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None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a5gre$v3bm$3@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20>):
"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:GykxQ.85800$qPGe.18871@fx16.ams4:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB3594FCA6B02A629555@69.80.101.12...
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into
Google AI and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological
discoveries", followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible
masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their
""discoveries"" have been built upon the scientific method..rather than upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
That is where inbreeding and genetic
diseases come from.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
They were only about five or so generations from Adam. Each had wives
from other people they would be 1st or 2nd cousins and third cousins
of todays time are considered pretty free from any issues.
Their descendants have been traced around the world. Meaning the known world of their days.
So Noah's family is the source of all
genetic diseases we have today. Dwarfism,
autims, Spina Bifida, cleft palates,
Sickle cell, Alzheimers.
Why would God choose such a sickly
family to reproduce all mankind?
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:24:45 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qjt$12pq4$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<0nkcckpiflo6noteugq1artknp6u10c85f@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4qq9$ok2p$1@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<78kbcktur2nd3o3tkt2dhsbpeln5qnura7@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4etg$krjv$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<19nackp64c7m0g727n3qil1hs4b4dq9tvq@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:22:03 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <gBbxQ.71208$qPGe.58786@fx16.ams4> wrote:
"None" wrote in message news:10a2v2e$5del$5@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed
by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Exact where? Please be specific.
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but if you
really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself. Reason?
You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
No, it is because I do not accept anything in that document
as being true unless the specific item is verified by
unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence. So
far only a few physical locations and historical figured
qualify. A very few.
Then nothing you ever say regarding it has credence.
All I ever say is that it lacks verification. If you
disagree state why. In detail, not generalities.
Since you lack the
knowledge of it as well as the understanding/ Also given as the City of David
has been proven and verifiably so as well as the Temple at shiloh. Then everything surround it must be true as well.
The City of David is the ancient core of Jerusalem. As I
have stated some physical sites have been verified.
Shiloh has been positively identified with modern Khirbet
Seilun, a tell known in Modern Hebrew as Tel Shiloh. It is
located 31 kilometres (19 mi) north of Jerusalem, in the
West Bank, to the west of the modern Israeli settlement town
of Shilo and to the north of the Palestinian town of Turmus
Ayya. Another physical site that seems verified.
Such as what "around it"? The site alone says nothing about
what may or may not have occurred there.
And that is just a couple of the
finds.
To do so I would have to re-research it all, to generate a list as I do not
keep physical records of what I have learned in the past, as the Lord consistently gives me new insights none of which conflict with was is known,
but adds increases in the knowledge and understandings of what went before.
Given that much of what I post you is not remembered, nor honored enough
to
be remembered of what value would be all this added info that you are already
opposed to and discredited even before you see it since is all 'myths'.
Yet you throw out your comment as if it is the answer to
everything rather than nothing.
It is all based on personal experiences with God, and that is nothing that you can relate to.
Are you going to address this or just continue to ignore it?
Paleo-anthropology purports to gives us "discoveries" that agree with their a-priori philosophical script, rather than on true, legitimate science.
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Exact where? Please be specific.
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but if you really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself. Reason? You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
To do so I would have to re-research it all, to generate a list as I do not keep physical records of what I have learned in the past, as the Lord consistently gives me new insights none of which conflict with was is known,
but adds increases in the knowledge and understandings of what went before.
Given that much of what I post you is not remembered, nor honored enough to be remembered of what value would be all this added info that you are already opposed to and discredited even before you see it since is all 'myths'.
That is a LONG way to go about admitting the answers are not in
the Bible.
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Would you be so kind as to cite chapter and verse? I don't recall
anything about how animals got to other continents. All I recall
regarding the water is that it receded. But no mention of where all
this water, that covered everything, actually receded to.
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:45:09 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<e6sack1t54ojl4vns19v1epeicph3nlddi@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:55:14 +0000, jojo<f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
you know the one thing about that which makes no sense? it makes
us all super inbred.
Something I would like to be explained is why Cain was worried
someone would kill him for his murder of Abel. Since there was only
Adam, Eve and their children, who were these other people that cause
Cain to fear them?
Did the God of the Bible create other humans that he placed in
other areas? He must have. But if the Bible is to be believed, there
was only Adam and Eve until they left the Garden. Then they had
children.
Maybe some of the kids took off to make their way in the world.
There is no mention of this, so anyone who accepts the Bible as valid would dismiss that as a realistic possibility.
This also will mean all of Adam's and Eve's children had to
procreate with their siblings.
Yes, they did. They were descendants of a perfectly constructed being, and so
their descendants were from the same stock.
So God paused the genetic problems of continued incest?
They deteriorated genetically over time due to the fall of Adam and as a consequence of sin entering this world. That is the results of the Evil one who said rCLI will be as GodrCY and he is the source of all that is bad upon
this earth, sickness, disease, the flaws of mankind, etc. Even today many incestuous relationship produce viable human beings,
The first generation or two may not have any significant
deformities. But by the time we got to where we are, the generic abnormalities would be so pronounced, we would be lucky to function.
and also those that have
had distinctive flaws or maladies will transmit them to their heirs. In the cases here in America there are rCLtribesrCY of peoples like say the Amish and other similar people, who have distinctive characteristics that lead to physical maladies, problems, that they cannot escape because in effect they show the signs of incestuous effects.
Which supports the idea that humans did not, and cannot,
originate from just one male and one female as the Bible claims.
The tribes of many peoples who are not
bound together because of beliefs marry in large part with peoples from other
tribes, for various reasons, and in do doing introduce rCyfresh bloodrCO into
their tribe.
If the Bible is to be believed, this cannot have happened. There
was no "fresh blood" to introduce.
The negative results in incestuous
offspring is well known. So, if the tale were true, we probably
wouldn't exist. We would have gotten so bad that humans would have
died out.
We all are a result of these things. So much so that certain maladies will occur that are distinctive enough that names are given them which are based on the genes of a female when impregnated by a male with certain genes the result of which a child will be born with certain rCydefectsrCO the most serious or troubling of which have been identified and a geneticist while tell you that somewhere in your bloodline that you two were directly related.
While it may not affect all your future children the probabilities of it are
there.
I can accept a common ancestor, as you prove you do. But Adam and
Eve will not be one.
For that reason to ensure ones offspring will have no issues is to have a provable genealogy, one not based on hearsay or hopes trying to be tied to persons of note, as well as a through genetic and DNA search on both parties,
all cross linked as much as possible to see the possible variants in order to
ensure a high likelihood on rCOnormalrCO children with intelligence and the ability to reason. The cost of doing so is rather high so most people do not
have the means to do so and they take their chances, especially the young, who are the most likely to overlook signs that they should have seen. This is
why reasonable parents choosing the mates is not a bad thing, unless they do
so for selfish self promoting reasons.
I didn't, and wouldn't, try to pick my children's partners. They
aren't stupid, and were raised to be able to make their own choices.
So far, this approach has been very successful.
If humans managed to somehow continue, we would be so devoid of intelligence, we would barely be able to function as hunter-gatherers.
IrCOd bet that 90% of the civilized world is currently able to function as a
hunter-gatherer in these days.
Probably. But that's not the point I was making. You and I
wouldn't be communicating at all because computers wouldn't exist. We
would be too busy trying to find food to eat to worry about much else.
Plus it is obvious given the current chaos
that is so prevalent these days that many are devoid of intelligence.
Well, yeah. I can't really debate against that :)
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a5952$sg6h$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D1AC72BC0629555@69.80.102.21>):
Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:10a51be$r2fg$1@dont-email.me:
On 9/13/2025 4:40 PM, None wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a4i4p$lt9j$2@dont-email.me>):
On 9/13/2025 1:24 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
None <none@none.non> wrote in
news:10a4a71$j4ov$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB3594F5D0729D629555@69.80.101.12>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a2ubk$5del$3@dont-email.me:
On Sep 12, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<4ti9ckpfrip5vckkmrc81ri5iqi25uujj6@4ax.com>
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 17:18:56 -0700,
None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<0oc9ck53j37rmkq3hv6u0m5klmi87d33ib@4ax. com>):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 12:56:54 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<7qp8ckhb1epb3r83oopm8j4sub39g8ftog@ 4ax.com>):
On Thu, 11 Sep 2025 21:37:20 -0700, None<none@none.non>
wrote:
On Sep 11, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote<snip>
What other data is there to
measure time but scientific data?
The universe expands at a known
rate, the continents move at a
known rate, starlight reaches our
eyes at a known rate. If those
known rates are wrong what rates
are right?
If the continents moved at a known rate
then there would be no earthquakes.
The continents move at about the rate at
which fingernails grow. When two continents
(or, more precisely, the tectonic plates they
are a part of) move
past each other, sometimes they get "stuck"
on the rough edges of the plates they're
moving past. The pressure to
keep moving persists, though, and finally the
two plates break apart from each other. The energy released when
they break apart is an earthquake.
You just showed that the continents stop moving periodically, and you did not
post how much they jumped when an earthquake happens.
Why do you need to know that?
I donrCOt, but you do so as not to make foolish declarations.
If you didn't need to know, why did you ask the
question?
Yet we often see the
evidences of that when the ground opens up and
the gap left can be seen in inches to yards. It
is inconsistent movement. Many have seen the
earth opening and closing in
mere moments as is caught on video.
No, there aren't *that* many earthquakes. The
rate of movement has been measured with
satellites and other such
precision instruments.
Wow, are you really lacking that much, there are literally 100rCOs to 1,000rCOs of earthquakes every day.
Which is not many at any given spot on the earth.
All volcanos would erupt and known cycles
and explosive
rates.
No, volcanic eruptions are caused by other factors besides just the rate at which
tectonic plates move.
So you agreed with, me as well as added more excuses which you could not rationalize.
LOL! That was the last comment I made, so no more "excuses" could have been added.
However in this case, I was correct and did not"Trolling off the wall"? What is that?
make a trolling off the wall comment like you did.
There are designed in limitations to all the realities of this realm. Which
the forces of realm must adhere to, and that is
why all these natural laws and rules can be identified via the reverse engineering of
sciences. Which is why there is
order.
Reverse engineering from what to what? How do you know the order hasn't always been there?
That is what I said, the order of this realm was
there all along, ever since it was made.
No, I mean without it ever being made.
Do you know anything about reverse engineering?
Reverse engineering is when you figure out
something's design by studying its function. What
does that have to do with the "realm" of science?
There is another realm to which none of these
laws of order apply. Yet like
anhydrous ammonia and water can dwell together
in the same physical space, so can the two
realms exist. Water being
similar to the elements of this realm.
If you have any scientific knowledge you should
be able to understand that.
What makes you think there is another realm?
I do not think it, I know it is real and exists, something you all deny, yet you are affected by its realty.
What makes you think you know it's real? And how does that affect the rest of us?
You have totally lost your trolling touch.
I had to laugh at some of your comments/questions/reasonings.
you are out of phase, even with your own statements.
That is sad to see. :(
This is how all arguments with Christians end.
They toss out some claims, you ask intelligent
questions about them, they ignore them, call
you a troll and run away. As with Robert, as
with Andrew, as with this rCLNonerCY.
ROTFLOL You consider your questions intelligent? Based upon what? Ego? A point to argue that is based on foolishness?
Your claim:
The earth as you know it was not until it was called earth
on the 3rd day of this realm. The planets stars, etc were
not until the 4th day of this realm. All this occurred
around 6,000 years ago.
I just asked what happened 6009
years ago and where does the Bible
say that.
You need to learn in order to have knowledge, and then use
that knowledge to come up with a well defined question that
is not based on foolish assumptions or old wives tales. If
you ask a question to learn something so that you are no
longer ignorant of that topic, then the answer will stick
in your mind forever which may lead to further questions
once the door of knowledge was opened to you and you
received it.
If you asked the same question over and over again, it
shows that you were unable to comprehend it or willingly
denied the answer showing that you asked without the desire
to learn, commonly thought of as troll speak.
The Bible makes no mention of ANYTHING
happening 6000 years ago. Since you claim
it does could you share a Bible passage or
two on this point?
Mitch,
You're "arguing" with someone who is in the same category as
those who believe that the South won the American Civil War.
Maybe he's (she's?) real, a bot, a Russian troll ("Comrade?"),
or something else. Perhaps, "laisse passer" on this one?!
Dawn
Dawn, not only was he shown the events and historical evidences
that lead up to the understanding, like you he has read the
Bible, Yes, I realize that many people have read it, found it was
a chore, or hard to understand the old English language. But all
that changes once a person is Born Again of God. Then their whole aspect of it changes immediately.
I know this from a personal standpoint when God became a reality
to me, in this life.
This is the same tactic Robert
uses, the "God spoke to me and said
I was right and you are wrong".
I always wonder how mamy women
were burned to death by Christians
claiming "God spoke to me and told
me they were witchesrCY.
That happened many times by many so-called christians. They were not
of God and under the NT covenant it was not condoned.
So you are "of God" but others
claiming to be "of God" are not really
"of God". See the problem?
I never used that tactic. The word of God is right in all things.
So when God orders people to be killed
for doing something we should do that, no?
That
I told you or another person what the scripture says that Gods will
and desires are, is not my words but His and I fully respect and honor
HIM and would never take credit from Him.
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a58br$sg6h$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D055BCEF7629555@69.80.101.18>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a4nhc$n3jh$4@dont-email.me:
The flood can be determined via the genealogies of the families an
occurred something like 25 years after the death of on specific
character. The length of the time of day was the same then, as now.
Same thing regarding the time when the Hebrews became Israelites. And
the multiple prophecies surrounding it. Which BTW, a mass miracle
occurred the night before they left. Something I read from a persons comment here just recently in the OT Times.
Everyone who was sick, infringed crippled, old or young with any
maladies were healed and they all left Egypt in good health.
The Bible doesn't say that.
None of
their shoes/sandals or clothing wore out in the 40 years of their wandering.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Did anyone die? Yes, all those that doubted as well as
those who returned to the old gods of Egypt.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Where are you getting this stuff from?
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wroteAnd
(Message-ID: <XnsB35A52981DF2B629555@69.80.102.22>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a58br$sg6h$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D055BCEF7629555@69.80.101.18>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a4nhc$n3jh$4@dont-email.me:
The flood can be determined via the genealogies of the families an
occurred something like 25 years after the death of on specific
character. The length of the time of day was the same then, as now.
Same thing regarding the time when the Hebrews became Israelites.
the multiple prophecies surrounding it. Which BTW, a mass miracle
occurred the night before they left. Something I read from a persons
comment here just recently in the OT Times.
Everyone who was sick, infringed crippled, old or young with any
maladies were healed and they all left Egypt in good health.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
None of
their shoes/sandals or clothing wore out in the 40 years of their
wandering.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
Did anyone die? Yes, all those that doubted as well as
those who returned to the old gods of Egypt.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
Where are you getting this stuff from?
From the Bible.
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB35A53AB0A91D629555@69.80.102.14...
So when God orders people to be killed
for doing something we should do that, no?
No, because we are not living under a
theocracy.
If you want to live under a theocracy you
may go to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.
But if you are a homosexual, you may
get in some big trouble with them.
You may even be publicly executed.
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35A53AB0A91D629555@69.80.102.14>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a5952$sg6h$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D1AC72BC0629555@69.80.102.21>):
Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
news:10a51be$r2fg$1@dont-email.me:
On 9/13/2025 4:40 PM, None wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a4i4p$lt9j$2@dont-email.me>):
On 9/13/2025 1:24 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
None <none@none.non> wrote in
news:10a4a71$j4ov$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB3594F5D0729D629555@69.80.101.12>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in
news:10a2ubk$5del$3@dont-email.me:
On Sep 12, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
(Message-ID:<4ti9ckpfrip5vckkmrc81ri5iqi25uujj6@4ax.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 17:18:56 -0700,
None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
(Message-ID:<0oc9ck53j37rmkq3hv6u0m5klmi87d33ib@
4ax. com>):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 12:56:54 -0700,
None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
(Message-ID:<7qp8ckhb1epb3r83oopm8j4sub39g8f
tog@ 4ax.com>):
On Thu, 11 Sep 2025 21:37:20 -0700,
None<none@none.non>
wrote:
On Sep 11, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote<snip>
What other data is there to
measure time but scientific data?
The universe expands at a known
rate, the continents move at a
known rate, starlight reaches our
eyes at a known rate. If those
known rates are wrong what rates
are right?
If the continents moved at a known rate
then there would be no earthquakes.
The continents move at about the rate at
which fingernails grow. When two
continents
(or, more precisely, the tectonic plates
they are a part of) move
past each other, sometimes they get
"stuck" on the rough edges of the plates
they're moving past. The pressure to
keep moving persists, though, and finally
the two plates break apart from each
other. The
energy released when
they break apart is an earthquake.
You just showed that the continents stop
moving periodically, and you did not
post how much they jumped when an
earthquake happens.
Why do you need to know that?
I donrCOt, but you do so as not to make foolish
declarations.
If you didn't need to know, why did you ask the
question?
Yet we often see the
evidences of that when the ground opens up
and the gap left can be seen in inches to
yards. It is inconsistent movement. Many
have seen the
earth opening and closing in
mere moments as is caught on video.
No, there aren't *that* many earthquakes. The
rate of movement has been measured with
satellites and other such
precision instruments.
Wow, are you really lacking that much, there
are literally 100rCOs to 1,000rCOs of
earthquakes every day.
Which is not many at any given spot on the earth.
"Trolling off the wall"? What is that?All volcanos would erupt and known
cycles and explosive
rates.
No, volcanic eruptions are caused by
other factors besides just the rate at
which tectonic plates move.
So you agreed with, me as well as added
more excuses which you could not
rationalize.
LOL! That was the last comment I made, so no
more "excuses" could have been added.
However in this case, I was correct and did not
make a trolling off the wall comment like you
did.
There are designed in limitations to all
the realities of this realm. Which
the forces of realm must adhere to, and
that is why all these natural laws and
rules can be identified via the reverse
engineering of
sciences. Which is why there is
order.
Reverse engineering from what to what? How do
you know the order hasn't always been there?
That is what I said, the order of this realm
was there all along, ever since it was made.
No, I mean without it ever being made.
Do you know anything about reverse engineering?
Reverse engineering is when you figure out
something's design by studying its function. What
does that have to do with the "realm" of science?
There is another realm to which none of
these laws of order apply. Yet like
anhydrous ammonia and water can dwell
together in the same physical space, so can
the two realms exist. Water being
similar to the elements of this realm.
If you have any scientific knowledge you
should be able to understand that.
What makes you think there is another realm?
I do not think it, I know it is real and
exists, something you all deny, yet you are
affected by its realty.
What makes you think you know it's real? And how
does that affect the rest of us?
You have totally lost your trolling touch.
I had to laugh at some of your
comments/questions/reasonings.
you are out of phase, even with your own
statements. That is sad to see. :(
This is how all arguments with Christians end.
They toss out some claims, you ask intelligent
questions about them, they ignore them, call
you a troll and run away. As with Robert, as
with Andrew, as with this rCLNonerCY.
ROTFLOL You consider your questions intelligent? Based
upon what? Ego? A point to argue that is based on
foolishness?
Your claim:
The earth as you know it was not until it was called
earth on the 3rd day of this realm. The planets stars,
etc were not until the 4th day of this realm. All this
occurred around 6,000 years ago.
I just asked what happened 6009
years ago and where does the Bible
say that.
You need to learn in order to have knowledge, and then
use that knowledge to come up with a well defined
question that is not based on foolish assumptions or
old wives tales. If you ask a question to learn
something so that you are no longer ignorant of that
topic, then the answer will stick in your mind forever
which may lead to further questions once the door of
knowledge was opened to you and you received it.
If you asked the same question over and over again, it
shows that you were unable to comprehend it or
willingly denied the answer showing that you asked
without the desire to learn, commonly thought of as
troll speak.
The Bible makes no mention of ANYTHING
happening 6000 years ago. Since you claim
it does could you share a Bible passage or
two on this point?
Mitch,
You're "arguing" with someone who is in the same category
as those who believe that the South won the American Civil
War. Maybe he's (she's?) real, a bot, a Russian troll
("Comrade?"), or something else. Perhaps, "laisse passer"
on this one?!
Dawn
Dawn, not only was he shown the events and historical
evidences that lead up to the understanding, like you he has
read the Bible, Yes, I realize that many people have read it,
found it was a chore, or hard to understand the old English
language. But all that changes once a person is Born Again of
God. Then their whole aspect of it changes immediately.
I know this from a personal standpoint when God became a
reality to me, in this life.
This is the same tactic Robert
uses, the "God spoke to me and said
I was right and you are wrong".
I always wonder how mamy women
were burned to death by Christians
claiming "God spoke to me and told
me they were witchesrCY.
That happened many times by many so-called christians. They were
not of God and under the NT covenant it was not condoned.
So you are "of God" but others
claiming to be "of God" are not really
"of God". See the problem?
Yes, you read assuming and not by understanding.
I never used that tactic. The word of God is right in all things.
So when God orders people to be killed
for doing something we should do that, no?
No. And that answer only adds to your confused state of mind.
Sorry, but what you're saying is just nuts.
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35A54E964835629555@69.80.101.19>):
"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:scrxQ.23430$7F4e.19459@fx05.ams4:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into
Google AI and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer
my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological
discoveries", followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that
they have enlightened us about any thing.....in
your own words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the
stories that they told us that have deceived the
gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not
realizinng that you have been~woefully
deceived~along with all the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'.
Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their
""discoveries"" have been built upon the scientific
method..rather than upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced
back to Africa, which is where the first modern
humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of
Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of
four rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
As years and decades go on, populations
become isolated from those in other parts
of the world.
That just means a lot of people
all carry the same genes. And the
same genetic diseases.
If so then how can one distinguish brother, sister, Father and Mother?
And why is one child affected but not the others?
That is where inbreeding and genetic
diseases come from.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
The same factors as existed with the
children of Adam.
What factors?
Incest is still incest.
In todays world og rCLOne Big FamilyrCY then who is not committing
incest?
At that time there
was genetic purity, no defects.
1) The Bible doesn't say that.
It was implied. rCLAnd God saw every thing that he had made, and,
behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the
sixth day.rCY (Gen 1:31)
2) Then where did genetic
defects come from?
Lucifer aka Satan.
rCLThey that see thee shall wonder at thee, and say, This is the man
that troubled the earth, that made kings to shake; that made the whole
world desolate, and destroyed its cities; he loosed not those who were
in captivity.rCY (Isa 14:16-17)
3) There was no "Cain's wife from
the land of Nod" excuse in the flood
story. Noah's children all had sex
with each other. You ocannot get
around that.
I sure can by reading the Bible and seeing your errors.
On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/12/2025 3:47 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:109vgq9$2vl7u$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back to Africa, which
is where the first modern humans arose.
That is a total rewrite of Human history, migratory patterns, etc, even DNA disproves that thinking. And so does the DNA and genomes of chimps and humans.
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35A55AD64BD6629555@69.80.101.19>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a5gre$v3bm$3@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20>):
"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:GykxQ.85800$qPGe.18871@fx16.ams4:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:XnsB3594FCA6B02A629555@69.80.101.12...
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into
Google AI and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer
my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological
discoveries", followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that
they have enlightened us about any thing.....in
your own words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the
stories that they told us that have deceived the
gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not
realizinng that you have been~woefully
deceived~along with all the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'.
Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their
""discoveries"" have been built upon the scientific
method..rather than upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced
back to Africa, which is where the first modern
humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of
Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of
four rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
That is where inbreeding and genetic
diseases come from.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
They were only about five or so generations from Adam. Each had
wives from other people they would be 1st or 2nd cousins and third
cousins of todays time are considered pretty free from any issues.
Their descendants have been traced around the world. Meaning the
known world of their days.
So Noah's family is the source of all
genetic diseases we have today. Dwarfism,
autims, Spina Bifida, cleft palates,
Sickle cell, Alzheimers.
That is all because of Lucifer.
None of those maladies was noted in
his children.
Why would God choose such a sickly
family to reproduce all mankind?
Show where they were sickly especially given that they built the Ark,
and took care of all its occupants and then released them all,
appropriately.
I am still curious about a question I asked about your wife. If it is inappropriate then tell me so. But you told me decades ago that you
were married.
"Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
So when God orders people to be killed
for doing something we should do that, no?
No, because we are not living under a
theocracy.
So violating God's express orders is OK?
If you want to live under a theocracy you
may go to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.
But if you are a homosexual, you may
get in some big trouble with them.
You may even be publicly executed.
By their works you shall know them. That is what scripture teaches. It also states clearly that if they do not have love, one for another, then they know
not me. Which is Jesus the Messiah.
Anyone who doubts that should check out alt.bible. No fellowship or brotherly love there, is there, Robert?
Who in there is a brother in Christ?
I havenAt seen any Brothers in Christ in the ochristiano NGAs for a
very long while.
Hahaha. See what I mean?
Challenge to you then. How can you tell who is an who is not?
You should know them by their love for one another Jesus said, and also He
said, anyone who loves not his brother loves not me. In Fact, as IRC that was
his first commandment, and that commandment was with a promise. Yes, indeed
it is a total shame.
So you love your brother, right? Is anyone on usenet your brother?
Anyone at all anywhere?
In the Usenet they have come and gone. Usually driven off not wanting to deal
with trolls, anti-god individuals whose attitudes reflect their deep seated hatred of a being they declare does not exist.
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<64kcckddt1a89o3eqr9ru08c5cssmato7f@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<d5ccck5mfmrh55r21j81sqrujjun5idqv2@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<415ackd3pmqn6hhtfgtifth1hqhrfn5ogg@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote (Message-ID:<10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me>):
(snip)
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back to Africa,
which is where the first modern humans arose.
That is a total rewrite of Human history, migratory patterns, etc, even DNA
disproves that thinking. And so does the DNA and genomes of chimps and
humans.
You are confusing Bible mythology with human history. The Bible is not
a history book.
Your assumptions does not truth make. Assumptions of this sort are based
on ignorance whether willful or or simple lack of knowledge.
You didn't know there's a huge body of recorded knowledge that's not based on the bible at all? Much of it is personal eyewitness info from persons of known identity, unlike the bible. That's not assumptions, Mr.
Assumer.
The subject you were replying about was the Bible which you called a mythology out of sheer ignorance.
No, the subject was human origins. You tried to pass of biblical
mythology as historic fact, which it isn't.
Go back and read what you wrote, no history book is fact. It is a historical record which may or not be proven to be a reality, or factual. I did not declare it to be fact. But a peer reviewed book which encompasses many things. The problem here is that you cannot have a discussion without shade. You cannot think about this type of a conversation without prejudice, and that is especially noted when you have not read the entire Bible, even for pleasure. You are unfamiliar with it, its authors, it concepts as you do not know anything about it directly.
As an aside, I just finished reading an article here; https://getpocket.com/explore/item/physics-is-pointing-inexorably-to-mind Titled: Physics Is Pointing Inexorably to Mind
What I found so interesting was all of his educational experience combined with research and he came up with an understanding I had realized icy the 7th
grade.Yet he missed the deep realities of it, but came close. I donAt know it you can read it and understand it, but it curiosity gets the better of it,
take a read.
Thank you for admitting the bible doesn't coincide with known history. That's exactly what I was trying to convince you of.
That was pure ignorant troll speak.
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<a04dcklq7pgq5grj9scpiqs00c6gi50g58@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:24:45 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qjt$12pq4$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<0nkcckpiflo6noteugq1artknp6u10c85f@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4qq9$ok2p$1@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<78kbcktur2nd3o3tkt2dhsbpeln5qnura7@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4etg$krjv$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<19nackp64c7m0g727n3qil1hs4b4dq9tvq@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:22:03 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<gBbxQ.71208$qPGe.58786@fx16.ams4> wrote:
"None" wrote in message news:10a2v2e$5del$5@dont-email.me... >> > > > > > > > > Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed
by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they >> > > > > > > > > > > > have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories >> > > > > > > > > > > > that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol! >> > > > > > > > > > > >
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back >> > > > > > > > > > > to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose. >> > > > > > > > > >
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four >> > > > > > > > > rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Exact where? Please be specific.
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but if you
really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself. Reason?
You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
No, it is because I do not accept anything in that document
as being true unless the specific item is verified by
unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence. So
far only a few physical locations and historical figured
qualify. A very few.
Then nothing you ever say regarding it has credence.
All I ever say is that it lacks verification. If you
disagree state why. In detail, not generalities.
Since you lack the
knowledge of it as well as the understanding/ Also given as the City of
David
has been proven and verifiably so as well as the Temple at shiloh. Then
everything surround it must be true as well.
The City of David is the ancient core of Jerusalem. As I
have stated some physical sites have been verified.
Shiloh has been positively identified with modern Khirbet
Seilun, a tell known in Modern Hebrew as Tel Shiloh. It is
located 31 kilometres (19 mi) north of Jerusalem, in the
West Bank, to the west of the modern Israeli settlement town
of Shilo and to the north of the Palestinian town of Turmus
Ayya. Another physical site that seems verified.
Such as what "around it"? The site alone says nothing about
what may or may not have occurred there.
To keep it simple, the site of the temple at Shiloh as I said before does >have many signs of what had occurred there. That it was a Jewish Temple, and >their practices were far different that any other religion of its Day.
I am glad to hear that you did do some limited research on these things.
And that is just a couple of the
finds.
To do so I would have to re-research it all, to generate a list as I do
not
keep physical records of what I have learned in the past, as the Lord >> > > > consistently gives me new insights none of which conflict with was is >> > > > known,
but adds increases in the knowledge and understandings of what went
before.
Given that much of what I post you is not remembered, nor honored enough
to
be remembered of what value would be all this added info that you are >> > > > already
opposed to and discredited even before you see it since is all 'myths'.
Yet you throw out your comment as if it is the answer to
everything rather than nothing.
It is all based on personal experiences with God, and that is nothing that >> > you can relate to.
Are you going to address this or just continue to ignore it?
Paleo-anthropology purports to gives us "discoveries" that
agree with their a-priori philosophical script, rather than on >> > > > > > > > true, legitimate science.
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<fe4dckpo1q99iqe6l3kgg7bsvejbqt4s21@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:28:04 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qq4$12pq4$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<nvkcck13tmf625ed499cc94eko0tnr5esm@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:07:52 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<scrxQ.23430$7F4e.19459@fx05.ams4> wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI
and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they >> > > > > > > > > > > > have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories >> > > > > > > > > > > > that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol! >> > > > > > > > > > > >
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back >> > > > > > > > > > > to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose. >> > > > > > > > > >
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four >> > > > > > > > > rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
As years and decades go on, populations
become isolated from those in other parts
of the world.
Irrelevant. There is still a population of unrelated
individuals. BTW, DNA analysis will include the part of the
world your ancestors came from.
BTW, While a few individuals can technically reproduce, a
sustainable human population needs a significant number to
maintain genetic diversity and long-term health, with
estimates for a healthy, self-sustaining population ranging
from 160 to 500 or more, depending on factors like genetic
diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The
50/500 rule, developed for biological populations, suggests
50 individuals are needed to avoid inbreeding and 500 for
long-term evolutionary adaptation, a benchmark that can be
adjusted for humans with careful genetic management.
Where was there technology 3, 4 or t thousand years ago?
What technology was involved?
This is what you said, hence my question.
*************************************
depending on factors like genetic
diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The
50/500 rule, developed for biological populations, *************************************
That is where inbreeding and genetic
diseases come from.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
The same factors as existed with the
children of Adam. At that time there
was genetic purity, no defects.
And the same problems existed, which is an excellent
argument against that legend being a myth.
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB35A54E964835629555@69.80.101.19... >> "Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
"Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google >>>>>>>>> > > > > > AI and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my
question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", >>>>>>>>> > > > followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses! >>>>>>>>> > >
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries"" >>>>>>>>> > > have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
Genetic diversity happens all the time in
populations. You would have known that
if you ever studied the work of Mendel.
That combined with geographic isolation
helps us understand why we have different
races today.
As years and decades go on, populations
become isolated from those in other parts
of the world.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
Those on the Ark were all married.
The same factors as existed with the
children of Adam.
What factors?
Incest is still incest.
At that time there
was genetic purity, no defects.
1) The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
2) Then where did genetic
defects come from?
Genetic entropy happens.
3) There was no "Cain's wife from
the land of Nod" excuse in the flood
story. Noah's children all had sex
with each other. You ocannot get
around that.
Why are you so concerned about their
personal lives? I suspect you are trying
to justify yourself in some things that
you have done.
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<3hlcckpumijgmp4esaishu8bt7vkpul6uc@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:47:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5hce$v3bm$5@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<a4acckp5ejjkenl8btsl72b4vaoforq77e@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence, >> > > > > > > that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was >> > > > > > > created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own
standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be peers
of
the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
The Bible's peers are established characters like the Quran, the
Bhagavad Gita, and "Dianetics". They blessed the Holy Scripture and
stamped it with their Impramatur.
Wrong, spoken from total ignorance. Like a chemist peer reviewing astronomy.
Why not get a least some rudimentary training about these things, the
similarities and the differences, and I am not speaking of a shallow
understanding either.
Who knew the bible was brought to you by pagans?
the Holy Bible was brought to man by the Holy Spirit of God, as spoken to >> > man.
He will interpret it to those who believe in Jesus Christ.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.
Look up the definitions of god. What was considered to be god/gods. In the >old time. Not some abbreviated definition that opposes a Supreme Being.
For instance
Drugs are a god to the druggie
Booze is the god of the alcoholic.
Sex is the god to the sexually depraved, etc.
Money is a god to those that are in love with money and seeks great wealth >Fast Cars, exclusive cars, etc, are a god to those who are driven to the >biggest baddest, or the most elegant, etc.
Judges and Rulers are a god to those who come before them.
Bullies are a god to be feared by the weak.
While these things are not intrinsically bad, or evil, when they are the >master of ones life it becomes a god to them. Same with good luck charms, >amulets, lucky pennies that some always carry with them.
Satan the god of this world everyone grew up with and he is the originator of >bad or evil thoughts and actions, he is the father/motivator of all lies. And >part of his tool pouch is the use of all the things I listed and yet there is >far more. Like those that seek Power.
These things are norm to all men. Yet few asee; them as they are and often >wonder why they behave certain ways as certain times. Yet they themselves >determine themselves to be the god of their life, like the guy that proudly >sang, oI did it my wayo. Even some religious people think that and that
they can earn a spot in heaven. That will never happen.
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<3blcck577s2bdnm06atb58v148ubl7o0nf@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:25:59 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4r1n$ok2p$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 19:26:11 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me... >> > > > > > > Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question. >> > > > > > > > > >
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own
standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Not an answer. Be specific.
Do you really lack the power of reason?
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be peers >> > of the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
As usual your so-called "evidence" requires a belief in your
silly superstition to be accepted.
I answered the question of peer review, I also gave and example of it, that >meets the requirements ofopeero review. Something that you all say that
you understand what it means as well as the process thereof, yet cannot >fathom what it is
Here is definition, in other words, of peer review within believers >community, from the Bible.
oLet two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.o (1Co 14:29)--
Something that many religious achristiansA cannot accept of believe as
they seek the preeminence amongst men.
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<3klcck123b2m3s7pf740oj6um3tuh1n0ss@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 22:15:23 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5j1b$v3bm$6@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<d5ccck5mfmrh55r21j81sqrujjun5idqv2@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<415ackd3pmqn6hhtfgtifth1hqhrfn5ogg@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID:<10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me>):
(snip)
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back to Africa,
which
is where the first modern humans arose.
That is a total rewrite of Human history, migratory patterns, etc, even
DNA
disproves that thinking. And so does the DNA and genomes of chimps and
humans.
