.) >Detweiler's very critical observation, however, was that even though
    there is additional "knowledge" about the uniqueness of identities in
    these systems, the mappings of formal nyms to actual identities
    cannot necessarily be derived. This is the basis of his claim that
    even if the entities in a formal system "don't lie", they don't
    necessarily reveal their actual identities, and that this critically >desirable property of "privacy" is preserved.

    The idea of a "true name" is a very problematic and perplexing
    concept in the same way that the concept of "absolute space" is
    troubling to the theory of Newtonian mechanics, which Einsteinian
    relativity sought to remove, starting with the premise that "there is
    no preferred reference frame". The cypherpunks cite the absurdity of
    the "true name" concept in an analogous argument and attempt to
    discredit Detweilerian theories on this basis. However the theory is
    not based on "true names" but the existence of "entities", hence this >cypherpunk position translated to its most basic form, becomes,
    essentially, "unique communication sources (such as 'humans') don't
    exist" (or analogously in the Einsteinian metaphor, "mass and energy
    do not exist").

    In other words, assuming that "unique entities exist", and statements
    about identity can be made in the communication system, it is
    possible for entity A to say "my true name is 'C'" in one message and
    in another "my true name is 'B'", a situation which would be
    considered a "lie"-- the significance of the reference to the entity
    as "A" is irrelevant. The "true name" of an entity A is simply
    defined as an arbitrary but unique nym which, if considered the
    actual identity of A, would not contradict the statements of any of
    A's messages (or replies to questions).

    Simply put, the "true name" has the property that if two derivations
    in the form "[x] has true name [y]" and "[x] has true name [z]" can
    be made from the meanings of [x]'s statements in [x]'s messages, then
    y = z. Hence, if entity [x] simultaneously states "my true name is
    [y]" and "my true name is [z]" in any messages (the receiver is
    irrelevant) and y != z, then entity [x] is "lying".

    The essence of the idea of "true identification" is that there is a >one-to-one mapping between "entities" and "true names". The
    representation of the "true name" is irrelevant. Detweiler certainly
    did not make the absurd claim that a "true name" had any special
    syntactic properties. He also did not claim that "true name
    registries" had to be erected to provide the feature, although they
    could support it. At the core of the concept is the idea that every
    entity in a "truthful" system must make a choice as to their actual
    name identification and not "lie" about its properties in messages
    that refer to it.

    The cypherpunks ruthlessly ridiculed this concept of communication
    explicitly involving "trust" and "honesty" between participants. One
    famous objection was that "that which cannot be enforced should not
    be prohibited". That is, if the unique mapping of true names to
    actual entities was not a precise, mathematical certainty, it
    effectively does not exist. Hence the cypherpunks generally base
    their model of the reality of communications on fundamentally
    different premises than Detweiler which reject the existence of the
    concept of "truthfulness".

    Detweiler countered by suggesting that communities with communications
    based on trust and honesty and the contrary not only both exist, but
    that discrepancies between the two probably existed as well and
    furthermore were worthy of study. (Again, he conjectured that the
    "dishonest" communications forums led to "disharmony" without further >defining the term.) All these distinctions lie in the area Detweiler
    denoted under the heading "morality" which again the cypherpunks
    generally deny exists in an abstract communications system.

    Hence the key formal ideas of the overall theme that communications
    systems could lead to significantly different scenarios based on the >"honesty" or "truthfulness" of members of a community with respect to >identity had been addressed for the first time by Detweiler, but at
    great cost to Detweiler's credibility within the cypherpunk circles,
    which have rebuffed, ridiculed, and excommunicated him. Detweiler
    tended to take this as evidence that the core cypherpunk philosophy
    was not about seeking privacy, which he went to pains to demonstrate
    existed in his "honest" systems, but rather a sort of denial of the >existence of morality in cyberspace-- that the question of "whether a
    message 'lies' about it's authors identity" is inherently
    meaningless, a premise he strongly rejected.

    The Sociology of Cypherpunkism

    Detweiler went far beyond theoretical study in his research of these
    areas of Nymity. He considered the cypherpunk beliefs in these areas
    worthy of a systematic sociological survey because of the apparent
    taboos and stigmas the cypherpunks apparently associated with some of
    their positions, either applied by themselves or that they perceived
    were held by others. He found they were reluctant to reveal their
    true beliefs on the subject and consistently refused to answer even
    vague questions like "how many pseudonyms are you using? are you
    using any at all? do you think forums where pseudonyms are not used,
    by agreement of participants, are desirable or could have superior
    quality?"

    Detweiler believed to have found signs the cypherpunks actually have
    very complex beliefs, practices, and techniques in the areas of
    identity subterfuge which they refuse to reveal except to fellow
    "insiders", something like an elaborate secret religion or unorthodox
    sexual practice. For Detweiler, cyberspace and cypherpunkism are a
    microcosm of the way that humanity seems to mix the concepts of >accountability, morality, and identity in an intricate, tangled,
    inscrutable web, a place where the ideas of "candor" vs. "privacy"
    are viscerally manifested.

    Detweiler often observed the interplay between "true name,
    pseudonymous, and anonymous" messages was somewhat analogous to the
    Freudian concept of the dance between the superego, ego, and the id,
    or formal vs. actual identification systems like the subconscious vs.
    the conscious awareness. (He once even compared pseudospoofing
    scenarios to demonic posession and multiple personality disorders.)
    Perhaps his most relentless and enduring theme was that nymity
    issues are an area inherently worthy of serious or even intense
    scientific inquiry because they lie at the core of human society and >interactions.

