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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-15144953/Auto-giants-collapse-sparks-recession-fears-haunting-parallel-2008-crash-Canary-coal-mine.html

. . .

No, it's not all Trump's fault - sorry.

Auto prices have been shooting up for years, but
consumers have kept taking on bigger and bigger
loans to pay for new vehicles anyway because
they had to.

But now, with other things - esp rent and home
loans - also being ridiculous, they just CAN'T
pay everything anymore.

So, they're defaulting on car loans en-masse.

Finance companies, you're just SCREWED.

There will be a chain of related industries
that will also suffer.

Individual income is NOT going to suddenly shoot
up by 50% - enough to cover everything.

So where's that leave us ?

This is big broad money stuff, even a POTUS can't
do much about it. The 'usual stuff' is just too
expensive and now there will be an implosion
just like with the last property bubble.

'Capitalism' has a lot of good points - but
the trend towards inflation/speculative-pricing
aren't one of those good features. Seems to
ensure endless boom/bust cycles. All 'systems'
have their flaws.

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 02:46:28 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-15144953/Auto-giants-collapse-sparks-recession-fears-haunting-parallel-2008-crash-Canary-coal-mine.html

. . .

No, it's not all Trump's fault - sorry.

Auto prices have been shooting up for years, but
consumers have kept taking on bigger and bigger
loans to pay for new vehicles anyway because
they had to.

But now, with other things - esp rent and home
loans - also being ridiculous, they just CAN'T
pay everything anymore.

So, they're defaulting on car loans en-masse.

Finance companies, you're just SCREWED.

There will be a chain of related industries
that will also suffer.

Individual income is NOT going to suddenly shoot
up by 50% - enough to cover everything.

So where's that leave us ?

This is big broad money stuff, even a POTUS can't
do much about it. The 'usual stuff' is just too
expensive and now there will be an implosion
just like with the last property bubble.

'Capitalism' has a lot of good points - but
the trend towards inflation/speculative-pricing
aren't one of those good features. Seems to
ensure endless boom/bust cycles. All 'systems'
have their flaws.

This actually has zero to do with Trump. The ridiculous prices for
cars for the last several years and the population insisting that they
need new cars is causing a massive crisis. This is going to be a huge reorganization after a huge crash.
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c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in news:nUqdnc5II_xZ4Ub1nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-15144953/Auto-giants-coll apse-sparks-recession-fears-haunting-parallel-2008-crash-Canary-coal-mi ne.html

. . .

No, it's not all Trump's fault - sorry.

Trump said we are now in his
"Golden Age of America", remember?

Auto prices have been shooting up for years, but
consumers have kept taking on bigger and bigger
loans to pay for new vehicles anyway because
they had to.

But now, with other things - esp rent and home
loans - also being ridiculous, they just CAN'T
pay everything anymore.

So, they're defaulting on car loans en-masse.

Finance companies, you're just SCREWED.

Everyone is getting screwed in Trump's
economy (see below) except him and his small
class of fellow elites.

There will be a chain of related industries
that will also suffer.

The GOP controls every branch of
government, what are they doing about
this?




The Conservative Agenda:

Make life harder for veterans
Make life harder for retirees
Make life harder for teachers
Make life harder for farmers
Make life harder for consumers
Make life harder for students
Make life harder for disaster victims
Make life harder for tourists
Make life harder for gay people
Make life harder for trans people
Make life harder for sick people
Make life harder for homeless people
Make life harder for students
Make life harder for voters
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 12:58:35 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in >news:nUqdnc5II_xZ4Ub1nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-15144953/Auto-giants-coll
apse-sparks-recession-fears-haunting-parallel-2008-crash-Canary-coal-mi
ne.html

. . .

No, it's not all Trump's fault - sorry.

Trump said we are now in his
"Golden Age of America", remember?

Auto prices have been shooting up for years, but
consumers have kept taking on bigger and bigger
loans to pay for new vehicles anyway because
they had to.