You are confusing Bible mythology with human history. The Bible is not
a history book.
Your assumptions does not truth make. Assumptions of this sort are based
on ignorance whether willful or or simple lack of knowledge.
You didn't know there's a huge body of recorded knowledge that's not
based on the bible at all? Much of it is personal eyewitness info from >> > > persons of known identity, unlike the bible. That's not assumptions, Mr. >> > > Assumer.
The subject you were replying about was the Bible which you called a
mythology out of sheer ignorance.
Where is it verified by unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible evidence?
I think you are speaking on another topic. The evidence of his subject is at >the beginning of his post here.
Then you wandered off, shifting the goal posts with yet more assumptions. >> >
And that body of knowledge has few points of agreement with the bible. >> >Why would it? You really need to go to school and learn about history, and >> > historians.
History and historians look for unambiguous, unrelated,
verifiable and credible evidence to support their findings.
LOL, then a full 98% + of historical records do not meet your requirements.
Which BTW the resulting product of that is that you have no historical >records to bank on.<snipped? The balance as it had nothing of do with your >comment.
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<cqlccklkgrm1r4eu1jujdov335cf5tevuv@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 19:15:56 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10a51fs$r2fg$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 9/13/2025 3:22 PM, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 13:06:58 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10a4bs2$jrvu$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 9/13/2025 8:24 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 13:47:54 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:109vgq9$2vl7u$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
Like the story about how the world and everything on it was
created in six days?
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
Sounds like any religion you care to name.
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Your use of projection amuses me. I do hope you will continue.
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
Read any peer review journal about paleo-anthropology.
Can't tell us? Yet you believe anyway. This makes you
"a believer".
It's easy to believe that which has actual evidence to support
it.
Those who want the *truth* do not accept stories that
are built upon fantasy. However the gullible masses
readily accept them. Like our friend Dawn, and some
others here.
Dawn has openly admitted she is NOT a Christian, so your claim
fails. But continue to claim she is one, if you need to. I would be >> > > > > very surprised if her life is altered in any way as a result of your >> > > > > delusion(s).
My life has been altered. Originally, I thought that craziness only
existed in mass shooters, politicians and at least some of those who are
(or were) married!
Dawn
If you *actually* believe this life is merely a short
prelude to the one to come and if you *actually* believe
that one form of magic will enable you to live it in bliss
and another, slightly different form will cast you into
eternal fire, then anyone pushing the wrong magic is the
worst imaginable kind of criminal, far worse than a mere
murderer.
Welcome to an entirely different universe of craziness.
Explains a lot of the history of Western Civilization! Scary thing
about Christian nationalism is that if & when they stop fighting with Us >> > that they will start fighting with each other!
I am amused by how they say there are dangerous in every
religion - except their own.
You read but do not see, nor comprehend. I have said multiple times, perhaps >100As that I follow no religion, am not part of a religion, as well as none >of you even know the definition of it.
Yet you never seek the truth of the matter.
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:10a7jgl$1jevo$1@dont-email.me...
Sorry, but what you're saying is just nuts.
"Those who are unspiritual donAt accept the
things from GodAs Spirit. They are foolishness
to them and canAt be understood, because they
can only be comprehended in a spiritual way."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:14
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 12:35:26 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a75dt$1fga8$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3blcck577s2bdnm06atb58v148ubl7o0nf@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:25:59 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4r1n$ok2p$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 19:26:11 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries"" have been built upon the scientific method..rather than upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence, that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Not an answer. Be specific.
Do you really lack the power of reason?
Do you lack the power of comprehension? Do you know what
peer review is?
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be peers
of the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
As usual your so-called "evidence" requires a belief in your
silly superstition to be accepted.
I answered the question of peer review, I also gave and example of it, that meets the requirements ofrCLpeerrCY review. Something that you all say that you understand what it means as well as the process thereof, yet cannot fathom what it is
Here is definition, in other words, of peer review within believers community, from the Bible.
And there you go. First you must be a believer.
Analysis by a non-believer is not allowed.
rCLLet two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.rCY (1Co 14:29)
Something that many religious rCychristiansrCO cannot accept of believe as they seek the preeminence amongst men.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 12:26:46 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a74tm$1fga8$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3hlcckpumijgmp4esaishu8bt7vkpul6uc@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:47:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5hce$v3bm$5@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<a4acckp5ejjkenl8btsl72b4vaoforq77e@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be
peers
of
the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
The Bible's peers are established characters like the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, and "Dianetics". They blessed the Holy Scripture and stamped it with their Impramatur.
Wrong, spoken from total ignorance. Like a chemist peer reviewing astronomy.
Why not get a least some rudimentary training about these things, the similarities and the differences, and I am not speaking of a shallow understanding either.
Who knew the bible was brought to you by pagans?
the Holy Bible was brought to man by the Holy Spirit of God, as spoken to
man.
He will interpret it to those who believe in Jesus Christ.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.
Look up the definitions of god. What was considered to be god/gods. In the old time. Not some abbreviated definition that opposes a Supreme Being.
For instance
Drugs are a god to the druggie
Booze is the god of the alcoholic.
Sex is the god to the sexually depraved, etc.
Money is a god to those that are in love with money and seeks great wealth Fast Cars, exclusive cars, etc, are a god to those who are driven to the biggest baddest, or the most elegant, etc.
Judges and Rulers are a god to those who come before them.
Bullies are a god to be feared by the weak.
While these things are not intrinsically bad, or evil, when they are the master of ones life it becomes a god to them. Same with good luck charms, amulets, lucky pennies that some always carry with them.
Satan the god of this world everyone grew up with and he is the originator of
bad or evil thoughts and actions, he is the father/motivator of all lies. And
part of his tool pouch is the use of all the things I listed and yet there is
far more. Like those that seek Power.
These things are norm to all men. Yet few rCysee; them as they are and often
wonder why they behave certain ways as certain times. Yet they themselves determine themselves to be the god of their life, like the guy that proudly sang, rCLI did it my wayrCY. Even some religious people think that and that they can earn a spot in heaven. That will never happen.
I am talking about a god as asserted by individuals here. A
supernatural magic being that can do all sorts of stuff.
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<5njcck575u9snon751caietialq248r13j@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<a4acckp5ejjkenl8btsl72b4vaoforq77e@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be
peers
of
the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
The Bible's peers are established characters like the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, and "Dianetics". They blessed the Holy Scripture and stamped it with their Impramatur.
Wrong, spoken from total ignorance. Like a chemist peer reviewing astronomy.
Then you tell me, who are the Bible's peers?
Every book in the OT was peer reviewed for over 1,000 years initially by the
tribe of Levites as well as all the prophets and has been reviewed since by the peoples of God.
The older books of the OT were passed orally for centuries before being written down. None of the OT was written down before the 10th century
BCE at the earliest. Most of it was written during or after the
Babylonian exile. The Torah didn't reach its final form until that
time.
Everything in the OT is anonymous.
The NT followed after it being peer reviewed by the Disciples, Apostles, as well as many others who have been Born Again.
Yes, the NT was reviewed and revised before the books were widely
circulated, by anonymous authors and anonymous editors. The Gospels
were written to conform with earlier prophecies like Isaiah and Daniel. Virgin birth, Bethleham, crucifixion, and many other modifications were
made to support the messianic narrative.
Then everything was rearranged again at the Council of Nicea in the 4th century.
I'm sure you will recoil at this information. No matter. Modern
scholars know more about it than you. You will keep your opinions,
while others have their own.
And how did they review it?
By reading, studying, and revelation from God, having also lived the life, practiced and proved that what it spoke was right and proper, as well as truthful when applied as God determined in His Word to men.
Something that many pagans and theologians argue, discount, and oppose, since
they cannot understand it, nor do they practice of live it according to Gods
manual for life.
Sort of like you who try to determine what is science and what isnrCOt who are lacking in the training and understanding of sciences.
The irony is that you can't follow a discussion of science.
Science is well defined. Atheists don't have a vested interest in
redefining it, as creationists often try to do.
Why not get a least some rudimentary training about these things, the similarities and the differences, and I am not speaking of a shallow understanding either.
What I need is some training in understanding Robertspeak.
Who knew the bible was brought to you by pagans?
the Holy Bible was brought to man by the Holy Spirit of God, as spoken to
man.
No it wasn't.
There, ;) full out evidence of what I wrote above.
The Holy Spirit, and divinely inspired scripture, are minority beliefs.
No one needs to accept your word on it.
He will interpret it to those who believe in Jesus Christ.
Here's the old "you have to believe before you can believe it" spin.
You have to have faith/confidence in order to believe.
No you don't. Belief comes thru evidence... for balanced minds.
Others will believe whatever they prefer.
That is why you cannot
comprehend and make up your own understanding to cover your ignorance, pretending to be wiser, yet you do not know the rudiments.
That's what I would say too if I were trying to sell a fake religion.
And so you do.
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<i6gdckt7nhv6t7bfidhn2v6qppdtscvk14@4ax.com>):
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 01:06:13 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id <d1tcckhnl7on9d340hb90lmnl5q97q6pbq@4ax.com> wrote:
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<sgicck9jce13c8ueuush7c3f653oshvi1h@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<po9cckl3011sfgicdvb7apiadshp3afsne@4ax.com>):
LOL! It's amazing that here in the 21st century, supposed grown
adults
believe in 1-week creation and The Flood. Then they try to convince
atheists!
Andrew & Robert, you guys are more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
Science and history support the days of creations.
Okay, I'll bite. I get to deny that, then you cite proof from true,
non-looney science and history sources that supports the 6 day creation,
and you can make me look like a damn fool. Ready?...
No Rob, that's false. Science and history do not support the Genesis
creation mythology.
Waiting...
So, Robster, where's the beef? My invitation sits unrequited... all you
have to do is prove science & history support creation, like you said it
does, and I will be all humble and humiliated and everything.
You can do it!
Plant life cannot survive
24 hours without the Sun.
Also false.
Then you are not knowledgeable about plant life and the total absence of
Light.
Are you a biologist now? Any healthy green plant can survive 24 hours of darkness. You could conjure up a solar eclipse that long and prove it!
Excuse me - a solar eclipse only lasts a short time and a
total eclipse can only last minutes.
However there have been numerous occasions when the sun was
blocked for over a day - such as during some volcano
eruptions.
A magic eclipse, like the one in Luke 23, can last for 3 hours.
"44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. 45 And the sun was darkened, and the
veil of the temple was rent in the midst."
Properly translated from greek to todays English it would read "it covered the landrCY or a "darkness covered the all the landrCY
Irrelevant. The whole earth, or whole land, was dark from noon to 3pm.
Now how do you think that happened?
So you admit it wasn't a solar eclipse. Did the sun turn off? The
"firmament" became opaque? No explanation besides "magic"?
Robert, now that we've established there wasn't an eclipse during the crucifixion, what caused the darkness?
Then we'll move on to the earthquake and the zombies.
"And it was now about the sixth hour. And a darkness came over the whole land
until the ninth hour. The sun's light failed, and the curtain of the inner sanctuary was torn into two parts down the center. And Jesus, crying out with
a loud voice said, Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit. And having said this, He breathed out His life. Now, the captain of one hundred Roman soldiers having seen this that had taken place, glorified God saying, Truly this man was upright in character. And all the people who had gathered together because of this spectacle, viewing attentively the things that had taken place, beating their breasts for grief, were returning."
Luke was not a Jew.
Why bring up another irrelevant factoid? If Luke existed, he was greek.
Not only that, the magic eclipse happened at the time of a full moon.
You keep repeating that statement, which is absurdly false. Why?
Because it shows there was no eclipse, or else the gospels are wrong,
both of which you have previously denied.
Jesus was in Jerusalem for Passover, as the gospels say. There will
always be a full moon on Passover night. Jesus was crucified within a
couple days of Passover. Solar eclipses can only happen at a new moon.
Apparently you have abandoned the idea of the darkness being caused by a solar eclipse, so it's moot point. There is hope for you yet!
And even if you could have been right, all this happened during daylight hours.
If you can do magic, reality is optional.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 17:24:02 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7mb2$1jtsc$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<a04dcklq7pgq5grj9scpiqs00c6gi50g58@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:24:45 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qjt$12pq4$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<0nkcckpiflo6noteugq1artknp6u10c85f@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4qq9$ok2p$1@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<78kbcktur2nd3o3tkt2dhsbpeln5qnura7@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4etg$krjv$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<19nackp64c7m0g727n3qil1hs4b4dq9tvq@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:22:03 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <gBbxQ.71208$qPGe.58786@fx16.ams4> wrote:
"None" wrote in message news:10a2v2e$5del$5@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and
see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed
by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Exact where? Please be specific.
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but if
you
really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself. Reason?
You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
No, it is because I do not accept anything in that document
as being true unless the specific item is verified by
unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence. So
far only a few physical locations and historical figured
qualify. A very few.
Then nothing you ever say regarding it has credence.
All I ever say is that it lacks verification. If you
disagree state why. In detail, not generalities.
Since you lack the
knowledge of it as well as the understanding/ Also given as the City of David
has been proven and verifiably so as well as the Temple at shiloh. Then everything surround it must be true as well.
The City of David is the ancient core of Jerusalem. As I
have stated some physical sites have been verified.
Shiloh has been positively identified with modern Khirbet
Seilun, a tell known in Modern Hebrew as Tel Shiloh. It is
located 31 kilometres (19 mi) north of Jerusalem, in the
West Bank, to the west of the modern Israeli settlement town
of Shilo and to the north of the Palestinian town of Turmus
Ayya. Another physical site that seems verified.
Such as what "around it"? The site alone says nothing about
what may or may not have occurred there.
To keep it simple, the site of the temple at Shiloh as I said before does have many signs of what had occurred there. That it was a Jewish Temple, and
their practices were far different that any other religion of its Day.
I am glad to hear that you did do some limited research on these things.
No research is necessary. You are attempting to draw
unwarranted conclusions.
And that is just a couple of the
finds.
To do so I would have to re-research it all, to generate a list as I do
not
keep physical records of what I have learned in the past, as the Lord
consistently gives me new insights none of which conflict with was is
known,
but adds increases in the knowledge and understandings of what went before.
Given that much of what I post you is not remembered, nor honored enough
to
be remembered of what value would be all this added info that you are
already
opposed to and discredited even before you see it since is all 'myths'.
Yet you throw out your comment as if it is the answer to
everything rather than nothing.
It is all based on personal experiences with God, and that is nothing that
you can relate to.
Are you going to address this or just continue to ignore it?
Paleo-anthropology purports to gives us "discoveries" that agree with their a-priori philosophical script, rather than on
true, legitimate science.
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Would you be so kind as to cite chapter and verse? I don't recall
anything about how animals got to other continents. All I recall
regarding the water is that it receded. But no mention of where all
this water, that covered everything, actually receded to.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 16:38:24 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7jlg$1ic7a$7@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<fe4dckpo1q99iqe6l3kgg7bsvejbqt4s21@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:28:04 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qq4$12pq4$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<nvkcck13tmf625ed499cc94eko0tnr5esm@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:07:52 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <scrxQ.23430$7F4e.19459@fx05.ams4> wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI
and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
As years and decades go on, populations
become isolated from those in other parts
of the world.
Irrelevant. There is still a population of unrelated
individuals. BTW, DNA analysis will include the part of the
world your ancestors came from.
BTW, While a few individuals can technically reproduce, a
sustainable human population needs a significant number to
maintain genetic diversity and long-term health, with
estimates for a healthy, self-sustaining population ranging
from 160 to 500 or more, depending on factors like genetic
diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The
50/500 rule, developed for biological populations, suggests
50 individuals are needed to avoid inbreeding and 500 for
long-term evolutionary adaptation, a benchmark that can be
adjusted for humans with careful genetic management.
Where was there technology 3, 4 or t thousand years ago?
What technology was involved?
This is what you said, hence my question.
My comment was not about technology but about the minimum
number of individuals needed to perpetuate a species.
Stay on the subject.
*************************************
depending on factors like genetic
diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The
50/500 rule, developed for biological populations, *************************************
That is where inbreeding and genetic
diseases come from.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
The same factors as existed with the
children of Adam. At that time there
was genetic purity, no defects.
And the same problems existed, which is an excellent
argument against that legend being a myth.
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a7lhh$1jtsc$1@dont-email.me:
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35A54E964835629555@69.80.101.19>):
"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:scrxQ.23430$7F4e.19459@fx05.ams4:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer
my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that
they have enlightened us about any thing.....in
your own words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the
stories that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not
realizinng that you have been~woefully
deceived~along with all the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'.
Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries"" have been built upon the scientific method..rather than upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced
back to Africa, which is where the first modern
humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of
Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of
four rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
As years and decades go on, populations
become isolated from those in other parts
of the world.
That just means a lot of people
all carry the same genes. And the
same genetic diseases.
If so then how can one distinguish brother, sister, Father and Mother?
You don't know who your brothers and
sisters and parents are?
And why is one child affected but not the others?
This is your mythology, you tell us.
That is where inbreeding and genetic
diseases come from.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
The same factors as existed with the
children of Adam.
What factors?
Incest is still incest.
In todays world og rCLOne Big FamilyrCY then who is not committing
incest?
Do you really need a definition
of incest?
At that time there
was genetic purity, no defects.
1) The Bible doesn't say that.
It was implied. rCLAnd God saw every thing that he had made, and,
behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the
sixth day.rCY (Gen 1:31)
That has nothing to do with all
the Noah family incect after the Flood.
Dang, haven't you read your Bible?
2) Then where did genetic
defects come from?
Lucifer aka Satan.
rCLThey that see thee shall wonder at thee, and say, This is the man
that troubled the earth, that made kings to shake; that made the whole world desolate, and destroyed its cities; he loosed not those who were
in captivity.rCY (Isa 14:16-17)
Nothing in there about who
created genetic diseases.
3) There was no "Cain's wife from
the land of Nod" excuse in the flood
story. Noah's children all had sex
with each other. You ocannot get
around that.
I sure can by reading the Bible and seeing your errors.
You aren't the first to run away when
questioned about these glaring errors in
the Bible.
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a7m12$1jtsc$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35A55AD64BD6629555@69.80.101.19>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a5gre$v3bm$3@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20>):
"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:GykxQ.85800$qPGe.18871@fx16.ams4:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB3594FCA6B02A629555@69.80.101.12...
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer
my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that
they have enlightened us about any thing.....in
your own words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the
stories that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not
realizinng that you have been~woefully
deceived~along with all the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'.
Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries"" have been built upon the scientific method..rather than upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced
back to Africa, which is where the first modern
humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of
Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of
four rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
That is where inbreeding and genetic
diseases come from.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
They were only about five or so generations from Adam. Each had
wives from other people they would be 1st or 2nd cousins and third cousins of todays time are considered pretty free from any issues.
Their descendants have been traced around the world. Meaning the
known world of their days.
So Noah's family is the source of all
genetic diseases we have today. Dwarfism,
autims, Spina Bifida, cleft palates,
Sickle cell, Alzheimers.
That is all because of Lucifer.
The Bible doesn't say that.
None of those maladies was noted in
his children.
So where did they come from,
according to the Bible?
Why would God choose such a sickly
family to reproduce all mankind?
Show where they were sickly especially given that they built the Ark,
and took care of all its occupants and then released them all, appropriately.
If all these genetic disease weren't
present in Noah's family then where did they
come from?
I am still curious about a question I asked about your wife. If it is inappropriate then tell me so. But you told me decades ago that you
were married.
Do you really expect me to divulge personal
details to someone hiding behind the anonymous
handle of "None"?
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a7p2i$1kfmq$3@dont-email.me:
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35A53AB0A91D629555@69.80.102.14>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a5952$sg6h$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D1AC72BC0629555@69.80.102.21>):
Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:10a51be$r2fg$1@dont-email.me:
On 9/13/2025 4:40 PM, None wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a4i4p$lt9j$2@dont-email.me>):
On 9/13/2025 1:24 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a4a71$j4ov$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB3594F5D0729D629555@69.80.101.12>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a2ubk$5del$3@dont-email.me:
On Sep 12, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<4ti9ckpfrip5vckkmrc81ri5iqi25uujj6@4ax.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 17:18:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<0oc9ck53j37rmkq3hv6u0m5klmi87d33ib@ 4ax. com>):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 12:56:54 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<7qp8ckhb1epb3r83oopm8j4sub39g8f tog@ 4ax.com>):
On Thu, 11 Sep 2025 21:37:20 -0700, None<none@none.non>
wrote:
On Sep 11, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote<snip>
What other data is there to
measure time but scientific data?
The universe expands at a known
rate, the continents move at a
known rate, starlight reaches our
eyes at a known rate. If those
known rates are wrong what rates
are right?
If the continents moved at a known rate then there would be no earthquakes.
The continents move at about the rate at which fingernails grow. When two
continents
(or, more precisely, the tectonic plates
they are a part of) move
past each other, sometimes they get
"stuck" on the rough edges of the plates they're moving past. The pressure to
keep moving persists, though, and finally
the two plates break apart from each
other. The
energy released when
they break apart is an earthquake.
You just showed that the continents stop
moving periodically, and you did not
post how much they jumped when an
earthquake happens.
Why do you need to know that?
I donrCOt, but you do so as not to make foolish declarations.
If you didn't need to know, why did you ask the question?
Yet we often see the
evidences of that when the ground opens up
and the gap left can be seen in inches to yards. It is inconsistent movement. Many
have seen the
earth opening and closing in
mere moments as is caught on video.
No, there aren't *that* many earthquakes. The rate of movement has been measured with satellites and other such
precision instruments.
Wow, are you really lacking that much, there
are literally 100rCOs to 1,000rCOs of
earthquakes every day.
Which is not many at any given spot on the earth.
All volcanos would erupt and known
cycles and explosive
rates.
No, volcanic eruptions are caused by
other factors besides just the rate at
which tectonic plates move.
So you agreed with, me as well as added
more excuses which you could not
rationalize.
LOL! That was the last comment I made, so no
more "excuses" could have been added.
However in this case, I was correct and did not make a trolling off the wall comment like you"Trolling off the wall"? What is that?
did.
There are designed in limitations to all
the realities of this realm. Which
the forces of realm must adhere to, and
that is why all these natural laws and
rules can be identified via the reverse engineering of
sciences. Which is why there is
order.
Reverse engineering from what to what? How do
you know the order hasn't always been there?
That is what I said, the order of this realm
was there all along, ever since it was made.
No, I mean without it ever being made.
Do you know anything about reverse engineering?
Reverse engineering is when you figure out something's design by studying its function. What does that have to do with the "realm" of science?
There is another realm to which none of
these laws of order apply. Yet like
anhydrous ammonia and water can dwell
together in the same physical space, so can
the two realms exist. Water being
similar to the elements of this realm.
If you have any scientific knowledge you
should be able to understand that.
What makes you think there is another realm?
I do not think it, I know it is real and
exists, something you all deny, yet you are affected by its realty.
What makes you think you know it's real? And how
does that affect the rest of us?
You have totally lost your trolling touch.
I had to laugh at some of your comments/questions/reasonings.
you are out of phase, even with your own
statements. That is sad to see. :(
This is how all arguments with Christians end.
They toss out some claims, you ask intelligent
questions about them, they ignore them, call
you a troll and run away. As with Robert, as
with Andrew, as with this rCLNonerCY.
ROTFLOL You consider your questions intelligent? Based
upon what? Ego? A point to argue that is based on foolishness?
Your claim:
The earth as you know it was not until it was called
earth on the 3rd day of this realm. The planets stars,
etc were not until the 4th day of this realm. All this occurred around 6,000 years ago.
I just asked what happened 6009
years ago and where does the Bible
say that.
You need to learn in order to have knowledge, and then
use that knowledge to come up with a well defined
question that is not based on foolish assumptions or
old wives tales. If you ask a question to learn
something so that you are no longer ignorant of that
topic, then the answer will stick in your mind forever which may lead to further questions once the door of knowledge was opened to you and you received it.
If you asked the same question over and over again, it shows that you were unable to comprehend it or
willingly denied the answer showing that you asked
without the desire to learn, commonly thought of as
troll speak.
The Bible makes no mention of ANYTHING
happening 6000 years ago. Since you claim
it does could you share a Bible passage or
two on this point?
Mitch,
You're "arguing" with someone who is in the same category
as those who believe that the South won the American Civil
War. Maybe he's (she's?) real, a bot, a Russian troll ("Comrade?"), or something else. Perhaps, "laisse passer"
on this one?!
Dawn
Dawn, not only was he shown the events and historical
evidences that lead up to the understanding, like you he has
read the Bible, Yes, I realize that many people have read it, found it was a chore, or hard to understand the old English language. But all that changes once a person is Born Again of God. Then their whole aspect of it changes immediately.
I know this from a personal standpoint when God became a
reality to me, in this life.
This is the same tactic Robert
uses, the "God spoke to me and said
I was right and you are wrong".
I always wonder how mamy women
were burned to death by Christians
claiming "God spoke to me and told
me they were witchesrCY.
That happened many times by many so-called christians. They were
not of God and under the NT covenant it was not condoned.
So you are "of God" but others
claiming to be "of God" are not really
"of God". See the problem?
Yes, you read assuming and not by understanding.
I never used that tactic. The word of God is right in all things.
So when God orders people to be killed
for doing something we should do that, no?
No. And that answer only adds to your confused state of mind.
So defying a direct order from
God is OK now?
Just checking.
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<o2jeck9d001k075d93fpvuslnpvn2kk6da@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<5njcck575u9snon751caietialq248r13j@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<a4acckp5ejjkenl8btsl72b4vaoforq77e@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own
standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be
peers
of
the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
The Bible's peers are established characters like the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, and "Dianetics". They blessed the Holy Scripture and stamped it with their Impramatur.
Wrong, spoken from total ignorance. Like a chemist peer reviewing astronomy.
Then you tell me, who are the Bible's peers?
Every book in the OT was peer reviewed for over 1,000 years initially by the
tribe of Levites as well as all the prophets and has been reviewed since by
the peoples of God.
The older books of the OT were passed orally for centuries before being written down. None of the OT was written down before the 10th century
BCE at the earliest. Most of it was written during or after the
Babylonian exile. The Torah didn't reach its final form until that
time.
Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the
Everything in the OT is anonymous.
Is there any reason I should continue on in this post given your knowledge?
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2Yes, the NT was reviewed and revised before the books were widely circulated, by anonymous authors and anonymous editors. The Gospels
were written to conform with earlier prophecies like Isaiah and Daniel. Virgin birth, Bethleham, crucifixion, and many other modifications were made to support the messianic narrative.
Then everything was rearranged again at the Council of Nicea in the 4th century.
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<mhleckd9e9589jo5c8gr02m90faf8iqomq@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<i6gdckt7nhv6t7bfidhn2v6qppdtscvk14@4ax.com>):
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 01:06:13 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id <d1tcckhnl7on9d340hb90lmnl5q97q6pbq@4ax.com> wrote:
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<sgicck9jce13c8ueuush7c3f653oshvi1h@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<po9cckl3011sfgicdvb7apiadshp3afsne@4ax.com>):
LOL! It's amazing that here in the 21st century, supposed grown
adults
believe in 1-week creation and The Flood. Then they try to convince
atheists!
Andrew & Robert, you guys are more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
Science and history support the days of creations.
Okay, I'll bite. I get to deny that, then you cite proof from true,
non-looney science and history sources that supports the 6 day creation,
and you can make me look like a damn fool. Ready?...
No Rob, that's false. Science and history do not support the Genesis
creation mythology.
Waiting...
So, Robster, where's the beef? My invitation sits unrequited... all you
have to do is prove science & history support creation, like you said it
does, and I will be all humble and humiliated and everything.
You can do it!
Plant life cannot survive
24 hours without the Sun.
Also false.
Then you are not knowledgeable about plant life and the total absence of
Light.
Are you a biologist now? Any healthy green plant can survive 24 hours
of darkness. You could conjure up a solar eclipse that long and prove
it!
Excuse me - a solar eclipse only lasts a short time and a
total eclipse can only last minutes.
However there have been numerous occasions when the sun was
blocked for over a day - such as during some volcano
eruptions.
A magic eclipse, like the one in Luke 23, can last for 3 hours.
"44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. 45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst."
Properly translated from greek to todays English it would read "it covered
the lando or a "darkness covered the all the lando
Irrelevant. The whole earth, or whole land, was dark from noon to 3pm.
Now how do you think that happened?
It is not irrelevant, for the whole earth was not darkened.
As to how it happened you can check if you have the smarts from NASAAs website. You know this from jumping in on a reply to Dawn/
So you admit it wasn't a solar eclipse. Did the sun turn off? The "firmament" became opaque? No explanation besides "magic"?
Another false troll comment and insertion. Bye
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<kh2fck9ofivv9s9s7r5hnupolh1iv3ls47@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 17:24:02 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7mb2$1jtsc$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wroteNo research is necessary. You are attempting to draw
(Message-ID:<a04dcklq7pgq5grj9scpiqs00c6gi50g58@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:24:45 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qjt$12pq4$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<0nkcckpiflo6noteugq1artknp6u10c85f@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4qq9$ok2p$1@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<78kbcktur2nd3o3tkt2dhsbpeln5qnura7@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4etg$krjv$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wroteExact where? Please be specific.
(Message-ID:<19nackp64c7m0g727n3qil1hs4b4dq9tvq@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:22:03 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id >> > > > > > > > > <gBbxQ.71208$qPGe.58786@fx16.ams4> wrote:
"None" wrote in message news:10a2v2e$5del$5@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and
see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed
by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible. >> > > > > > >
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but if
you
really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself. Reason?
You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
No, it is because I do not accept anything in that document
as being true unless the specific item is verified by
unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence. So
far only a few physical locations and historical figured
qualify. A very few.
Then nothing you ever say regarding it has credence.
All I ever say is that it lacks verification. If you
disagree state why. In detail, not generalities.
Since you lack the
knowledge of it as well as the understanding/ Also given as the City of
David
has been proven and verifiably so as well as the Temple at shiloh. Then
everything surround it must be true as well.
The City of David is the ancient core of Jerusalem. As I
have stated some physical sites have been verified.
Shiloh has been positively identified with modern Khirbet
Seilun, a tell known in Modern Hebrew as Tel Shiloh. It is
located 31 kilometres (19 mi) north of Jerusalem, in the
West Bank, to the west of the modern Israeli settlement town
of Shilo and to the north of the Palestinian town of Turmus
Ayya. Another physical site that seems verified.
Such as what "around it"? The site alone says nothing about
what may or may not have occurred there.
To keep it simple, the site of the temple at Shiloh as I said before does >> > have many signs of what had occurred there. That it was a Jewish Temple, and
their practices were far different that any other religion of its Day.
I am glad to hear that you did do some limited research on these things. >>
unwarranted conclusions.
False as I told you or others here what a couple of the indicators were. They >were facts, and not conclusions drawn by me.
And that is just a couple of the
finds.
To do so I would have to re-research it all, to generate a list as I do
not
keep physical records of what I have learned in the past, as the Lord
consistently gives me new insights none of which conflict with was is
known,
but adds increases in the knowledge and understandings of what went
before.
Given that much of what I post you is not remembered, nor honored enough
to
be remembered of what value would be all this added info that you are
already
opposed to and discredited even before you see it since is all 'myths'.
Yet you throw out your comment as if it is the answer to
everything rather than nothing.
It is all based on personal experiences with God, and that is nothing that
you can relate to.
Are you going to address this or just continue to ignore it? >> > > > > > > > >
Paleo-anthropology purports to gives us "discoveries" that >> > > > > > > > > > agree with their a-priori philosophical script, rather than on
true, legitimate science.
On Sep 14, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote >(Message-ID:<ri6dckd6ppvql02dtr2qfeia5ucfdnkb4r@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Would you be so kind as to cite chapter and verse? I don't recall
anything about how animals got to other continents. All I recall
regarding the water is that it receded. But no mention of where all
this water, that covered everything, actually receded to.
Where is your proof of other continents in that day.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
They were only about five or so generations from Adam. Each had wives
from other people they would be 1st or 2nd cousins and third cousins
of todays time are considered pretty free from any issues.
Their descendants have been traced around the world. Meaning the known
world of their days.
So Noah's family is the source of all
genetic diseases we have today. Dwarfism,
autims, Spina Bifida, cleft palates,
Sickle cell, Alzheimers.
Why would God choose such a sickly
family to reproduce all mankind?
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 06:25:58 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id ><i6gdckt7nhv6t7bfidhn2v6qppdtscvk14@4ax.com> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 01:06:13 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<d1tcckhnl7on9d340hb90lmnl5q97q6pbq@4ax.com> wrote:
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<sgicck9jce13c8ueuush7c3f653oshvi1h@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<po9cckl3011sfgicdvb7apiadshp3afsne@4ax.com>):
Science and history support the days of creations.
LOL! It's amazing that here in the 21st century, supposed grown adults
believe in 1-week creation and The Flood. Then they try to convince
atheists!
Andrew & Robert, you guys are more fun than a barrel of monkeys. >>> >> > >
Okay, I'll bite. I get to deny that, then you cite proof from true, >>> >> > non-looney science and history sources that supports the 6 day creation,
and you can make me look like a damn fool. Ready?...
No Rob, that's false. Science and history do not support the Genesis >>> >> > creation mythology.
Waiting...
So, Robster, where's the beef? My invitation sits unrequited... all you >>> >have to do is prove science & history support creation, like you said it >>> >does, and I will be all humble and humiliated and everything.
You can do it!
Plant life cannot survive
24 hours without the Sun.
Also false.
Then you are not knowledgeable about plant life and the total absence of
Light.
Are you a biologist now? Any healthy green plant can survive 24 hours
of darkness. You could conjure up a solar eclipse that long and prove
it!
Excuse me - a solar eclipse only lasts a short time and a
total eclipse can only last minutes.
However there have been numerous occasions when the sun was
blocked for over a day - such as during some volcano
eruptions.
A magic eclipse, like the one in Luke 23, can last for 3 hours.
There is no limit on a magic anything.
"44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all
the earth until the ninth hour. 45 And the sun was darkened, and the
veil of the temple was rent in the midst."
Not only that, the magic eclipse happened at the time of a full moon.
If you can do magic, reality is optional.
Much like supporting evidence is "everything" or "the
universe"
Personally I think the universe complete with history,
population, and memories came into existence fifteen seconds
ago.
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
Genetic diversity happens all the time in
populations. You would have known that
if you ever studied the work of Mendel.
That combined with geographic isolation
helps us understand why we have different
races today.
As years and decades go on, populations
become isolated from those in other parts
of the world.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
Those on the Ark were all married.
The same factors as existed with the
children of Adam.
What factors?
Incest is still incest.
At that time there
was genetic purity, no defects.
1) The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
2) Then where did genetic
defects come from?
Genetic entropy happens.
3) There was no "Cain's wife from
the land of Nod" excuse in the flood
story. Noah's children all had sex
with each other. You ocannot get
around that.
Why are you so concerned about their
personal lives? I suspect you are trying
to justify yourself in some things that
you have done.
On Sep 14, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote >(Message-ID:<8j6dckd2rqf5uj6jdh6g3lmuci8cu8g0c4@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 19:26:11 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own
standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
Since when?
Since always fro, the beginning until now.
There is nothing peer reviewed that supports the Garden of Eden
ever existed. The same with humans being created there. To be fair,
I'm not aware of anything that actually refutes it, either.
the Bible speaks specifically of the original location of it. Persians are >proud of the fact that they dwell near where it was.
I am not speaking of
those that became Muslims, most of them by force, as many still hold to their >old religion.
