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With blocks weighing as much as 80 tons, the lighthouse of
Alexandria turns out to have been quite heavy:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/lighthouse-of-alexandria-remains
The lighthouse of Alexandria occupies a very odd place in our
understanding of the world. I mean, it's pure legend yet historical
fact. At least we assume it's historical fact.
It's not like these stones are marked "Property of the Lighthouse
of Alexandria. If found, please return to the Lighthouse of
Alexandria."
It's kind of circular:-a We believe there was a lighthouse hence
anything we pull up is a piece of the lighthouse, and the piece
of the lighthouse confirms the existence of the lighthouse...
which is what identified the blocks as pieces of the lighthouse
that they confirm...
How do we really know what is legend and what is not?
Well. In this case, the story lacks magic. Lighthouses are
known, even from ancient times, and nobody attributes gods or
UFOs or unicorns to it so, what's not to believe?
At the same time the colossus of Rhodes is considered history
not mythology, with lots of statues known from ancient times,
but clearly many (most?) of the depictions are impossible.
Check out the image on this Wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Rhodes
No question here:-a THAT is myth and not history!
A statue? A really big statue? Sure. Why not. But clearly NOT
that statue or anything like it....
There seems very little dividing our "History" from myth.
On 7/10/2025 7:54 AM, JTEM wrote:[...]
The lighthouse of Alexandria
At the same time the colossus of Rhodes
Oh, a single example proves your point
With blocks weighing as much as 80 tons, the lighthouse of
Alexandria turns out to have been quite heavy:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/lighthouse-of-alexandria-remains
The lighthouse of Alexandria occupies a very odd place in our
understanding of the world. I mean, it's pure legend yet historical
fact. At least we assume it's historical fact.
It's not like these stones are marked "Property of the Lighthouse
of Alexandria. If found, please return to the Lighthouse of
Alexandria."
It's kind of circular:-a We believe there was a lighthouse hence
anything we pull up is a piece of the lighthouse, and the piece
of the lighthouse confirms the existence of the lighthouse...
which is what identified the blocks as pieces of the lighthouse
that they confirm...
How do we really know what is legend and what is not?
Well. In this case, the story lacks magic. Lighthouses are
known, even from ancient times, and nobody attributes gods or
UFOs or unicorns to it so, what's not to believe?
At the same time the colossus of Rhodes is considered history
not mythology, with lots of statues known from ancient times,
but clearly many (most?) of the depictions are impossible.
Check out the image on this Wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Rhodes
No question here:-a THAT is myth and not history!
A statue? A really big statue? Sure. Why not. But clearly NOT
that statue or anything like it....
There seems very little dividing our "History" from myth.
those were the classic 7 wonders right?
i think we should have a rhodes
type statue built where ships sail beneath its crotch.
i think bravos was inspired rhodes. free city of bravos, there will be a space colony named bravos some day.
On 7/10/25 9:28 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/10/2025 7:54 AM, JTEM wrote:
[...]The lighthouse of Alexandria
At the same time the colossus of Rhodes
Oh, a single example proves your point
Half a sentence, and you proved my point about you.
Listen
On 7/10/2025 11:09 AM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/10/25 9:28 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/10/2025 7:54 AM, JTEM wrote:[...]
The lighthouse of Alexandria
At the same time the colossus of Rhodes
Oh, a single example proves your point
Half a sentence, and you proved my point about you.
Listen, if you have a problem with a Wikipedia article, do NOT post
about it on alt.atheism!-a Okay?-a We can't do anything about it here. Instead, go to the talk page of the article, and post your comments
(crap) there, or, edit the "offending" material and fight the edit war
as needed!!-a Just be sure to have your scholarly references ready & available!
Dawn
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/10/2025 11:09 AM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/10/25 9:28 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/10/2025 7:54 AM, JTEM wrote:[...]
The lighthouse of Alexandria
At the same time the colossus of Rhodes
Oh, a single example proves your point
Half a sentence, and you proved my point about you.
Listen, if you have a problem with a Wikipedia article, do NOT post
about it on alt.atheism!-a Okay?-a We can't do anything about it here.
Instead, go to the talk page of the article, and post your comments
(crap) there, or, edit the "offending" material and fight the edit war
as needed!!-a Just be sure to have your scholarly references ready &
available!