But now, with other things - esp rent and home
loans - also being ridiculous, they just CAN'T
pay everything anymore.

So, they're defaulting on car loans en-masse.

Finance companies, you're just SCREWED.

Everyone is getting screwed in Trump's
economy (see below) except him and his small
class of fellow elites.

There will be a chain of related industries
that will also suffer.

The GOP controls every branch of
government, what are they doing about
this?

I think Hollowhead is having a difficult time. Perhaps many of the
other residents in his nursing home have regular visits from their
family and he's all alone and feels left out.
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On 9/29/2025 11:46 PM, c186282Once again: There is no such thing as an "illegal
alien," Nazi pseudo-sage. Remember, faggot: more than half of those who are unlawfully present committed *no* "illegal method" to become unlawfully present.
They just didn't leave by the expiration date of their visas. They didn't commit
any "crime" by failing to leave. They didn't commit *any* act. In fact, it was the *failure* to act rCo a failure to leave on time rCo that put them into the status of unlawful presence.

There is no such thing as an "illegal alien." This is settled.

Why is this such a big thing for you and your fellow Nazi knuckle-draggers? How
are you personally any worse off as a result of some hard-working, law-abiding foreigner being in the country without authorization? Answer: you aren't. In fact, you are *better* off as a result of their presence. Everything you buy is
cheaper.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-15144953/Auto-giants-collapse- sparks-recession-fears-haunting-parallel-2008-crash-Canary-coal-mine.html

. . .

-a No, it's not all Trump's fault

Yes, it is.
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On 9/30/25 09:24, LeftistsAreMorons wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 12:58:35 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
news:nUqdnc5II_xZ4Ub1nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-15144953/Auto-giants-coll
apse-sparks-recession-fears-haunting-parallel-2008-crash-Canary-coal-mi
ne.html

. . .

No, it's not all Trump's fault - sorry.

Trump said we are now in his
"Golden Age of America", remember?

Auto prices have been shooting up for years, but
consumers have kept taking on bigger and bigger
loans to pay for new vehicles anyway because
they had to.

But now, with other things - esp rent and home
loans - also being ridiculous, they just CAN'T
pay everything anymore.

So, they're defaulting on car loans en-masse.

Finance companies, you're just SCREWED.

Everyone is getting screwed in Trump's
economy (see below) except him and his small
class of fellow elites.

There will be a chain of related industries
that will also suffer.

The GOP controls every branch of
government, what are they doing about
this?

I think Hollowhead is having a difficult time. Perhaps many of the
other residents in his nursing home have regular visits from their
family and he's all alone and feels left out.

He does have 'problems' ...

However to a point here we're talking about
'systemic issues' - beyond the control of
any person or even political entity. Such
flaws exist in 'socialism', but also with
'Libertarianism' and 'capitalism'. There's
always a gotcha.

Carefully mixed models MIGHT help, but we
tend to get factional conflicts and the
'careful' aspect falls apart as each faction
pushes for their vision of 'ideological
purity'. Nothing new here.

Capitalism tends to keep 'banging the rails'.
Leaps at every opportunity until it's totally
ruined and then crashes hard. As per the
thread subject, we're about to see that yet
again with the price of vital commodities
and financing thereof.

I don't think Joe, or Trump, or Newsom, can
do a damned thing about it - "too big". Bring
in commies if you want but they'll just fuck
it up in their own special ways and everybody
will be screwed.

Maybe life in the small agrarian country village
was the pinnacle - 99% self-sufficient, everyone
knew and depended on everyone else. Even the
town drunk was at least amusing.

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 23:21:40 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 9/30/25 09:24, LeftistsAreMorons wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 12:58:35 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
news:nUqdnc5II_xZ4Ub1nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-15144953/Auto-giants-coll >>>> apse-sparks-recession-fears-haunting-parallel-2008-crash-Canary-coal-mi >>>> ne.html

. . .