Are there some things that are believed by Faith? Yes, and that faith is >given by God, and when people believe upon God and now him experientially and >then know the reality of Him it becomes clear to them with a reality that >cannot be denied. The physical reality/evidence of this was brought clearly >to men of old with the contest between the prophets of BAAL and the Prophet >of God Elijah.
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<ro2fckl1k7m5v97nk8tlubr1l74p8pefuo@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 16:38:24 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7jlg$1ic7a$7@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<fe4dckpo1q99iqe6l3kgg7bsvejbqt4s21@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:28:04 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qq4$12pq4$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<nvkcck13tmf625ed499cc94eko0tnr5esm@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:07:52 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<scrxQ.23430$7F4e.19459@fx05.ams4> wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI
and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
As years and decades go on, populations
become isolated from those in other parts
of the world.
Irrelevant. There is still a population of unrelated
individuals. BTW, DNA analysis will include the part of the
world your ancestors came from.
BTW, While a few individuals can technically reproduce, a
sustainable human population needs a significant number to
maintain genetic diversity and long-term health, with
estimates for a healthy, self-sustaining population ranging
from 160 to 500 or more, depending on factors like genetic
diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The
50/500 rule, developed for biological populations, suggests
50 individuals are needed to avoid inbreeding and 500 for
long-term evolutionary adaptation, a benchmark that can be
adjusted for humans with careful genetic management.
Where was there technology 3, 4 or t thousand years ago?
What technology was involved?
This is what you said, hence my question.
My comment was not about technology but about the minimum
number of individuals needed to perpetuate a species.
Stay on the subject.
I did according to your definition of all the things that you stated had to >be part of the picture.
I quoted below the pertinent part I asked you specifically where was there >technology thousands of years before. You were the one that pointed out that >technology had to be used, I asked where was it,
It was your assumption that technology had to be a part of it, so if you were >correct then you would know what technology was used.
If you canAt cash the check, then say so.
*************************************
depending on factors like genetic
diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The
50/500 rule, developed for biological populations,
*************************************
That is where inbreeding and genetic
diseases come from.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
The same factors as existed with the
children of Adam. At that time there
was genetic purity, no defects.
And the same problems existed, which is an excellent
argument against that legend being a myth.
On 9/14/2025 5:36 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 14:03:29 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Kenito Benito" wrote in message news:e6sack1t54ojl4vns19v1epeicph3nlddi@4ax.com...
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and >>>>>>>>>>> see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question. >>>>>>>>>>
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
you know the one thing about that which makes no sense? it makes
us all super inbred.
Something I would like to be explained is why Cain was worried
someone would kill him for his murder of Abel. Since there was only
Adam, Eve and their children, who were these other people that cause
Cain to fear them?
Did the God of the Bible create other humans that he placed in
other areas? He must have. But if the Bible is to be believed, there
was only Adam and Eve until they left the Garden. Then they had
children.
Maybe some of the kids took off to make their way in the world.
There is no mention of this, so anyone who accepts the Bible as valid
would dismiss that as a realistic possibility.
This also will mean all of Adam's and Eve's children had to
procreate with their siblings.
Yes.
The negative results in incestuous offspring is well known.
That wasn't the case back then, because at the beginning there
were no genetic defects to pass on. A&E had perfect genomes.
So God suspended the laws of genetics you must believe he set up?
Why would any deity do such a thing, even if for the short term?
No, it's all alien mind control; why don't you understand this??! What
is wrong with you??? Let me repeat myself, except with CAPITAL letters:
NO, IT'S ALL ALIEN MIND CONTROL; WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS??! WHAT
IS WRONG WITH YOU???
Are things clear now for you?
On 9/11/25 4:15 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Your avoidance has failed. I suspect you are quite used to >>>>failure. But only you can really know.
So you're a fucking idiot,
You're the one who, when PROVED wrong, brought up sock puppets.
It's not about me, you FuckTard.
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote >(Message-ID:<o2jeck9d001k075d93fpvuslnpvn2kk6da@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<5njcck575u9snon751caietialq248r13j@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<a4acckp5ejjkenl8btsl72b4vaoforq77e@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own >> > > > > > > > > standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be
peers
of
the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
The Bible's peers are established characters like the Quran, the
Bhagavad Gita, and "Dianetics". They blessed the Holy Scripture and >> > > > > stamped it with their Impramatur.
Wrong, spoken from total ignorance. Like a chemist peer reviewing
astronomy.
Then you tell me, who are the Bible's peers?
Every book in the OT was peer reviewed for over 1,000 years initially by the
tribe of Levites as well as all the prophets and has been reviewed since by
the peoples of God.
The older books of the OT were passed orally for centuries before being
written down. None of the OT was written down before the 10th century
BCE at the earliest. Most of it was written during or after the
Babylonian exile. The Torah didn't reach its final form until that
time.
Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the >morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according >to the twelve tribes of Israel.
Deu 31:9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons >of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the >elders of Israel.
This was all done well before the Israelites left the desert land. IOW within >the first 40 years. And Exodus was written in the earlier days.
Moses was well trained and educated so that he could rule in Egypt as part of >the Pharaohs family from the time of his birth.
Everything in the OT is anonymous.
Is there any reason I should continue on in this post given your knowledge?
The NT followed after it being peer reviewed by the Disciples, Apostles, as
well as many others who have been Born Again.
Yes, the NT was reviewed and revised before the books were widely
circulated, by anonymous authors and anonymous editors. The Gospels
were written to conform with earlier prophecies like Isaiah and Daniel.
Virgin birth, Bethleham, crucifixion, and many other modifications were
made to support the messianic narrative.
Then everything was rearranged again at the Council of Nicea in the 4th
century.
I'm sure you will recoil at this information. No matter. Modern
scholars know more about it than you. You will keep your opinions,
while others have their own.
And how did they review it?
By reading, studying, and revelation from God, having also lived the life, >> > practiced and proved that what it spoke was right and proper, as well as >> > truthful when applied as God determined in His Word to men.
Something that many pagans and theologians argue, discount, and oppose,
since
they cannot understand it, nor do they practice of live it according to Gods
manual for life.
Sort of like you who try to determine what is science and what isnAt who >> > are lacking in the training and understanding of sciences.
The irony is that you can't follow a discussion of science.
Science is well defined. Atheists don't have a vested interest in
redefining it, as creationists often try to do.
Why not get a least some rudimentary training about these things, the >> > > > similarities and the differences, and I am not speaking of a shallow >> > > > understanding either.
What I need is some training in understanding Robertspeak.
Who knew the bible was brought to you by pagans?
the Holy Bible was brought to man by the Holy Spirit of God, as spoken to
man.
No it wasn't.
There, ;) full out evidence of what I wrote above.
The Holy Spirit, and divinely inspired scripture, are minority beliefs.
No one needs to accept your word on it.
He will interpret it to those who believe in Jesus Christ.
Here's the old "you have to believe before you can believe it" spin.
You have to have faith/confidence in order to believe.
No you don't. Belief comes thru evidence... for balanced minds.
Others will believe whatever they prefer.
That is why you cannot
comprehend and make up your own understanding to cover your ignorance,
pretending to be wiser, yet you do not know the rudiments.
That's what I would say too if I were trying to sell a fake religion.
And so you do.
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<685fck1h6qr3ppe8ej62qmfjahuu15vn1k@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 12:26:46 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a74tm$1fga8$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<3hlcckpumijgmp4esaishu8bt7vkpul6uc@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:47:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5hce$v3bm$5@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<a4acckp5ejjkenl8btsl72b4vaoforq77e@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own >> > > > > > > > > standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be
peers
of
the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
The Bible's peers are established characters like the Quran, the
Bhagavad Gita, and "Dianetics". They blessed the Holy Scripture and >> > > > > stamped it with their Impramatur.
Wrong, spoken from total ignorance. Like a chemist peer reviewing
astronomy.
Why not get a least some rudimentary training about these things, the >> > > > similarities and the differences, and I am not speaking of a shallow >> > > > understanding either.
Who knew the bible was brought to you by pagans?
the Holy Bible was brought to man by the Holy Spirit of God, as spoken to
man.
He will interpret it to those who believe in Jesus Christ.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.
Look up the definitions of god. What was considered to be god/gods. In the >> > old time. Not some abbreviated definition that opposes a Supreme Being.
For instance
Drugs are a god to the druggie
Booze is the god of the alcoholic.
Sex is the god to the sexually depraved, etc.
Money is a god to those that are in love with money and seeks great wealth >> > Fast Cars, exclusive cars, etc, are a god to those who are driven to the >> > biggest baddest, or the most elegant, etc.
Judges and Rulers are a god to those who come before them.
Bullies are a god to be feared by the weak.
While these things are not intrinsically bad, or evil, when they are the >> > master of ones life it becomes a god to them. Same with good luck charms, >> > amulets, lucky pennies that some always carry with them.
Satan the god of this world everyone grew up with and he is the originator >> > of
bad or evil thoughts and actions, he is the father/motivator of all lies. >> > And
part of his tool pouch is the use of all the things I listed and yet there >> > is
far more. Like those that seek Power.
These things are norm to all men. Yet few asee; them as they are and often >> > wonder why they behave certain ways as certain times. Yet they themselves >> > determine themselves to be the god of their life, like the guy that proudly
sang, oI did it my wayo. Even some religious people think that and that
they can earn a spot in heaven. That will never happen.
I am talking about a god as asserted by individuals here. A
supernatural magic being that can do all sorts of stuff.
Yet when I speak of a god, not God you do not know the difference and cannot >understand. So you assume.
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<de5fckpklde4uftuipcaunkgo5imopqso4@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 12:35:26 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a75dt$1fga8$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<3blcck577s2bdnm06atb58v148ubl7o0nf@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:25:59 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4r1n$ok2p$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 19:26:11 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses! >> > > > > > > > > >
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries"" >> > > > > > > > > > have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence, >> > > > > > > that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was >> > > > > > > created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own
standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Not an answer. Be specific.
Do you really lack the power of reason?
Do you lack the power of comprehension? Do you know what
peer review is?
I asked you that.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be peers
of the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
As usual your so-called "evidence" requires a belief in your
silly superstition to be accepted.
I answered the question of peer review, I also gave and example of it, that
meets the requirements ofopeero review. Something that you all say that
you understand what it means as well as the process thereof, yet cannot
fathom what it is
Here is definition, in other words, of peer review within believers
community, from the Bible.
And there you go. First you must be a believer.
To judge a believer and be a peer, then? - - - -
Analysis by a non-believer is not allowed.
To a very limited sense when speaking of the scriptures. For that reason I >use the word ignorance, not as a slight but of position.
oLet two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.o (1Co 14:29) >> >
Something that many religious achristiansA cannot accept of believe as
they seek the preeminence amongst men.
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB35AD004FD1C1629555@69.80.101.16...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
So when God orders people to be killed
for doing something we should do that, no?
No, because we are not living under a
theocracy.
So violating God's express orders is OK?
If you want to die, you are free to go in that
direction..
"Cast away from you all the transgressions that
you have committed, and make yourselves a
new heart and a new spirit! Why will you die?
For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone,
declares the Lord God; so turn, and live."
~ Ezekiel 18:31-32
If you want to live under a theocracy you
may go to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.
But if you are a homosexual, you may
get in some big trouble with them.
You may even be publicly executed.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 10:37:12 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 06:25:58 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id >><i6gdckt7nhv6t7bfidhn2v6qppdtscvk14@4ax.com> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 01:06:13 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<d1tcckhnl7on9d340hb90lmnl5q97q6pbq@4ax.com> wrote:
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<sgicck9jce13c8ueuush7c3f653oshvi1h@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<po9cckl3011sfgicdvb7apiadshp3afsne@4ax.com>):
Science and history support the days of creations.
LOL! It's amazing that here in the 21st century, supposed grown adults
believe in 1-week creation and The Flood. Then they try to convince
atheists!
Andrew & Robert, you guys are more fun than a barrel of monkeys. >>>> >> > >
Okay, I'll bite. I get to deny that, then you cite proof from true, >>>> >> > non-looney science and history sources that supports the 6 day creation,
and you can make me look like a damn fool. Ready?...
No Rob, that's false. Science and history do not support the Genesis >>>> >> > creation mythology.
Waiting...
So, Robster, where's the beef? My invitation sits unrequited... all you >>>> >have to do is prove science & history support creation, like you said it >>>> >does, and I will be all humble and humiliated and everything.
You can do it!
Plant life cannot survive
24 hours without the Sun.
Also false.
Then you are not knowledgeable about plant life and the total absence of
Light.
Are you a biologist now? Any healthy green plant can survive 24 hours >>>> >of darkness. You could conjure up a solar eclipse that long and prove >>>> >it!
Excuse me - a solar eclipse only lasts a short time and a
total eclipse can only last minutes.
However there have been numerous occasions when the sun was
blocked for over a day - such as during some volcano
eruptions.
A magic eclipse, like the one in Luke 23, can last for 3 hours.
There is no limit on a magic anything.
"44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all >>>the earth until the ninth hour. 45 And the sun was darkened, and the
veil of the temple was rent in the midst."
Not only that, the magic eclipse happened at the time of a full moon.
If you can do magic, reality is optional.
Much like supporting evidence is "everything" or "the
universe"
Personally I think the universe complete with history,
population, and memories came into existence fifteen seconds
ago.
HEATHEN! You know it was only 14 seconds ago, and created from
the gaseous emissions of the Invisible Pink Unicorn shortly after a
morally questionable encounter with a mare going by the name of
Chucky.
Do I need to order Fang to get "The Comfy Chair?" You will be
required stay in the chair until lunch time, with only a cup of coffee
at 11:00.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 09:09:13 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<jnkdcklebsl03u0iq4a2harh1mlus6emhf@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:23:52 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<8ebcck1pfpb7it0366gpp9d1csauc7ciih@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 19:02:27 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<ic6cckdv8rbi3h9ft67niro7o61c0tus6g@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 17:01:55 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<v2sbckdhvlboga8cflvphusg6o5qdnte0d@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 14:06:02 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a4c55$jrvu$4@dont-email.me>):
<snip>On 9/13/2025 12:26 PM, None wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
Where was this "spoken of" 5000 years ago?
Historically both answers are written in the Bible.
Please do not waste too much of your time on this stuff. Life is
far
too short!
Dawn
This rCOstuffrCO ? If you are speaking of the things of God
I think she was saying that they're not things of God to begin with.
then this short
time we have is extremely vital to our eternal futures.
Christians throughout the ages have believed that they lived in the
end times -- from Paul who clearly believed he would be alive and
waiting for Jesus when the world came to an end, to Christians who
believed that 1000 CE portended an end of the world, to the Millerites
of the 19th century Great Disappointment who calculated that the
world
would end in October 1844 -- so perhaps you shouldn't be so sure that
"time is short.rCY
We were told to be constantly vigilant and live our lives expected the
suddenly of suddenlies. After all who wants to be caught short like
the
5
virgins left behind.
Well, couldn't they get a second chance?!
If they make it through the initial WWW alive, yes, but from what I Read
that
they must not recant. For many will be beheaded after torture.
And God can't overcome that?
Would you rather operate like a robot without free will. Or should it only
be
the freedom of choice for some people but not all?
So in the parable of the 10 virgins, the virgins who were "caught
short" didn't *want* to go into the wedding feast?
Oh they wanted to alright, but they were too entangled with the affairs of this world to be ready.
When they realized that their relationship with the bridegroom had gone cold
and after asking the others to give them what they needed to enter be ready,
the bridegroom had already come and swept the others away. When the indifferent ones found out, they came banging on the doors to let them in but
the bridegroom said to them, leave, I never knew you.
So why couldn't they get a second chance when they were banging on the
door? Why couldn't they get a chance to know the bridegroom even
after they'd screwed up the first time around?
You see, the weddings of the Jewish culture was after the couple was rCyengagedrCO the bride was to get ready for marriage, and during the following year the bridegroom could come at any time and snatch her away, she
was notified in a very short time by his best friends who would blow their horns announcing he was coming, on his way, and then he would suddenly come and snatch her away, to the place or room that he had built for them at his fathers house, and there they would dwell for a year, for their honeymoon. Neither worked, for that first year was all their time to know each other.. that is what Jesus has done for his bride as well. The wedding feast was enjoyed by both families for up to a month as they partied and celebrated the
marriage.
Where did you get that from?
In those days, God pulls out that which holders back evil for those seven
years. But these things you would never understand as you do not know who
God is.
Cite?
rCLFor the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.rCY (2Th 2:7)
I was really referring to the "seven years" reference. Where did that
come from? And why would God try force people to believe a lie, as
found elsewhere in 2 Thessalonians?
There is so much answers that God holds in his hand, but how are those that oppose him going to hear? They canrCOt, they are not willing and so
they have not the ears to hear.
Why do you believe that?
That is made most obvious by the atheist, but the same thing is occurring with those that believe there is a God, but they are more interested in the affairs of this world that they have no time for God, and or they donrCOt want him messing with the sins they enjoy. Some are bitter towards him because he didnrCOt jump to their commands or demands.
Any examples of this?
Yet Jesus gave us the signs, and when they are all
happening at the same time, with an increasing ferocity and the nations
are
all lined up as specified for a future war of MAJOR proportions. There
is not much left to be fulfilled before Jesus comes in the air.
War, not peace, is the norm for cities and states in ancient times and
even in the modern world. Any "signs" of Jesus' supposed return have
long since occurred, without any end of the world to go with them.
Nope, for a prophecy to be fulfilled all aspects of it must happen. Only
partial aspects that fit near the defined prophecy, will they protected
those
that were aware, were not the actual fulfillment.
Presumably, Isaiah's "prophecy" was written before Damascus was rebuilt.
You have had that discussion with others about that prophecy, but you dismissed the words of the Bible to accept a supposition of man who had not
the ears to hear what was written.
What was the name of the person with whom I supposedly had this discussion? I donrCOt recall who all, but it was only a few months back.
For instance, if you see the city of Damascus totally destroyed in one
night, as described in the Bible, I donrCOt see what else is left
before
the
Tribulation. Plus there is a viable chance that that is the trigger.
Some scholars see the destruction of Damascus as a prophecy which was
fulfilled by the destruction of Damascus by Assyria in the 8th century
BCE. No "time of tribulation" in the modern world needed for any of
it.
Some mistaken ones did, no doubt, but the prophecy never occurred to the
full
discription of it such as to it was fully there when night fell and the
next
morning it was gone, plus it will never be inhabited again was not fulfilled.
So where does the Bible say that Damascus would never be rebuilt, or that it fell over night?
You were given those scriptures before, would there be any difference if
you
heard them again?
When did that supposedly happen?
They were mentioned as you were arguing about them.
As I was arguing about them? You said it had happened *before* that!
ArenrCOt you diametrically opposed to the Bible, what it is
and what it stands for. the Bible is for understanding, not a point of argument.
I'm opposed to people not properly understanding the Bible, which is
true about most Christians.
Interesting, and why would you declare such a thing?
Maybe I wasn't clear enough: Most Christians don't understand the
Bible properly -- that's what I'm opposed to. An example would be
Jesus predicting that his generation would see his return after his
death -- Christians twist that to mean it wasn't the *generation* that
would see it, but he Jewish *race* that would see it.
See how that does violence to Scripture, in the name of conservative exegesis?
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None <none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Would you be so kind as to cite chapter and verse? I don't recall anything about how animals got to other continents. All I recall
regarding the water is that it receded. But no mention of where all
this water, that covered everything, actually receded to.
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a7p68$1kfmq$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35A52981DF2B629555@69.80.102.22>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a58br$sg6h$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D055BCEF7629555@69.80.101.18>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a4nhc$n3jh$4@dont-email.me:
AndThe flood can be determined via the genealogies of the families an occurred something like 25 years after the death of on specific character. The length of the time of day was the same then, as now. Same thing regarding the time when the Hebrews became Israelites.
the multiple prophecies surrounding it. Which BTW, a mass miracle occurred the night before they left. Something I read from a persons comment here just recently in the OT Times.
Everyone who was sick, infringed crippled, old or young with any maladies were healed and they all left Egypt in good health.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
Prove it.
None of
their shoes/sandals or clothing wore out in the 40 years of their wandering.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
Prove it.
Did anyone die? Yes, all those that doubted as well as
those who returned to the old gods of Egypt.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
Prove it.
Where are you getting this stuff from?
From the Bible.
Prove it.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:19:19 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8b57$1nm5t$5@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<kh2fck9ofivv9s9s7r5hnupolh1iv3ls47@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 17:24:02 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
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wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<a04dcklq7pgq5grj9scpiqs00c6gi50g58@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:24:45 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qjt$12pq4$3@dont-email.me>
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On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<0nkcckpiflo6noteugq1artknp6u10c85f@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4qq9$ok2p$1@dont-email.me>
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On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<78kbcktur2nd3o3tkt2dhsbpeln5qnura7@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4etg$krjv$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<19nackp64c7m0g727n3qil1hs4b4dq9tvq@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:22:03 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<gBbxQ.71208$qPGe.58786@fx16.ams4> wrote:
"None" wrote in message news:10a2v2e$5del$5@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and
see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed
by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Exact where? Please be specific.
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but if
you
really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself.
Reason?
You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
No, it is because I do not accept anything in that document
as being true unless the specific item is verified by unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence. So
far only a few physical locations and historical figured
qualify. A very few.
Then nothing you ever say regarding it has credence.
All I ever say is that it lacks verification. If you
disagree state why. In detail, not generalities.
Since you lack the
knowledge of it as well as the understanding/ Also given as the City of
David
has been proven and verifiably so as well as the Temple at shiloh. Then
everything surround it must be true as well.
The City of David is the ancient core of Jerusalem. As I
have stated some physical sites have been verified.
Shiloh has been positively identified with modern Khirbet
Seilun, a tell known in Modern Hebrew as Tel Shiloh. It is
located 31 kilometres (19 mi) north of Jerusalem, in the
West Bank, to the west of the modern Israeli settlement town
of Shilo and to the north of the Palestinian town of Turmus
Ayya. Another physical site that seems verified.
Such as what "around it"? The site alone says nothing about
what may or may not have occurred there.
To keep it simple, the site of the temple at Shiloh as I said before does
have many signs of what had occurred there. That it was a Jewish Temple,
and
their practices were far different that any other religion of its Day.
I am glad to hear that you did do some limited research on these things.
No research is necessary. You are attempting to draw
unwarranted conclusions.
False as I told you or others here what a couple of the indicators were. They
were facts, and not conclusions drawn by me.
So you say but I have yet to see any supporting evidence.
How do I know you are not lying?
What are the "many signs"? What "occurred there"?
And that is just a couple of the
finds.
To do so I would have to re-research it all, to generate a list as I
do
not
keep physical records of what I have learned in the past, as the Lord
consistently gives me new insights none of which conflict with was is
known,
but adds increases in the knowledge and understandings of what went
before.
Given that much of what I post you is not remembered, nor honored
enough
to
be remembered of what value would be all this added info that you are
already
opposed to and discredited even before you see it since is all 'myths'.
Yet you throw out your comment as if it is the answer to everything rather than nothing.
It is all based on personal experiences with God, and that is nothing
that
you can relate to.
Are you going to address this or just continue to ignore it?
Paleo-anthropology purports to gives us "discoveries" that
agree with their a-priori philosophical script, rather than on
true, legitimate science.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:20:40 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
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wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<ri6dckd6ppvql02dtr2qfeia5ucfdnkb4r@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Would you be so kind as to cite chapter and verse? I don't recall anything about how animals got to other continents. All I recall regarding the water is that it receded. But no mention of where all
this water, that covered everything, actually receded to.
Where is your proof of other continents in that day.
Pangea was a supercontinent, a single landmass of nearly all
the Earth's continents, that existed from about 335 to 200
million years ago. Also known as Pangaea, it began to break
apart around 200 million years ago due to tectonic plate
movement, a process called continental drift, which
eventually formed the continents we see today.
There were few civilizations around 200 million years ago.
The Mesopotamian civilization, centered in modern-day Iraq,
is generally considered the earliest civilization, emerging
around 4000 BCE with the Sumerians.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:28:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
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On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<ro2fckl1k7m5v97nk8tlubr1l74p8pefuo@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 16:38:24 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7jlg$1ic7a$7@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<fe4dckpo1q99iqe6l3kgg7bsvejbqt4s21@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:28:04 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qq4$12pq4$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<nvkcck13tmf625ed499cc94eko0tnr5esm@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:07:52 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <scrxQ.23430$7F4e.19459@fx05.ams4> wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI
and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
As years and decades go on, populations
become isolated from those in other parts
of the world.
Irrelevant. There is still a population of unrelated
individuals. BTW, DNA analysis will include the part of the
world your ancestors came from.
BTW, While a few individuals can technically reproduce, a sustainable human population needs a significant number to maintain genetic diversity and long-term health, with
estimates for a healthy, self-sustaining population ranging
from 160 to 500 or more, depending on factors like genetic diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The
50/500 rule, developed for biological populations, suggests
50 individuals are needed to avoid inbreeding and 500 for long-term evolutionary adaptation, a benchmark that can be adjusted for humans with careful genetic management.
Where was there technology 3, 4 or t thousand years ago?
What technology was involved?
This is what you said, hence my question.
My comment was not about technology but about the minimum
number of individuals needed to perpetuate a species.
Stay on the subject.
I did according to your definition of all the things that you stated had to be part of the picture.
I quoted below the pertinent part I asked you specifically where was there technology thousands of years before. You were the one that pointed out that
technology had to be used, I asked where was it,
It was your assumption that technology had to be a part of it, so if you were
correct then you would know what technology was used.
That was simply the method used to determine the minimum
number necessary. That determination was a modern act, not
one made thousands of years in the past.
Genetic analysis was the basic technique, as the quotation
indicated.
If you canrCOt cash the check, then say so.
*************************************
depending on factors like genetic
diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The
50/500 rule, developed for biological populations, *************************************
That is where inbreeding and genetic
diseases come from.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
The same factors as existed with the
children of Adam. At that time there
was genetic purity, no defects.
And the same problems existed, which is an excellent
argument against that legend being a myth.
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35AD393F63BC629555@69.80.102.18>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a7m12$1jtsc$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35A55AD64BD6629555@69.80.101.19>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a5gre$v3bm$3@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20>):
"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:GykxQ.85800$qPGe.18871@fx16.ams4:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:XnsB3594FCA6B02A629555@69.80.101.12...
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries"
into Google AI and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to
answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological
discoveries", followed by the Google AI
response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any
specific paleo-anthropological discovery that
shows that they have enlightened us about any
thing.....in your own words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the
stories that they told us that have deceived
the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not
realizinng that you have been~woefully
deceived~along with all the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily
deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their
""discoveries"" have been built upon the
scientific method..rather than upon their
fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be
traced back to Africa, which is where the first
modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden
of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of
four rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
That is where inbreeding and genetic
diseases come from.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
They were only about five or so generations from Adam. Each had
wives from other people they would be 1st or 2nd cousins and
third cousins of todays time are considered pretty free from
any issues.
Their descendants have been traced around the world. Meaning
the known world of their days.
So Noah's family is the source of all
genetic diseases we have today. Dwarfism,
autims, Spina Bifida, cleft palates,
Sickle cell, Alzheimers.
That is all because of Lucifer.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Look it up.
None of those maladies was noted in
his children.
So where did they come from,
according to the Bible?
Why would God choose such a sickly
family to reproduce all mankind?
Show where they were sickly especially given that they built the
Ark, and took care of all its occupants and then released them all,
appropriately.
If all these genetic disease weren't
present in Noah's family then where did they
come from?
I have given you RL American truths from the thirties that explained
how this happens from sinful actions. Long time ago, there is no
reason to repeat that circle when it never sunk in. Shame that.
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35ACFA61F689629555@69.80.101.16>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a7p68$1kfmq$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wroteAnd
(Message-ID: <XnsB35A52981DF2B629555@69.80.102.22>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a58br$sg6h$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D055BCEF7629555@69.80.101.18>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in
news:10a4nhc$n3jh$4@dont-email.me:
The flood can be determined via the genealogies of the families
an occurred something like 25 years after the death of on
specific character. The length of the time of day was the same
then, as now. Same thing regarding the time when the Hebrews
became Israelites.
the multiple prophecies surrounding it. Which BTW, a mass
miracle occurred the night before they left. Something I read
from a persons comment here just recently in the OT Times.
Everyone who was sick, infringed crippled, old or young with
any maladies were healed and they all left Egypt in good
health.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
None of
their shoes/sandals or clothing wore out in the 40 years of
their wandering.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
Did anyone die? Yes, all those that doubted as well as
those who returned to the old gods of Egypt.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
Where are you getting this stuff from?
From the Bible.
Prove it.
You have already read the Bible enough times to notice it.
Even Google should be aware of it.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 13:33:49 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:
[...]
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
They were only about five or so generations from Adam. Each had wives
from other people they would be 1st or 2nd cousins and third cousins
of todays time are considered pretty free from any issues.
Their descendants have been traced around the world. Meaning the known
world of their days.
So Noah's family is the source of all
genetic diseases we have today. Dwarfism,
autims, Spina Bifida, cleft palates,
Sickle cell, Alzheimers.
Why would God choose such a sickly
family to reproduce all mankind?
Very limited options. The Bible claims Noah was the only good and
decent person on the whole planet (that's not how it's worded, but I
hope I made my point). If the only candidate, and his family, have a
lot of genetic issues, you have to go with them.
But, then, why wouldn't a god with such power just heal them? If
these people are worthy of being saved from the destruction of nearly
all life on the planet, why wouldn't this deity cure them of the
genetic issues they have?
On 9/13/2025 9:35 PM, jojo wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 9/13/2025 2:09 PM, jojo wrote:
jojo wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 9/12/2025 11:34 PM, jojo wrote:
None wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, jojo wrote
(Message-ID:<7eda1708-
e6d3-9729-9571-07b6d26f6447@shinku.aoyagi.konjou>):
None wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, jojo wrote
(Message-ID:<06a0238b-feb9-9555-
dd59-2b9bffd6e3a0@shinku.aoyagi.konjou>):
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 9/12/2025 11:43 AM, jojo wrote:
None wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wroteyou mean zombie jesus?
(Message-ID: <10a1e6t$3jm3q$2@dont-email.me>):
On 9/12/2025 7:45 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
None <none@none.non>-a wrote in
news:10a081v$366mu$1@dont-email.me:
On Sep 11, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID:
<XnsB357D0FDF75C7629555@69.80.101.22>):
None <none@none.non>-a wrote in
news:109vbc8$2tbin$1@dont-email.me:
On Sep 11, 2025, Mitchell Holman wroteWhy 6,000?
(Message-ID:
<XnsB357816A7A273629555@69.80.102.22>):
"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:rKAwQ.12261$7F4e.8283@fx05.ams4:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in messageAnd you are a "complete loss of words" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to tell us the age of the earth, or even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us your opinion of it.
news:109tfa4$29gbi$1@dont-email.me... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To sum-up, paleoanthropology is a valid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> science, because,In spite of all that you say above, it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noted that
1) Major universities exist which offer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doctoral
degrees in
paleoanthropology.
2) The US National Academy of Sciences has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admitted
paleoanthropologists to its ranks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
3) Peer-reviewed research journals exist for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paleoanthropology.
4) Few, if any, scientists dispute the fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
paleoanthropology is a valid science. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
you are at a complete loss of words when I ask >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to tell us about any specific
paleo-anthropological
discovery that shows that they have enlightened >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us about ~anything~...in your own words. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The earth as you know it was not until it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called
earth on the
3rd day of this realm. The planets stars, etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were not
until the
4th day of this realm. All this occurred >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around 6,000
years ago. In
literal time, not figurative nor theoretical. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How do you determine that date?
What date? I mentioned time approximate.
OK, "time approximate"
Why 6000 years?
What happened then?
And are their so called ""discoveries"" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built upon
scientific method, or are they built upon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fantasy?
Those who want the truth do not accept >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stories that
are built upon fantasy.
Modern Christian: Someone who believes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in dragons, unicorns, talking snakes and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transmutation (all mentioned in the Bible) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but accuses those citing scientific data >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "indulging in fantasies".
Then I do not fit your daffynition.
Scientific data only recounts what is reversed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engineered, and from
that understanding, some try to create
variations based
on the same
things that always existed in the time of man, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reshape,
and reuse,
and most generally it all contaminates the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth and its
environment.
What other data is there to
measure time but scientific data?
The universe expands at a known
rate, the continents move at a
known rate, starlight reaches our
eyes at a known rate. If those
known rates are wrong what rates
are right?
If the continents moved at a known rate then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there would be no
earthquakes. All volcanos would erupt and known >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cycles and
explosive
rates.
If such massive errors are made then what
credibility does
the rest of
your statement have.
Science has recently recognized another light >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form, one
that was
spoken of near 5,000 years ago + or - and they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have yet to
determine
its parameters.
Where was this "spoken of" 5000 years ago?
Oh, the memories of my fundamentalist Christian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> childhood! Of
course,
my childhood occurred back in the 1980s, which, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someday, may
become
known as the end of the "Information Dark Ages". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dawn
Or more likely the beginning of the end of this age. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
LOL!
Yeah, Jesus' "imminent return" has been predicted for >>>>>>>>>>>> quite some
time now!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Predictions_and_claims_for_the_Second_Coming
Given the Second Law of Thermodynamics and the fact
that Jesus'
remains are in a highly advanced state of
decomposition, I think
that his "return" is quite unlikely!!
Dawn
during the cricifiction, the trauma turned jesus into
deadpool,
that is the most logical conclusion, he is an x-man..
x-person.
Which the event was prophesied of around 1,000 years
before that.
Through Daniel, Isaiah, King David and others in the
OT, but not your
conclusion and mockery.
lol btw have you seen the movies? i highly recommend!
Nope.
oh damn you are missing out!! here, i will point them out:
deadpool - 2016
deadpool 2 - 2018
if you want, i can send you the torrent links.
Illegal downloads of copyrighted movies?!-a (Shame, shame!!
Just get a free month of Netflix, Hulu or whatever!)
i have from day 1 been raised on piracy, i dont even think
about it actually! i dont have money to spend like that,
streams.
btw you have seen the movies right?
No, sorry.
what is going on here?? dawn you have to watch them, there is a
lot of gore, so watch the uncensored versions.
No way!-a I need sappy romance with lots of crying.
Dawn
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a9ddl$21cji$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35ACFA61F689629555@69.80.101.16>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a7p68$1kfmq$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35A52981DF2B629555@69.80.102.22>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a58br$sg6h$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D055BCEF7629555@69.80.101.18>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in
news:10a4nhc$n3jh$4@dont-email.me:
AndThe flood can be determined via the genealogies of the families
an occurred something like 25 years after the death of on
specific character. The length of the time of day was the same then, as now. Same thing regarding the time when the Hebrews
became Israelites.
the multiple prophecies surrounding it. Which BTW, a mass
miracle occurred the night before they left. Something I read
from a persons comment here just recently in the OT Times.
Everyone who was sick, infringed crippled, old or young with
any maladies were healed and they all left Egypt in good
health.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
Prove it.
None of
their shoes/sandals or clothing wore out in the 40 years of
their wandering.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
Prove it.
Did anyone die? Yes, all those that doubted as well as
those who returned to the old gods of Egypt.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
Prove it.
Where are you getting this stuff from?
From the Bible.
Prove it.
You have already read the Bible enough times to notice it.
Even Google should be aware of it.
It is not my job to research
the Bible for proof of your claims.
You claim it, you prove it.
On Sep 12, 2025, None wrote
(Message-ID: <10a2usm$5del$4@dont-email.me>):
On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/12/2025 3:47 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:109vgq9$2vl7u$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back to Africa, which >>> is where the first modern humans arose.