Dawn
who made you boss of what's done here ,
first off you're a woman so you get ignored right off the top
On 7/10/25 6:07 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Listen
You couldn't count, or when you tried you couldn't make it
as high as two. And now you want me to listen to you?
I'd rather go "Listen" to melodies gently wafting from the
further side of the Men's Room door at an all-you-can-eat
Mexican buffet.
Don't take it personal. Or do. I don't care.
On 7/10/2025 6:03 PM, % wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/10/2025 11:09 AM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/10/25 9:28 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/10/2025 7:54 AM, JTEM wrote:[...]
The lighthouse of Alexandria
At the same time the colossus of Rhodes
Oh, a single example proves your point
Half a sentence, and you proved my point about you.
Listen, if you have a problem with a Wikipedia article, do NOT post
about it on alt.atheism!-a Okay?-a We can't do anything about it here.
Instead, go to the talk page of the article, and post your comments
(crap) there, or, edit the "offending" material and fight the edit
war as needed!!-a Just be sure to have your scholarly references ready
& available!
Dawn
who made you boss of what's done here ,
first off you're a woman so you get ignored right off the top
Yes, thank you so very much for putting me in my place!!
Dawn
I don't care
On 7/10/2025 5:28 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/10/25 6:07 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Listen
You couldn't count, or when you tried you couldn't make it
as high as two. And now you want me to listen to you?
I'd rather go "Listen" to melodies gently wafting from the
further side of the Men's Room door at an all-you-can-eat
Mexican buffet.
Don't take it personal. Or do. I don't care.
I don't care, either; I don't think that anyone else on alt.atheism
does, either.-a Just stick to alt.paranormal, and we'll get along just fine!!
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/10/2025 6:03 PM, % wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/10/2025 11:09 AM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/10/25 9:28 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/10/2025 7:54 AM, JTEM wrote:[...]
The lighthouse of Alexandria
At the same time the colossus of Rhodes
Oh, a single example proves your point
Half a sentence, and you proved my point about you.
Listen, if you have a problem with a Wikipedia article, do NOT post
about it on alt.atheism!-a Okay?-a We can't do anything about it here. >>>> Instead, go to the talk page of the article, and post your comments
(crap) there, or, edit the "offending" material and fight the edit
war as needed!!-a Just be sure to have your scholarly references
ready & available!
Dawn
who made you boss of what's done here ,
first off you're a woman so you get ignored right off the top
Yes, thank you so very much for putting me in my place!!
Dawn
your welcome it's only natural you get that way ,
it comes from having babies and raising children and ,
life in the kitchen where you do your best work
-aDawn Flood wrote:
I don't care
You're shitting yourself because I talked about discerning
history from mythology. You were in such a state that you
couldn't even manage to count as high as two, insisting
that I presented one example.
You care. You're hysterical with caring.
Why were you triggered about a discussion on discerning
history from mythology?
On 7/11/2025 2:30 PM, % wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/10/2025 6:03 PM, % wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/10/2025 11:09 AM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/10/25 9:28 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/10/2025 7:54 AM, JTEM wrote:[...]
The lighthouse of Alexandria
At the same time the colossus of Rhodes
Oh, a single example proves your point
Half a sentence, and you proved my point about you.
Listen, if you have a problem with a Wikipedia article, do NOT post >>>>> about it on alt.atheism!-a Okay?-a We can't do anything about it
here. Instead, go to the talk page of the article, and post your
comments (crap) there, or, edit the "offending" material and fight
the edit war as needed!!-a Just be sure to have your scholarly
references ready & available!
Dawn
who made you boss of what's done here ,
first off you're a woman so you get ignored right off the top
Yes, thank you so very much for putting me in my place!!
Dawn
your welcome it's only natural you get that way ,
it comes from having babies and raising children and ,
life in the kitchen where you do your best work
LOL!
Dawn
P.S.-a I do love children, and I do love to cook!!
Are you an historian?
On 7/11/25 8:04 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Are you an historian?
What answers can alter the fact that you wet yourself over
a discussion on discerning history from mythology?
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:46:38 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<104siae$1q7bq$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/11/25 8:04 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Are you an historian?
What answers can alter the fact that you wet yourself over
a discussion on discerning history from mythology?
Often mythology is based on history but the difference is
that history has multiple verifying sources or actual
tangible evidence. Mythology is just mythology.
Troy is a good example. It was mythology until the actual
city was found. Of course, the events mythology says
occurred there are still mythology since there is no
evidence they actually occurred.