No, it's not all Trump's fault - sorry.

Trump said we are now in his
"Golden Age of America", remember?

Auto prices have been shooting up for years, but
consumers have kept taking on bigger and bigger
loans to pay for new vehicles anyway because
they had to.

But now, with other things - esp rent and home
loans - also being ridiculous, they just CAN'T
pay everything anymore.

So, they're defaulting on car loans en-masse.

Finance companies, you're just SCREWED.

Everyone is getting screwed in Trump's
economy (see below) except him and his small
class of fellow elites.

There will be a chain of related industries
that will also suffer.

The GOP controls every branch of
government, what are they doing about
this?

I think Hollowhead is having a difficult time. Perhaps many of the
other residents in his nursing home have regular visits from their
family and he's all alone and feels left out.

He does have 'problems' ...

However to a point here we're talking about
'systemic issues' - beyond the control of
any person or even political entity. Such
flaws exist in 'socialism', but also with
'Libertarianism' and 'capitalism'. There's
always a gotcha.

Carefully mixed models MIGHT help, but we
tend to get factional conflicts and the
'careful' aspect falls apart as each faction
pushes for their vision of 'ideological
purity'. Nothing new here.

Capitalism tends to keep 'banging the rails'.
Leaps at every opportunity until it's totally
ruined and then crashes hard. As per the
thread subject, we're about to see that yet
again with the price of vital commodities
and financing thereof.

I don't think Joe, or Trump, or Newsom, can
do a damned thing about it - "too big". Bring
in commies if you want but they'll just fuck
it up in their own special ways and everybody
will be screwed.

Maybe life in the small agrarian country village
was the pinnacle - 99% self-sufficient, everyone
knew and depended on everyone else. Even the
town drunk was at least amusing.

Yes, Capitalism isn't perfect, but it's better than any other known
economic system.

Collectivism on a large scale requires sacrificing too much
individuality for most people. Natural selection leads people do what
best serves their own interests. It's human nature.

Almost everyone who approves of a collectivist economy is looking at
it from the position of "I want you to give to me"," rather than "I
want to give to you." Self interest prevails. It's human nature.
Bernie Sanders is evidence of that.

The top level promoters of collectivism assume they'll be serving
their own self interests by taking the leadership role. Collectivist
systems require powerful top dogs to control the rest of the group.
Top dogs always live a higher quality lifestyle, simply because they
can. It's human nature.
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On 10/1/25 02:36, LeftistsAreDimwits wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 23:21:40 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 9/30/25 09:24, LeftistsAreMorons wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 12:58:35 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
news:nUqdnc5II_xZ4Ub1nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-15144953/Auto-giants-coll >>>>> apse-sparks-recession-fears-haunting-parallel-2008-crash-Canary-coal-mi >>>>> ne.html

. . .

No, it's not all Trump's fault - sorry.

Trump said we are now in his
"Golden Age of America", remember?

Auto prices have been shooting up for years, but
consumers have kept taking on bigger and bigger
loans to pay for new vehicles anyway because
they had to.

But now, with other things - esp rent and home
loans - also being ridiculous, they just CAN'T
pay everything anymore.

So, they're defaulting on car loans en-masse.

Finance companies, you're just SCREWED.

Everyone is getting screwed in Trump's
economy (see below) except him and his small
class of fellow elites.

There will be a chain of related industries
that will also suffer.

The GOP controls every branch of
government, what are they doing about
this?

I think Hollowhead is having a difficult time. Perhaps many of the
other residents in his nursing home have regular visits from their
family and he's all alone and feels left out.

He does have 'problems' ...

However to a point here we're talking about
'systemic issues' - beyond the control of
any person or even political entity. Such
flaws exist in 'socialism', but also with
'Libertarianism' and 'capitalism'. There's
always a gotcha.