That is a total rewrite of Human history, migratory patterns, etc, even DNA >> disproves that thinking. And so does the DNA and genomes of chimps and
humans.
Off topic for this thread and denoted why in the subject.
We have all been conned. Using scientific explanations to support the con.
Just read this as it was part of an article.
"Cosimo Posth, an archaeogenetics expert at the University of T|+bingen, in Germany, and colleagues described the genomes of ten different individuals who lived in three key regions: SiberiarCOs Altai Mountains, the Kamchatka Peninsula and other parts of the Russian Far East. Environmental conditionsrCocold climates at high latitudesrCoallowed for optimal preservation of DNA that was hundreds to thousands of years old. rCLIn these environments you can find individuals with 70 to 80 percent of human DNA in their bones, comparable to what yourCOd get if you extracted saliva from you or me,rCY says Posth. rCLYou can actually generate a genome of the same quality as a modern genome. ItrCOs amazing stuff.rCY"
If this be true then the tests are missing 20-30% of the info From saliva tests. So all may not be as it seems. It is only a test of a likelihood a best guess type of thing. Compound that with the spit tests of a husband and wife and that can compound the error significantly and a good statistician will confirm that. Yeah, science is end all be all. Who are ya gonna believe?
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<mhleckd9e9589jo5c8gr02m90faf8iqomq@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<i6gdckt7nhv6t7bfidhn2v6qppdtscvk14@4ax.com>):
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 01:06:13 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id <d1tcckhnl7on9d340hb90lmnl5q97q6pbq@4ax.com> wrote:
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<sgicck9jce13c8ueuush7c3f653oshvi1h@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<po9cckl3011sfgicdvb7apiadshp3afsne@4ax.com>):
LOL! It's amazing that here in the 21st century, supposed grown
adults
believe in 1-week creation and The Flood. Then they try to convince
atheists!
Andrew & Robert, you guys are more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
Science and history support the days of creations.
Okay, I'll bite. I get to deny that, then you cite proof from true,
non-looney science and history sources that supports the 6 day
creation,
and you can make me look like a damn fool. Ready?...
No Rob, that's false. Science and history do not support the Genesis
creation mythology.
Waiting...
So, Robster, where's the beef? My invitation sits unrequited... all you
have to do is prove science & history support creation, like you said
it
does, and I will be all humble and humiliated and everything.
You can do it!
Plant life cannot survive
24 hours without the Sun.
Also false.
Then you are not knowledgeable about plant life and the total absence
of
Light.
Are you a biologist now? Any healthy green plant can survive 24 hours
of darkness. You could conjure up a solar eclipse that long and prove
it!
Excuse me - a solar eclipse only lasts a short time and a
total eclipse can only last minutes.
However there have been numerous occasions when the sun was
blocked for over a day - such as during some volcano
eruptions.
A magic eclipse, like the one in Luke 23, can last for 3 hours.
"44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all
the earth until the ninth hour. 45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst."
Properly translated from greek to todays English it would read "it covered
the landrCY or a "darkness covered the all the landrCY
Irrelevant. The whole earth, or whole land, was dark from noon to 3pm. Now how do you think that happened?
It is not irrelevant, for the whole earth was not darkened.
As to how it happened you can check if you have the smarts from NASArCOs website. You know this from jumping in on a reply to Dawn/
Now you're back to claiming it was a 3 hour eclipse, near the time of a
full moon?
This boy just doesn't know whether he's coming or going.
So you admit it wasn't a solar eclipse. Did the sun turn off? The "firmament" became opaque? No explanation besides "magic"?
Another false troll comment and insertion. Bye
What did I tell you before about posting angry?
Wipe those tears and climb back on your soapbox, double down on the
magic eclipses, and sharpen your apologetics.
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<o2jeck9d001k075d93fpvuslnpvn2kk6da@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<5njcck575u9snon751caietialq248r13j@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<a4acckp5ejjkenl8btsl72b4vaoforq77e@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own
standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be
peers
of
the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
The Bible's peers are established characters like the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, and "Dianetics". They blessed the Holy Scripture and
stamped it with their Impramatur.
Wrong, spoken from total ignorance. Like a chemist peer reviewing astronomy.
Then you tell me, who are the Bible's peers?
Every book in the OT was peer reviewed for over 1,000 years initially by
the
tribe of Levites as well as all the prophets and has been reviewed since
by
the peoples of God.
The peers of the anonymous authors of the OT would be...
more anonymous authors writing reviews. Of course!
The older books of the OT were passed orally for centuries before being written down. None of the OT was written down before the 10th century
BCE at the earliest. Most of it was written during or after the Babylonian exile. The Torah didn't reach its final form until that
time.
Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the
So Moses was a scribe. Doesn't make him the author.
Do you think Moses wrote this?:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:10:30 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8akm$1nm5t$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<o2jeck9d001k075d93fpvuslnpvn2kk6da@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<5njcck575u9snon751caietialq248r13j@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<a4acckp5ejjkenl8btsl72b4vaoforq77e@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own
standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be
peers
of
the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
The Bible's peers are established characters like the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, and "Dianetics". They blessed the Holy Scripture and
stamped it with their Impramatur.
Wrong, spoken from total ignorance. Like a chemist peer reviewing astronomy.
Then you tell me, who are the Bible's peers?
Every book in the OT was peer reviewed for over 1,000 years initially by
the
tribe of Levites as well as all the prophets and has been reviewed since
by
the peoples of God.
The older books of the OT were passed orally for centuries before being written down. None of the OT was written down before the 10th century
BCE at the earliest. Most of it was written during or after the Babylonian exile. The Torah didn't reach its final form until that
time.
Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the
morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
Deu 31:9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons
of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.
This was all done well before the Israelites left the desert land. IOW within
the first 40 years. And Exodus was written in the earlier days.
Moses was well trained and educated so that he could rule in Egypt as part of
the Pharaohs family from the time of his birth.
There is no definitive historical or archaeological evidence
outside the Hebrew Bible to confirm the existence of Moses
as a historical figure. The consensus among biblical
scholars and historians is that Moses is most likely a
legendary or composite figure whose story, along with the
Exodus, is a mythologized account containing kernels of
truth that were exaggerated over time. While some argue that
a Moses-like figure may have existed, the lack of
contemporary corroborating sources makes it impossible to
prove his existence as described in religious texts.
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<0mcfckpmtc468lknqvfmrdevn87irj9ebq@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<o2jeck9d001k075d93fpvuslnpvn2kk6da@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
Then you tell me, who are the Bible's peers?
Every book in the OT was peer reviewed for over 1,000 years initially by
the
tribe of Levites as well as all the prophets and has been reviewed since
by
the peoples of God.
The peers of the anonymous authors of the OT would be...
more anonymous authors writing reviews. Of course!
The older books of the OT were passed orally for centuries before being written down. None of the OT was written down before the 10th century BCE at the earliest. Most of it was written during or after the Babylonian exile. The Torah didn't reach its final form until that time.
Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the
So Moses was a scribe. Doesn't make him the author.
The words of the LORD who obviously authored them
You acting out the job of a troll, care less about your own words than you do
mine. And mine you obviously care nothing about as you poorly attempt to tell
me what I am thinking as well as why.
Time for you to come up with another nym.
Do you think Moses wrote this?:
Deuteronomy 34:5 "So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the
land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord. 6 And he buried him in
a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth
of his sepulchre unto this day."
Did Moses describe his own death and burial?
Notice "unto this day". The author seems to be writing a long, long
time after Moses was laid to rest.
On Sep 14, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote >(Message-ID:<9vvdckl6seuugadm48cnb231coq1kc09ql@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 09:09:13 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
(Message-ID:<jnkdcklebsl03u0iq4a2harh1mlus6emhf@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:23:52 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
(Message-ID:<8ebcck1pfpb7it0366gpp9d1csauc7ciih@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 19:02:27 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
(Message-ID:<ic6cckdv8rbi3h9ft67niro7o61c0tus6g@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 17:01:55 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote: >> > > > > > >
On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
(Message-ID:<v2sbckdhvlboga8cflvphusg6o5qdnte0d@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 14:06:02 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote<snip>
(Message-ID: <10a4c55$jrvu$4@dont-email.me>):
On 9/13/2025 12:26 PM, None wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
Where was this "spoken of" 5000 years ago?
Historically both answers are written in the Bible.
Please do not waste too much of your time on this stuff. Life is
far
too short!
Dawn
This AstuffA ? If you are speaking of the things of God
I think she was saying that they're not things of God to begin with.
then this short
time we have is extremely vital to our eternal futures.
Christians throughout the ages have believed that they lived in the
end times -- from Paul who clearly believed he would be alive and
waiting for Jesus when the world came to an end, to Christians who
believed that 1000 CE portended an end of the world, to the >> > > > > > > > > Millerites
of the 19th century Great Disappointment who calculated that the
world
would end in October 1844 -- so perhaps you shouldn't be so sure that
"time is short.o
We were told to be constantly vigilant and live our lives expected the
suddenly of suddenlies. After all who wants to be caught short like
the
5
virgins left behind.
Well, couldn't they get a second chance?!
If they make it through the initial WWW alive, yes, but from what I Read
that
they must not recant. For many will be beheaded after torture.
And God can't overcome that?
Would you rather operate like a robot without free will. Or should it only
be
the freedom of choice for some people but not all?
So in the parable of the 10 virgins, the virgins who were "caught
short" didn't *want* to go into the wedding feast?
Oh they wanted to alright, but they were too entangled with the affairs of >> > this world to be ready.
When they realized that their relationship with the bridegroom had gone cold
and after asking the others to give them what they needed to enter be ready,
the bridegroom had already come and swept the others away. When the
indifferent ones found out, they came banging on the doors to let them in >> > but
the bridegroom said to them, leave, I never knew you.
So why couldn't they get a second chance when they were banging on the
door? Why couldn't they get a chance to know the bridegroom even
after they'd screwed up the first time around?
They had advance warnings and were indifferent about it. More focused in >self, than in God
You see, the weddings of the Jewish culture was after the couple was
aengagedA the bride was to get ready for marriage, and during the
following year the bridegroom could come at any time and snatch her away, >> > she
was notified in a very short time by his best friends who would blow their >> > horns announcing he was coming, on his way, and then he would suddenly come
and snatch her away, to the place or room that he had built for them at his
fathers house, and there they would dwell for a year, for their honeymoon. >> > Neither worked, for that first year was all their time to know each other..
that is what Jesus has done for his bride as well. The wedding feast was >> > enjoyed by both families for up to a month as they partied and celebrated >> > the
marriage.
Where did you get that from?
Studies on marriage in the Bible.
In those days, God pulls out that which holders back evil for those seven
years. But these things you would never understand as you do not know who
God is.
Cite?
oFor the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now
restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.o (2Th 2:7)
I was really referring to the "seven years" reference. Where did that
come from? And why would God try force people to believe a lie, as
found elsewhere in 2 Thessalonians?
This is in reference to that.
There is so much answers that God holds in his hand, but how are those >> > > > that oppose him going to hear? They canAt, they are not willing and so >> > > > they have not the ears to hear.
Why do you believe that?
That is made most obvious by the atheist, but the same thing is occurring >> > with those that believe there is a God, but they are more interested in the
affairs of this world that they have no time for God, and or they donAt
want him messing with the sins they enjoy. Some are bitter towards him
because he didnAt jump to their commands or demands.
Any examples of this?
Sure, this thread, as well as the attitudes of all atheists.
Yet Jesus gave us the signs, and when they are all
happening at the same time, with an increasing ferocity and the
nations
are
all lined up as specified for a future war of MAJOR proportions. There
is not much left to be fulfilled before Jesus comes in the air.
War, not peace, is the norm for cities and states in ancient times and
even in the modern world. Any "signs" of Jesus' supposed return have
long since occurred, without any end of the world to go with them.
Nope, for a prophecy to be fulfilled all aspects of it must happen. Only
partial aspects that fit near the defined prophecy, will they protected
those
that were aware, were not the actual fulfillment.
Presumably, Isaiah's "prophecy" was written before Damascus was
rebuilt.
You have had that discussion with others about that prophecy, but you >> > > > dismissed the words of the Bible to accept a supposition of man who had
not
the ears to hear what was written.
What was the name of the person with whom I supposedly had this
discussion? I donAt recall who all, but it was only a few months back. >> > >
For instance, if you see the city of Damascus totally destroyed in one
night, as described in the Bible, I donAt see what else is left
before
the
Tribulation. Plus there is a viable chance that that is the trigger.
Some scholars see the destruction of Damascus as a prophecy which was
fulfilled by the destruction of Damascus by Assyria in the 8th century
BCE. No "time of tribulation" in the modern world needed for any of
it.
Some mistaken ones did, no doubt, but the prophecy never occurred to the
full
discription of it such as to it was fully there when night fell and the
next
morning it was gone, plus it will never be inhabited again was not >> > > > > > fulfilled.
So where does the Bible say that Damascus would never be rebuilt, or >> > > > > that it fell over night?
You were given those scriptures before, would there be any difference if
you
heard them again?
When did that supposedly happen?
They were mentioned as you were arguing about them.
As I was arguing about them? You said it had happened *before* that!
Your arguing has been the same for decades. All during that time you were >shown things you totally dismissed, at least publicly.
ArenAt you diametrically opposed to the Bible, what it is
and what it stands for. the Bible is for understanding, not a point of >> > > > argument.
I'm opposed to people not properly understanding the Bible, which is
true about most Christians.
Interesting, and why would you declare such a thing?
Maybe I wasn't clear enough: Most Christians don't understand the
Bible properly -- that's what I'm opposed to. An example would be
Jesus predicting that his generation would see his return after his
death -- Christians twist that to mean it wasn't the *generation* that
would see it, but [t]he Jewish *race* that would see it.
It was spoken to the Jews at that time, and about the definition in use at >that time.
Those who cared to know would find out and learn. Of course, a believer could >just ask God and the spirit of God would lead them to the truth so that they >might see and understand.
See how that does violence to Scripture, in the name of conservative
exegesis?
Speak in plain English please.
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<99lfcktt51al456kcih3352rs0ankitki1@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:19:19 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8b57$1nm5t$5@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<kh2fck9ofivv9s9s7r5hnupolh1iv3ls47@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 17:24:02 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7mb2$1jtsc$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<a04dcklq7pgq5grj9scpiqs00c6gi50g58@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:24:45 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qjt$12pq4$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<0nkcckpiflo6noteugq1artknp6u10c85f@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4qq9$ok2p$1@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<78kbcktur2nd3o3tkt2dhsbpeln5qnura7@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> in >> > > > > > > > > alt.atheism with message-id<10a4etg$krjv$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<19nackp64c7m0g727n3qil1hs4b4dq9tvq@4ax.com>): >> > > > > > > > > >
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:22:03 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<gBbxQ.71208$qPGe.58786@fx16.ams4> wrote:
"None" wrote in message news:10a2v2e$5del$5@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and
see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed
by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Exact where? Please be specific.
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but if
you
really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself.
Reason?
You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
No, it is because I do not accept anything in that document
as being true unless the specific item is verified by
unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence. So
far only a few physical locations and historical figured
qualify. A very few.
Then nothing you ever say regarding it has credence.
All I ever say is that it lacks verification. If you
disagree state why. In detail, not generalities.
Since you lack the
knowledge of it as well as the understanding/ Also given as the City of
David
has been proven and verifiably so as well as the Temple at shiloh. Then
everything surround it must be true as well.
The City of David is the ancient core of Jerusalem. As I
have stated some physical sites have been verified.
Shiloh has been positively identified with modern Khirbet
Seilun, a tell known in Modern Hebrew as Tel Shiloh. It is
located 31 kilometres (19 mi) north of Jerusalem, in the
West Bank, to the west of the modern Israeli settlement town
of Shilo and to the north of the Palestinian town of Turmus
Ayya. Another physical site that seems verified.
Such as what "around it"? The site alone says nothing about
what may or may not have occurred there.
To keep it simple, the site of the temple at Shiloh as I said before does
have many signs of what had occurred there. That it was a Jewish Temple,
and
their practices were far different that any other religion of its Day. >> > > >
I am glad to hear that you did do some limited research on these things.
No research is necessary. You are attempting to draw
unwarranted conclusions.
False as I told you or others here what a couple of the indicators were. >> > They
were facts, and not conclusions drawn by me.
So you say but I have yet to see any supporting evidence.
How do I know you are not lying?
When have you ever believed I was not lying and accepted what I said?
What are the "many signs"? What "occurred there"?
Go yo you tube and look for a video on the Shiloh digs and see for yourself. >Then in the comment section you can argue with them about then not seeing >what they saw.
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<6jlfckdlsqedsfgft1ithgd92s78a92l3f@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:20:40 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8b7n$1nm5t$6@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<ri6dckd6ppvql02dtr2qfeia5ucfdnkb4r@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Would you be so kind as to cite chapter and verse? I don't recall
anything about how animals got to other continents. All I recall
regarding the water is that it receded. But no mention of where all
this water, that covered everything, actually receded to.
Where is your proof of other continents in that day.
Pangea was a supercontinent, a single landmass of nearly all
the Earth's continents, that existed from about 335 to 200
million years ago. Also known as Pangaea, it began to break
apart around 200 million years ago due to tectonic plate
movement, a process called continental drift, which
eventually formed the continents we see today.
There were few civilizations around 200 million years ago.
The Mesopotamian civilization, centered in modern-day Iraq,
is generally considered the earliest civilization, emerging
around 4000 BCE with the Sumerians.
Where is the proof, that story is all suppositions while there is a semblance >of partial truth.
There is no written record of Pangea from that time.
Funny that, yet you
believe what there is not evidence of, not verification, no witnesses of, etc >etc Nothing there meets your self imposed criteria, and no excuse is >sufficient to override your self defined proofs.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 15:33:45 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/14/2025 5:36 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 14:03:29 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Kenito Benito" wrote in message news:e6sack1t54ojl4vns19v1epeicph3nlddi@4ax.com...
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and >>>>>>>>>>>> see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question. >>>>>>>>>>>
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
you know the one thing about that which makes no sense? it makes
us all super inbred.
Something I would like to be explained is why Cain was worried >>>>> someone would kill him for his murder of Abel. Since there was only
Adam, Eve and their children, who were these other people that cause >>>>> Cain to fear them?
Did the God of the Bible create other humans that he placed in >>>>> other areas? He must have. But if the Bible is to be believed, there >>>>> was only Adam and Eve until they left the Garden. Then they had
children.
Maybe some of the kids took off to make their way in the world. >>>>> There is no mention of this, so anyone who accepts the Bible as valid >>>>> would dismiss that as a realistic possibility.
This also will mean all of Adam's and Eve's children had to
procreate with their siblings.
Yes.
The negative results in incestuous offspring is well known.
That wasn't the case back then, because at the beginning there
were no genetic defects to pass on. A&E had perfect genomes.
So God suspended the laws of genetics you must believe he set up? >>> Why would any deity do such a thing, even if for the short term?
No, it's all alien mind control; why don't you understand this??! What
is wrong with you??? Let me repeat myself, except with CAPITAL letters:
NO, IT'S ALL ALIEN MIND CONTROL; WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS??! WHAT
IS WRONG WITH YOU???
Are things clear now for you?
Makes as much sense as Andrew's claim.
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 02:11:26 -0700, Kenito Benito
<Kenito@Benito.naw> in alt.atheism with message-id <41mfckdroagl1u8epr6no7gmn7q95a58p8@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 10:37:12 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 06:25:58 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<i6gdckt7nhv6t7bfidhn2v6qppdtscvk14@4ax.com> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 01:06:13 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<d1tcckhnl7on9d340hb90lmnl5q97q6pbq@4ax.com> wrote:
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<sgicck9jce13c8ueuush7c3f653oshvi1h@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<po9cckl3011sfgicdvb7apiadshp3afsne@4ax.com>):
Science and history support the days of creations.
LOL! It's amazing that here in the 21st century, supposed grown adults
believe in 1-week creation and The Flood. Then they try to convince >>>>>>>>>> atheists!
Andrew & Robert, you guys are more fun than a barrel of monkeys. >>>>>>>>>
Okay, I'll bite. I get to deny that, then you cite proof from true, >>>>>>>> non-looney science and history sources that supports the 6 day creation,
and you can make me look like a damn fool. Ready?...
No Rob, that's false. Science and history do not support the Genesis >>>>>>>> creation mythology.
Waiting...
So, Robster, where's the beef? My invitation sits unrequited... all you >>>>>> have to do is prove science & history support creation, like you said it >>>>>> does, and I will be all humble and humiliated and everything.
You can do it!
Plant life cannot survive
24 hours without the Sun.
Also false.
Then you are not knowledgeable about plant life and the total absence of
Light.
Are you a biologist now? Any healthy green plant can survive 24 hours >>>>>> of darkness. You could conjure up a solar eclipse that long and prove >>>>>> it!
Excuse me - a solar eclipse only lasts a short time and a
total eclipse can only last minutes.
However there have been numerous occasions when the sun was
blocked for over a day - such as during some volcano
eruptions.
A magic eclipse, like the one in Luke 23, can last for 3 hours.
There is no limit on a magic anything.
"44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all >>>> the earth until the ninth hour. 45 And the sun was darkened, and the
veil of the temple was rent in the midst."
Not only that, the magic eclipse happened at the time of a full moon.
If you can do magic, reality is optional.
Much like supporting evidence is "everything" or "the
universe"
Personally I think the universe complete with history,
population, and memories came into existence fifteen seconds
ago.
HEATHEN! You know it was only 14 seconds ago, and created from
the gaseous emissions of the Invisible Pink Unicorn shortly after a
morally questionable encounter with a mare going by the name of
Chucky.
Do I need to order Fang to get "The Comfy Chair?" You will be
required stay in the chair until lunch time, with only a cup of coffee
at 11:00.
Nope. It was 15 seconds ago complete with the Pink Unicorn,
Chunky, and Fang.
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<nrlfckhr0fngnak3qop4maf3s17k2it2d3@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:28:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8blh$1nm5t$7@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<ro2fckl1k7m5v97nk8tlubr1l74p8pefuo@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 16:38:24 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7jlg$1ic7a$7@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<fe4dckpo1q99iqe6l3kgg7bsvejbqt4s21@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:28:04 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qq4$12pq4$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<nvkcck13tmf625ed499cc94eko0tnr5esm@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:07:52 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<scrxQ.23430$7F4e.19459@fx05.ams4> wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI
and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
As years and decades go on, populations
become isolated from those in other parts
of the world.
Irrelevant. There is still a population of unrelated
individuals. BTW, DNA analysis will include the part of the
world your ancestors came from.
BTW, While a few individuals can technically reproduce, a
sustainable human population needs a significant number to
maintain genetic diversity and long-term health, with
estimates for a healthy, self-sustaining population ranging
from 160 to 500 or more, depending on factors like genetic
diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The
50/500 rule, developed for biological populations, suggests
50 individuals are needed to avoid inbreeding and 500 for
long-term evolutionary adaptation, a benchmark that can be
adjusted for humans with careful genetic management.
Where was there technology 3, 4 or t thousand years ago?
What technology was involved?
This is what you said, hence my question.
My comment was not about technology but about the minimum
number of individuals needed to perpetuate a species.
Stay on the subject.
I did according to your definition of all the things that you stated had to
be part of the picture.
I quoted below the pertinent part I asked you specifically where was there >> > technology thousands of years before. You were the one that pointed out that
technology had to be used, I asked where was it,
It was your assumption that technology had to be a part of it, so if you >> > were
correct then you would know what technology was used.
That was simply the method used to determine the minimum
number necessary. That determination was a modern act, not
one made thousands of years in the past.
Genetic analysis was the basic technique, as the quotation
indicated.
Then why make the rule of. Definition that cannot stand the depth of time?
Why make such blanket statements and then argue to support them without >thinking and rationalizing the real situations? But thanks for actually >thinking about it.
If you canAt cash the check, then say so.
*************************************
depending on factors like genetic
diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The
50/500 rule, developed for biological populations,
*************************************
That is where inbreeding and genetic
diseases come from.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
The same factors as existed with the
children of Adam. At that time there
was genetic purity, no defects.
And the same problems existed, which is an excellent
argument against that legend being a myth.
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 9/13/2025 9:35 PM, jojo wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 9/13/2025 2:09 PM, jojo wrote:
jojo wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 9/12/2025 11:34 PM, jojo wrote:
None wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, jojo wrote
(Message-ID:<7eda1708-
e6d3-9729-9571-07b6d26f6447@shinku.aoyagi.konjou>):
None wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, jojo wrote
(Message-ID:<06a0238b-feb9-9555-
dd59-2b9bffd6e3a0@shinku.aoyagi.konjou>):
Dawn Flood wrote:Which the event was prophesied of around 1,000 years before >>>>>>>>>>> that.
On 9/12/2025 11:43 AM, jojo wrote:
None wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wroteyou mean zombie jesus?
(Message-ID: <10a1e6t$3jm3q$2@dont-email.me>):
On 9/12/2025 7:45 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
None <none@none.non>-a wrote in
news:10a081v$366mu$1@dont-email.me:
On Sep 11, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB357D0FDF75C7629555@69.80.101.22>): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
None <none@none.non>-a wrote in
news:109vbc8$2tbin$1@dont-email.me:
On Sep 11, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID: <XnsB357816A7A273629555@69.80.102.22>): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why 6,000?
"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:rKAwQ.12261$7F4e.8283@fx05.ams4: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Dawn Flood" wrote in messageAnd you are a "complete loss of words" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to tell us the age of the earth, or even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us your opinion of it.
news:109tfa4$29gbi$1@dont-email.me... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To sum-up, paleoanthropology is a valid science, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because,In spite of all that you say above, it is noted that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are at a complete loss of words when I ask >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to tell us about any specific paleo- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anthropological
1) Major universities exist which offer doctoral >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degrees in
paleoanthropology.
2) The US National Academy of Sciences has admitted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paleoanthropologists to its ranks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
3) Peer-reviewed research journals exist for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paleoanthropology.
4) Few, if any, scientists dispute the fact that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paleoanthropology is a valid science. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
discovery that shows that they have enlightened >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us about ~anything~...in your own words. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The earth as you know it was not until it was called >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth on the
3rd day of this realm. The planets stars, etc were not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until the
4th day of this realm. All this occurred around 6,000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years ago. In
literal time, not figurative nor theoretical. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How do you determine that date?
What date? I mentioned time approximate.
OK, "time approximate"
Why 6000 years?
What happened then?
And are their so called ""discoveries"" built upon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientific method, or are they built upon fantasy? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Those who want the truth do not accept stories that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are built upon fantasy.
Modern Christian: Someone who believes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in dragons, unicorns, talking snakes and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transmutation (all mentioned in the Bible) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but accuses those citing scientific data >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "indulging in fantasies".
Then I do not fit your daffynition.
Scientific data only recounts what is reversed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engineered, and from
that understanding, some try to create variations based >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the same
things that always existed in the time of man, reshape, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and reuse,
and most generally it all contaminates the earth and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its
environment.
What other data is there to
measure time but scientific data?
The universe expands at a known
rate, the continents move at a
known rate, starlight reaches our
eyes at a known rate. If those
known rates are wrong what rates
are right?
If the continents moved at a known rate then there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be no
earthquakes. All volcanos would erupt and known cycles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
explosive
rates.
If such massive errors are made then what credibility >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
the rest of
your statement have.
Science has recently recognized another light form, one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that was
spoken of near 5,000 years ago + or - and they have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet to
determine
its parameters.
Where was this "spoken of" 5000 years ago?
Oh, the memories of my fundamentalist Christian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> childhood! Of
course,
my childhood occurred back in the 1980s, which, someday, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
become
known as the end of the "Information Dark Ages". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dawn
Or more likely the beginning of the end of this age. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
LOL!
Yeah, Jesus' "imminent return" has been predicted for quite >>>>>>>>>>>>> some
time now!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Predictions_and_claims_for_the_Second_Coming
Given the Second Law of Thermodynamics and the fact that >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus'
remains are in a highly advanced state of decomposition, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> think
that his "return" is quite unlikely!!
Dawn
during the cricifiction, the trauma turned jesus into deadpool, >>>>>>>>>>>> that is the most logical conclusion, he is an x-man.. x-person. >>>>>>>>>>>
Through Daniel, Isaiah, King David and others in the OT, but >>>>>>>>>>> not your
conclusion and mockery.
lol btw have you seen the movies? i highly recommend!
Nope.
oh damn you are missing out!! here, i will point them out:
deadpool - 2016
deadpool 2 - 2018
if you want, i can send you the torrent links.
Illegal downloads of copyrighted movies?!-a (Shame, shame!! Just >>>>>>> get a free month of Netflix, Hulu or whatever!)
i have from day 1 been raised on piracy, i dont even think about
it actually! i dont have money to spend like that, streams.
btw you have seen the movies right?
No, sorry.
what is going on here?? dawn you have to watch them, there is a lot
of gore, so watch the uncensored versions.
No way!-a I need sappy romance with lots of crying.
Dawn
how does the crying help??
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 22:52:32 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a89j0$1nm5t$1@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<de5fckpklde4uftuipcaunkgo5imopqso4@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 12:35:26 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a75dt$1fga8$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3blcck577s2bdnm06atb58v148ubl7o0nf@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:25:59 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4r1n$ok2p$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 19:26:11 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed
by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Not an answer. Be specific.
Do you really lack the power of reason?
Do you lack the power of comprehension? Do you know what
peer review is?
I asked you that.
Peer review is a critical quality control process in which a
scholarly work, such as a research paper, is evaluated by
experts in the same field (peers) before publication to
ensure its validity, originality, and methodological
soundness.
You claim such a review was done on your bible. Where is
this documented and who did it?
Remember, a peer review is entirely separate from the
document being reviewed
and cannot be done by anyone who
contributed to the document in any way.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be
peers
of the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
As usual your so-called "evidence" requires a belief in your
silly superstition to be accepted.
I answered the question of peer review, I also gave and example of it, that
meets the requirements ofrCLpeerrCY review. Something that you all say that
you understand what it means as well as the process thereof, yet cannot fathom what it is
Here is definition, in other words, of peer review within believers community, from the Bible.
And there you go. First you must be a believer.
To judge a believer and be a peer, then? - - - -
It is the document and what it states that is being
reviewed. This cannot be done by anyone who accepts it as
being true before the review occurs.
Analysis by a non-believer is not allowed.
To a very limited sense when speaking of the scriptures. For that reason I use the word ignorance, not as a slight but of position.
You would invalidate the entire procedure, which by
definition must exclude believers.
rCLLet two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.rCY (1Co 14:29)
Something that many religious rCychristiansrCO cannot accept of believe as
they seek the preeminence amongst men.
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<8dmfck914t4ba7mqr5l761tk4f1siepsk1@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:10:30 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8akm$1nm5t$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<o2jeck9d001k075d93fpvuslnpvn2kk6da@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<5njcck575u9snon751caietialq248r13j@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<a4acckp5ejjkenl8btsl72b4vaoforq77e@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wroteThe Bible's peers are established characters like the Quran, the >> > > > > > > Bhagavad Gita, and "Dianetics". They blessed the Holy Scripture and
(Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in >> > > > > > > > > alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>): >> > > > > > > > > >
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own
standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be
peers
of
the respective fields in order to understand what was written. >> > > > > > >
stamped it with their Impramatur.
Wrong, spoken from total ignorance. Like a chemist peer reviewing >> > > > > > astronomy.
Then you tell me, who are the Bible's peers?
Every book in the OT was peer reviewed for over 1,000 years initially by
the
tribe of Levites as well as all the prophets and has been reviewed since
by
the peoples of God.
The older books of the OT were passed orally for centuries before being >> > > written down. None of the OT was written down before the 10th century
BCE at the earliest. Most of it was written during or after the
Babylonian exile. The Torah didn't reach its final form until that
time.
Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the
morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according
to the twelve tribes of Israel.
Deu 31:9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the >> > sons
of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the >> > elders of Israel.
This was all done well before the Israelites left the desert land. IOW
within
the first 40 years. And Exodus was written in the earlier days.
Moses was well trained and educated so that he could rule in Egypt as part >> > of
the Pharaohs family from the time of his birth.
There is no definitive historical or archaeological evidence
outside the Hebrew Bible to confirm the existence of Moses
as a historical figure. The consensus among biblical
scholars and historians is that Moses is most likely a
legendary or composite figure whose story, along with the
Exodus, is a mythologized account containing kernels of
truth that were exaggerated over time. While some argue that
a Moses-like figure may have existed, the lack of
contemporary corroborating sources makes it impossible to
prove his existence as described in religious texts.
Funny that, why do you reference people who do not meet your defined >statements of what it takes to prove something is real and viable,
yet you
use them as your evidential support that justifies your belief system?
And
you cannot see your hypocrisy therein?
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 22:55:21 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a89o9$1nm5t$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<685fck1h6qr3ppe8ej62qmfjahuu15vn1k@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 12:26:46 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a74tm$1fga8$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3hlcckpumijgmp4esaishu8bt7vkpul6uc@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:47:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a5hce$v3bm$5@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<a4acckp5ejjkenl8btsl72b4vaoforq77e@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own
standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be
peers
of
the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
The Bible's peers are established characters like the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, and "Dianetics". They blessed the Holy Scripture and
stamped it with their Impramatur.
Wrong, spoken from total ignorance. Like a chemist peer reviewing astronomy.
Why not get a least some rudimentary training about these things, the
similarities and the differences, and I am not speaking of a shallow
understanding either.
Who knew the bible was brought to you by pagans?
the Holy Bible was brought to man by the Holy Spirit of God, as spoken
to
man.
He will interpret it to those who believe in Jesus Christ.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.
Look up the definitions of god. What was considered to be god/gods. In the
old time. Not some abbreviated definition that opposes a Supreme Being. For instance
Drugs are a god to the druggie
Booze is the god of the alcoholic.
Sex is the god to the sexually depraved, etc.
Money is a god to those that are in love with money and seeks great wealth
Fast Cars, exclusive cars, etc, are a god to those who are driven to the
biggest baddest, or the most elegant, etc.
Judges and Rulers are a god to those who come before them.
Bullies are a god to be feared by the weak.
While these things are not intrinsically bad, or evil, when they are the
master of ones life it becomes a god to them. Same with good luck charms,
amulets, lucky pennies that some always carry with them.
Satan the god of this world everyone grew up with and he is the originator
of
bad or evil thoughts and actions, he is the father/motivator of all lies.
And
part of his tool pouch is the use of all the things I listed and yet there
is
far more. Like those that seek Power.
These things are norm to all men. Yet few rCysee; them as they are and often
wonder why they behave certain ways as certain times. Yet they themselves
determine themselves to be the god of their life, like the guy that proudly
sang, rCLI did it my wayrCY. Even some religious people think that and that
they can earn a spot in heaven. That will never happen.
I am talking about a god as asserted by individuals here. A
supernatural magic being that can do all sorts of stuff.
Yet when I speak of a god, not God you do not know the difference and cannot
understand. So you assume.
How did you pick one god from all of the thousands of
others? What ws your basis for that choice?
Why should a capital letter make a difference?
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 12:46:13 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<8j6dckd2rqf5uj6jdh6g3lmuci8cu8g0c4@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 19:26:11 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
Since when?
Since always from, the beginning until now.
Your lying isn't helping.
There is nothing peer reviewed that supports the Garden of Eden
ever existed. The same with humans being created there. To be fair,
I'm not aware of anything that actually refutes it, either.
the Bible speaks specifically of the original location of it. Persians are proud of the fact that they dwell near where it was.
Don't tell Andrew. He insists it's in Africa.
