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This describes a Mars return mission as costing an "Astronomical"
$11 billion:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bringing-mars-rocks-to-earth-could-cost-an-astronomical-11-billion/

Now compare that figure to how much the U.S. government has spent
on other people's war... Israel... the Ukraine.

"But those are important," you might argue, but in so doing you're acknowledging that space is not. The search for life on another
world, perhaps the single greatest scientific find possible, is not
important. War is important. Science is not.

We spent like $4 trillion -- $4,000 billion -- on the idiotic
response to CoronaPanic. And in return we made the poor much poorer
and the rich much richer...

So $4,000 billion wasn't too much to spend on idiocy but $11 billion
is an "Astronomical" figure to pay for he biggest scientific
discovery yet possible.

One U.S. nuclear aircraft carrier costs from $8 to $13 billion. Now
multiple that by 11. And THAT isn't too much money... a Mars return
mission though? Well. That price is "Astronomical."

Space isn't a priority. Science isn't a priority.
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On 10/9/25 8:01 AM, JTEM wrote:

This describes a Mars return mission as costing an "Astronomical"
$11 billion:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bringing-mars-rocks-to-earth- could-cost-an-astronomical-11-billion/

Now compare that figure to how much the U.S. government has spent
on other people's war... Israel... the Ukraine.

"But those are important," you might argue, but in so doing you're acknowledging that space is not. The search for life on another
world, perhaps the single greatest scientific find possible, is not important. War is important. Science is not.

We spent like $4 trillion -- $4,000 billion -- on the idiotic
response to CoronaPanic. And in return we made the poor much poorer
and the rich much richer...

So $4,000 billion wasn't too much to spend on idiocy but $11 billion
is an "Astronomical" figure to pay for he biggest scientific
discovery yet possible.

Correction/clarification:

A return mission does *Not* guarantee the proof of life on Mars, present
or in the past.

Science is a method. It's a way of investigating nature. Call it an
"Approach" if you want.

What it comes down to is a process for eliminating the human element.

Humans are idiots... "I stubbed my toe. It rained. Stubbing my toe
obviously causes rain."

And you can brush that off but, turn back the clock enough times,
before science, and things got a lot worse than THAT!

The point is that SCIENCE isn't a priority. The hunt for life on
Mars is not a priority. Killing people in other people's war is
important, but science is not.
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So Wiki isn't a cite, it's not a legitimate cite, but you can
use it to establish that an idea is out there, you're not
making shit up... someone else else.

Anyway, here's Wiki on a Ganymede probe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace-P

The idea here is NOT to establish that there's a Ganymede
probe, it's to establish that there isn't one.

Science isn't a priority. It's not.

See, Ganymede is one of the best candidates for life outside
of the earth, within our solar system. AND they have detected
things like oxygen! Not everywhere, but the belief is that
the life would exist within a subsurface ocean...

Venus? That's even easier! The potential life is high up
in the atmosphere. They don't even have to land! They could
just fly low, scooping up air into collectors then fly back
out.

No digging. No melting through ice. No landing, collecting
and then launching back into space...

And of course there's the Mars "Return Mission." Which
means gathering up samples and blasting them back to Earth
for analysis.

ALL OF THESE could have already been paid for. Done. All we
had to do is decide that science, the biggest scientific
discovery we could yet make is more important than killing
people in wars that are not our own.

HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS for other people's wars, nothing for
Ganymede. FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS wasted on an idiotic and
unjustifiable "Response" to CoronaPanic, but nothing for
the search for life...

Government is owned by the special interests, and the
special interests -- through bribes and blackmail -- tells
the government who to give the money to. And it's never
science. Not real science.

"Other people's problems."

There's PLENTY of examples of it, outside of science. But
it's always the same: Money wasted on things that we
would be better off NOT getting involved in, and nothing
for things that matter.
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On 10/10/25 9:44 AM, JTEM wrote:

So Wiki isn't a cite, it's not a legitimate cite, but you can
use it to establish that an idea is out there, you're not
making shit up... someone else else.

Anyway, here's Wiki on a Ganymede probe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace-P

The idea here is NOT to establish that there's a Ganymede
probe, it's to establish that there isn't one.

Science isn't a priority. It's not.

See, Ganymede is one of the best candidates for life outside
of the earth, within our solar system. AND they have detected
things like oxygen! Not everywhere, but the belief is that
the life would exist within a subsurface ocean...

Venus?-a That's even easier!-a The potential life is high up
in the atmosphere. They don't even have to land! They could
just fly low, scooping up air into collectors then fly back
out.

No digging. No melting through ice. No landing, collecting
and then launching back into space...

And of course there's the Mars "Return Mission." Which
means gathering up samples and blasting them back to Earth
for analysis.

ALL OF THESE could have already been paid for. Done. All we
had to do is decide that science, the biggest scientific
discovery we could yet make is more important than killing
people in wars that are not our own.

HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS for other people's wars, nothing for
Ganymede. FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS wasted on an idiotic and
unjustifiable "Response" to CoronaPanic, but nothing for
the search for life...

Government is owned by the special interests, and the
special interests -- through bribes and blackmail -- tells
the government who to give the money to. And it's never
science. Not real science.

"Other people's problems."

There's PLENTY of examples of it, outside of science. But
it's always the same:-a Money wasted on things that we
would be better off NOT getting involved in, and nothing
for things that matter.

Is it just me, or is he getting both angrier and crazier?

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On 10/10/25 7:02 PM, John Harshman wrote:

Is it just me

Wow. All I have to do is come out in favor of prioritizing
science and a retard like you will come out against it.

"Don't eat dog shit."

There. I said. Be sure to tell us how it tasted.
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Op 11-10-2025 om 01:02 schreef John Harshman:

On 10/10/25 9:44 AM, JTEM wrote:

So Wiki isn't a cite, it's not a legitimate cite, but you can
use it to establish that an idea is out there, you're not
making shit up... someone else else.

Anyway, here's Wiki on a Ganymede probe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace-P

The idea here is NOT to establish that there's a Ganymede
probe, it's to establish that there isn't one.

Science isn't a priority. It's not.

See, Ganymede is one of the best candidates for life outside
of the earth, within our solar system. AND they have detected
things like oxygen! Not everywhere, but the belief is that
the life would exist within a subsurface ocean...

Venus?-a That's even easier!-a The potential life is high up
in the atmosphere. They don't even have to land! They could
just fly low, scooping up air into collectors then fly back
out.

No digging. No melting through ice. No landing, collecting
and then launching back into space...

And of course there's the Mars "Return Mission." Which
means gathering up samples and blasting them back to Earth
for analysis.

ALL OF THESE could have already been paid for. Done. All we
had to do is decide that science, the biggest scientific
discovery we could yet make is more important than killing
people in wars that are not our own.

HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS for other people's wars, nothing for
Ganymede. FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS wasted on an idiotic and
unjustifiable "Response" to CoronaPanic, but nothing for
the search for life...

Government is owned by the special interests, and the
special interests -- through bribes and blackmail -- tells
the government who to give the money to. And it's never
science. Not real science.

"Other people's problems."

There's PLENTY of examples of it, outside of science. But
it's always the same:-a Money wasted on things that we
would be better off NOT getting involved in, and nothing
for things that matter.

Is it just me, or is he getting both angrier and crazier?

That seems to be the trend in the US lately (from a European point of view).

But there is a point in wasting money on things that we would better not getting involved in, and nothing for things that matter (such as paleontology). Science seems to be under threat in the US. Don't you worry?

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On 10/11/25 10:18 AM, Pandora wrote:

But there is a point in wasting money on things that we would better not getting involved in, and nothing for things that matter (such as paleontology). Science seems to be under threat in the US. Don't you worry?

If I'm concerned, the collective celebrates it.

If I celebrated it, the collective would be wetting their beds in
fright over it.

In America right now, it's not what is said, it's who is saying it.

That's all that ever matters.

As a liberal Democrat, I -- along with everyone else to the left of
Hitler -- were against the 1% bringing in illegal aliens to exploit.
We were against exploitation, period, and against THE INTENTIONAL
downward pressure on wages. We were pro "Working man" and wanted to
see them earn a living wage, not watch their earning power fall.

Now? Well. Now these jackasses love illegal aliens and you're a
Reich wing racist MAGA hat wearing fascist if you don't agree with
them.

Honestly. People are FUCKED UP!

They can't even see it. They can't remember back even a single news
cycle. They have no clue how much they flip-flop to the whims of the
media.

I knew it was all over during Trump's first term, when he said he
wanted the U.S. out of Syria and the Left instantly became pro
war...
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On 10/11/25 7:18 AM, Pandora wrote:

Op 11-10-2025 om 01:02 schreef John Harshman:

On 10/10/25 9:44 AM, JTEM wrote:

So Wiki isn't a cite, it's not a legitimate cite, but you can
use it to establish that an idea is out there, you're not
making shit up... someone else else.

Anyway, here's Wiki on a Ganymede probe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace-P

The idea here is NOT to establish that there's a Ganymede
probe, it's to establish that there isn't one.

Science isn't a priority. It's not.

See, Ganymede is one of the best candidates for life outside
of the earth, within our solar system. AND they have detected
things like oxygen! Not everywhere, but the belief is that
the life would exist within a subsurface ocean...

Venus?-a That's even easier!-a The potential life is high up
in the atmosphere. They don't even have to land! They could
just fly low, scooping up air into collectors then fly back
out.

No digging. No melting through ice. No landing, collecting
and then launching back into space...