Carefully mixed models MIGHT help, but we
tend to get factional conflicts and the
'careful' aspect falls apart as each faction
pushes for their vision of 'ideological
purity'. Nothing new here.

Capitalism tends to keep 'banging the rails'.
Leaps at every opportunity until it's totally
ruined and then crashes hard. As per the
thread subject, we're about to see that yet
again with the price of vital commodities
and financing thereof.

I don't think Joe, or Trump, or Newsom, can
do a damned thing about it - "too big". Bring
in commies if you want but they'll just fuck
it up in their own special ways and everybody
will be screwed.

Maybe life in the small agrarian country village
was the pinnacle - 99% self-sufficient, everyone
knew and depended on everyone else. Even the
town drunk was at least amusing.

Yes, Capitalism isn't perfect, but it's better than any other known
economic system.

Collectivism on a large scale requires sacrificing too much
individuality for most people. Natural selection leads people do what
best serves their own interests. It's human nature.

Almost everyone who approves of a collectivist economy is looking at
it from the position of "I want you to give to me"," rather than "I
want to give to you." Self interest prevails. It's human nature.
Bernie Sanders is evidence of that.

The top level promoters of collectivism assume they'll be serving
their own self interests by taking the leadership role. Collectivist
systems require powerful top dogs to control the rest of the group.
Top dogs always live a higher quality lifestyle, simply because they
can. It's human nature.

Fully agree that socialism/collectivism gets its
traction from the disinformed masses who love
anything that sounds like "free money". Commies
have been especially good at pushing that delusion.

"Gotta do something to get something" ... well, that
sounds like too much work, so the commies win.

Capitalism does tend to over-concentrate wealth, so
the commies score again on 'jealousy'.

As said, mixed systems CAN do well but trend towards
un-mixing ... some 'ism' will come to predominate
whether it's best or not - mostly because it sells well.

So, IMHO, the commies have a distinct advantage - they
appeal to sloth and greed and jealousy and the way
people love to believe impossible things so long as
they satisfy the above needs.

If capitalism, 'pure' or not, wants to stay on top
it has to promise and DELIVER on "work and prosper".
Ain't always so great at the delivery angle.

The USA particularly suffers from the post WW2
illusion of everybody rolling in cash. For awhile
we were the only un-blasted economic power and
thus the world had to buy from US. It was of course
a transient phenom, but it's stuck in everyone's
heads as "normal", "the expected standard" -
immortalized in all those 40s/50s films.

If Vlad doesn't blast them, the UK/EU are clearly
going DOWN hard ... the flaws of their 'socialism'
have accumulated to toxic levels. Economic
implosion and vast social unrest and disruption
of all institutions/services - in the news most
every day.

That scene MIGHT be an 'object lesson' IF properly
presented/framed. Of course US/Canadian lefties
will demand we pour trillions into propping up
eurosocialism ... throwing cash into a burning
barn .......

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c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in news:saScnXBrz9XuI0D1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com:

On 10/1/25 02:36, LeftistsAreDimwits wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 23:21:40 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
wrote:

On 9/30/25 09:24, LeftistsAreMorons wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 12:58:35 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> wrote:

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
news:nUqdnc5II_xZ4Ub1nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-15144953/Auto-giants >>>>>> -coll
apse-sparks-recession-fears-haunting-parallel-2008-crash-Canary-co >>>>>> al-mi ne.html

. . .

No, it's not all Trump's fault - sorry.

Trump said we are now in his
"Golden Age of America", remember?

Auto prices have been shooting up for years, but
consumers have kept taking on bigger and bigger
loans to pay for new vehicles anyway because
they had to.

But now, with other things - esp rent and home
loans - also being ridiculous, they just CAN'T
pay everything anymore.

So, they're defaulting on car loans en-masse.

Finance companies, you're just SCREWED.

Everyone is getting screwed in Trump's
economy (see below) except him and his small
class of fellow elites.

There will be a chain of related industries
that will also suffer.