I am not speaking of
those that became Muslims, most of them by force, as many still hold to their old religion.
Islam teaches the Garden of Eden existed. It's just as fictional.
Are there some things that are believed by Faith? Yes, and that faith is given by God, and when people believe upon God and now him experientially and
then know the reality of Him it becomes clear to them with a reality that cannot be denied. The physical reality/evidence of this was brought clearly to men of old with the contest between the prophets of BAAL and the Prophet of God Elijah.
So you're falling on the "You can't know until you believe!"
tripe. Surely you understand that NEVER works.
Did you know the Quran has the same stories? So you MUST accept
Islam as the only TRUE religion. You've not allowed yourself any other choice.
BTW, it is sure to be just as fictional as all other religions.
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<64kcckddt1a89o3eqr9ru08c5cssmato7f@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<d5ccck5mfmrh55r21j81sqrujjun5idqv2@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<415ackd3pmqn6hhtfgtifth1hqhrfn5ogg@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote (Message-ID:<10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me>):
(snip)
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back to Africa,
which is where the first modern humans arose.
That is a total rewrite of Human history, migratory patterns, etc,
even DNA
disproves that thinking. And so does the DNA and genomes of chimps and
humans.
You are confusing Bible mythology with human history. The Bible is not
a history book.
Your assumptions does not truth make. Assumptions of this sort are based
on ignorance whether willful or or simple lack of knowledge.
You didn't know there's a huge body of recorded knowledge that's not based on the bible at all? Much of it is personal eyewitness info from
persons of known identity, unlike the bible. That's not assumptions, Mr.
Assumer.
The subject you were replying about was the Bible which you called a mythology out of sheer ignorance.
No, the subject was human origins. You tried to pass of biblical mythology as historic fact, which it isn't.
Go back and read what you wrote, no history book is fact. It is a historical
record which may or not be proven to be a reality, or factual. I did not declare it to be fact. But a peer reviewed book which encompasses many things. The problem here is that you cannot have a discussion without shade.
You cannot think about this type of a conversation without prejudice, and that is especially noted when you have not read the entire Bible, even for pleasure. You are unfamiliar with it, its authors, it concepts as you do not
know anything about it directly.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Other than "you're biased
and I'm not", you are vague and rambling.
Is there something concrete that you're disagreeing with?
As an aside, I just finished reading an article here; https://getpocket.com/explore/item/physics-is-pointing-inexorably-to-mind Titled: Physics Is Pointing Inexorably to Mind
What I found so interesting was all of his educational experience combined with research and he came up with an understanding I had realized by the 7th
grade.Yet he missed the deep realities of it, but came close. I donrCOt know
it you can read it and understand it, but it curiosity gets the better of it, take a read.
"Math is real but matter is not." A vague philosophical essay. And...?
Thank you for admitting the bible doesn't coincide with known history. That's exactly what I was trying to convince you of.
That was pure ignorant troll speak.
"Troll" meaning you've long ago run out of apologisms.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 15:47:30 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7gm2$1ic7a$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3klcck123b2m3s7pf740oj6um3tuh1n0ss@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 22:15:23 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5j1b$v3bm$6@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<d5ccck5mfmrh55r21j81sqrujjun5idqv2@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<415ackd3pmqn6hhtfgtifth1hqhrfn5ogg@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote (Message-ID:<10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me>):
(snip)
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back to Africa,
which
is where the first modern humans arose.
That is a total rewrite of Human history, migratory patterns, etc,
even
DNA
disproves that thinking. And so does the DNA and genomes of chimps and
humans.
You are confusing Bible mythology with human history. The Bible is not
a history book.
Your assumptions does not truth make. Assumptions of this sort are based
on ignorance whether willful or or simple lack of knowledge.
You didn't know there's a huge body of recorded knowledge that's not based on the bible at all? Much of it is personal eyewitness info from
persons of known identity, unlike the bible. That's not assumptions, Mr.
Assumer.
The subject you were replying about was the Bible which you called a mythology out of sheer ignorance.
Where is it verified by unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible evidence?
I think you are speaking on another topic. The evidence of his subject is at
the beginning of his post here.
No. The only parts of the bible that have been verified are
a few physical locations and the existence of a few
historical figures.
Nothing about what happened or what anyone did.
Then you wandered off, shifting the goal posts with yet more assumptions.
And that body of knowledge has few points of agreement with the bible.
Why would it? You really need to go to school and learn about history, and
historians.
History and historians look for unambiguous, unrelated,
verifiable and credible evidence to support their findings.
LOL, then a full 98% + of historical records do not meet your requirements.
Those accepted by historians do.
Which BTW the resulting product of that is that you have no historical records to bank on.<snipped? The balance as it had nothing of do with your comment.
There are historical documents in many places.
None wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, None wrote
(Message-ID: <10a2usm$5del$4@dont-email.me>):
On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/12/2025 3:47 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:109vgq9$2vl7u$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back to Africa, which
is where the first modern humans arose.
That is a total rewrite of Human history, migratory patterns, etc, even DNA
disproves that thinking. And so does the DNA and genomes of chimps and humans.
Off topic for this thread and denoted why in the subject.
We have all been conned. Using scientific explanations to support the con.
Just read this as it was part of an article.
"Cosimo Posth, an archaeogenetics expert at the University of T|+bingen, in Germany, and colleagues described the genomes of ten different individuals who lived in three key regions: SiberiarCOs Altai Mountains, the Kamchatka Peninsula and other parts of the Russian Far East. Environmental conditionsrCocold climates at high latitudesrCoallowed for optimal preservation of DNA that was hundreds to thousands of years old. rCLIn these
environments you can find individuals with 70 to 80 percent of human DNA in their bones, comparable to what yourCOd get if you extracted saliva from you
or me,rCY says Posth. rCLYou can actually generate a genome of the same quality as a modern genome. ItrCOs amazing stuff.rCY"
If this be true then the tests are missing 20-30% of the info From saliva tests. So all may not be as it seems. It is only a test of a likelihood a best guess type of thing. Compound that with the spit tests of a husband and
wife and that can compound the error significantly and a good statistician will confirm that. Yeah, science is end all be all. Who are ya gonna believe?
you can give another fluid, that is whiteish. that's 100%..
actually you have meiosis there, so there would be slight genetic
variation. anyway, i think 100% dna can be gatehered from spit.
On 9/14/2025 5:59 PM, None wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<cqlccklkgrm1r4eu1jujdov335cf5tevuv@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 19:15:56 -0500, Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <10a51fs$r2fg$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 9/13/2025 3:22 PM, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 13:06:58 -0500, Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <10a4bs2$jrvu$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 9/13/2025 8:24 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 13:47:54 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:109vgq9$2vl7u$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
Like the story about how the world and everything on it was created in six days?
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
Sounds like any religion you care to name.
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Your use of projection amuses me. I do hope you will continue.
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
Read any peer review journal about paleo-anthropology.
Can't tell us? Yet you believe anyway. This makes you
"a believer".
It's easy to believe that which has actual evidence to support it.
Those who want the *truth* do not accept stories that
are built upon fantasy. However the gullible masses
readily accept them. Like our friend Dawn, and some
others here.
Dawn has openly admitted she is NOT a Christian, so your claim fails. But continue to claim she is one, if you need to. I would be
very surprised if her life is altered in any way as a result of your
delusion(s).
My life has been altered. Originally, I thought that craziness only existed in mass shooters, politicians and at least some of those who are
(or were) married!
Dawn
If you *actually* believe this life is merely a short
prelude to the one to come and if you *actually* believe
that one form of magic will enable you to live it in bliss
and another, slightly different form will cast you into
eternal fire, then anyone pushing the wrong magic is the
worst imaginable kind of criminal, far worse than a mere
murderer.
Welcome to an entirely different universe of craziness.
Explains a lot of the history of Western Civilization! Scary thing about Christian nationalism is that if & when they stop fighting with Us
that they will start fighting with each other!
I am amused by how they say there are dangerous in every
religion - except their own.
You read but do not see, nor comprehend. I have said multiple times, perhaps
100rCOs that I follow no religion, am not part of a religion, as well as none
of you even know the definition of it.
Yet you never seek the truth of the matter.
Sorry, but what you're saying is just nuts.
Dawn
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 18:39:56 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <L7KxQ.28324$7F4e.18964@fx05.ams4> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:10a7jgl$1jevo$1@dont-email.me...
Sorry, but what you're saying is just nuts.
"Those who are unspiritual donrCOt accept the
things from GodrCOs Spirit. They are foolishness
to them and canrCOt be understood, because they
can only be comprehended in a spiritual way."
1 Corinthians 2:14
I have yet to see any evidence that supports anything
spiritual being real. Therefore I consider the subject
imaginary.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 15:59:32 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7hck$1ic7a$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<cqlccklkgrm1r4eu1jujdov335cf5tevuv@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 19:15:56 -0500, Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <10a51fs$r2fg$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 9/13/2025 3:22 PM, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 13:06:58 -0500, Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <10a4bs2$jrvu$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 9/13/2025 8:24 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 13:47:54 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:109vgq9$2vl7u$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
Like the story about how the world and everything on it was created in six days?
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
Sounds like any religion you care to name.
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Your use of projection amuses me. I do hope you will continue.
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
Read any peer review journal about paleo-anthropology.
Can't tell us? Yet you believe anyway. This makes you
"a believer".
It's easy to believe that which has actual evidence to support it.
Those who want the *truth* do not accept stories that
are built upon fantasy. However the gullible masses
readily accept them. Like our friend Dawn, and some
others here.
Dawn has openly admitted she is NOT a Christian, so your claim fails. But continue to claim she is one, if you need to. I would be
very surprised if her life is altered in any way as a result of your
delusion(s).
My life has been altered. Originally, I thought that craziness only existed in mass shooters, politicians and at least some of those who are
(or were) married!
Dawn
If you *actually* believe this life is merely a short
prelude to the one to come and if you *actually* believe
that one form of magic will enable you to live it in bliss
and another, slightly different form will cast you into
eternal fire, then anyone pushing the wrong magic is the
worst imaginable kind of criminal, far worse than a mere
murderer.
Welcome to an entirely different universe of craziness.
Explains a lot of the history of Western Civilization! Scary thing about Christian nationalism is that if & when they stop fighting with Us
that they will start fighting with each other!
I am amused by how they say there are dangerous in every
religion - except their own.
You read but do not see, nor comprehend. I have said multiple times, perhaps
100rCOs that I follow no religion, am not part of a religion, as well as none
of you even know the definition of it.
Yet you never seek the truth of the matter.
What is your definition of truth and how do you identify it?
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<sbseck1s1i9h2vmfket794qp4p2ss9un2j@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<64kcckddt1a89o3eqr9ru08c5cssmato7f@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<d5ccck5mfmrh55r21j81sqrujjun5idqv2@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<415ackd3pmqn6hhtfgtifth1hqhrfn5ogg@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote (Message-ID:<10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me>):
(snip)
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back to Africa,
which is where the first modern humans arose.
That is a total rewrite of Human history, migratory patterns, etc,
even DNA
disproves that thinking. And so does the DNA and genomes of chimps and
humans.
You are confusing Bible mythology with human history. The Bible is not
a history book.
Your assumptions does not truth make. Assumptions of this sort are based
on ignorance whether willful or or simple lack of knowledge.
You didn't know there's a huge body of recorded knowledge that's not
based on the bible at all? Much of it is personal eyewitness info from
persons of known identity, unlike the bible. That's not assumptions, Mr.
Assumer.
The subject you were replying about was the Bible which you called a mythology out of sheer ignorance.
No, the subject was human origins. You tried to pass of biblical mythology as historic fact, which it isn't.
Go back and read what you wrote, no history book is fact. It is a historical
record which may or not be proven to be a reality, or factual. I did not declare it to be fact. But a peer reviewed book which encompasses many things. The problem here is that you cannot have a discussion without shade.
You cannot think about this type of a conversation without prejudice, and that is especially noted when you have not read the entire Bible, even for
pleasure. You are unfamiliar with it, its authors, it concepts as you do not
know anything about it directly.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Other than "you're biased
and I'm not", you are vague and rambling.
A prejudicial mindset always creates limitations to understandings.
IAd bet you did not go back and read what you wrote.
Do you ever read, pause and then reread? Your add-on comment was an assumption that could not be tied to what I wrote.
Is there something concrete that you're disagreeing with?
It was written for clarification and understandings.
As an aside, I just finished reading an article here; https://getpocket.com/explore/item/physics-is-pointing-inexorably-to-mind Titled: Physics Is Pointing Inexorably to Mind
What I found so interesting was all of his educational experience combined
with research and he came up with an understanding I had realized by the 7th
grade.Yet he missed the deep realities of it, but came close. I donAt know
it you can read it and understand it, but it curiosity gets the better of it, take a read.
"Math is real but matter is not." A vague philosophical essay. And...?
OK, but I hoped. To discuss this would take a whole other dedicated thread to
explain in simpler terms.
Ever hear of a world within a world?
Ever hear that one can identify the fingerprints of a designer in their created works?
Combined with the knowledge of how limestone is formed.
On 9/15/2025 8:25 AM, Attila wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 02:11:26 -0700, Kenito Benito
<Kenito@Benito.naw> in alt.atheism with message-id
<41mfckdroagl1u8epr6no7gmn7q95a58p8@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 10:37:12 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 06:25:58 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<i6gdckt7nhv6t7bfidhn2v6qppdtscvk14@4ax.com> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 01:06:13 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<d1tcckhnl7on9d340hb90lmnl5q97q6pbq@4ax.com> wrote:
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<sgicck9jce13c8ueuush7c3f653oshvi1h@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<po9cckl3011sfgicdvb7apiadshp3afsne@4ax.com>): >>>>>>>>>>>
LOL! It's amazing that here in the 21st century, supposed grown adultsScience and history support the days of creations.
believe in 1-week creation and The Flood. Then they try to convince >>>>>>>>>>> atheists!
Andrew & Robert, you guys are more fun than a barrel of monkeys. >>>>>>>>>>
Okay, I'll bite. I get to deny that, then you cite proof from true, >>>>>>>>> non-looney science and history sources that supports the 6 day creation,
and you can make me look like a damn fool. Ready?...
No Rob, that's false. Science and history do not support the Genesis >>>>>>>>> creation mythology.
Waiting...
So, Robster, where's the beef? My invitation sits unrequited... all you
have to do is prove science & history support creation, like you said it
does, and I will be all humble and humiliated and everything.
You can do it!
Plant life cannot survive
24 hours without the Sun.
Also false.
Then you are not knowledgeable about plant life and the total absence of
Light.
Are you a biologist now? Any healthy green plant can survive 24 hours >>>>>>> of darkness. You could conjure up a solar eclipse that long and prove >>>>>>> it!
Excuse me - a solar eclipse only lasts a short time and a
total eclipse can only last minutes.
However there have been numerous occasions when the sun was
blocked for over a day - such as during some volcano
eruptions.
A magic eclipse, like the one in Luke 23, can last for 3 hours.
There is no limit on a magic anything.
"44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all >>>>> the earth until the ninth hour. 45 And the sun was darkened, and the >>>>> veil of the temple was rent in the midst."
Not only that, the magic eclipse happened at the time of a full moon. >>>>>
If you can do magic, reality is optional.
Much like supporting evidence is "everything" or "the
universe"
Personally I think the universe complete with history,
population, and memories came into existence fifteen seconds
ago.
HEATHEN! You know it was only 14 seconds ago, and created from
the gaseous emissions of the Invisible Pink Unicorn shortly after a
morally questionable encounter with a mare going by the name of
Chucky.
Do I need to order Fang to get "The Comfy Chair?" You will be
required stay in the chair until lunch time, with only a cup of coffee
at 11:00.
Nope. It was 15 seconds ago complete with the Pink Unicorn,
Chunky, and Fang.
I have a headache.
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<sjmfckt9t259dql47s9nlgg7l5krkej5so@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 22:55:21 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
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wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 12:26:46 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a74tm$1fga8$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<3hlcckpumijgmp4esaishu8bt7vkpul6uc@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:47:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5hce$v3bm$5@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<a4acckp5ejjkenl8btsl72b4vaoforq77e@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wroteThe Bible's peers are established characters like the Quran, the >> > > > > > > Bhagavad Gita, and "Dianetics". They blessed the Holy Scripture and
(Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in >> > > > > > > > > alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>): >> > > > > > > > > >
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own
standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be
peers
of
the respective fields in order to understand what was written. >> > > > > > >
stamped it with their Impramatur.
Wrong, spoken from total ignorance. Like a chemist peer reviewing >> > > > > > astronomy.
Why not get a least some rudimentary training about these things, the
similarities and the differences, and I am not speaking of a shallow
understanding either.
Who knew the bible was brought to you by pagans?
the Holy Bible was brought to man by the Holy Spirit of God, as spoken
to
man.
He will interpret it to those who believe in Jesus Christ.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.
Look up the definitions of god. What was considered to be god/gods. In the
old time. Not some abbreviated definition that opposes a Supreme Being.
For instance
Drugs are a god to the druggie
Booze is the god of the alcoholic.
Sex is the god to the sexually depraved, etc.
Money is a god to those that are in love with money and seeks great wealth
Fast Cars, exclusive cars, etc, are a god to those who are driven to the
biggest baddest, or the most elegant, etc.
Judges and Rulers are a god to those who come before them.
Bullies are a god to be feared by the weak.
While these things are not intrinsically bad, or evil, when they are the
master of ones life it becomes a god to them. Same with good luck charms,
amulets, lucky pennies that some always carry with them.
Satan the god of this world everyone grew up with and he is the originator
of
bad or evil thoughts and actions, he is the father/motivator of all lies.
And
part of his tool pouch is the use of all the things I listed and yet there
is
far more. Like those that seek Power.
These things are norm to all men. Yet few asee; them as they are and >> > > > often
wonder why they behave certain ways as certain times. Yet they themselves
determine themselves to be the god of their life, like the guy that
proudly
sang, oI did it my wayo. Even some religious people think that and
that
they can earn a spot in heaven. That will never happen.
I am talking about a god as asserted by individuals here. A
supernatural magic being that can do all sorts of stuff.
Yet when I speak of a god, not God you do not know the difference and cannot
understand. So you assume.
How did you pick one god from all of the thousands of
others? What ws your basis for that choice?
Why should a capital letter make a difference?
It really shouldnAt as the context of the thought should distinguish one >from another. But it has become common practice in all translations into >English to help the weak ID the personage.
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<fqmfck1m0jg2qa7sf8o546881413jgg4n8@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 22:52:32 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
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wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 12:35:26 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
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wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<3blcck577s2bdnm06atb58v148ubl7o0nf@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:25:59 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4r1n$ok2p$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 19:26:11 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed
by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they >> > > > > > > > > > > > have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories >> > > > > > > > > > > > that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol! >> > > > > > > > > > > >
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back >> > > > > > > > > > > to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose. >> > > > > > > > > >
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own >> > > > > > > > > standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Not an answer. Be specific.
Do you really lack the power of reason?
Do you lack the power of comprehension? Do you know what
peer review is?
I asked you that.
Peer review is a critical quality control process in which a
scholarly work, such as a research paper, is evaluated by
experts in the same field (peers) before publication to
ensure its validity, originality, and methodological
soundness.
peer review noun[mass noun] evaluation of scientific, academic, or >professional work by others working in the same field:
(peer-review) verb [with object]
subject to a peer review: (peer-reviewed as adjective):a peer-reviewed >journal.
You claim such a review was done on your bible. Where is
this documented and who did it?
If you knew the history of the Jews, you would know that they continuously >were critical, the Priests and Prophets of scripture, and acknowledged which >were of God or of man aka apocryphal. NT the writers frequently named the >others in their books or letters which established that so and so wrote/did >what.
That is a light overview of it all.
Now a personal comment. If you were honest, sincere, etc. You would not >condemn a work of anyone without personally reviewing all the particulars, >especially when you have no expertise in the areas you criticize or downplay. >That applies to us all.
Remember, a peer review is entirely separate from the
document being reviewed
Hated to break up this sentence of yours but the section above? Think about >it.
and cannot be done by anyone who
contributed to the document in any way.
What honest person would do that?
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to beAs usual your so-called "evidence" requires a belief in your
peers
of the respective fields in order to understand what was written. >> > > > >
silly superstition to be accepted.
I answered the question of peer review, I also gave and example of it, >> > > > that
meets the requirements ofopeero review. Something that you all say
that
you understand what it means as well as the process thereof, yet cannot
fathom what it is
Here is definition, in other words, of peer review within believers
community, from the Bible.
And there you go. First you must be a believer.
To judge a believer and be a peer, then? - - - -
It is the document and what it states that is being
reviewed. This cannot be done by anyone who accepts it as
being true before the review occurs.
That, my friend, is a totally biased comment.
Believers are those that believe in God, and you should now that as many >times as it has been pointed out.
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they >are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
This is a basic teaching of God to mankind. In the OT times they were to kill >the false prophets who were Israelites. Not based on whim or feelings but >based on their false witnessing and predictions
God is an orderly God
Analysis by a non-believer is not allowed.
To a very limited sense when speaking of the scriptures. For that reason I >> > use the word ignorance, not as a slight but of position.
You would invalidate the entire procedure, which by
definition must exclude believers.
You gonna have to explain that sentence to be, it makes no sense.
oLet two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.o (1Co
14:29)
Something that many religious achristiansA cannot accept of believe as >> > > > they seek the preeminence amongst men.
This scripture explains what should happen when prophesies are given.
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<2l5fck5npd6q2apa35pcgqvl9crqlq1616@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 15:47:30 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7gm2$1ic7a$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<3klcck123b2m3s7pf740oj6um3tuh1n0ss@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 22:15:23 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5j1b$v3bm$6@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<d5ccck5mfmrh55r21j81sqrujjun5idqv2@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<415ackd3pmqn6hhtfgtifth1hqhrfn5ogg@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID:<10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me>):
(snip)
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back to Africa,
which
is where the first modern humans arose.
That is a total rewrite of Human history, migratory patterns, etc,
even
DNA
disproves that thinking. And so does the DNA and genomes of chimps and
humans.
You are confusing Bible mythology with human history. The Bible is not
a history book.
Your assumptions does not truth make. Assumptions of this sort are based
on ignorance whether willful or or simple lack of knowledge.
You didn't know there's a huge body of recorded knowledge that's not >> > > > > based on the bible at all? Much of it is personal eyewitness info from
persons of known identity, unlike the bible. That's not assumptions, Mr.
Assumer.
The subject you were replying about was the Bible which you called a >> > > > mythology out of sheer ignorance.
Where is it verified by unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible evidence?
I think you are speaking on another topic. The evidence of his subject is at
the beginning of his post here.
No. The only parts of the bible that have been verified are
a few physical locations and the existence of a few
historical figures.
Nothing about what happened or what anyone did.
The attack on Israel the destructions of its cities, and or their quick to >submit takeovers of cities, as well as the years long siege against >Jerusalem, in combination with the remnants of the ramps they built up to the >walls of the city, remain to this day, both in the annals of the Bible as >well as a carved in stone mural of the events of that day for the king that >sought to destroy them all.
Records in Egypt of the Israelites in the desert.
All the various places
where scribes of other nations made clay tablets and or writings upon papyri >that were done in regards for the NT times.
The Tower of Babel
Noahs Ark.
Evidences of a Global flood.
The god Molok and the children offered up as sacrifices to it.
The location of the tomb Jesus was placed in.
Just a sample to add to the two we recently discussed.
Then you wandered off, shifting the goal posts with yet more assumptions.
And that body of knowledge has few points of agreement with the bible.
Why would it? You really need to go to school and learn about history, and
historians.
History and historians look for unambiguous, unrelated,
verifiable and credible evidence to support their findings.
LOL, then a full 98% + of historical records do not meet your requirements.
Those accepted by historians do.
Historians? Then why not the Bible by believers in God?
Historians are often prejudiced. Shown to be wrong or of a limited >perspective. Like the burning of Rome.
History can be confirmed or denied based on physical evidence that gives >credence to the social history of not.
Which BTW the resulting product of that is that you have no historical
records to bank on.<snipped? The balance as it had nothing of do with your >> > comment.
There are historical documents in many places.
Yes, Including in America. On cliffs and in caves. Way stones that point out >were to go, etc.
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<kt5fck1mkm811g0alff6iq9g8m46uppbd2@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 15:59:32 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7hck$1ic7a$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<cqlccklkgrm1r4eu1jujdov335cf5tevuv@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 19:15:56 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10a51fs$r2fg$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 9/13/2025 3:22 PM, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 13:06:58 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10a4bs2$jrvu$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 9/13/2025 8:24 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 13:47:54 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:109vgq9$2vl7u$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question. >> > > > > > > > > >
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
Like the story about how the world and everything on it was
created in six days?
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
Sounds like any religion you care to name.
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Your use of projection amuses me. I do hope you will continue. >> > > > > > >
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
Read any peer review journal about paleo-anthropology.
Can't tell us? Yet you believe anyway. This makes you
"a believer".
It's easy to believe that which has actual evidence to support >> > > > > > > it.
Those who want the *truth* do not accept stories that
are built upon fantasy. However the gullible masses
readily accept them. Like our friend Dawn, and some
others here.
Dawn has openly admitted she is NOT a Christian, so your claim >> > > > > > > fails. But continue to claim she is one, if you need to. I would be
very surprised if her life is altered in any way as a result of your
delusion(s).
My life has been altered. Originally, I thought that craziness only
existed in mass shooters, politicians and at least some of those who are
(or were) married!
Dawn
If you *actually* believe this life is merely a short
prelude to the one to come and if you *actually* believe
that one form of magic will enable you to live it in bliss
and another, slightly different form will cast you into
eternal fire, then anyone pushing the wrong magic is the
worst imaginable kind of criminal, far worse than a mere
murderer.
Welcome to an entirely different universe of craziness.
Explains a lot of the history of Western Civilization! Scary thing
about Christian nationalism is that if & when they stop fighting with Us
that they will start fighting with each other!
I am amused by how they say there are dangerous in every
religion - except their own.
You read but do not see, nor comprehend. I have said multiple times, perhaps
100As that I follow no religion, am not part of a religion, as well as
none
of you even know the definition of it.
Yet you never seek the truth of the matter.
What is your definition of truth and how do you identify it?
Of what matter?
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 15:24:02 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <10a9sl1$25td9$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 9/15/2025 8:25 AM, Attila wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 02:11:26 -0700, Kenito Benito
<Kenito@Benito.naw> in alt.atheism with message-id
<41mfckdroagl1u8epr6no7gmn7q95a58p8@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 10:37:12 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 06:25:58 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<i6gdckt7nhv6t7bfidhn2v6qppdtscvk14@4ax.com> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 01:06:13 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<d1tcckhnl7on9d340hb90lmnl5q97q6pbq@4ax.com> wrote:
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<sgicck9jce13c8ueuush7c3f653oshvi1h@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<po9cckl3011sfgicdvb7apiadshp3afsne@4ax.com>): >>>>>>>>>>>>
LOL! It's amazing that here in the 21st century, supposed grown adultsScience and history support the days of creations.
believe in 1-week creation and The Flood. Then they try to convince
atheists!
Andrew & Robert, you guys are more fun than a barrel of monkeys. >>>>>>>>>>>
Okay, I'll bite. I get to deny that, then you cite proof from true, >>>>>>>>>> non-looney science and history sources that supports the 6 day creation,
and you can make me look like a damn fool. Ready?...
No Rob, that's false. Science and history do not support the Genesis >>>>>>>>>> creation mythology.
Waiting...
So, Robster, where's the beef? My invitation sits unrequited... all you
have to do is prove science & history support creation, like you said it
does, and I will be all humble and humiliated and everything.
You can do it!
Plant life cannot survive
24 hours without the Sun.
Also false.
Then you are not knowledgeable about plant life and the total absence of
Light.
Are you a biologist now? Any healthy green plant can survive 24 hours >>>>>>>> of darkness. You could conjure up a solar eclipse that long and prove >>>>>>>> it!
Excuse me - a solar eclipse only lasts a short time and a
total eclipse can only last minutes.
However there have been numerous occasions when the sun was
blocked for over a day - such as during some volcano
eruptions.
A magic eclipse, like the one in Luke 23, can last for 3 hours.
There is no limit on a magic anything.
"44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all >>>>>> the earth until the ninth hour. 45 And the sun was darkened, and the >>>>>> veil of the temple was rent in the midst."
Not only that, the magic eclipse happened at the time of a full moon. >>>>>>
If you can do magic, reality is optional.
Much like supporting evidence is "everything" or "the
universe"
Personally I think the universe complete with history,
population, and memories came into existence fifteen seconds
ago.
HEATHEN! You know it was only 14 seconds ago, and created from
the gaseous emissions of the Invisible Pink Unicorn shortly after a
morally questionable encounter with a mare going by the name of
Chucky.
Do I need to order Fang to get "The Comfy Chair?" You will be
required stay in the chair until lunch time, with only a cup of coffee >>>> at 11:00.
Nope. It was 15 seconds ago complete with the Pink Unicorn,
Chunky, and Fang.
I have a headache.
You were created 15 seconds ago complete with headache. <g>
On Sep 14, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a7jgl$1jevo$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/14/2025 5:59 PM, None wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<cqlccklkgrm1r4eu1jujdov335cf5tevuv@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 19:15:56 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10a51fs$r2fg$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 9/13/2025 3:22 PM, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 13:06:58 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10a4bs2$jrvu$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 9/13/2025 8:24 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 13:47:54 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:109vgq9$2vl7u$1@dont-email.me... >>>>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see >>>>>>>>>>>> what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question. >>>>>>>>>>>
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by >>>>>>>>>> the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
Like the story about how the world and everything on it was
created in six days?
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
Sounds like any religion you care to name.
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Your use of projection amuses me. I do hope you will continue. >>>>>>>>
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
Read any peer review journal about paleo-anthropology.
Can't tell us? Yet you believe anyway. This makes you
"a believer".
It's easy to believe that which has actual evidence to support >>>>>>>> it.
Those who want the *truth* do not accept stories that
are built upon fantasy. However the gullible masses
readily accept them. Like our friend Dawn, and some
others here.
Dawn has openly admitted she is NOT a Christian, so your claim >>>>>>>> fails. But continue to claim she is one, if you need to. I would be >>>>>>>> very surprised if her life is altered in any way as a result of your >>>>>>>> delusion(s).
My life has been altered. Originally, I thought that craziness only >>>>>>> existed in mass shooters, politicians and at least some of those who are
(or were) married!
Dawn
If you *actually* believe this life is merely a short
prelude to the one to come and if you *actually* believe
that one form of magic will enable you to live it in bliss
and another, slightly different form will cast you into
eternal fire, then anyone pushing the wrong magic is the
worst imaginable kind of criminal, far worse than a mere
murderer.
Welcome to an entirely different universe of craziness.
Explains a lot of the history of Western Civilization! Scary thing
about Christian nationalism is that if & when they stop fighting with Us >>>>> that they will start fighting with each other!
I am amused by how they say there are dangerous in every
religion - except their own.
You read but do not see, nor comprehend. I have said multiple times, perhaps
100rCOs that I follow no religion, am not part of a religion, as well as >>> none
of you even know the definition of it.
Yet you never seek the truth of the matter.
Sorry, but what you're saying is just nuts.
Dawn
Ok, what defines the word religion?
What defines a religion?
On Sep 15, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35B7ECC5D308629555@69.80.102.16>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in news:10a9ddl$21cji$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35ACFA61F689629555@69.80.101.16>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in
news:10a7p68$1kfmq$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 14, 2025, Mitchell Holman wroteAnd
(Message-ID: <XnsB35A52981DF2B629555@69.80.102.22>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in
news:10a58br$sg6h$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D055BCEF7629555@69.80.101.18>):
None <none@none.non> wrote in
news:10a4nhc$n3jh$4@dont-email.me:
The flood can be determined via the genealogies of the
families an occurred something like 25 years after the
death of on specific character. The length of the time of
day was the same then, as now. Same thing regarding the
time when the Hebrews became Israelites.
the multiple prophecies surrounding it. Which BTW, a mass
miracle occurred the night before they left. Something I
read from a persons comment here just recently in the OT
Times.
Everyone who was sick, infringed crippled, old or young
with any maladies were healed and they all left Egypt in
good health.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
Prove it.
None of
their shoes/sandals or clothing wore out in the 40 years of
their wandering.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
Prove it.
Did anyone die? Yes, all those that doubted as well as
those who returned to the old gods of Egypt.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Yes it does.
Prove it.
Where are you getting this stuff from?
From the Bible.
Prove it.
You have already read the Bible enough times to notice it.
Even Google should be aware of it.
It is not my job to research
the Bible for proof of your claims.
You claim it, you prove it.
It IS your responsibility to remember things, especially when you have previously made big issues in regards to these things.
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:00:39 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<9vvdckl6seuugadm48cnb231coq1kc09ql@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 09:09:13 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<jnkdcklebsl03u0iq4a2harh1mlus6emhf@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:23:52 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<8ebcck1pfpb7it0366gpp9d1csauc7ciih@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 19:02:27 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<ic6cckdv8rbi3h9ft67niro7o61c0tus6g@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 17:01:55 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<v2sbckdhvlboga8cflvphusg6o5qdnte0d@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 14:06:02 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a4c55$jrvu$4@dont-email.me>):
<snip>On 9/13/2025 12:26 PM, None wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
Where was this "spoken of" 5000 years ago?
Historically both answers are written in the Bible.
Please do not waste too much of your time on this stuff. Life is
far
too short!
Dawn
This rCOstuffrCO ? If you are speaking of the things of God
I think she was saying that they're not things of God to begin
with.
then this short
time we have is extremely vital to our eternal futures.
Christians throughout the ages have believed that they lived in the
end times -- from Paul who clearly believed he would be alive and
waiting for Jesus when the world came to an end, to Christians who
believed that 1000 CE portended an end of the world, to the
Millerites
of the 19th century Great Disappointment who calculated that the
world
would end in October 1844 -- so perhaps you shouldn't be so sure
that
"time is short.rCY
We were told to be constantly vigilant and live our lives expected
the
suddenly of suddenlies. After all who wants to be caught short like
the
5
virgins left behind.
Well, couldn't they get a second chance?!
If they make it through the initial WWW alive, yes, but from what I
Read
that
they must not recant. For many will be beheaded after torture.
And God can't overcome that?
Would you rather operate like a robot without free will. Or should it
only
be
the freedom of choice for some people but not all?
So in the parable of the 10 virgins, the virgins who were "caught short" didn't *want* to go into the wedding feast?
Oh they wanted to alright, but they were too entangled with the affairs of
this world to be ready.
When they realized that their relationship with the bridegroom had gone cold
and after asking the others to give them what they needed to enter be ready,
the bridegroom had already come and swept the others away. When the indifferent ones found out, they came banging on the doors to let them in
but
the bridegroom said to them, leave, I never knew you.
So why couldn't they get a second chance when they were banging on the door? Why couldn't they get a chance to know the bridegroom even
after they'd screwed up the first time around?
They had advance warnings and were indifferent about it. More focused in self, than in God
But when the bridegroom came back, that would change their priorities, wouldn't it? So why not show them mercy and forgiveness rather than
being so vindictive about it?
You see, the weddings of the Jewish culture was after the couple was rCyengagedrCO the bride was to get ready for marriage, and during the following year the bridegroom could come at any time and snatch her away,
she
was notified in a very short time by his best friends who would blow their
horns announcing he was coming, on his way, and then he would suddenly come
and snatch her away, to the place or room that he had built for them at his
fathers house, and there they would dwell for a year, for their honeymoon.