    The Detweilerian distinctions are very critical in understanding the >cypherpunk philosophy and the schism with conventional morality he
    claimed it embodied. Essentially the cypherpunks assert "lies about
    identity don't exist in cyberspace". Detweiler argued not only that
    "lies about identity in cyberspace exist", but further claimed that
    "lies about identity diminish the quality of communications within
    the community" and that "privacy is not necessarily compromised by
    honesty". However his position is often erroneously lampooned by the >cypherpunks as a ridiculously (but hilariously) distorted
    charicature such as "true name identification should be enforced by
    strict laws of the State because pseudonyms are inherently evil"
    when in fact his distinctions, conclusions, and claims are far more >sophisticated and subtle.

    Whether the Detweiler Thesis asserting "superior quality communication
    in honest formal indentification systems" can ever be demonstrated,
    and whether the unrecognizably distorted portrayals of his theories
    by the cypherpunks are deliberate or due to the inherent
    incomprehensibility of the concept to peculiar brain anatomies, are
    the key, unresolved, "open" questions and matters of further
    research in the study of the sociology of cypherpunkism and the
    theory of Nymity.
    [end quoted plain text]

    see also:
    https://web.archive.org/web/*/csn.net/%7Eldetweil/ https://web.archive.org/web/19981207062325/http://www.csn.net/%7Eldetweil/ >L.Detweiler
    Welcome to Medusa's Snakes in Cyberspace, a WWW site honoring the notorious and
    infamous net legend and crackpot extraordinaire, L. Detweiler. (Above, the only
    known picture rumored to be of L.D.)
    Who is L. Detweiler?
    Why is L.D. famous? Is L.D. a real person? And what the @#$%^&* is his real
    first name?
    The Theory of Nymity
    A complex formal study of Nymity and L.D.'s seminal contributions, including
    The Detweiler Thesis and the Sociology of Cypherpunkism.
    Tentacle Tussels
    Some of the more enduring L.D. posts on the inexhaustably scintillating
    subject, Medusa's Snakes in Cyberspace
    News & Views
    cypherpunk charicatures and commentary by insiders and outsiders. Digital
    cash, reputations, cypherpunk religion, Kodak moments, comic relief, etc. >Sarcastic Signatures
    Is L.D. cyberspace's biggest hypocrite? A history of the evolution of L.D.'s
    performance art embodied in a collection of cyberspatial tentacle
    masterpieces.
    Hall of Shame
    A rather lengthy list of L.D.'s bloody deaths in cyberspace and the
    executioners on duty
    Published Works
    Essays and FAQs by L.D.'s occasionally-sighted respectable alter ego,
    apparently a computer programmer.
    Last Sightings
    L.D. is as elusive as an endangered species. Here's some rumors of his
    whereabouts.
    Frivolous Funnies
    circulating Internet humor that tickles L.D.'s funny bone, useful for
    psychoanalyzing his personality.
    Other Sites
    Psychopunkery
    T.C.May's Cyphernomicon - straight from the evil mastermind himself
    Cryptoanarchy and Virtual Communities - white paper by aforementioned
    megalomaniac in a very slick online journal
    Vince Cate's Cryptorebel/Cypherpunk Page
    Matt Thomlinson's Assorted Cypherpunks Topics
    Community ConneXion - A cool site that promotes anonymous accounts, digital
    cash, and all the other cypherpunk wet-dream technology.
    Raph Levien's remailer page - amazing how long it took to get this simple and
    basic utility from the cypherpunk crowd -- and surprise! written by an outsider
    cypherpunk list archives at Infinity
    Andrew Bacard, author of various cypherpunk-relevant books and FAQs (PGP,
    anonymity, privacy, etc)
    Dingaling Denning, another fiendish cypherpunk archnemesis
    Digital Cash
    Digicash Inc. founded by cypherpunk hero David Chaum
    e$ home page maintained by cypherpunk Robert Hettinga
    Organizations
    RSA Data Securities, Inc.
    Crypto Newsletter
    Electronic Frontier Foundation
    Center for Democracy and Technology
    Voters Telecommunications Watch
    Rating Services
    Point Communications
    IWay 500
    Hot spots
    John Labovitz's e-zine-list - very well maintained, comprehensive list of
    cyberspatial "zines". Zines are the killer app of cyberspace, like the bible
    was for Gutenberg.
    SLiRP - a neat public domain SLIP emulator that runs over a Unix shell
    account. Useful for saving money at many internet providers.
    Liszt - the best and most comprehensive searchable index of internet mailing
    lists.
    Ideosphere - a betting pool or investment arena on "memes"
    hit statistics searchable for this site, showing how utterly inconseqential
    L.D.'s rants are in the grand cosmic scheme
    FAQ collection at Ohio State University
    Linux - world's first public domain Unix operating system
    Cranks, Kooks, Crackpots, and Conspiracies
    Disinformation - a web site focusing on corporate tyranny that insists
    "Everything you know is wrong"
    50 Greatest Conspiracies - a new book by one of the coauthors a writer for
    Wired
    Illuminet Press specializing in conspiracy theories
    Conspiracy Nation archives - the most amazing behind-the-scenes information
    on international political intrigues available if you're willing to wade through
    Orlin Grabbe has a fascinating web site on "conspiracy theories" (or
    it alternative analysis?) and is rumored to have been a guest at a cypherpunk
    meeting.
    Kook of the Month Award - celebrating years of the highest quality kooks on
    Usenet and in cyberspace
    The Bastard Operator From Hell - screw-the-users philosophy epitomized
    Est. Nov 1994 / Upd. Sep 1996
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