The GOP controls every branch of
government, what are they doing about
this?

I think Hollowhead is having a difficult time. Perhaps many of the
other residents in his nursing home have regular visits from their
family and he's all alone and feels left out.

He does have 'problems' ...

However to a point here we're talking about
'systemic issues' - beyond the control of
any person or even political entity. Such
flaws exist in 'socialism', but also with
'Libertarianism' and 'capitalism'. There's
always a gotcha.

Carefully mixed models MIGHT help, but we
tend to get factional conflicts and the
'careful' aspect falls apart as each faction
pushes for their vision of 'ideological
purity'. Nothing new here.

Capitalism tends to keep 'banging the rails'.
Leaps at every opportunity until it's totally
ruined and then crashes hard. As per the
thread subject, we're about to see that yet
again with the price of vital commodities
and financing thereof.

I don't think Joe, or Trump, or Newsom, can
do a damned thing about it - "too big". Bring
in commies if you want but they'll just fuck
it up in their own special ways and everybody
will be screwed.

Maybe life in the small agrarian country village
was the pinnacle - 99% self-sufficient, everyone
knew and depended on everyone else. Even the
town drunk was at least amusing.

Yes, Capitalism isn't perfect, but it's better than any other known
economic system.

Collectivism on a large scale requires sacrificing too much
individuality for most people. Natural selection leads people do what
best serves their own interests. It's human nature.

Almost everyone who approves of a collectivist economy is looking at
it from the position of "I want you to give to me"," rather than "I
want to give to you." Self interest prevails. It's human nature.
Bernie Sanders is evidence of that.

The top level promoters of collectivism assume they'll be serving
their own self interests by taking the leadership role. Collectivist
systems require powerful top dogs to control the rest of the group.
Top dogs always live a higher quality lifestyle, simply because they
can. It's human nature.

Fully agree that socialism/collectivism gets its
traction from the disinformed masses who love
anything that sounds like "free money".

Conservatives dare to complain
about free money after throwing around
it around like confetti.




Trump Tariff Aid To Farmers Cost More
Than U.S. Nuclear Forces
Jan 21 2020

The Trump administration gave more
taxpayer dollars to farmers harmed
by the administrationAs trade
policies than the federal government
spends each year building ships for
the Navy or maintaining AmericaAs
nuclear arsenal, according to a new
report. A National Foundation for
American Policy analysis concluded
the spending on farmers was also
higher than the annual budgets of
several government agencies.

Trump was open about the purpose
of the payments. "I sometimes see
where these horrible dishonest
reporters will say that aoh jeez,
the farmers are upset," he told
attendees of an Illinois farmer show
in August 2019. "Well, they canAt be
too upset, because I gave them $12
billion and I gave them $16 billion
this year. . . . I hope you like me
even better than you did in A16."
https://tinyurl.com/yhpf6kvy




Keeping $500 Billion in Bailout Funds Secret
June 11 2020
The Trump administration intends to keep
secret the names of the businesses that
have received more than $500 billion in
COVID-19 bailout funds through the
Paycheck Protection Program (PPP),
claiming the information is "confidential" https://www.citizen.org/news/keeping-500-billion-in-bailout-funds-secret/





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On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 23:21:40 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

I think Hollowhead is having a difficult time. Perhaps many of the
other residents in his nursing home have regular visits from their
family and he's all alone and feels left out.

He does have 'problems' ...

Still can't do better than personal insult?
--
"One half dick and one half tater, Donald is a Vlad fellator." <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhlwPOrccww>

8647 - 01.20.2029
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 11:10:57 -0400, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 23:21:40 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

I think Hollowhead is having a difficult time. Perhaps many of the
other residents in his nursing home have regular visits from their
family and he's all alone and feels left out.

He does have 'problems' ...

Still can't do better than personal insult?

That's from the guy who posts the following insult

"One half dick and one half tater, Donald is a Vlad fellator." ><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhlwPOrccww>

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