On 7/15/2025 8:26 AM, Attila wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:46:38 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<104siae$1q7bq$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/11/25 8:04 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Are you an historian?
What answers can alter the fact that you wet yourself over
a discussion on discerning history from mythology?
Often mythology is based on history but the difference is
that history has multiple verifying sources or actual
tangible evidence.-a Mythology is just mythology.
Troy is a good example.-a It was mythology until the actual
city was found.-a Of course, the events mythology says
occurred there are still mythology since there is no
evidence they actually occurred.
Yes, the conversations in Homer between the Gods on Mount Olympus must
be regarded as being mythological, at least until good evidence presents itself to suggest otherwise.
Dawn
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/15/2025 8:26 AM, Attila wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:46:38 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<104siae$1q7bq$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/11/25 8:04 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Are you an historian?
What answers can alter the fact that you wet yourself over
a discussion on discerning history from mythology?
Often mythology is based on history but the difference is
that history has multiple verifying sources or actual
tangible evidence.-a Mythology is just mythology.
Troy is a good example.-a It was mythology until the actual
city was found.-a Of course, the events mythology says
occurred there are still mythology since there is no
evidence they actually occurred.
Yes, the conversations in Homer between the Gods on Mount Olympus must
be regarded as being mythological, at least until good evidence
presents itself to suggest otherwise.
Dawn
in your opinion at least until good evidence presents
itself to suggest otherwise.
On 7/15/2025 12:34 PM, % wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/15/2025 8:26 AM, Attila wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:46:38 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<104siae$1q7bq$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/11/25 8:04 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Are you an historian?
What answers can alter the fact that you wet yourself over
a discussion on discerning history from mythology?
Often mythology is based on history but the difference is
that history has multiple verifying sources or actual
tangible evidence.-a Mythology is just mythology.
Troy is a good example.-a It was mythology until the actual
city was found.-a Of course, the events mythology says
occurred there are still mythology since there is no
evidence they actually occurred.
Yes, the conversations in Homer between the Gods on Mount Olympus
must be regarded as being mythological, at least until good evidence
presents itself to suggest otherwise.
Dawn
in your opinion at least until good evidence presents
itself to suggest otherwise.
What's the alternative?-a If a student wishes to believe that the South
won the American Civil War, then that is their right!-a They are even
free to argue for their position.
On 7/15/2025 8:26 AM, Attila wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:46:38 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<104siae$1q7bq$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/11/25 8:04 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Are you an historian?
What answers can alter the fact that you wet yourself over
a discussion on discerning history from mythology?
Often mythology is based on history but the difference is
that history has multiple verifying sources or actual
tangible evidence. Mythology is just mythology.
Troy is a good example. It was mythology until the actual
city was found. Of course, the events mythology says
occurred there are still mythology since there is no
evidence they actually occurred.
Yes, the conversations in Homer between the Gods on Mount Olympus must
be regarded as being mythological, at least until good evidence presents >itself to suggest otherwise.
Dawn
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 12:30:22 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <105637c$6v72$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/15/2025 8:26 AM, Attila wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:46:38 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<104siae$1q7bq$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/11/25 8:04 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Are you an historian?
What answers can alter the fact that you wet yourself over
a discussion on discerning history from mythology?
Often mythology is based on history but the difference is
that history has multiple verifying sources or actual
tangible evidence. Mythology is just mythology.
Troy is a good example. It was mythology until the actual
city was found. Of course, the events mythology says
occurred there are still mythology since there is no
evidence they actually occurred.
Yes, the conversations in Homer between the Gods on Mount Olympus must
be regarded as being mythological, at least until good evidence presents
itself to suggest otherwise.
Dawn
Exactly the same can be said about any communication of any
kind involving any god. There is no supporting evidence for
any of them therefore they are all equally plausible. Or
implausible.
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/15/2025 12:34 PM, % wrote:which has nothing to do with the original topic here ,
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/15/2025 8:26 AM, Attila wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:46:38 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<104siae$1q7bq$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/11/25 8:04 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Are you an historian?
What answers can alter the fact that you wet yourself over
a discussion on discerning history from mythology?
Often mythology is based on history but the difference is
that history has multiple verifying sources or actual
tangible evidence.-a Mythology is just mythology.
Troy is a good example.-a It was mythology until the actual
city was found.-a Of course, the events mythology says
occurred there are still mythology since there is no
evidence they actually occurred.