Neither worked, for that first year was all their time to know each other..
that is what Jesus has done for his bride as well. The wedding feast was
enjoyed by both families for up to a month as they partied and celebrated
the
marriage.
Where did you get that from?
Studies on marriage in the Bible.
Which studies?
In those days, God pulls out that which holders back evil for those seven
years. But these things you would never understand as you do not know
who
God is.
Cite?
rCLFor the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.rCY (2Th 2:7)
I was really referring to the "seven years" reference. Where did that come from? And why would God try force people to believe a lie, as
found elsewhere in 2 Thessalonians?
This is in reference to that.
No, vs. 7 has nothing to do with either seven years or a lie sent by
God.
There is so much answers that God holds in his hand, but how are those
that oppose him going to hear? They canrCOt, they are not willing and so
they have not the ears to hear.
Why do you believe that?
That is made most obvious by the atheist, but the same thing is occurring
with those that believe there is a God, but they are more interested in the
affairs of this world that they have no time for God, and or they donrCOt
want him messing with the sins they enjoy. Some are bitter towards him because he didnrCOt jump to their commands or demands.
Any examples of this?
Sure, this thread, as well as the attitudes of all atheists.
So there was an atheist in this thread who's bitter because God didn't
jump to their commands? That sounds more like a theist trope than
actual reality.
Yet Jesus gave us the signs, and when they are all happening at the same time, with an increasing ferocity and the
nations
are
all lined up as specified for a future war of MAJOR proportions.
There
is not much left to be fulfilled before Jesus comes in the air.
War, not peace, is the norm for cities and states in ancient times
and
even in the modern world. Any "signs" of Jesus' supposed return have
long since occurred, without any end of the world to go with them.
Nope, for a prophecy to be fulfilled all aspects of it must happen.
Only
partial aspects that fit near the defined prophecy, will they protected
those
that were aware, were not the actual fulfillment.
Presumably, Isaiah's "prophecy" was written before Damascus was rebuilt.
You have had that discussion with others about that prophecy, but you
dismissed the words of the Bible to accept a supposition of man who had
not
the ears to hear what was written.
What was the name of the person with whom I supposedly had this discussion? I donrCOt recall who all, but it was only a few months back.
For instance, if you see the city of Damascus totally destroyed in
one
night, as described in the Bible, I donrCOt see what else is left
before
the
Tribulation. Plus there is a viable chance that that is the trigger.
Some scholars see the destruction of Damascus as a prophecy which was
fulfilled by the destruction of Damascus by Assyria in the 8th
century
BCE. No "time of tribulation" in the modern world needed for any of
it.
Some mistaken ones did, no doubt, but the prophecy never occurred to
the
full
discription of it such as to it was fully there when night fell and
the
next
morning it was gone, plus it will never be inhabited again was not
fulfilled.
So where does the Bible say that Damascus would never be rebuilt, or
that it fell over night?
You were given those scriptures before, would there be any difference if
you
heard them again?
When did that supposedly happen?
They were mentioned as you were arguing about them.
As I was arguing about them? You said it had happened *before* that!
Your arguing has been the same for decades. All during that time you were shown things you totally dismissed, at least publicly.
Any examples? And note that "it was in this thread" or some other
broad generalization won't be sufficient.
ArenrCOt you diametrically opposed to the Bible, what it is
and what it stands for. the Bible is for understanding, not a point of
argument.
I'm opposed to people not properly understanding the Bible, which is true about most Christians.
Interesting, and why would you declare such a thing?
Maybe I wasn't clear enough: Most Christians don't understand the
Bible properly -- that's what I'm opposed to. An example would be
Jesus predicting that his generation would see his return after his
death -- Christians twist that to mean it wasn't the *generation* that would see it, but [t]he Jewish *race* that would see it.
It was spoken to the Jews at that time, and about the definition in use at that time.
Christians bend over backward to get the definition they want to use.
Those who cared to know would find out and learn. Of course, a believer could
just ask God and the spirit of God would lead them to the truth so that they
might see and understand.
What does that have to do with Jesus predicting his return within the lifetime of his followers?
See how that does violence to Scripture, in the name of conservative exegesis?
Speak in plain English please.
"Violence to Scripture" just means interpreting it in a way that's at
odds with its plain meaning, usually for some kind of personal gain.
"Conservative" just means you favor traditional interpretations of the
Bible over more modern and often secular interpretations of it.
"Exegesis" just means the process of interpreting and analyzing the
Bible to better understand what it's saying.
On 9/15/2025 4:12 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 15:33:45 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/14/2025 5:36 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 14:03:29 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Kenito Benito" wrote in message news:e6sack1t54ojl4vns19v1epeicph3nlddi@4ax.com...
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and
see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries"" have been built upon the scientific method..rather than upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
you know the one thing about that which makes no sense? it makes us all super inbred.
Something I would like to be explained is why Cain was worried someone would kill him for his murder of Abel. Since there was only Adam, Eve and their children, who were these other people that cause
Cain to fear them?
Did the God of the Bible create other humans that he placed in other areas? He must have. But if the Bible is to be believed, there
was only Adam and Eve until they left the Garden. Then they had children.
Maybe some of the kids took off to make their way in the world. There is no mention of this, so anyone who accepts the Bible as valid
would dismiss that as a realistic possibility.
This also will mean all of Adam's and Eve's children had to procreate with their siblings.
Yes.
The negative results in incestuous offspring is well known.
That wasn't the case back then, because at the beginning there
were no genetic defects to pass on. A&E had perfect genomes.
So God suspended the laws of genetics you must believe he set up?
Why would any deity do such a thing, even if for the short term?
No, it's all alien mind control; why don't you understand this??! What
is wrong with you??? Let me repeat myself, except with CAPITAL letters:
NO, IT'S ALL ALIEN MIND CONTROL; WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS??! WHAT
IS WRONG WITH YOU???
Are things clear now for you?
Makes as much sense as Andrew's claim.
That you might take what I wrote seriously is what scares me!
Dawn
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:35:05 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a9f7o$21cji$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<99lfcktt51al456kcih3352rs0ankitki1@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:19:19 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8b57$1nm5t$5@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<kh2fck9ofivv9s9s7r5hnupolh1iv3ls47@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 17:24:02 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a7mb2$1jtsc$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<a04dcklq7pgq5grj9scpiqs00c6gi50g58@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:24:45 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qjt$12pq4$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<0nkcckpiflo6noteugq1artknp6u10c85f@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a4qq9$ok2p$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<78kbcktur2nd3o3tkt2dhsbpeln5qnura7@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4etg$krjv$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<19nackp64c7m0g727n3qil1hs4b4dq9tvq@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:22:03 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<gBbxQ.71208$qPGe.58786@fx16.ams4> wrote:
"None" wrote in message news:10a2v2e$5del$5@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI
and
see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed
by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Exact where? Please be specific.
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but
if
you
really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself.
Reason?
You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
No, it is because I do not accept anything in that document as being true unless the specific item is verified by unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence. So far only a few physical locations and historical figured qualify. A very few.
Then nothing you ever say regarding it has credence.
All I ever say is that it lacks verification. If you
disagree state why. In detail, not generalities.
Since you lack the
knowledge of it as well as the understanding/ Also given as the City
of
David
has been proven and verifiably so as well as the Temple at shiloh.
Then
everything surround it must be true as well.
The City of David is the ancient core of Jerusalem. As I
have stated some physical sites have been verified.
Shiloh has been positively identified with modern Khirbet
Seilun, a tell known in Modern Hebrew as Tel Shiloh. It is located 31 kilometres (19 mi) north of Jerusalem, in the
West Bank, to the west of the modern Israeli settlement town
of Shilo and to the north of the Palestinian town of Turmus
Ayya. Another physical site that seems verified.
Such as what "around it"? The site alone says nothing about
what may or may not have occurred there.
To keep it simple, the site of the temple at Shiloh as I said before
does
have many signs of what had occurred there. That it was a Jewish Temple,
and
their practices were far different that any other religion of its Day.
I am glad to hear that you did do some limited research on these things.
No research is necessary. You are attempting to draw
unwarranted conclusions.
False as I told you or others here what a couple of the indicators were.
They
were facts, and not conclusions drawn by me.
So you say but I have yet to see any supporting evidence.
How do I know you are not lying?
When have you ever believed I was not lying and accepted what I said?
I have never accepted what you said unless supporting
evidence was included. Which means never.
You assert a lot but fail to back up what you say.
What are the "many signs"? What "occurred there"?
Go yo you tube and look for a video on the Shiloh digs and see for yourself.
Then in the comment section you can argue with them about then not seeing what they saw.
It was your assertion. You do the work.
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:40:20 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a9fhk$21cji$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<6jlfckdlsqedsfgft1ithgd92s78a92l3f@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:20:40 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8b7n$1nm5t$6@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<ri6dckd6ppvql02dtr2qfeia5ucfdnkb4r@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Would you be so kind as to cite chapter and verse? I don't recall anything about how animals got to other continents. All I recall regarding the water is that it receded. But no mention of where all this water, that covered everything, actually receded to.
Where is your proof of other continents in that day.
Pangea was a supercontinent, a single landmass of nearly all
the Earth's continents, that existed from about 335 to 200
million years ago. Also known as Pangaea, it began to break
apart around 200 million years ago due to tectonic plate
movement, a process called continental drift, which
eventually formed the continents we see today.
There were few civilizations around 200 million years ago.
The Mesopotamian civilization, centered in modern-day Iraq,
is generally considered the earliest civilization, emerging
around 4000 BCE with the Sumerians.
Where is the proof, that story is all suppositions while there is a semblance
of partial truth.
That is the conclusion of the geological research that has
been done and is supported by majority of the scientists
involved.
There is no written record of Pangea from that time.
There was no one to write it 200 million years ago.
Funny that, yet you
believe what there is not evidence of, not verification, no witnesses of, etc
etc Nothing there meets your self imposed criteria, and no excuse is sufficient to override your self defined proofs.
How can there be a written record when there would be no one
to write it for over 190 million years?
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:44:14 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a9fou$21cji$5@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<nrlfckhr0fngnak3qop4maf3s17k2it2d3@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:28:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8blh$1nm5t$7@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<ro2fckl1k7m5v97nk8tlubr1l74p8pefuo@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 16:38:24 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a7jlg$1ic7a$7@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<fe4dckpo1q99iqe6l3kgg7bsvejbqt4s21@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:28:04 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qq4$12pq4$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<nvkcck13tmf625ed499cc94eko0tnr5esm@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:07:52 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <scrxQ.23430$7F4e.19459@fx05.ams4> wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI
and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
As years and decades go on, populations
become isolated from those in other parts
of the world.
Irrelevant. There is still a population of unrelated individuals. BTW, DNA analysis will include the part of the world your ancestors came from.
BTW, While a few individuals can technically reproduce, a sustainable human population needs a significant number to maintain genetic diversity and long-term health, with estimates for a healthy, self-sustaining population ranging from 160 to 500 or more, depending on factors like genetic diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The 50/500 rule, developed for biological populations, suggests 50 individuals are needed to avoid inbreeding and 500 for long-term evolutionary adaptation, a benchmark that can be adjusted for humans with careful genetic management.
Where was there technology 3, 4 or t thousand years ago?
What technology was involved?
This is what you said, hence my question.
My comment was not about technology but about the minimum
number of individuals needed to perpetuate a species.
Stay on the subject.
I did according to your definition of all the things that you stated had
to
be part of the picture.
I quoted below the pertinent part I asked you specifically where was there
technology thousands of years before. You were the one that pointed out that
technology had to be used, I asked where was it,
It was your assumption that technology had to be a part of it, so if you
were
correct then you would know what technology was used.
That was simply the method used to determine the minimum
number necessary. That determination was a modern act, not
one made thousands of years in the past.
Genetic analysis was the basic technique, as the quotation
indicated.
Then why make the rule of. Definition that cannot stand the depth of time?
What "rule of definition" are you talking about? A
definition is a currently accepted meaning of a word.
************************************************BTW, While a few individuals can technically reproduce, a sustainable human population needs a significant number to maintain genetic diversity and long-term health, with
estimates for a healthy, self-sustaining population ranging from 160 to 500 or more, depending on factors like genetic diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The 50/500 rule, developed for biological populations, suggests
50 individuals are needed to avoid inbreeding and 500 for long-term evolutionary adaptation, a benchmark that can be adjusted for humans with careful genetic management.
Why make such blanket statements and then argue to support them without thinking and rationalizing the real situations? But thanks for actually thinking about it.
What are you talking about? I posted information on the
minimum number of individuals needed to insure survival of a
species and then you went crazy.
If you canrCOt cash the check, then say so.
*************************************
depending on factors like genetic
diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The 50/500 rule, developed for biological populations, *************************************
That is where inbreeding and genetic
diseases come from.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
The same factors as existed with the
children of Adam. At that time there
was genetic purity, no defects.
And the same problems existed, which is an excellent
argument against that legend being a myth.
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<0mcfckpmtc468lknqvfmrdevn87irj9ebq@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<o2jeck9d001k075d93fpvuslnpvn2kk6da@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
Then you tell me, who are the Bible's peers?
Every book in the OT was peer reviewed for over 1,000 years initially by
the
tribe of Levites as well as all the prophets and has been reviewed since
by
the peoples of God.
The peers of the anonymous authors of the OT would be...
more anonymous authors writing reviews. Of course!
The older books of the OT were passed orally for centuries before being
written down. None of the OT was written down before the 10th century BCE at the earliest. Most of it was written during or after the Babylonian exile. The Torah didn't reach its final form until that time.
Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in
the
So Moses was a scribe. Doesn't make him the author.
The words of the LORD who obviously authored them
That's not obvious at all that God wrote the Bible. It's just wishful thinking on your part.
The Bible was written by humans.
Anonymous, fallible humans.
Humans who made many errors.
You acting out the job of a troll, care less about your own words than you do
mine. And mine you obviously care nothing about as you poorly attempt to tell
me what I am thinking as well as why.
Time for you to come up with another nym.
Do you think Moses wrote this?:
Deuteronomy 34:5 "So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the
land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord. 6 And he buried him in
a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day."
Did Moses describe his own death and burial?
Notice "unto this day". The author seems to be writing a long, long
time after Moses was laid to rest.
Lack of response noted. That's your admission that the Torah was
transmitted orally for centuries before it was written down.
On Sep 15, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote >(Message-ID:<6eogck505a8plfacgc2p892haldh2l9gj5@4ax.com>):<snip>
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:00:39 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
They had advance warnings and were indifferent about it. More focused in >> > self, than in God
But when the bridegroom came back, that would change their priorities,
wouldn't it? So why not show them mercy and forgiveness rather than
being so vindictive about it?
You see, the weddings of the Jewish culture was after the couple was >> > > > aengagedA the bride was to get ready for marriage, and during the
following year the bridegroom could come at any time and snatch her away,
she
was notified in a very short time by his best friends who would blow their
horns announcing he was coming, on his way, and then he would suddenly >> > > > come
and snatch her away, to the place or room that he had built for them at
his
fathers house, and there they would dwell for a year, for their honeymoon.
Neither worked, for that first year was all their time to know each
other..
that is what Jesus has done for his bride as well. The wedding feast was
enjoyed by both families for up to a month as they partied and celebrated
the
marriage.
Where did you get that from?
Studies on marriage in the Bible.
Which studies?
Mine and it started from the understanding go s messianic Jew.
In those days, God pulls out that which holders back evil for those
seven
years. But these things you would never understand as you do not know
who
God is.
Cite?
oFor the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now
restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.o (2Th 2:7)
I was really referring to the "seven years" reference. Where did that
come from? And why would God try force people to believe a lie, as
found elsewhere in 2 Thessalonians?
This is in reference to that.
No, vs. 7 has nothing to do with either seven years or a lie sent by
God.
God did not force anyone to believe a lie.
And it does have everything to do with sin ruling the world in
that 7 year period. You have read and heard
about it often enough to know that.
There is so much answers that God holds in his hand, but how are those
that oppose him going to hear? They canAt, they are not willing and so
they have not the ears to hear.
Why do you believe that?
That is made most obvious by the atheist, but the same thing is occurring
with those that believe there is a God, but they are more interested in the
affairs of this world that they have no time for God, and or they donAt
want him messing with the sins they enjoy. Some are bitter towards him >> > > > because he didnAt jump to their commands or demands.
Any examples of this?
Sure, this thread, as well as the attitudes of all atheists.
So there was an atheist in this thread who's bitter because God didn't
jump to their commands? That sounds more like a theist trope than
actual reality.
There is many, and they mostly come from religious backgrounds.
Some scholars see the destruction of Damascus as a prophecy which was
fulfilled by the destruction of Damascus by Assyria in the 8th
century
BCE. No "time of tribulation" in the modern world needed for any of
it.
Some mistaken ones did, no doubt, but the prophecy never occurred to
the
full
discription of it such as to it was fully there when night fell and
the
next
morning it was gone, plus it will never be inhabited again was not
fulfilled.
So where does the Bible say that Damascus would never be rebuilt, or
that it fell over night?
You were given those scriptures before, would there be any difference if
you
heard them again?
When did that supposedly happen?
They were mentioned as you were arguing about them.
As I was arguing about them? You said it had happened *before* that!
Your arguing has been the same for decades. All during that time you were >> > shown things you totally dismissed, at least publicly.
Any examples? And note that "it was in this thread" or some other
broad generalization won't be sufficient.
Has this thread gone on for decades?
Has your argument changed?
ArenAt you diametrically opposed to the Bible, what it is
and what it stands for. the Bible is for understanding, not a point of
argument.
I'm opposed to people not properly understanding the Bible, which is >> > > > > true about most Christians.
Interesting, and why would you declare such a thing?
Maybe I wasn't clear enough: Most Christians don't understand the
Bible properly -- that's what I'm opposed to. An example would be
Jesus predicting that his generation would see his return after his
death -- Christians twist that to mean it wasn't the *generation* that >> > > would see it, but [t]he Jewish *race* that would see it.
It was spoken to the Jews at that time, and about the definition in use at >> > that time.
Christians bend over backward to get the definition they want to use.
Some so-called christians do that, even the prideful ones. And the lazy ones >us AI,
When they do so they are not listening to God, donAt care about what He >thinks., and a variety of other reasons.
Those who cared to know would find out and learn. Of course, a believer
could
just ask God and the spirit of God would lead them to the truth so that they
might see and understand.
What does that have to do with Jesus predicting his return within the
lifetime of his followers?
So mankind would know the time period. A last call understanding. The big one >that ties into that is the prophecy of Joel that Peter announced at the >beginning.
See how that does violence to Scripture, in the name of conservative
exegesis?
Speak in plain English please.
"Violence to Scripture" just means interpreting it in a way that's at
odds with its plain meaning, usually for some kind of personal gain.
"Conservative" just means you favor traditional interpretations of the
Bible over more modern and often secular interpretations of it.
"Exegesis" just means the process of interpreting and analyzing the
Bible to better understand what it's saying.
That is the word I was asking about.
It is the not what Jesus spoke about and is most typically the way of carnal >men.
It is also the way of atheist theologians.
God speaks to the heart of man As Jesus promised for those that believe in >Him and walk according to his ways.
He also calls to those that are lost, those that seek eternal life.
None wrote:
On Sep 12, 2025, None wrote
(Message-ID: <10a2usm$5del$4@dont-email.me>):
On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/12/2025 3:47 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:109vgq9$2vl7u$1@dont-email.me... >>>>>> Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back to Africa, which >>>> is where the first modern humans arose.
That is a total rewrite of Human history, migratory patterns, etc, even DNA >>> disproves that thinking. And so does the DNA and genomes of chimps and
humans.
Off topic for this thread and denoted why in the subject.
We have all been conned. Using scientific explanations to support the con. >>
Just read this as it was part of an article.
"Cosimo Posth, an archaeogenetics expert at the University of Tnbingen, in >> Germany, and colleagues described the genomes of ten different individuals >> who lived in three key regions: SiberiaAs Altai Mountains, the Kamchatka
Peninsula and other parts of the Russian Far East. Environmental
conditionsucold climates at high latitudesuallowed for optimal
preservation of DNA that was hundreds to thousands of years old. oIn these >> environments you can find individuals with 70 to 80 percent of human DNA in >> their bones, comparable to what youAd get if you extracted saliva from you >> or me,o says Posth. oYou can actually generate a genome of the same
quality as a modern genome. ItAs amazing stuff.o"
If this be true then the tests are missing 20-30% of the info From saliva
tests. So all may not be as it seems. It is only a test of a likelihood a
best guess type of thing. Compound that with the spit tests of a husband and >> wife and that can compound the error significantly and a good statistician >> will confirm that. Yeah, science is end all be all. Who are ya gonna believe?
you can give another fluid, that is whiteish. that's 100%..
actually you have meiosis there, so there would be slight genetic
variation. anyway, i think 100% dna can be gatehered from spit.
Personally I think the universe complete with history,
population, and memories came into existence fifteen seconds
ago.
HEATHEN! You know it was only 14 seconds ago, and created from
the gaseous emissions of the Invisible Pink Unicorn shortly after a
morally questionable encounter with a mare going by the name of
Chucky.
Do I need to order Fang to get "The Comfy Chair?" You will be
required stay in the chair until lunch time, with only a cup of coffee
at 11:00.
Nope. It was 15 seconds ago complete with the Pink Unicorn,
Chunky, and Fang.
Kenito Benito <Kenito@Benito.naw> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None <none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Would you be so kind as to cite chapter and verse? I don't recall
anything about how animals got to other continents. All I recall
regarding the water is that it receded. But no mention of where all
this water, that covered everything, actually receded to.
The flood waters ran off the edges of the Earth.
The turtles appreciated the shower.
So Noah's family is the source of all
genetic diseases we have today. Dwarfism,
autims, Spina Bifida, cleft palates,
Sickle cell, Alzheimers.
Why would God choose such a sickly
family to reproduce all mankind?
Very limited options. The Bible claims Noah was the only good and
decent person on the whole planet (that's not how it's worded, but I
hope I made my point). If the only candidate, and his family, have a
lot of genetic issues, you have to go with them.
But, then, why wouldn't a god with such power just heal them? If
these people are worthy of being saved from the destruction of nearly
all life on the planet, why wouldn't this deity cure them of the
genetic issues they have?
If God purged genetic diseases
from the Family Noah, and we are all
descendants of Family Noah, then where
did all our current genetic diseases
come from?
The negative results in incestuous offspring is well known.
That wasn't the case back then, because at the beginning there
were no genetic defects to pass on. A&E had perfect genomes.
So God suspended the laws of genetics you must believe he set up? >>>> Why would any deity do such a thing, even if for the short term?
No, it's all alien mind control; why don't you understand this??! What
is wrong with you??? Let me repeat myself, except with CAPITAL letters: >>>
NO, IT'S ALL ALIEN MIND CONTROL; WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS??! WHAT
IS WRONG WITH YOU???
Are things clear now for you?
Makes as much sense as Andrew's claim.
That you might take what I wrote seriously is what scares me!
On Sep 15, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote >(Message-ID:<t2mfckh4toc7pojhb1rhoiabv0ip48dsn5@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 12:46:13 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<8j6dckd2rqf5uj6jdh6g3lmuci8cu8g0c4@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 19:26:11 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me... >> > > > > > > Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question. >> > > > > > > > > >
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by
the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own
standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
Since when?
Since always from, the beginning until now.
Your lying isn't helping.
You have no justification for saying that.
There is nothing peer reviewed that supports the Garden of Eden
ever existed. The same with humans being created there. To be fair,
I'm not aware of anything that actually refutes it, either.
the Bible speaks specifically of the original location of it. Persians are >> > proud of the fact that they dwell near where it was.
Don't tell Andrew. He insists it's in Africa.
I am not speaking of
those that became Muslims, most of them by force, as many still hold to
their old religion.
Islam teaches the Garden of Eden existed. It's just as fictional.
It is a false belief. False God and they use plagiarized scripture, mixed >with the teachings of Satan.
Are there some things that are believed by Faith? Yes, and that faith is >> > given by God, and when people believe upon God and now him experientially >> > and
then know the reality of Him it becomes clear to them with a reality that >> > cannot be denied. The physical reality/evidence of this was brought clearly
to men of old with the contest between the prophets of BAAL and the Prophet
of God Elijah.
So you're falling on the "You can't know until you believe!"
tripe. Surely you understand that NEVER works.
It is scriptural.
Did you know the Quran has the same stories? So you MUST accept
Islam as the only TRUE religion. You've not allowed yourself any other
choice.
BTW, it is sure to be just as fictional as all other religions.
Are you really admitting you know nothing of the origins of the oQurano?
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<fqsgcktru6f2gvs2nt5th957s410jaeue4@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:35:05 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a9f7o$21cji$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<99lfcktt51al456kcih3352rs0ankitki1@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:19:19 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8b57$1nm5t$5@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<kh2fck9ofivv9s9s7r5hnupolh1iv3ls47@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 17:24:02 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7mb2$1jtsc$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<a04dcklq7pgq5grj9scpiqs00c6gi50g58@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:24:45 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qjt$12pq4$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<0nkcckpiflo6noteugq1artknp6u10c85f@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in >> > > > > > > > > alt.atheism with message-id<10a4qq9$ok2p$1@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<78kbcktur2nd3o3tkt2dhsbpeln5qnura7@4ax.com>): >> > > > > > > > > >
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4etg$krjv$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<19nackp64c7m0g727n3qil1hs4b4dq9tvq@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:22:03 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<gBbxQ.71208$qPGe.58786@fx16.ams4> wrote:
"None" wrote in message news:10a2v2e$5del$5@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI
and
see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed
by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Exact where? Please be specific.
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but
if
you
really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself.
Reason?
You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
No, it is because I do not accept anything in that document >> > > > > > > > > as being true unless the specific item is verified by
unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence. So >> > > > > > > > > far only a few physical locations and historical figured
qualify. A very few.
Then nothing you ever say regarding it has credence.
All I ever say is that it lacks verification. If you
disagree state why. In detail, not generalities.
Since you lack the
knowledge of it as well as the understanding/ Also given as the City
of
David
has been proven and verifiably so as well as the Temple at shiloh.
Then
everything surround it must be true as well.
The City of David is the ancient core of Jerusalem. As I
have stated some physical sites have been verified.
Shiloh has been positively identified with modern Khirbet
Seilun, a tell known in Modern Hebrew as Tel Shiloh. It is
located 31 kilometres (19 mi) north of Jerusalem, in the
West Bank, to the west of the modern Israeli settlement town
of Shilo and to the north of the Palestinian town of Turmus
Ayya. Another physical site that seems verified.
Such as what "around it"? The site alone says nothing about
what may or may not have occurred there.
To keep it simple, the site of the temple at Shiloh as I said before
does
have many signs of what had occurred there. That it was a Jewish Temple,
and
their practices were far different that any other religion of its Day.
I am glad to hear that you did do some limited research on these things.
No research is necessary. You are attempting to draw
unwarranted conclusions.
False as I told you or others here what a couple of the indicators were.
They
were facts, and not conclusions drawn by me.
So you say but I have yet to see any supporting evidence.
How do I know you are not lying?
When have you ever believed I was not lying and accepted what I said?
I have never accepted what you said unless supporting
evidence was included. Which means never.
You assert a lot but fail to back up what you say.
That is easy for you to say as you instantly reject everything.
You use your little chant prayer about proof, and call all you oppose wrong. >Even when the facts are in front of your face, because then you just turn you >head so you donAt see it.
What are the "many signs"? What "occurred there"?
Go yo you tube and look for a video on the Shiloh digs and see for yourself.
Then in the comment section you can argue with them about then not seeing >> > what they saw.
It was your assertion. You do the work.
Shows you donAt care about proofs. You run and hide from it.
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<90tgck1mtibtpt2d9jeigb0djks76kcaoe@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:40:20 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a9fhk$21cji$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<6jlfckdlsqedsfgft1ithgd92s78a92l3f@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:20:40 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8b7n$1nm5t$6@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<ri6dckd6ppvql02dtr2qfeia5ucfdnkb4r@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Would you be so kind as to cite chapter and verse? I don't recall
anything about how animals got to other continents. All I recall
regarding the water is that it receded. But no mention of where all >> > > > > this water, that covered everything, actually receded to.
Where is your proof of other continents in that day.
Pangea was a supercontinent, a single landmass of nearly all
the Earth's continents, that existed from about 335 to 200
million years ago. Also known as Pangaea, it began to break
apart around 200 million years ago due to tectonic plate
movement, a process called continental drift, which
eventually formed the continents we see today.
There were few civilizations around 200 million years ago.
The Mesopotamian civilization, centered in modern-day Iraq,
is generally considered the earliest civilization, emerging
around 4000 BCE with the Sumerians.
Where is the proof, that story is all suppositions while there is a
semblance
of partial truth.
That is the conclusion of the geological research that has
been done and is supported by majority of the scientists
involved.
There is no written record of Pangea from that time.
There was no one to write it 200 million years ago.
Funny that, yet you
believe what there is not evidence of, not verification, no witnesses of, >> > etc
etc Nothing there meets your self imposed criteria, and no excuse is
sufficient to override your self defined proofs.
How can there be a written record when there would be no one
to write it for over 190 million years?
ROTFLOL, Then where did the name come from? 2+2?
Where is all their proofs that meet your personal requirements. Like someone >who was there to witness the events?
Time did not begin before the first day.
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<0atgckdrpfi255r0o9to0risbuhdatj82d@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:44:14 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a9fou$21cji$5@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wroteWhat "rule of definition" are you talking about? A
(Message-ID:<nrlfckhr0fngnak3qop4maf3s17k2it2d3@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:28:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
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wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<ro2fckl1k7m5v97nk8tlubr1l74p8pefuo@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 16:38:24 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7jlg$1ic7a$7@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<fe4dckpo1q99iqe6l3kgg7bsvejbqt4s21@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:28:04 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qq4$12pq4$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<nvkcck13tmf625ed499cc94eko0tnr5esm@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:07:52 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id >> > > > > > > > > <scrxQ.23430$7F4e.19459@fx05.ams4> wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI
and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
As years and decades go on, populations
become isolated from those in other parts
of the world.
Irrelevant. There is still a population of unrelated
individuals. BTW, DNA analysis will include the part of the >> > > > > > > > > world your ancestors came from.
BTW, While a few individuals can technically reproduce, a
sustainable human population needs a significant number to >> > > > > > > > > maintain genetic diversity and long-term health, with
estimates for a healthy, self-sustaining population ranging >> > > > > > > > > from 160 to 500 or more, depending on factors like genetic >> > > > > > > > > diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The >> > > > > > > > > 50/500 rule, developed for biological populations, suggests >> > > > > > > > > 50 individuals are needed to avoid inbreeding and 500 for
long-term evolutionary adaptation, a benchmark that can be >> > > > > > > > > adjusted for humans with careful genetic management.
Where was there technology 3, 4 or t thousand years ago?
What technology was involved?
This is what you said, hence my question.
My comment was not about technology but about the minimum
number of individuals needed to perpetuate a species.
Stay on the subject.
I did according to your definition of all the things that you stated had
to
be part of the picture.
I quoted below the pertinent part I asked you specifically where was there
technology thousands of years before. You were the one that pointed out
that
technology had to be used, I asked where was it,
It was your assumption that technology had to be a part of it, so if you
were
correct then you would know what technology was used.
That was simply the method used to determine the minimum
number necessary. That determination was a modern act, not
one made thousands of years in the past.
Genetic analysis was the basic technique, as the quotation
indicated.
Then why make the rule of. Definition that cannot stand the depth of time? >>
definition is a currently accepted meaning of a word.
***********************************************
The above is your defined rules and standards.BTW, While a few individuals can technically reproduce, a
sustainable human population needs a significant number to
maintain genetic diversity and long-term health, with
estimates for a healthy, self-sustaining population ranging
from 160 to 500 or more, depending on factors like genetic
diversity, technological intervention, and time scale. The
50/500 rule, developed for biological populations, suggests
50 individuals are needed to avoid inbreeding and 500 for
long-term evolutionary adaptation, a benchmark that can be
adjusted for humans with careful genetic management. >************************************************
Then later stated that the technology portion did not apply to ancient >civilization, :)
In regards to your few individuals can otechnically reproduceo Take these >modern times where a shipwreck of ten or more sailors made it to an island >with vegetation and all died without on offspring, except maybe the guy that >walked the plank and sprung off the ship! LOL.
And as to time scales?
You believed all that malarky and it never met your self defined rules of >proofs.
Hate to say it but what reality platform do you dwell on?
Why make such blanket statements and then argue to support them without
thinking and rationalizing the real situations? But thanks for actually
thinking about it.
What are you talking about? I posted information on the
minimum number of individuals needed to insure survival of a
species and then you went crazy.
Anyone that reads these post between us can see that never happened.
On 9/15/2025 6:40 PM, Attila wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 15:24:02 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10a9sl1$25td9$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 9/15/2025 8:25 AM, Attila wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 02:11:26 -0700, Kenito Benito
<Kenito@Benito.naw> in alt.atheism with message-id
<41mfckdroagl1u8epr6no7gmn7q95a58p8@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 10:37:12 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 06:25:58 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<i6gdckt7nhv6t7bfidhn2v6qppdtscvk14@4ax.com> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 01:06:13 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<d1tcckhnl7on9d340hb90lmnl5q97q6pbq@4ax.com> wrote:
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<sgicck9jce13c8ueuush7c3f653oshvi1h@4ax.com>): >>>>>>>>>>
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<po9cckl3011sfgicdvb7apiadshp3afsne@4ax.com>): >>>>>>>>>>>>>
LOL! It's amazing that here in the 21st century, supposed grown adultsScience and history support the days of creations.
believe in 1-week creation and The Flood. Then they try to convince
atheists!
Andrew & Robert, you guys are more fun than a barrel of monkeys. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Okay, I'll bite. I get to deny that, then you cite proof from true, >>>>>>>>>>> non-looney science and history sources that supports the 6 day creation,
and you can make me look like a damn fool. Ready?...
No Rob, that's false. Science and history do not support the Genesis
creation mythology.
Waiting...
So, Robster, where's the beef? My invitation sits unrequited... all you
have to do is prove science & history support creation, like you said it
does, and I will be all humble and humiliated and everything. >>>>>>>>>
You can do it!
Plant life cannot survive
24 hours without the Sun.
Also false.
Then you are not knowledgeable about plant life and the total absence of
Light.
Are you a biologist now? Any healthy green plant can survive 24 hours
of darkness. You could conjure up a solar eclipse that long and prove
it!
Excuse me - a solar eclipse only lasts a short time and a
total eclipse can only last minutes.
However there have been numerous occasions when the sun was
blocked for over a day - such as during some volcano
eruptions.
A magic eclipse, like the one in Luke 23, can last for 3 hours.
There is no limit on a magic anything.
"44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all >>>>>>> the earth until the ninth hour. 45 And the sun was darkened, and the >>>>>>> veil of the temple was rent in the midst."
Not only that, the magic eclipse happened at the time of a full moon. >>>>>>>
If you can do magic, reality is optional.
Much like supporting evidence is "everything" or "the
universe"
Personally I think the universe complete with history,
population, and memories came into existence fifteen seconds
ago.
HEATHEN! You know it was only 14 seconds ago, and created from >>>>> the gaseous emissions of the Invisible Pink Unicorn shortly after a
morally questionable encounter with a mare going by the name of
Chucky.
Do I need to order Fang to get "The Comfy Chair?" You will be
required stay in the chair until lunch time, with only a cup of coffee >>>>> at 11:00.
Nope. It was 15 seconds ago complete with the Pink Unicorn,
Chunky, and Fang.
I have a headache.