And of course there's the Mars "Return Mission." Which
means gathering up samples and blasting them back to Earth
for analysis.

ALL OF THESE could have already been paid for. Done. All we
had to do is decide that science, the biggest scientific
discovery we could yet make is more important than killing
people in wars that are not our own.

HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS for other people's wars, nothing for
Ganymede. FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS wasted on an idiotic and
unjustifiable "Response" to CoronaPanic, but nothing for
the search for life...

Government is owned by the special interests, and the
special interests -- through bribes and blackmail -- tells
the government who to give the money to. And it's never
science. Not real science.

"Other people's problems."

There's PLENTY of examples of it, outside of science. But
it's always the same:-a Money wasted on things that we
would be better off NOT getting involved in, and nothing
for things that matter.

Is it just me, or is he getting both angrier and crazier?

That seems to be the trend in the US lately (from a European point of
view).

But there is a point in wasting money on things that we would better not getting involved in, and nothing for things that matter (such as paleontology). Science seems to be under threat in the US. Don't you worry?

Quite a bit. About science, about the climate, about the new police
state, etc. And it's only 9 months in.
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On 10/12/2025 8:24 AM, John Harshman wrote:

On 10/11/25 7:18 AM, Pandora wrote:

Op 11-10-2025 om 01:02 schreef John Harshman:

On 10/10/25 9:44 AM, JTEM wrote:

So Wiki isn't a cite, it's not a legitimate cite, but you can
use it to establish that an idea is out there, you're not
making shit up... someone else else.

Anyway, here's Wiki on a Ganymede probe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace-P

The idea here is NOT to establish that there's a Ganymede
probe, it's to establish that there isn't one.

Science isn't a priority. It's not.

See, Ganymede is one of the best candidates for life outside
of the earth, within our solar system. AND they have detected
things like oxygen! Not everywhere, but the belief is that
the life would exist within a subsurface ocean...

Venus?-a That's even easier!-a The potential life is high up
in the atmosphere. They don't even have to land! They could
just fly low, scooping up air into collectors then fly back
out.

No digging. No melting through ice. No landing, collecting
and then launching back into space...

And of course there's the Mars "Return Mission." Which
means gathering up samples and blasting them back to Earth
for analysis.

ALL OF THESE could have already been paid for. Done. All we
had to do is decide that science, the biggest scientific
discovery we could yet make is more important than killing
people in wars that are not our own.

HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS for other people's wars, nothing for
Ganymede. FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS wasted on an idiotic and
unjustifiable "Response" to CoronaPanic, but nothing for
the search for life...

Government is owned by the special interests, and the
special interests -- through bribes and blackmail -- tells
the government who to give the money to. And it's never
science. Not real science.

"Other people's problems."

There's PLENTY of examples of it, outside of science. But
it's always the same:-a Money wasted on things that we
would be better off NOT getting involved in, and nothing
for things that matter.

Is it just me, or is he getting both angrier and crazier?

That seems to be the trend in the US lately (from a European point of
view).

But there is a point in wasting money on things that we would better
not getting involved in, and nothing for things that matter (such as
paleontology). Science seems to be under threat in the US. Don't you
worry?

Quite a bit. About science, about the climate, about the new police
state, etc. And it's only 9 months in.

The US is just one country among 195. For instance, when the DoD (or,
DoW) shutdown the satellite that the NSIDC had been using for over 40
years, they switched to one that is owned & operated by Japan:

https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today

They recalibrated their datasets and life went on!
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On 10/12/25 2:06 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:

The US is just one country among 195.

I'm not all that concerned about what governments that don't
represent me do. It's the government that does represent me
that pisses me off!

I hate -- despise -- the fact that we have wiped our asses
on so much cash for the Ukraine, and there's no benefit to
us what so ever.

"But the Russians!"

Who cares? The Russians have controlled -- OWNED -- Kiev
since 1667. It honestly makes precisely ZERO difference if
they only occupy a small paart of the Ukraine today!

I'll consent to paying for war against Russia in the Ukraine
AFTER our government pays for war against the U.K. for
Ireland...

It's not our war. Even if you want to pretend it's an epic
struggle between good & evil, it's not our struggle. And we'd
already know if there is or was life on Mars. We'd already
know about Ganymede and Venus and a bunch of other places,
if we used that money for science instead of other people's
wars.
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On 10/12/25 9:24 AM, John Harshman wrote:

[--Does Harpmann eat dog poo--]

Quite a bit.

Lol! What a pussy! You backed off immediately...

Kind of proves you hit <Reply> to feed your disorder(s)
and not due to any pre existing position on a matter.

So the U.S. government does NOT prioritize science. At
all. We are often told we spend TOO MUCH on space
exploration but, that just shows how insane government
is:

"Hey! That's $2 billion we could be spending on killing
people we have no conflict with! We need to cut NASA
again!"
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