Yes, the conversations in Homer between the Gods on Mount Olympus
must be regarded as being mythological, at least until good evidence
presents itself to suggest otherwise.
Dawn
in your opinion at least until good evidence presents
itself to suggest otherwise.
What's the alternative?-a If a student wishes to believe that the South
won the American Civil War, then that is their right!-a They are even
free to argue for their position.
we aren't students and my country has never had a north / south war
On 7/15/2025 3:28 PM, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 12:30:22 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<105637c$6v72$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/15/2025 8:26 AM, Attila wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:46:38 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<104siae$1q7bq$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/11/25 8:04 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Are you an historian?
What answers can alter the fact that you wet yourself over
a discussion on discerning history from mythology?
Often mythology is based on history but the difference is
that history has multiple verifying sources or actual
tangible evidence. Mythology is just mythology.
Troy is a good example. It was mythology until the actual
city was found. Of course, the events mythology says
occurred there are still mythology since there is no
evidence they actually occurred.
Yes, the conversations in Homer between the Gods on Mount Olympus must
be regarded as being mythological, at least until good evidence presents >>> itself to suggest otherwise.
Dawn
Exactly the same can be said about any communication of any
kind involving any god. There is no supporting evidence for
any of them therefore they are all equally plausible. Or
implausible.
For me, the latter.
Dawn
On 7/15/2025 3:28 PM, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 12:30:22 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<105637c$6v72$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/15/2025 8:26 AM, Attila wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:46:38 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<104siae$1q7bq$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/11/25 8:04 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Are you an historian?
What answers can alter the fact that you wet yourself over
a discussion on discerning history from mythology?
Often mythology is based on history but the difference is
that history has multiple verifying sources or actual
tangible evidence.-a Mythology is just mythology.
Troy is a good example.-a It was mythology until the actual
city was found.-a Of course, the events mythology says
occurred there are still mythology since there is no
evidence they actually occurred.
Yes, the conversations in Homer between the Gods on Mount Olympus must
be regarded as being mythological, at least until good evidence presents >>> itself to suggest otherwise.
Dawn
Exactly the same can be said about any communication of any
kind involving any god.-a There is no supporting evidence for
any of them therefore they are all equally plausible.-a Or
implausible.
For me, the latter.
Dawn
On 7/15/2025 12:41 PM, % wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/15/2025 12:34 PM, % wrote:which has nothing to do with the original topic here ,
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/15/2025 8:26 AM, Attila wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:46:38 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<104siae$1q7bq$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/11/25 8:04 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Are you an historian?
What answers can alter the fact that you wet yourself over
a discussion on discerning history from mythology?
Often mythology is based on history but the difference is
that history has multiple verifying sources or actual
tangible evidence.-a Mythology is just mythology.
Troy is a good example.-a It was mythology until the actual
city was found.-a Of course, the events mythology says
occurred there are still mythology since there is no
evidence they actually occurred.
Yes, the conversations in Homer between the Gods on Mount Olympus
must be regarded as being mythological, at least until good
evidence presents itself to suggest otherwise.
Dawn
in your opinion at least until good evidence presents
itself to suggest otherwise.
What's the alternative?-a If a student wishes to believe that the
South won the American Civil War, then that is their right!-a They are
even free to argue for their position.
we aren't students and my country has never had a north / south war
With respect to United States history, the South lost the Civil, the
United States of America having been victorious in that conflict.-a Of course, if anyone, student or otherwise, wishes to believe in the alternative, such is their prerogative.
Often mythology is based on history
but the difference is
that history has multiple verifying sources or actual
tangible evidence.
Troy is a good example. It was mythology until the actual
city was found.
Yes, the conversations in Homer between the Gods on Mount Olympus must
be regarded as being mythological,
On 7/15/25 1:30 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Yes, the conversations in Homer between the Gods on Mount Olympus must
be regarded as being mythological,
"Troy is real despite deities and magic, and the bible isn't because
of deities and magic."
Morons say the darnedest things...
On 7/15/25 9:26 AM, Attila wrote:
Often mythology is based on history
Really? How often? Give us four or five examples, or is that
"Too Often" for 5,000 years of written history?
but the difference is
that history has multiple verifying sources or actual
tangible evidence.
We are NOT speaking in the abstract here. I gave examples you
didn't like them: Why? What was your problem?