You were created 15 seconds ago complete with headache. <g>
Just so you know, this is called "gaslighting". It can and will lead to >less sex. I speak from experience here.
Dawn
Here's the joke:
Setup: What's the difference between a cult and a religion?
Punchline: About a hundred years.
"Bada bing, bada boom."
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:25:52 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
[...]
Personally I think the universe complete with history,
population, and memories came into existence fifteen seconds
ago.
HEATHEN! You know it was only 14 seconds ago, and created from
the gaseous emissions of the Invisible Pink Unicorn shortly after a >>>morally questionable encounter with a mare going by the name of
Chucky.
Do I need to order Fang to get "The Comfy Chair?" You will be >>>required stay in the chair until lunch time, with only a cup of coffee
at 11:00.
Nope. It was 15 seconds ago complete with the Pink Unicorn,
Chunky, and Fang.
But no comfy chair? Huh.
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 17:39:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:
[...]
So Noah's family is the source of all
genetic diseases we have today. Dwarfism,
autims, Spina Bifida, cleft palates,
Sickle cell, Alzheimers.
Why would God choose such a sickly
family to reproduce all mankind?
Very limited options. The Bible claims Noah was the only good and
decent person on the whole planet (that's not how it's worded, but I
hope I made my point). If the only candidate, and his family, have a
lot of genetic issues, you have to go with them.
But, then, why wouldn't a god with such power just heal them? If
these people are worthy of being saved from the destruction of nearly
all life on the planet, why wouldn't this deity cure them of the
genetic issues they have?
If God purged genetic diseases
from the Family Noah, and we are all
descendants of Family Noah, then where
did all our current genetic diseases
come from?
Well, you see, um, yeah... It's a mystery. Which, of course,
proves God exists.
It was your assertion. You do the work.
Shows you donrCOt care about proofs. You run and hide from it.I don't care whether you support what you say or not as long
as it is clear and obvious when you fail to do so.
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 19:36:07 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10aaien$2amep$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<90tgck1mtibtpt2d9jeigb0djks76kcaoe@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:40:20 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a9fhk$21cji$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<6jlfckdlsqedsfgft1ithgd92s78a92l3f@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:20:40 -0700, None<none@none.non> in alt.atheism with message-id<10a8b7n$1nm5t$6@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<ri6dckd6ppvql02dtr2qfeia5ucfdnkb4r@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Would you be so kind as to cite chapter and verse? I don't recall anything about how animals got to other continents. All I recall regarding the water is that it receded. But no mention of where all
this water, that covered everything, actually receded to.
Where is your proof of other continents in that day.
Pangea was a supercontinent, a single landmass of nearly all
the Earth's continents, that existed from about 335 to 200
million years ago. Also known as Pangaea, it began to break
apart around 200 million years ago due to tectonic plate
movement, a process called continental drift, which
eventually formed the continents we see today.
There were few civilizations around 200 million years ago.
The Mesopotamian civilization, centered in modern-day Iraq,
is generally considered the earliest civilization, emerging
around 4000 BCE with the Sumerians.
Where is the proof, that story is all suppositions while there is a semblance
of partial truth.
That is the conclusion of the geological research that has
been done and is supported by majority of the scientists
involved.
There is no written record of Pangea from that time.
There was no one to write it 200 million years ago.
Funny that, yet you
believe what there is not evidence of, not verification, no witnesses of,
etc
etc Nothing there meets your self imposed criteria, and no excuse is sufficient to override your self defined proofs.
How can there be a written record when there would be no one
to write it for over 190 million years?
ROTFLOL, Then where did the name come from? 2+2?
It was assigned in the modern era when geologists first
became aware of continental drift and it's historical
significance.
Where is all their proofs that meet your personal requirements. Like someone
who was there to witness the events?
An event such as continental drift does not require
witnesses. It can be understood by studying the phenomena
in the present.
Time did not begin before the first day.
the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in
the past, present, and future regarded as a whole.
The measurement of time was possible long before there was
day or night.
On Sep 15, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a9sio$25td9$2@dont-email.me>):
On 9/15/2025 4:12 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 15:33:45 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/14/2025 5:36 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 14:03:29 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Kenito Benito" wrote in message
news:e6sack1t54ojl4vns19v1epeicph3nlddi@4ax.com...
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", >>>>>>>>>>>> followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses! >>>>>>>>>>>
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries"" >>>>>>>>>>> have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
you know the one thing about that which makes no sense? it makes >>>>>>>> us all super inbred.
Something I would like to be explained is why Cain was worried
someone would kill him for his murder of Abel. Since there was only >>>>>>> Adam, Eve and their children, who were these other people that cause >>>>>>> Cain to fear them?
Did the God of the Bible create other humans that he placed in
other areas? He must have. But if the Bible is to be believed, there >>>>>>> was only Adam and Eve until they left the Garden. Then they had
children.
Maybe some of the kids took off to make their way in the world.
There is no mention of this, so anyone who accepts the Bible as valid >>>>>>> would dismiss that as a realistic possibility.
This also will mean all of Adam's and Eve's children had to
procreate with their siblings.
Yes.
The negative results in incestuous offspring is well known.
That wasn't the case back then, because at the beginning there
were no genetic defects to pass on. A&E had perfect genomes.
So God suspended the laws of genetics you must believe he set up?
Why would any deity do such a thing, even if for the short term?
No, it's all alien mind control; why don't you understand this??! What >>>> is wrong with you??? Let me repeat myself, except with CAPITAL letters: >>>>
NO, IT'S ALL ALIEN MIND CONTROL; WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS??! WHAT >>>> IS WRONG WITH YOU???
Are things clear now for you?
Makes as much sense as Andrew's claim.
That you might take what I wrote seriously is what scares me!
Dawn
*** ;) everyone knows that aliens are drug traffickers who using that control steal all they can from you.
Yet YOU
You're
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 19:16:00 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 15, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote (Message-ID:<6eogck505a8plfacgc2p892haldh2l9gj5@4ax.com>):
<snip>On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:00:39 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
They had advance warnings and were indifferent about it. More focused in
self, than in God
But when the bridegroom came back, that would change their priorities, wouldn't it? So why not show them mercy and forgiveness rather than
being so vindictive about it?
You see, the weddings of the Jewish culture was after the couple was
rCyengagedrCO the bride was to get ready for marriage, and during the
following year the bridegroom could come at any time and snatch her away,
she
was notified in a very short time by his best friends who would blow
their
horns announcing he was coming, on his way, and then he would suddenly
come
and snatch her away, to the place or room that he had built for them at
his
fathers house, and there they would dwell for a year, for their honeymoon.
Neither worked, for that first year was all their time to know each other..
that is what Jesus has done for his bride as well. The wedding feast was
enjoyed by both families for up to a month as they partied and celebrated
the
marriage.
Where did you get that from?
Studies on marriage in the Bible.
Which studies?
Mine and it started from the understanding go s messianic Jew.
So the studies were yours and not just from the Bible?
In those days, God pulls out that which holders back evil for those
seven
years. But these things you would never understand as you do not know
who
God is.
Cite?
rCLFor the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now
restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.rCY (2Th 2:7)
I was really referring to the "seven years" reference. Where did that come from? And why would God try force people to believe a lie, as found elsewhere in 2 Thessalonians?
This is in reference to that.
No, vs. 7 has nothing to do with either seven years or a lie sent by
God.
God did not force anyone to believe a lie.
From vss. 11-12
11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they
will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
And it does have everything to do with sin ruling the world in
that 7 year period. You have read and heard
about it often enough to know that.
That actually sounds familiar to me, but I remember something like it
being in the book of Daniel, not 2 Thessalonians.
There is so much answers that God holds in his hand, but how are those
that oppose him going to hear? They canrCOt, they are not willing and
so
they have not the ears to hear.
Why do you believe that?
That is made most obvious by the atheist, but the same thing is occurring
with those that believe there is a God, but they are more interested in
the
affairs of this world that they have no time for God, and or they donrCOt
want him messing with the sins they enjoy. Some are bitter towards him
because he didnrCOt jump to their commands or demands.
Any examples of this?
Sure, this thread, as well as the attitudes of all atheists.
So there was an atheist in this thread who's bitter because God didn't jump to their commands? That sounds more like a theist trope than
actual reality.
There is many, and they mostly come from religious backgrounds.
How do you distinguish bitterness from just being right, logically
speaking?
<snip>
Some scholars see the destruction of Damascus as a prophecy which
was
fulfilled by the destruction of Damascus by Assyria in the 8th
century
BCE. No "time of tribulation" in the modern world needed for any of
it.
Some mistaken ones did, no doubt, but the prophecy never occurred to
the
full
discription of it such as to it was fully there when night fell and
the
next
morning it was gone, plus it will never be inhabited again was not
fulfilled.
So where does the Bible say that Damascus would never be rebuilt, or
that it fell over night?
You were given those scriptures before, would there be any difference
if
you
heard them again?
When did that supposedly happen?
They were mentioned as you were arguing about them.
As I was arguing about them? You said it had happened *before* that!
Your arguing has been the same for decades. All during that time you were
shown things you totally dismissed, at least publicly.
Any examples? And note that "it was in this thread" or some other
broad generalization won't be sufficient.
Has this thread gone on for decades?
Who claimed that?
Has your argument changed?
What argument are you talking about?
ArenrCOt you diametrically opposed to the Bible, what it is
and what it stands for. the Bible is for understanding, not a point of
argument.
I'm opposed to people not properly understanding the Bible, which is
true about most Christians.
Interesting, and why would you declare such a thing?
Maybe I wasn't clear enough: Most Christians don't understand the Bible properly -- that's what I'm opposed to. An example would be Jesus predicting that his generation would see his return after his death -- Christians twist that to mean it wasn't the *generation* that
would see it, but [t]he Jewish *race* that would see it.
It was spoken to the Jews at that time, and about the definition in use at
that time.
Christians bend over backward to get the definition they want to use.
Some so-called christians do that, even the prideful ones. And the lazy ones
us AI,
So you agree that Jesus thought he would return during the lifetime of
his listeners?
When they do so they are not listening to God, donrCOt care about what He thinks., and a variety of other reasons.
Those who cared to know would find out and learn. Of course, a believer could
just ask God and the spirit of God would lead them to the truth so that they
might see and understand.
What does that have to do with Jesus predicting his return within the lifetime of his followers?
So mankind would know the time period. A last call understanding. The big one
that ties into that is the prophecy of Joel that Peter announced at the beginning.
That time period provided for "mankind" was clearly wrong, though.
What prophets have arisen in what you believe to be the last days?
See how that does violence to Scripture, in the name of conservative exegesis?
Speak in plain English please.
"Violence to Scripture" just means interpreting it in a way that's at odds with its plain meaning, usually for some kind of personal gain.
"Conservative" just means you favor traditional interpretations of the Bible over more modern and often secular interpretations of it.
"Exegesis" just means the process of interpreting and analyzing the
Bible to better understand what it's saying.
That is the word I was asking about.
So it was the word "exegesis" that you didn't know.
It is the not what Jesus spoke about and is most typically the way of carnal
men.
It is also the way of atheist theologians.
As long as they think clearly, they're doing well, and their
description ("atheist theologians") is not an oxymoron.
God speaks to the heart of man As Jesus promised for those that believe in Him and walk according to his ways.
What would limit him to "the heart"?
He also calls to those that are lost, those that seek eternal life.
Why couldn't he call those who don't seek eternal life?
You claim it, you prove it.
It IS your responsibility to remember things, especially when you have previously made big issues in regards to these things.
This is the way all arguments with
Christians end. "I remember reading in
the Bible somewhere, just read the Bible"
Need more proof of Bibllical illiteracy
by Christians such as yourself?
On Sep 15, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB35BD1567BE2D629555@69.80.102.19>):
You claim it, you prove it.
It IS your responsibility to remember things, especially when you
have previously made big issues in regards to these things.
This is the way all arguments with
Christians end. "I remember reading in
the Bible somewhere, just read the Bible"
Need more proof of Bibllical illiteracy
by Christians such as yourself?
I donrCOt do that. I do remember what I read.
I tell the trolling bores after quoting the same sciptures to them
time after time, to look it up since they ignored it time after time.
And lol, I remember a couple times when you did that, and then said I
never gave you the scripture, a couple days later you rCLquoted what I saidrCY with the scripture involved. Even though you earlier denied
the scripture did not exist. Go figger.
On Sep 15, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote >(Message-ID:<n40ickp34ig2v7qpqbmtoaa49aecgkdqu4@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 19:16:00 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 15, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote<snip>
(Message-ID:<6eogck505a8plfacgc2p892haldh2l9gj5@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:00:39 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
They had advance warnings and were indifferent about it. More focused in
self, than in God
But when the bridegroom came back, that would change their priorities, >> > > wouldn't it? So why not show them mercy and forgiveness rather than
being so vindictive about it?
You see, the weddings of the Jewish culture was after the couple was
aengagedA the bride was to get ready for marriage, and during the >> > > > > > following year the bridegroom could come at any time and snatch her
away,
she
was notified in a very short time by his best friends who would blow
their
horns announcing he was coming, on his way, and then he would suddenly
come
and snatch her away, to the place or room that he had built for them at
his
fathers house, and there they would dwell for a year, for their
honeymoon.
Neither worked, for that first year was all their time to know each
other..
that is what Jesus has done for his bride as well. The wedding feast was
enjoyed by both families for up to a month as they partied and
celebrated
the
marriage.
Where did you get that from?
Studies on marriage in the Bible.
Which studies?
Mine and it started from the understanding go s messianic Jew.
So the studies were yours and not just from the Bible?
I stated right up front,, Studies on marriage in the Bible.
SO why the question?
I was really referring to the "seven years" reference. Where did thatIn those days, God pulls out that which holders back evil for those
seven
years. But these things you would never understand as you do not know
who
God is.
Cite?
oFor the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now
restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.o (2Th 2:7) >> > > > >
come from? And why would God try force people to believe a lie, as >> > > > > found elsewhere in 2 Thessalonians?
This is in reference to that.
No, vs. 7 has nothing to do with either seven years or a lie sent by
God.
God did not force anyone to believe a lie.
From vss. 11-12
11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they
will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not
believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Nothing there spoke of forcing anyone. "they all might be damned who believed >not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
What were they already doing and beleiving?
And it does have everything to do with sin ruling the world in
that 7 year period. You have read and heard
about it often enough to know that.
That actually sounds familiar to me, but I remember something like it
being in the book of Daniel, not 2 Thessalonians.
There is so much answers that God holds in his hand, but how are those
that oppose him going to hear? They canAt, they are not willing and
so
they have not the ears to hear.
Why do you believe that?
That is made most obvious by the atheist, but the same thing is
occurring
with those that believe there is a God, but they are more interested in
the
affairs of this world that they have no time for God, and or they >> > > > > > donAt
want him messing with the sins they enjoy. Some are bitter towards him
because he didnAt jump to their commands or demands.
Any examples of this?
Sure, this thread, as well as the attitudes of all atheists.
So there was an atheist in this thread who's bitter because God didn't >> > > jump to their commands? That sounds more like a theist trope than
actual reality.
There is many, and they mostly come from religious backgrounds.
How do you distinguish bitterness from just being right, logically
speaking?
<snip>
Your arguing has been the same for decades. All during that time you wereSome scholars see the destruction of Damascus as a prophecy which
was
fulfilled by the destruction of Damascus by Assyria in the 8th
century
BCE. No "time of tribulation" in the modern world needed for any of
it.
Some mistaken ones did, no doubt, but the prophecy never occurred to
the
full
discription of it such as to it was fully there when night fell and
the
next
morning it was gone, plus it will never be inhabited again was not
fulfilled.
So where does the Bible say that Damascus would never be rebuilt, or
that it fell over night?
You were given those scriptures before, would there be any difference
if
you
heard them again?
When did that supposedly happen?
They were mentioned as you were arguing about them.
As I was arguing about them? You said it had happened *before* that! >> > > >
shown things you totally dismissed, at least publicly.
Any examples? And note that "it was in this thread" or some other
broad generalization won't be sufficient.
Has this thread gone on for decades?
Who claimed that?
Has your argument changed?
What argument are you talking about?
ArenAt you diametrically opposed to the Bible, what it is
and what it stands for. the Bible is for understanding, not a point of
argument.
I'm opposed to people not properly understanding the Bible, which is
true about most Christians.
Interesting, and why would you declare such a thing?
Maybe I wasn't clear enough: Most Christians don't understand the
Bible properly -- that's what I'm opposed to. An example would be
Jesus predicting that his generation would see his return after his >> > > > > death -- Christians twist that to mean it wasn't the *generation* that
would see it, but [t]he Jewish *race* that would see it.
It was spoken to the Jews at that time, and about the definition in use at
that time.
Christians bend over backward to get the definition they want to use.
Some so-called christians do that, even the prideful ones. And the lazy ones
us AI,
So you agree that Jesus thought he would return during the lifetime of
his listeners?
When they do so they are not listening to God, donAt care about what He
thinks., and a variety of other reasons.
Those who cared to know would find out and learn. Of course, a believer
could
just ask God and the spirit of God would lead them to the truth so that
they
might see and understand.
What does that have to do with Jesus predicting his return within the
lifetime of his followers?
So mankind would know the time period. A last call understanding. The big >> > one
that ties into that is the prophecy of Joel that Peter announced at the
beginning.
That time period provided for "mankind" was clearly wrong, though.
What prophets have arisen in what you believe to be the last days?
See how that does violence to Scripture, in the name of conservative >> > > > > exegesis?
Speak in plain English please.
"Violence to Scripture" just means interpreting it in a way that's at
odds with its plain meaning, usually for some kind of personal gain.
"Conservative" just means you favor traditional interpretations of the >> > > Bible over more modern and often secular interpretations of it.
"Exegesis" just means the process of interpreting and analyzing the
Bible to better understand what it's saying.
That is the word I was asking about.
So it was the word "exegesis" that you didn't know.
It is the not what Jesus spoke about and is most typically the way of carnal
men.
It is also the way of atheist theologians.
As long as they think clearly, they're doing well, and their
description ("atheist theologians") is not an oxymoron.
God speaks to the heart of man As Jesus promised for those that believe in >> > Him and walk according to his ways.
What would limit him to "the heart"?
He also calls to those that are lost, those that seek eternal life.
Why couldn't he call those who don't seek eternal life?
Your
For the same reason you
On 9/15/2025 9:19 PM, None wrote:
On Sep 15, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a9sio$25td9$2@dont-email.me>):
On 9/15/2025 4:12 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 15:33:45 -0500, Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/14/2025 5:36 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 14:03:29 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Kenito Benito" wrote in message news:e6sack1t54ojl4vns19v1epeicph3nlddi@4ax.com...
jojo <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and
see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
you know the one thing about that which makes no sense? it makes
us all super inbred.
Something I would like to be explained is why Cain was worried someone would kill him for his murder of Abel. Since there was only
Adam, Eve and their children, who were these other people that cause
Cain to fear them?
Did the God of the Bible create other humans that he placed in other areas? He must have. But if the Bible is to be believed, there
was only Adam and Eve until they left the Garden. Then they had children.
Maybe some of the kids took off to make their way in the world. There is no mention of this, so anyone who accepts the Bible as valid
would dismiss that as a realistic possibility.
This also will mean all of Adam's and Eve's children had to procreate with their siblings.
Yes.
The negative results in incestuous offspring is well known.
That wasn't the case back then, because at the beginning there were no genetic defects to pass on. A&E had perfect genomes.
So God suspended the laws of genetics you must believe he set up? Why would any deity do such a thing, even if for the short term?
No, it's all alien mind control; why don't you understand this??! What
is wrong with you??? Let me repeat myself, except with CAPITAL letters:
NO, IT'S ALL ALIEN MIND CONTROL; WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS??! WHAT
IS WRONG WITH YOU???
Are things clear now for you?
Makes as much sense as Andrew's claim.
That you might take what I wrote seriously is what scares me!
Dawn
*** ;) everyone knows that aliens are drug traffickers who using that control steal all they can from you.
Your conjecture is in the same category, in terms of its probability of
being true, as any supernatural claims that any of the Christian
religions (or, any other religions, for that matter) are making or have
made; in fact, I would judge your aforementioned statement to be
slightly more probable than any supernatural claims, as it is at least
still within the realm of naturalism, and hence, of Nature itself
(herself.) In other words, we do not have to claim that any
conservation laws are being violated by these supposed aliens.
Dawn
"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:scrxQ.23430$7F4e.19459@fx05.ams4:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB359D30E5B5EB629555@69.80.101.20...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
"Andrew" wrote:
"None" wrote:
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see what you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by the Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries"" have been built upon the scientific method..rather than upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark landed.
If all humans came from the
Noah family where did the different
races of people come from?
Genetic diversity and geographic isolation.
There is no genetic diversity
within a family. They aall share
the SAME genes from the SAME sources.
As years and decades go on, populations
become isolated from those in other parts
of the world.
That just means a lot of people
all carry the same genes. And the
same genetic diseases.
That is where inbreeding and genetic
diseases come from.
But tell us: How could the
Noah family reproduce itself
without a WHOLE lot of incest
going on?
The same factors as existed with the
children of Adam.
What factors?
Incest is still incest.
At that time there
was genetic purity, no defects.
1) The Bible doesn't say that.
2) Then where did genetic
defects come from?
3) There was no "Cain's wife from
the land of Nod" excuse in the flood
story. Noah's children all had sex
with each other. You ocannot get
around that.
Anyone that reads these post between us can see that never happened.
That is exactly what happened. What is your reason for
attacking every point you can find in a determination made
by science?
On 9/15/25 5:13 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Yet YOU are the one who, in an attempt to divert from reality,
claims every person on Usenet, except you, are all ONE person.
It's not about me, you FuckTarded wad of snot.
Kenito Benito wrote:
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with my comment about your delusion that only >>>>you and one other person are on Usenet.
Your avoidance has failed. I suspect you are quite used to >>>>failure. But only you can really know.
So you're a fucking idiot,
You're the one who, when PROVED wrong, brought up sock puppets.
Only someone as big a fucking idiot as you would even try to divert
from the truth by claiming everyone is a sock puppet.
It's not about me.
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 12:19:49 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/10/25 3:30 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Now I know. Diversion from reality is the means you've chosen.
Even if we were to pretend I have an obsession with you, how
would it connect to your caring enough to deny the existence of those >>>>who prove you wrong? You will need to explain the mental gymnastics >>>>your mind employed to connect them.
Lol! You're not optimistic, you're delusional!
Your failure to explain is noted. To be honest, I knew you
wouldn't be able. As an early adolescence, at the oldest, you lack the >>knowledge necessary to explain your position that your delusion of my >>obsession connects to you denying the existence of those who have
proved you wrong.
The question I have for you now, that you will run away from, is,
do you honestly believe there are only two people, you and one other,
on Usenet, or are you merely trolling? I suspect it is the latter.
It's not about me
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation.
It's not
I
IPaleo anthropology is not a real science. Abiogenesis isn't
I
It is the very reason I
It is the very reason I
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:53:37 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation.
It's not
It is the very reason I keep hitting "Reply." Lying will not
change this TRUTH.
JTEM cannot testify in any court of law, state or
On 9/17/25 4:28 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with my comment about your delusion that only >>>>>>you and one other person are on Usenet.
Your avoidance has failed. I suspect you are quite used to >>>>>>failure. But only you can really know.
So you're a fucking idiot,
You're the one who, when PROVED wrong, brought up sock puppets. >>>>Only someone as big a fucking idiot as you would even try to divert >>>>from the truth by claiming everyone is a sock puppet.
It's not about me.
Ibid.
Paleo anthropology
On 9/17/25 4:28 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:52:30 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 12:19:49 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/10/25 3:30 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Now I know. Diversion from reality is the means you've chosen. >>>>>> Even if we were to pretend I have an obsession with you, how >>>>>>would it connect to your caring enough to deny the existence of those >>>>>>who prove you wrong? You will need to explain the mental gymnastics >>>>>>your mind employed to connect them.
Lol! You're not optimistic, you're delusional!
Your failure to explain is noted. To be honest, I knew you >>>>wouldn't be able. As an early adolescence, at the oldest, you lack the >>>>knowledge necessary to explain your position that your delusion of my >>>>obsession connects to you denying the existence of those who have >>>>proved you wrong.
The question I have for you now, that you will run away from, is, >>>>do you honestly believe there are only two people, you and one other, >>>>on Usenet, or are you merely trolling? I suspect it is the latter.
It's not about me
I knew you would run away from my question. And...
Ibid.
As a raging narcissist
On 9/17/25 4:29 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:53:37 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation.
It's not
It is the very reason I keep hitting "Reply." Lying will not
change this TRUTH.
Narcissism is very ugly, and you keep proving this fact.
Even if we
You
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:12:27 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with the points I raised.
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<78kbcktur2nd3o3tkt2dhsbpeln5qnura7@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4etg$krjv$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<19nackp64c7m0g727n3qil1hs4b4dq9tvq@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:22:03 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<gBbxQ.71208$qPGe.58786@fx16.ams4> wrote:
"None" wrote in message news:10a2v2e$5del$5@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question. >> > > > > > > > > >
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Exact where? Please be specific.
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but if you >really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself. Reason? You >do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
To do so I would have to re-research it all, to generate a list as I do not >keep physical records of what I have learned in the past, as the Lord >consistently gives me new insights none of which conflict with was is known, >but adds increases in the knowledge and understandings of what went before.
Given that much of what I post you is not remembered, nor honored enough to >be remembered of what value would be all this added info that you are already >opposed to and discredited even before you see it since is all 'myths'.
Are you going to address this or just continue to ignore it?
Paleo-anthropology purports to gives us "discoveries" that
agree with their a-priori philosophical script, rather than on
true, legitimate science.
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<0nkcckpiflo6noteugq1artknp6u10c85f@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4qq9$ok2p$1@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<78kbcktur2nd3o3tkt2dhsbpeln5qnura7@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4etg$krjv$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<19nackp64c7m0g727n3qil1hs4b4dq9tvq@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:22:03 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<gBbxQ.71208$qPGe.58786@fx16.ams4> wrote:
"None" wrote in message news:10a2v2e$5del$5@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses! >> > > > > > > > > >
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries"" >> > > > > > > > > > have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Exact where? Please be specific.
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but if you >> > really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself. Reason? You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
No, it is because I do not accept anything in that document
as being true unless the specific item is verified by
unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence. So
far only a few physical locations and historical figured
qualify. A very few.
Then nothing you ever say regarding it has credence. Since you lack the >knowledge of it as well as the understanding/
Also given as the City of David
has been proven and verifiably so as well as the Temple at shiloh.
Then
everything surround it must be true as well. And that is just a couple of the >finds.
To do so I would have to re-research it all, to generate a list as I do not
keep physical records of what I have learned in the past, as the Lord
consistently gives me new insights none of which conflict with was is known,
but adds increases in the knowledge and understandings of what went before.
Given that much of what I post you is not remembered, nor honored enough to
be remembered of what value would be all this added info that you are
already
opposed to and discredited even before you see it since is all 'myths'.
Yet you throw out your comment as if it is the answer to
everything rather than nothing.
It is all based on personal experiences with God, and that is nothing that >you can relate to.
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<kh2fck9ofivv9s9s7r5hnupolh1iv3ls47@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 17:24:02 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7mb2$1jtsc$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wroteNo research is necessary. You are attempting to draw
(Message-ID:<a04dcklq7pgq5grj9scpiqs00c6gi50g58@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:24:45 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qjt$12pq4$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<0nkcckpiflo6noteugq1artknp6u10c85f@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4qq9$ok2p$1@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<78kbcktur2nd3o3tkt2dhsbpeln5qnura7@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4etg$krjv$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wroteExact where? Please be specific.
(Message-ID:<19nackp64c7m0g727n3qil1hs4b4dq9tvq@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:22:03 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id >> > > > > > > > > <gBbxQ.71208$qPGe.58786@fx16.ams4> wrote:
"None" wrote in message news:10a2v2e$5del$5@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and
see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed
by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible. >> > > > > > >
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but if
you
really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself. Reason?
You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
No, it is because I do not accept anything in that document
as being true unless the specific item is verified by
unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence. So
far only a few physical locations and historical figured
qualify. A very few.
Then nothing you ever say regarding it has credence.
All I ever say is that it lacks verification. If you
disagree state why. In detail, not generalities.
Since you lack the
knowledge of it as well as the understanding/ Also given as the City of
David
has been proven and verifiably so as well as the Temple at shiloh. Then
everything surround it must be true as well.
The City of David is the ancient core of Jerusalem. As I
have stated some physical sites have been verified.
Shiloh has been positively identified with modern Khirbet
Seilun, a tell known in Modern Hebrew as Tel Shiloh. It is
located 31 kilometres (19 mi) north of Jerusalem, in the
West Bank, to the west of the modern Israeli settlement town
of Shilo and to the north of the Palestinian town of Turmus
Ayya. Another physical site that seems verified.
Such as what "around it"? The site alone says nothing about
what may or may not have occurred there.
To keep it simple, the site of the temple at Shiloh as I said before does >> > have many signs of what had occurred there. That it was a Jewish Temple, and
their practices were far different that any other religion of its Day.
I am glad to hear that you did do some limited research on these things. >>
unwarranted conclusions.
False as I told you or others here what a couple of the indicators were. They >were facts, and not conclusions drawn by me.
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<99lfcktt51al456kcih3352rs0ankitki1@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:19:19 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8b57$1nm5t$5@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<kh2fck9ofivv9s9s7r5hnupolh1iv3ls47@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 17:24:02 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7mb2$1jtsc$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<a04dcklq7pgq5grj9scpiqs00c6gi50g58@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:24:45 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qjt$12pq4$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<0nkcckpiflo6noteugq1artknp6u10c85f@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4qq9$ok2p$1@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<78kbcktur2nd3o3tkt2dhsbpeln5qnura7@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> in >> > > > > > > > > alt.atheism with message-id<10a4etg$krjv$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<19nackp64c7m0g727n3qil1hs4b4dq9tvq@4ax.com>): >> > > > > > > > > >
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:22:03 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<gBbxQ.71208$qPGe.58786@fx16.ams4> wrote:
"None" wrote in message news:10a2v2e$5del$5@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and
see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed
by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Exact where? Please be specific.
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but if
you
really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself.
Reason?
You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
No, it is because I do not accept anything in that document
as being true unless the specific item is verified by
unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence. So
far only a few physical locations and historical figured
qualify. A very few.
Then nothing you ever say regarding it has credence.
All I ever say is that it lacks verification. If you
disagree state why. In detail, not generalities.
Since you lack the
knowledge of it as well as the understanding/ Also given as the City of
David
has been proven and verifiably so as well as the Temple at shiloh. Then
everything surround it must be true as well.
The City of David is the ancient core of Jerusalem. As I
have stated some physical sites have been verified.
Shiloh has been positively identified with modern Khirbet
Seilun, a tell known in Modern Hebrew as Tel Shiloh. It is
located 31 kilometres (19 mi) north of Jerusalem, in the
West Bank, to the west of the modern Israeli settlement town
of Shilo and to the north of the Palestinian town of Turmus
Ayya. Another physical site that seems verified.
Such as what "around it"? The site alone says nothing about
what may or may not have occurred there.
To keep it simple, the site of the temple at Shiloh as I said before does
have many signs of what had occurred there. That it was a Jewish Temple,
and
their practices were far different that any other religion of its Day. >> > > >
I am glad to hear that you did do some limited research on these things.
No research is necessary. You are attempting to draw
unwarranted conclusions.
False as I told you or others here what a couple of the indicators were. >> > They
were facts, and not conclusions drawn by me.
So you say but I have yet to see any supporting evidence.
How do I know you are not lying?
When have you ever believed I was not lying and accepted what I said?
What are the "many signs"? What "occurred there"?
Go yo you tube and look for a video on the Shiloh digs and see for yourself. >Then in the comment section you can argue with them about then not seeing >what they saw.
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<fqsgcktru6f2gvs2nt5th957s410jaeue4@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:35:05 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a9f7o$21cji$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<99lfcktt51al456kcih3352rs0ankitki1@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:19:19 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8b57$1nm5t$5@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<kh2fck9ofivv9s9s7r5hnupolh1iv3ls47@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 17:24:02 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a7mb2$1jtsc$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<a04dcklq7pgq5grj9scpiqs00c6gi50g58@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:24:45 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a5qjt$12pq4$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<0nkcckpiflo6noteugq1artknp6u10c85f@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> in >> > > > > > > > > alt.atheism with message-id<10a4qq9$ok2p$1@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<78kbcktur2nd3o3tkt2dhsbpeln5qnura7@4ax.com>): >> > > > > > > > > >
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4etg$krjv$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<19nackp64c7m0g727n3qil1hs4b4dq9tvq@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 03:22:03 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<gBbxQ.71208$qPGe.58786@fx16.ams4> wrote:
"None" wrote in message news:10a2v2e$5del$5@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI
and
see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries",
followed
by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
The location of the garden of eden was at the land of four
rivers. It was next door to Persia
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Exact where? Please be specific.
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but
if
you
really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself.
Reason?
You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
No, it is because I do not accept anything in that document >> > > > > > > > > as being true unless the specific item is verified by
unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence. So >> > > > > > > > > far only a few physical locations and historical figured
qualify. A very few.
Then nothing you ever say regarding it has credence.
All I ever say is that it lacks verification. If you
disagree state why. In detail, not generalities.
Since you lack the
knowledge of it as well as the understanding/ Also given as the City
of
David
has been proven and verifiably so as well as the Temple at shiloh.
Then
everything surround it must be true as well.
The City of David is the ancient core of Jerusalem. As I
have stated some physical sites have been verified.
Shiloh has been positively identified with modern Khirbet
Seilun, a tell known in Modern Hebrew as Tel Shiloh. It is
located 31 kilometres (19 mi) north of Jerusalem, in the
West Bank, to the west of the modern Israeli settlement town
of Shilo and to the north of the Palestinian town of Turmus
Ayya. Another physical site that seems verified.
Such as what "around it"? The site alone says nothing about
what may or may not have occurred there.
To keep it simple, the site of the temple at Shiloh as I said before
does
have many signs of what had occurred there. That it was a Jewish Temple,
and
their practices were far different that any other religion of its Day.
I am glad to hear that you did do some limited research on these things.
No research is necessary. You are attempting to draw
unwarranted conclusions.
False as I told you or others here what a couple of the indicators were.
They
were facts, and not conclusions drawn by me.
So you say but I have yet to see any supporting evidence.
How do I know you are not lying?
When have you ever believed I was not lying and accepted what I said?
I have never accepted what you said unless supporting
evidence was included. Which means never.
You assert a lot but fail to back up what you say.
That is easy for you to say as you instantly reject everything.
You use your little chant prayer about proof, and call all you oppose wrong.
Even when the facts are in front of your face, because then you just turn you >head so you donAt see it.
What are the "many signs"? What "occurred there"?
Go yo you tube and look for a video on the Shiloh digs and see for yourself.
Then in the comment section you can argue with them about then not seeing >> > what they saw.
It was your assertion. You do the work.
Shows you donAt care about proofs. You run and hide from it.
On Sep 14, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote >(Message-ID:<1l6dckllqg05gg8uf0eg71jt8920j4vfs3@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:22:01 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Exact where? Please be specific.
I can go through a very extensive list in order to he thorough, but if you >> > really want to see proof of it you have to read it for yourself. Reason? You
do not accept anything I say or write as proof of anything.
To do so I would have to re-research it all, to generate a list as I do not
keep physical records of what I have learned in the past, as the Lord
consistently gives me new insights none of which conflict with was is known,
but adds increases in the knowledge and understandings of what went before.
Given that much of what I post you is not remembered, nor honored enough to
be remembered of what value would be all this added info that you are
already opposed to and discredited even before you see it since is all 'myths'.
That is a LONG way to go about admitting the answers are not in
the Bible.
That is a pure supposition and not based on reality.
To argue against something that has been scrutinized for several thousand >years, And deny all that it says without a great deal of study and research >causes one to wonder about credibility.
When one discusses things from a negative standpoint without knowledge of the >source it sets the tone of an argument, not understanding.--
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<6jlfckdlsqedsfgft1ithgd92s78a92l3f@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:20:40 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8b7n$1nm5t$6@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<ri6dckd6ppvql02dtr2qfeia5ucfdnkb4r@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Would you be so kind as to cite chapter and verse? I don't recall
anything about how animals got to other continents. All I recall
regarding the water is that it receded. But no mention of where all
this water, that covered everything, actually receded to.
Where is your proof of other continents in that day.
Pangea was a supercontinent, a single landmass of nearly all
the Earth's continents, that existed from about 335 to 200
million years ago. Also known as Pangaea, it began to break
apart around 200 million years ago due to tectonic plate
movement, a process called continental drift, which
eventually formed the continents we see today.
There were few civilizations around 200 million years ago.
The Mesopotamian civilization, centered in modern-day Iraq,
is generally considered the earliest civilization, emerging
around 4000 BCE with the Sumerians.
Where is the proof, that story is all suppositions while there is a semblance >of partial truth.
There is no written record of Pangea from that time. Funny that, yet you >believe what there is not evidence of, not verification, no witnesses of, etc >etc Nothing there meets your self imposed criteria, and no excuse is >sufficient to override your self defined proofs.
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<90tgck1mtibtpt2d9jeigb0djks76kcaoe@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 09:40:20 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a9fhk$21cji$4@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 15, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<6jlfckdlsqedsfgft1ithgd92s78a92l3f@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:20:40 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a8b7n$1nm5t$6@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 14, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<ri6dckd6ppvql02dtr2qfeia5ucfdnkb4r@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:58:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
[...]
Yes, and after the Flood humans came from where the Ark
landed.
Where did all that water go?
How did the animals get to Australia? Madagascar? The
Philippines? Japan?
This will surprise you but those answers are all in the Bible.
Would you be so kind as to cite chapter and verse? I don't recall
anything about how animals got to other continents. All I recall
regarding the water is that it receded. But no mention of where all >> > > > > this water, that covered everything, actually receded to.
Where is your proof of other continents in that day.
Pangea was a supercontinent, a single landmass of nearly all
the Earth's continents, that existed from about 335 to 200
million years ago. Also known as Pangaea, it began to break
apart around 200 million years ago due to tectonic plate
movement, a process called continental drift, which
eventually formed the continents we see today.
There were few civilizations around 200 million years ago.
The Mesopotamian civilization, centered in modern-day Iraq,
is generally considered the earliest civilization, emerging
around 4000 BCE with the Sumerians.
Where is the proof, that story is all suppositions while there is a
semblance
of partial truth.
That is the conclusion of the geological research that has
been done and is supported by majority of the scientists
involved.
There is no written record of Pangea from that time.
There was no one to write it 200 million years ago.
Funny that, yet you
believe what there is not evidence of, not verification, no witnesses of, >> > etc
etc Nothing there meets your self imposed criteria, and no excuse is
sufficient to override your self defined proofs.
How can there be a written record when there would be no one
to write it for over 190 million years?
ROTFLOL, Then where did the name come from? 2+2?
Where is all their proofs that meet your personal requirements. Like someone >who was there to witness the events?
Time did not begin before the first day.
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 01:06:13 -0700, Samuel Spade
<sam@spade.invalid> in alt.atheism with message-id
<d1tcckhnl7on9d340hb90lmnl5q97q6pbq@4ax.com> wrote:
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<sgicck9jce13c8ueuush7c3f653oshvi1h@4ax.com>):
None <none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<po9cckl3011sfgicdvb7apiadshp3afsne@4ax.com>):
Science and history support the days of creations.
LOL! It's amazing that here in the 21st century, supposed grown adults
believe in 1-week creation and The Flood. Then they try to convince >> >> > > > atheists!
Andrew & Robert, you guys are more fun than a barrel of monkeys. >> >> > >
Okay, I'll bite. I get to deny that, then you cite proof from true,
non-looney science and history sources that supports the 6 day creation,
and you can make me look like a damn fool. Ready?...
No Rob, that's false. Science and history do not support the Genesis
creation mythology.
Waiting...
So, Robster, where's the beef? My invitation sits unrequited... all you
have to do is prove science & history support creation, like you said it
does, and I will be all humble and humiliated and everything.
You can do it!
Plant life cannot survive
24 hours without the Sun.
Also false.
Then you are not knowledgeable about plant life and the total absence of >> >> Light.
Are you a biologist now? Any healthy green plant can survive 24 hours
of darkness. You could conjure up a solar eclipse that long and prove
it!
Excuse me - a solar eclipse only lasts a short time and a
total eclipse can only last minutes.
However there have been numerous occasions when the sun was
blocked for over a day - such as during some volcano
eruptions.
A magic eclipse, like the one in Luke 23, can last for 3 hours.
"44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all
the earth until the ninth hour. 45 And the sun was darkened, and the
veil of the temple was rent in the midst."
Not only that, the magic eclipse happened at the time of a full moon.
If you can do magic, reality is optional.
On 9/17/25 5:21 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
JTEM cannot testify in any court of law, state or
What I often find as the most convincing argument IN FAVOR OF a
premise would be the so called "Arguments" against it. And if
you read the so called "Studies" that refute the Mungo Man
mtDNA findings, the link to the Chromosome 11 insert, one can
only conclude that they got it absolutely right the first time.
For starters, they never even tested most of the DNA, in the
so called "Study" that pretends to refute the findings. They
merely state that they were unable to extract any DNA from the
remains.
Secondly, they claim the initial results were caused by
contamination. You know, that people carrying the mutation in
their nuclear DNA -- Chromosome 11 -- contaminated the Mungo
Man remains. But that's impossible because they are not the
same at all.
Look. The so called "Molecular Clock" is bullshit. Mutations
do happen, the more time between any two samples the more
mutations we can expect to see but it's far from "Clock like."
Anyway, a very long time separated Mungo Man from the mutation
that caused some mtDNA to leap on over to Chromosome 11. And
over the very long period of time mutations continued to
accumulate within Mungo Man and members of his population. So
the result is detectable differences between the mtDNA found
in the Mungo Man remains and the mtDNA copied over to Chromosome
11 and carried by BILLIONS of people living today.
In short:-a The Out of Africa purity scheme is just plain wrong.
It's false.
WE CAN FIND THE MUTATION INSIDE OF AFRICA!-a Which means there
had to be a migration FROM Eurasia and into Africa!
Who migrated?-a A group SIGNIFICANTLY older than any so called
"Eve" in the Out of Africa purity nonsense...
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 19:26:11 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific
paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was
created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own
standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be peers of >the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:12:27 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/17/25 4:28 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with my comment about your delusion that only >>>>>>> you and one other person are on Usenet.
Your avoidance has failed. I suspect you are quite used to
failure. But only you can really know.
So you're a fucking idiot,
You're the one who, when PROVED wrong, brought up sock puppets. >>>>> Only someone as big a fucking idiot as you would even try to divert
from the truth by claiming everyone is a sock puppet.
It's not about me.
Ibid.
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with the points I raised. Please address the
TRUTH I have exposed in regards to your deception. Unless your mind is
so underdeveloped, it's honestly impossible for you.
I find
JTEM is neverOkay, so I gave you Naledi as an example. Mungo Man, and even suggested
On 9/17/25 4:28 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 19:58:53 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/15/25 5:13 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Yet YOU are the one who, in an attempt to divert from reality, >>>>claims every person on Usenet, except you, are all ONE person.
It's not about me, you FuckTarded wad of snot.
Ibid.
Listen, you FuckTarded wad of snot
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:53:37 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation.
It's not
It is the very reason I keep hitting "Reply." Lying will not
change this TRUTH.
You're unhinged.
On 9/17/2025 3:29 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:53:37 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation.
It's not
It is the very reason I keep hitting "Reply." Lying will not
change this TRUTH.
He's just going to keep at it, and there is nothing that you can do
about it, except, to no longer respond. I have posted this before:
https://www.nasonline.org/membership/member-directory/?_member_directory_sort=last_name_asc
JTEM cannot testify in any court of law, state or federal, as he is not
an "expert witness". (Neither am I, by the way.) Any of the folks
listed above could testify, which, as I have pointed out, include >paleoanthropologists.
Dawn
P.S. JTEM is throwing his little temper tantrums. Just ignore him, and >maybe he'll go away, perhaps, out of boredom. Better yet, maybe an >authority figure in his life will be able to impose some consequences??
I realize you
What about my
I'm still
Mungo Man
On 9/18/25 2:21 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
I find
You would have to make a good faith effort at uncovering the
truth in order to "Find" anything. Thus far you've ignored
every reference only to cherry pick URLs from websites you
never read and could not possibly understand.
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:25:59 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4r1n$ok2p$2@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<3bkbckt2n02g98v0ojfg82n636bajq4q1i@4ax.com>):
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:21:10 -0700, None<none@none.non> in
alt.atheism with message-id<10a4g76$krjv$3@dont-email.me>
wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<u5sackpnt9934ek4g0drl7pub3jp2sldoh@4ax.com>):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 19:26:11 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:10a2dt4$3cj$1@dont-email.me...
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dawn Flood" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
paleo-anthropological discovery
Toss "paleo-anthropological discoveries" into Google AI and see
what
you get!
You are at a complete loss of words to answer my question.
But I hope you have a nice day.
Bye!
Here's the query, "paleo-anthropological discoveries", followed by
the
Google AI response:
Thank you Dawn. Now can you point to any specific paleo-anthropological discovery that shows that they
have enlightened us about any thing.....in your own
words?
No, but what you have done is, point us to the stories
that they told us that have deceived the gullible masses!
You cite them as if they were all truth. Not realizinng
that you have been~woefully deceived~along with all
the others!!!
You folks are so funny, and so 'easily deceived'. Lol!
Now, can you tell us...> which of their ""discoveries""
have been built upon the scientific method..rather than
upon their fantasies?
That the origins of all human beings can be traced back
to Africa, which is where the first modern humans arose.
Yes, for man was created there, back in the Garden of Eden.
Can you cite the peer reviewed evidence, or any actual evidence,
that the Garden of Eden ever existed, and that is where man was created? If not, you're just gullible, according to your own standards.
LOL, everything in the Bible is peer reviewed.
By who? Where?
By its peers wherever they dwelt or currently dwell.
Names and records please.
Its peers are peers, just like peers in psychology fields need to be peers of
the respective fields in order to understand what was written.
That is called peer review and has set rules and procedures.
With all of your pontificating here and on your blog, have you convinced anyone of anything?
On 9/18/2025 2:01 PM, JTEM wrote:
Mungo Man
It's right here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Mungo_remains
Kenito Benito wrote:
As a raging narcissist
You clearly cannot deal with reality and get very upset when you
are proved wrong beyond any possible doubt. But you're not a
narcissist.
Are you going to answer the question I asked of you, or are you
too intellectually underdeveloped to do so? We will find out.
It's not about me.
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:15:56 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/17/25 4:29 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:53:37 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation. >>>>>
It's not
It is the very reason I keep hitting "Reply." Lying will not >>>>change this TRUTH.
Narcissism is very ugly, and you keep proving this fact.
Even if we accept your claim that you're a narcissist as valid,
what does it have to do with your claim that the reason I keep hitting >>"Reply" is for a reason other than the one I cite? It looks like
you're trying to divert from the reality that you have been proved
wrong on EVERY count you've raised.
I think you will admit this, by default, in your reply by trying
to divert. Or you will run away from the truth.
How many of you are there?
On 9/18/25 3:41 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:12:27 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/17/25 4:28 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with my comment about your delusion that only >>>>>>>>you and one other person are on Usenet.
Your avoidance has failed. I suspect you are quite used to >>>>>>>>failure. But only you can really know.
So you're a fucking idiot,
You're the one who, when PROVED wrong, brought up sock puppets. >>>>>>Only someone as big a fucking idiot as you would even try to divert >>>>>>from the truth by claiming everyone is a sock puppet.
It's not about me.
Ibid.
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with the points I raised. Please address the
TRUTH I have exposed in regards to your deception. Unless your mind is
so underdeveloped, it's honestly impossible for you.
You didn't raise any points.
Who migrated?a A group SIGNIFICANTLY older than any so called
"Eve" in the Out of Africa purity nonsense...
I find your lack of coauthors disturbing.
On 9/18/2025 2:41 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:12:27 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/17/25 4:28 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with my comment about your delusion that only >>>>>>>> you and one other person are on Usenet.
Your avoidance has failed. I suspect you are quite used to >>>>>>>> failure. But only you can really know.
So you're a fucking idiot,
You're the one who, when PROVED wrong, brought up sock puppets. >>>>>> Only someone as big a fucking idiot as you would even try to divert >>>>> >from the truth by claiming everyone is a sock puppet.
It's not about me.
Ibid.
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with the points I raised. Please address the
TRUTH I have exposed in regards to your deception. Unless your mind is
so underdeveloped, it's honestly impossible for you.
Kenito,
JTEM is never going to change, and so, you might as well give up, at
least at some point in time. He is so far gone that it's just hopeless.
I doubt that any meaningful progress could be made even with a pair of
handcuffs and a wooden discipline paddle.
On 9/18/25 9:53 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
With all of your pontificating here and on your blog, have you
convinced anyone of anything?
Of course. All the time. But usenet, social media is a parade of
narcissism. Nobody admits it. But sooner or later, usually sooner,
it because their idea and they repeat what I said...
My greatest achievement of all time was a lengthy (f)Lame war
over in talk.origins where I argued that Neanderthals and so called
"Moderns" interbred, and everyone else claimed they didn't.
Even then I never doubted that others agreed with me, but were
afraid to go against GroupThink...
Anyway, despite the absolute lamest of lame "Arguments" against
me, despite the avoidance of facts and comparisons and despite my
having been proven right, nobody ever admitted it. But the all
adopted my view. All of them. Even you.
The DNA confirmed it.
On 9/18/25 9:25 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
On 9/18/2025 2:01 PM, JTEM wrote:
Mungo Man
It's right here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Mungo_remains
No it's not. Wiki isn't a cite.
What I recommended is that you read the actual claims of
refutation. Because they don't refute anything.
Then look in the article's references:
On 9/18/2025 10:44 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 9/18/25 9:53 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
With all of your pontificating here and on your blog, have you
convinced anyone of anything?
Of course. All the time. But usenet, social media is a parade of
narcissism. Nobody admits it. But sooner or later, usually sooner,
it because their idea and they repeat what I said...
My greatest achievement of all time was a lengthy (f)Lame war
over in talk.origins where I argued that Neanderthals and so called
"Moderns" interbred, and everyone else claimed they didn't.
Even then I never doubted that others agreed with me, but were
afraid to go against GroupThink...
Anyway, despite the absolute lamest of lame "Arguments" against
me, despite the avoidance of facts and comparisons and despite my
having been proven right, nobody ever admitted it. But the all
adopted my view. All of them. Even you.
The DNA confirmed it.
And, as I have already point out to you, you were not the first to
suggest this idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Interbreeding_between_archaic_and_modern_humans#History--
And, so, please take a seat!
Dawn
Thank you
Your
Your
On 9/19/25 4:16 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 07:03:51 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/18/25 3:41 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:12:27 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/17/25 4:28 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with my comment about your delusion that only >>>>>>>>>>you and one other person are on Usenet.
Your avoidance has failed. I suspect you are quite used to >>>>>>>>>>failure. But only you can really know.
So you're a fucking idiot,
You're the one who, when PROVED wrong, brought up sock puppets. >>>>>>>>Only someone as big a fucking idiot as you would even try to divert >>>>>>>>from the truth by claiming everyone is a sock puppet.
It's not about me.
Ibid.
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with the points I raised. Please address the >>>>TRUTH I have exposed in regards to your deception. Unless your mind is >>>>so underdeveloped, it's honestly impossible for you.
You didn't raise any points.
Thank you for admitting your mind is so underdeveloped, it's
honestly impossible for you to address the TRUTH I have exposed in
regards to your deception. You are commanded to continue. And you
will. You have no choice.
It's not about me
On 9/19/25 4:16 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 07:00:33 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:15:56 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/17/25 4:29 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:53:37 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation. >>>>>>>
It's not
It is the very reason I keep hitting "Reply." Lying will not >>>>>>change this TRUTH.
Narcissism is very ugly, and you keep proving this fact.
Even if we accept your claim that you're a narcissist as valid, >>>>what does it have to do with your claim that the reason I keep hitting >>>>"Reply" is for a reason other than the one I cite? It looks like
you're trying to divert from the reality that you have been proved >>>>wrong on EVERY count you've raised.
I think you will admit this, by default, in your reply by trying >>>>to divert. Or you will run away from the truth.
How many of you are there?
Your admitting that you are trying to divert from the reality
that you have been proved wrong on EVERY count you've raised is noted
and appreciated. You will continue to admit this TRUTH because I
command you to do so.
I will thank you for doing as I command without question or pause
when you do so.
It's not about me.
On 9/19/25 4:15 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 07:02:18 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenito Benito wrote:
As a raging narcissist
You clearly cannot deal with reality and get very upset when you >>>>are proved wrong beyond any possible doubt. But you're not a >>>>narcissist.
Are you going to answer the question I asked of you, or are you >>>>too intellectually underdeveloped to do so? We will find out.
It's not about me.
Your default admission that you are too intellectually
underdeveloped to answer the question is noted and appreciated. You
will continue to admit this TRUTH about yourself because I am telling
you to do so.
It's not about me.
YourIt's not about me. You're an idiot. Paleo anthropology is far
Thank you
Continue
On 9/21/25 7:27 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2025 15:43:22 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:It's not about me.
On 9/19/25 4:16 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 07:03:51 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/18/25 3:41 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:12:27 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/17/25 4:28 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with my comment about your delusion that only
you and one other person are on Usenet.
Your avoidance has failed. I suspect you are quite used to >>>>>>>>>>>>failure. But only you can really know.
So you're a fucking idiot,
You're the one who, when PROVED wrong, brought up sock puppets. >>>>>>>>>>Only someone as big a fucking idiot as you would even try to divert >>>>>>>>>>from the truth by claiming everyone is a sock puppet.
It's not about me.
Ibid.
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with the points I raised. Please address the >>>>>>TRUTH I have exposed in regards to your deception. Unless your mind is >>>>>>so underdeveloped, it's honestly impossible for you.
You didn't raise any points.
Thank you for admitting your mind is so underdeveloped, it's >>>>honestly impossible for you to address the TRUTH I have exposed in >>>>regards to your deception. You are commanded to continue. And you
will. You have no choice.
It's not about me
Your doing EXACTLY as I command without question or pause is
noted, recorded and appreciated. Continue. I command you do so, which
means you will.
On 9/21/25 7:27 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2025 15:45:12 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/25 4:16 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 07:00:33 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:15:56 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/17/25 4:29 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:53:37 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation. >>>>>>>>>
It's not
It is the very reason I keep hitting "Reply." Lying will not >>>>>>>>change this TRUTH.
Narcissism is very ugly, and you keep proving this fact.
Even if we accept your claim that you're a narcissist as valid, >>>>>>what does it have to do with your claim that the reason I keep hitting >>>>>>"Reply" is for a reason other than the one I cite? It looks like >>>>>>you're trying to divert from the reality that you have been proved >>>>>>wrong on EVERY count you've raised.
I think you will admit this, by default, in your reply by trying >>>>>>to divert. Or you will run away from the truth.
How many of you are there?
Your admitting that you are trying to divert from the reality
that you have been proved wrong on EVERY count you've raised is noted >>>>and appreciated. You will continue to admit this TRUTH because I >>>>command you to do so.
I will thank you for doing as I command without question or pause >>>>when you do so.
It's not about me.
Thank you for doing as I command without question or pause. I
command that you continue. And you will because I am commanding you to
do so. You are unable to resist following my commands.
It's not about me.
Again you
INobody cares. Paleo anthropology is NOT a real science.
On Sun, 21 Sep 2025 13:28:13 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/21/25 7:27 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2025 15:45:12 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/25 4:16 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 07:00:33 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:15:56 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/17/25 4:29 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:53:37 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation.
It's not
It is the very reason I keep hitting "Reply." Lying will not change this TRUTH.
Narcissism is very ugly, and you keep proving this fact.
Even if we accept your claim that you're a narcissist as valid, what does it have to do with your claim that the reason I keep hitting
"Reply" is for a reason other than the one I cite? It looks like you're trying to divert from the reality that you have been proved
wrong on EVERY count you've raised.
I think you will admit this, by default, in your reply by trying to divert. Or you will run away from the truth.
How many of you are there?
Your admitting that you are trying to divert from the reality
that you have been proved wrong on EVERY count you've raised is noted and appreciated. You will continue to admit this TRUTH because I command you to do so.
I will thank you for doing as I command without question or pause when you do so.
It's not about me.
Thank you for doing as I command without question or pause. I
command that you continue. And you will because I am commanding you to
do so. You are unable to resist following my commands.
It's not about me.
Ibid.
Kenito Benito wrote:
Again you
It's not about me. Paleo anthropology is NOT a real science.
On 9/19/25 2:17 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
On 9/18/2025 10:44 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 9/18/25 9:53 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
With all of your pontificating here and on your blog, have you
convinced anyone of anything?
Of course. All the time. But usenet, social media is a parade of
narcissism. Nobody admits it. But sooner or later, usually sooner,
it because their idea and they repeat what I said...
My greatest achievement of all time was a lengthy (f)Lame war
over in talk.origins where I argued that Neanderthals and so called
"Moderns" interbred, and everyone else claimed they didn't.
Even then I never doubted that others agreed with me, but were
afraid to go against GroupThink...
Anyway, despite the absolute lamest of lame "Arguments" against
me, despite the avoidance of facts and comparisons and despite my
having been proven right, nobody ever admitted it. But the all
adopted my view. All of them. Even you.
The DNA confirmed it.
And, as I have already point out to you, you were not the first to
suggest this idea:
Oo!-a Yes, of course; you are retarded! For real. You are incapable
of deconstructing problems/issues and conceiving tests.
This is science, you drool soaked buffoon!-a "First" isn't relevant
with the sole exception of NAMING protocols. That's it. What matters
is ACCURACY.
The FIRST people to believe that Neanderthals were ancestors lived
back when Neanderthals were first discovered!-a There's NEVER been a
time when people didn't believe that Neanderthals were ancestors.
The issue here, you blithering idiot, is whether you blithering idiots
are even capable of thought or if you merely regurgitate what you
perceive as the POPULAR answer. And you continuously prove that you
are incapable of thought.
I have a documented history, here on usenet, of ignoring headlines,
delving into the arguments and coming to my own determinations. You
have a history of displaying discomfort at such behaviors.
Congratulations. At least you're consistent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Interbreeding_between_archaic_and_modern_humans#History
And, so, please take a seat!
Dawn
On 9/21/25 7:27 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
-a-a-a-a-a Continue
Paleo anthropology is not a real science. You need to take your meds
and ask your care giver to walk you through the steps here,
determining WHAT makes a real science "Real."
On 9/19/25 2:21 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Then look in the article's references:
So what you are literally telling me is that you're such a goddamn narcissist, so utterly convinced of your own worthlessness that
you have to over compensate by objecting, but at the same time you
dare not pin down an opinion. No, I have to read a page that isn't
a cite, go through the articles it lists as cites and then guess at
what you think.
Wow. That's fucking PATHETIC!
You go read the claims of refutation. I explained to you what to
look for. You will see what I told you to look for. You may even
grasp my point.
You may. You-a /May/. Though best to reduce our expectations...
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2025 13:27:31 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/21/25 7:27 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2025 15:43:22 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:It's not about me.
On 9/19/25 4:16 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 07:03:51 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/18/25 3:41 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:12:27 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 9/17/25 4:28 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with my comment about your delusion that only
you and one other person are on Usenet.
Your avoidance has failed. I suspect you are quite used to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>failure. But only you can really know.
So you're a fucking idiot,
You're the one who, when PROVED wrong, brought up sock puppets.
Only someone as big a fucking idiot as you would even try to divert >>>>>>>>>>>>from the truth by claiming everyone is a sock puppet.
It's not about me.
Ibid.
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with the points I raised. Please address the >>>>>>>>TRUTH I have exposed in regards to your deception. Unless your mind is >>>>>>>>so underdeveloped, it's honestly impossible for you.
You didn't raise any points.
Thank you for admitting your mind is so underdeveloped, it's >>>>>>honestly impossible for you to address the TRUTH I have exposed in >>>>>>regards to your deception. You are commanded to continue. And you >>>>>>will. You have no choice.
It's not about me
Your doing EXACTLY as I command without question or pause is >>>>noted, recorded and appreciated. Continue. I command you do so, which >>>>means you will.
Again you PROVE you MUST do as I command without question or
pause. You will continue. I command it.
It's not about me.
On 9/22/25 3:38 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2025 13:28:13 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/21/25 7:27 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2025 15:45:12 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/25 4:16 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 07:00:33 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:15:56 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 9/17/25 4:29 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:53:37 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation.
It's not
It is the very reason I keep hitting "Reply." Lying will not >>>>>>>>>>change this TRUTH.
Narcissism is very ugly, and you keep proving this fact.
Even if we accept your claim that you're a narcissist as valid, >>>>>>>>what does it have to do with your claim that the reason I keep hitting >>>>>>>>"Reply" is for a reason other than the one I cite? It looks like >>>>>>>>you're trying to divert from the reality that you have been proved >>>>>>>>wrong on EVERY count you've raised.
I think you will admit this, by default, in your reply by trying >>>>>>>>to divert. Or you will run away from the truth.
How many of you are there?
Your admitting that you are trying to divert from the reality >>>>>>that you have been proved wrong on EVERY count you've raised is noted >>>>>>and appreciated. You will continue to admit this TRUTH because I >>>>>>command you to do so.
I will thank you for doing as I command without question or pause >>>>>>when you do so.
It's not about me.
Thank you for doing as I command without question or pause. I >>>>command that you continue. And you will because I am commanding you to >>>>do so. You are unable to resist following my commands.
It's not about me.
Ibid.
Nobody cares.
On Sep 22, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote >(Message-ID:<e7v1dktpa89o65vle96mclukhgbrful6sj@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 21 Sep 2025 13:28:13 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/21/25 7:27 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2025 15:45:12 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/25 4:16 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 07:00:33 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:15:56 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/17/25 4:29 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:53:37 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation.
It's not
It is the very reason I keep hitting "Reply." Lying will not >> > > > > > > > > change this TRUTH.
Narcissism is very ugly, and you keep proving this fact.
Even if we accept your claim that you're a narcissist as valid, >> > > > > > > what does it have to do with your claim that the reason I keep hitting
"Reply" is for a reason other than the one I cite? It looks like >> > > > > > > you're trying to divert from the reality that you have been proved
wrong on EVERY count you've raised.
I think you will admit this, by default, in your reply by trying >> > > > > > > to divert. Or you will run away from the truth.
How many of you are there?
Your admitting that you are trying to divert from the reality
that you have been proved wrong on EVERY count you've raised is noted
and appreciated. You will continue to admit this TRUTH because I
command you to do so.
I will thank you for doing as I command without question or pause
when you do so.
It's not about me.
Thank you for doing as I command without question or pause. I
command that you continue. And you will because I am commanding you to >> > > do so. You are unable to resist following my commands.
It's not about me.
Ibid.
How come you never declare how much you bid for anything?
On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:41:29 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2025 13:27:31 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/21/25 7:27 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2025 15:43:22 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:It's not about me.
On 9/19/25 4:16 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 07:03:51 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 9/18/25 3:41 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:12:27 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On 9/17/25 4:28 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
It's not about me.Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with my comment about your delusion that only
you and one other person are on Usenet.
Your avoidance has failed. I suspect you are quite used to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure. But only you can really know.
So you're a fucking idiot,
You're the one who, when PROVED wrong, brought up sock puppets.
Only someone as big a fucking idiot as you would even try to divert
from the truth by claiming everyone is a sock puppet. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Ibid.
Paleo anthropology
Has NOTHING to do with the points I raised. Please address the >>>>>>>>> TRUTH I have exposed in regards to your deception. Unless your mind is
so underdeveloped, it's honestly impossible for you.
You didn't raise any points.
Thank you for admitting your mind is so underdeveloped, it's >>>>>>> honestly impossible for you to address the TRUTH I have exposed in >>>>>>> regards to your deception. You are commanded to continue. And you >>>>>>> will. You have no choice.
It's not about me
Your doing EXACTLY as I command without question or pause is
noted, recorded and appreciated. Continue. I command you do so, which >>>>> means you will.
Again you PROVE you MUST do as I command without question or
pause. You will continue. I command it.
It's not about me.
Again you PROVE you MUST do as I command without question or
pause. You will continue. I command it.
On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 10:09:55 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 22, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<e7v1dktpa89o65vle96mclukhgbrful6sj@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 21 Sep 2025 13:28:13 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/21/25 7:27 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2025 15:45:12 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/25 4:16 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 07:00:33 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:15:56 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/17/25 4:29 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:53:37 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation.
It's not
It is the very reason I keep hitting "Reply." Lying will not
change this TRUTH.
Narcissism is very ugly, and you keep proving this fact.
Even if we accept your claim that you're a narcissist as valid,
what does it have to do with your claim that the reason I keep
hitting
"Reply" is for a reason other than the one I cite? It looks like
you're trying to divert from the reality that you have been proved
wrong on EVERY count you've raised.
I think you will admit this, by default, in your reply by trying
to divert. Or you will run away from the truth.
How many of you are there?
Your admitting that you are trying to divert from the reality that you have been proved wrong on EVERY count you've raised is noted
and appreciated. You will continue to admit this TRUTH because I command you to do so.
I will thank you for doing as I command without question or pause when you do so.
It's not about me.
Thank you for doing as I command without question or pause. I
command that you continue. And you will because I am commanding you to
do so. You are unable to resist following my commands.
It's not about me.
Ibid.
How come you never declare how much you bid for anything?
I do hope you're making a weak joke. It's difficult to get past
eighth grade without knowing about ibidem.
It's not about me.Thank you for admitting your mind is so underdeveloped, it's >>>>>>>> honestly impossible for you to address the TRUTH I have exposed in >>>>>>>> regards to your deception. You are commanded to continue. And you >>>>>>>> will. You have no choice.
It's not about me
Your doing EXACTLY as I command without question or pause is
noted, recorded and appreciated. Continue. I command you do so, which >>>>>> means you will.
Again you PROVE you MUST do as I command without question or
pause. You will continue. I command it.
It's not about me.
Again you PROVE you MUST do as I command without question or
pause. You will continue. I command it.
I love a man who doesn't wear out!!
On Sep 23, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote >(Message-ID:<q4m4dkdjhgf2ar2pfdv7esd2ueo1ekncvk@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 10:09:55 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 22, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote
(Message-ID:<e7v1dktpa89o65vle96mclukhgbrful6sj@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 21 Sep 2025 13:28:13 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/21/25 7:27 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2025 15:45:12 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >
On 9/19/25 4:16 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 07:00:33 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:15:56 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/17/25 4:29 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:Even if we accept your claim that you're a narcissist as valid,
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:53:37 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation.
It's not
It is the very reason I keep hitting "Reply." Lying will not
change this TRUTH.
Narcissism is very ugly, and you keep proving this fact. >> > > > > > > > >
what does it have to do with your claim that the reason I keep
hitting
"Reply" is for a reason other than the one I cite? It looks like
you're trying to divert from the reality that you have been proved
wrong on EVERY count you've raised.
I think you will admit this, by default, in your reply by trying
to divert. Or you will run away from the truth.
How many of you are there?
Your admitting that you are trying to divert from the reality
that you have been proved wrong on EVERY count you've raised is noted
and appreciated. You will continue to admit this TRUTH because I >> > > > > > > command you to do so.
I will thank you for doing as I command without question or pause
when you do so.
It's not about me.
Thank you for doing as I command without question or pause. I
command that you continue. And you will because I am commanding you to
do so. You are unable to resist following my commands.
It's not about me.
Ibid.
How come you never declare how much you bid for anything?
I do hope you're making a weak joke. It's difficult to get past
eighth grade without knowing about ibidem.
It is not often used word, generally used out of extreme laziness by pompous >people.
Yes, I made light of it,
for the very reason I just gave. saying that at an
auction and they would toss you out on your ear, ;)
I can also assure you that in grammar school that word was never used,
unless, perhaps in some religious school.
I would love to see you in a
teachers quiz or test answer some of their questions with that answer.
On Tue, 23 Sep 2025 18:11:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 23, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<q4m4dkdjhgf2ar2pfdv7esd2ueo1ekncvk@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 10:09:55 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:
On Sep 22, 2025, Kenito Benito wrote (Message-ID:<e7v1dktpa89o65vle96mclukhgbrful6sj@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 21 Sep 2025 13:28:13 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/21/25 7:27 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2025 15:45:12 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/25 4:16 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 07:00:33 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:15:56 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/17/25 4:29 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:53:37 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 9/11/25 4:17 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
Why do you keep hitting "Reply?"
For the same reason you likely do. To continue the conversation.
It's not
It is the very reason I keep hitting "Reply." Lying will not
change this TRUTH.
Narcissism is very ugly, and you keep proving this fact.
Even if we accept your claim that you're a narcissist as valid,
what does it have to do with your claim that the reason I keep
hitting
"Reply" is for a reason other than the one I cite? It looks like
you're trying to divert from the reality that you have been proved
wrong on EVERY count you've raised.
I think you will admit this, by default, in your reply by trying
to divert. Or you will run away from the truth.
How many of you are there?
Your admitting that you are trying to divert from the reality that you have been proved wrong on EVERY count you've raised is noted
and appreciated. You will continue to admit this TRUTH because I
command you to do so.
I will thank you for doing as I command without question or pause
when you do so.
It's not about me.
Thank you for doing as I command without question or pause. I command that you continue. And you will because I am commanding you to
do so. You are unable to resist following my commands.
It's not about me.
Ibid.
How come you never declare how much you bid for anything?
I do hope you're making a weak joke. It's difficult to get past
eighth grade without knowing about ibidem.
It is not often used word, generally used out of extreme laziness by pompous
people.
It is a common term used when a cite has already been presented.
Yes, I made light of it,
No, you expressed your lack of understanding/education. Nothing
more.
for the very reason I just gave. saying that at an
auction and they would toss you out on your ear, ;)
Another lame joke.
Not to suggest my jokes are any better.
I can also assure you that in grammar school that word was never used,
It was when I was young. And each of my children learned of it
when being taught the different means of citing sources. Each learned
in eighth grade. I first learned of it outside of school when I was
around 12. But I was 13 or 14 when it was taught to me, and the rest
of the class, in school.
unless, perhaps in some religious school.
It is very probable it is taught in religious schools as well.
But I never attended one. My children attended public school.
I would love to see you in a
teachers quiz or test answer some of their questions with that answer.
You surely did see such questions, though I wasn't involved. It's
not as if the education system made special curriculum for me and/or
my children, forcing others in their classes to learn as well.
It is far more probable that you either forgot what you were
taught, or you were in a special class for those with learning
disabilities and not taught. It's not possible for me to know which is
the case, though your posts make me think it's the former.