Give is your examples.
Troy is a good example. It was mythology until the actual
city was found.
Wrong.
There's no "Welcome to Troy" sign and MULTIPLE location had
previously been identified.
There's no only source, which contradicts what you previously
said.
"Multiple verifiable courses," you just said, and there's only
one for Troy. AND it includes gods. Are the ancient Greek gods
real? What about the magic in the story? Is that real too?
You failed your own test, just like all fake atheists and skeptics.
Anyone can go
there and see it for themselves with pictures to prove it.
On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 17:40:14 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
Really? How often? Give us four or five examples, or is that
"Too Often" for 5,000 years of written history?
Research it for yourself. Troy is only the best known
example.
The problem is that I see no such examples here.
Attila wrote:
> Troy is real because it physically exists.
"Troy" the label applied to a bunch of rocks someone dug up?
It's like pretending that "The Headless Horseman" is real
because you can find Sleepy Hallow in Google Maps!
There is NOTHING that applies the name "Troy" to the pile
of rocks until a known fraud started digging there.
Anyone can go
there and see it for themselves with pictures to prove it.
To prove... what? There's some rocks there? It was a tel.
It was a tel a thousand years ago. You want to find an
ancient city, look for a tel!
There' no "Welcome" to Troy but there's other places identified
as "Troy" before the one you're attributing to a story that is
pure mythology.
Calling Troy "Real" is saying that the bible is real, because
you can find places with the same names...
Attila wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 17:40:14 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
Really? How often? Give us four or five examples, or is that
"Too Often" for 5,000 years of written history?
Research it for yourself. Troy is only the best known
example.
If Troy is real then so isn't the bible.
You can find places with the same names as are in the bible,
so the bible is real...
--The problem is that I see no such examples here.
Especially not Troy, obviously.
You need to cherry pick your rules, apply them in way that
allows you to pretend you're rational. But you're not.
You believe in fairtales!
On 7/15/2025 12:41 PM, % wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/15/2025 12:34 PM, % wrote:which has nothing to do with the original topic here ,
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/15/2025 8:26 AM, Attila wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:46:38 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<104siae$1q7bq$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 7/11/25 8:04 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Are you an historian?
What answers can alter the fact that you wet yourself over
a discussion on discerning history from mythology?
Often mythology is based on history but the difference is
that history has multiple verifying sources or actual
tangible evidence.-a Mythology is just mythology.
Troy is a good example.-a It was mythology until the actual
city was found.-a Of course, the events mythology says
occurred there are still mythology since there is no
evidence they actually occurred.
Yes, the conversations in Homer between the Gods on Mount
Olympus must be regarded as being mythological, at least
until good evidence presents itself to suggest otherwise.
Dawn
in your opinion at least until good evidence presents
itself to suggest otherwise.
What's the alternative?-a If a student wishes to believe that
the South won the American Civil War, then that is their
right!-a They are even free to argue for their position.
we aren't students and my country has never had a north / south
war
With respect to United States history, the South lost the Civil,
the United States of America having been victorious in that
conflict.-a Of course, if anyone, student or otherwise, wishes to
believe in the alternative, such is their prerogative.
There seems to be enough to convince the experts and the UN.
Calling Troy "Real" is saying that the bible is real, because
you can find places with the same names...
Of course you disagree because
You can find many places and people mentioned in the bible
but that only goes toward validating the existence of those
particular places and people and nothing else.
On 7/17/25 7:16 AM, Attila wrote:
There seems to be enough to convince the experts and the UN.
If you took a vote, more people are convinced that the bible
is real.
But it's a World Heritage Site. You think it wouldn't be if
an accomplished fraud hadn't called it Troy?
You're citing your priests as authorities, btw.
Calling Troy "Real" is saying that the bible is real, because
you can find places with the same names...
Of course you disagree because
Either you agree with your own alleged logic -- making the
bible real -- or you are a bigger idiot than I gave you
credit for.
On 7/17/25 7:20 AM, Attila wrote:
You can find many places and people mentioned in the bible
but that only goes toward validating the existence of those
particular places and people and nothing else.
There is zero continuity in your mythological "Troy."
There's only a single source.
Exactly what do you mean by saying the bible is "real"? A
general statement such as that would also make Gone With the
Wind real.
I will rely on the peer review
But that belief is based upon a belief, not actual evidence.
I believe