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On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that entails.
On 7/4/25 8:27 AM, Malte Runz wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that
entails.
To be fair, we can all agree that there had to be crashes galore!
Satellites, military aircraft, secret test crafts, balloons...
Plenty crashed.
And if any of them had the slightest value to the military or the
CIA, they were retrieved.
I mean, you do know about the whole "Chinese Balloon" thing from
2023. Right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Chinese_balloon_incident
Balloon technology is centuries old, and spy balloons go back at
least as far as the 1950s.
The Japanese used balloons are long range weapons platforms during
WWII...
Think of this: Even a weather balloon, once retrieved, might
provide you with a heck of a lot of intel on a potential enemy's capabilities... the equipment inside... gets you a look at some
of their high end instruments!
So I think it safe to say that everyone agrees that there have
been countless crashes over the last 80 years or so, and that
many of these involved retrieval efforts. What is under dispute
is NOT the fact that things crash (and get retrieved) but what
specifically it was that crashed.
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that >entails.
... Upgrade your
sources.
Name one.
And no, don't wiggle your way out the usual way, suggesting
I'm too lazy to find one myself.
Also, this is not about what my
sources have to say, it's all about /your/ sources.
So, do you have an 'upgraded source' that provides evidence for the
retrieval of a crashed craft created by an alien race?
My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to
provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
No, you're just a mainstream believing troll and smartass who follows professional liars and thinks he has 'facts'. Your kind are well known.
You obviously still don't know that mainstream scientists are paid grant money to shut up about certain things that would threaten the profits of
big corporations and corrupt governments.
On 7/4/25 7:58 PM, Andrew W wrote:
No, you're just a mainstream believing troll and smartass who follows
professional liars and thinks he has 'facts'. Your kind are well known.
You obviously still don't know that mainstream scientists are paid grant
money to shut up about certain things that would threaten the profits of
big corporations and corrupt governments.
Ironically, I'm the exact opposite of a "Mainstream Believing Troll"
and yet I don't believe in crashed UFOs.
The military is well practiced in controlling information, hiding it. >Because, even information that might seem completely innocuous might,
to an enemy, prove deadly.
During WWII, "Signals Intelligence" even listened to and kept track of >signals traffic it couldn't read -- codes it hadn't cracked. They
were looking for any changes in the patterns that might coincide with,
and seemingly confirm, other intelligence sources...
My point? Roswell is bogus. it fails the Duck Test. The Roswell
narrative can't be true as the military simply does not operate the
way the narrative orders you to believe.
The military simply does not exist to inform the public. It can't.
Not without informing the rest of the world, including potential
enemies...
A CRITICAL view of the mainstream media reporting tells you that the
Roswell crash is nonsense.
It wasn't the military that informed us about Roswell, it was the press.
And the military promptly stopped it and cover it up.
On 7/4/25 9:16 PM, Andrew W wrote:
It wasn't the military that informed us about Roswell, it was the press.
Lol! It was the military.
Don't confuse the means of dissemination with the point of
origins.
And the military promptly stopped it and cover it up.
The military released the "information" and then stopped
it. Yes.
It does not pass the Duck Test.
It's a bogus narrative.
The truth is that it was a manned craft.
On 7/4/25 10:28 PM, Andrew W wrote:
The truth is that it was a manned craft.
The truth is that it was disinformation.
They were either pretending that they didn't know something
the Russians were doing, or they were inventing some
"Plausible Deniability" for their spying on the Russians.
The balloon story was the disinfo.
ET crashes had nothing to do with the Russians.
On 7/4/25 11:12 PM, Andrew W wrote:
The balloon story was the disinfo.
The story was disinformation.
It's not the military's business to inform the public. It's
not in the military's interests to release information.
Unless...
Unless that information serves the agenda of the military.
ET crashes had nothing to do with the Russians.
Well there weren't any ET crashes so in that sense you are
correct...
Spy tech, regardless of nation of origins, is always a major
priority. And it's something you need to keep secret. If it's
their's you don't want them to know that you have it, if it's
yours you don't want them to know what you're flying, even if
it's just a test...
Bodies have been recovered from several sites.
One or two were still
alive and taken to facilities for study.
Spy tech, regardless of nation of origins, is always a major
priority. And it's something you need to keep secret. If it's
their's you don't want them to know that you have it, if it's
yours you don't want them to know what you're flying, even if
it's just a test...
That's small minded.
Governments and secret societies are covering up true ancient human and
ET history.
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >news:qbhf6klnb7a6djkojsklqo6iga95ssdfg4@4ax.com...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that >>entails.
Only mainstream media followers and 'authority' followers have never heard >of that. Normies.
... Upgrade your
sources.
Name one.
Of course you don't know any except the mainstream info suppressing ones.
And no, don't wiggle your way out the usual way, suggesting
I'm too lazy to find one myself.
You are lazy, two minute Google result believer.
Also, this is not about what my
sources have to say, it's all about /your/ sources.
But your sources are lying/suppressing crap. That's the real issue.
So, do you have an 'upgraded source' that provides evidence for the >>retrieval of a crashed craft created by an alien race?
I have plenty ...
... but you will never search for yourself and switch. ...
... You're not
interested.
My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to >>provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
No, ...
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still alive >and taken to facilities for study.
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still alive >> and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with
a straight face.
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 09:58:50 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>news:qbhf6klnb7a6djkojsklqo6iga95ssdfg4@4ax.com...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that >>>entails.
Only mainstream media followers and 'authority' followers have never heard >>of that. Normies.
Of course I've heard the claims made before. Do you think you're the
only kook on the internet?
... Upgrade your
sources.
Name one.
Of course you don't know any except the mainstream info suppressing ones.
I can't possibly know what /your/ sources are. Von DΣniken? Alex
Jones? Random Dude on Rumor Mill? Why don't you want to tell me?
And no, don't wiggle your way out the usual way, suggesting
I'm too lazy to find one myself.
You are lazy, two minute Google result believer.
Wiggle wiggle wiggle.
Also, this is not about what my
sources have to say, it's all about /your/ sources.
But your sources are lying/suppressing crap. That's the real issue.
You're the one making the claim, therefore you provide the evidence.
This can't be a new concept to you.
So, do you have an 'upgraded source' that provides evidence for the >>>retrieval of a crashed craft created by an alien race?
I have plenty ...
So you say, but are unable to provide any. I call your bluff... again.
... but you will never search for yourself and switch. ...
I can find hundreds, if not thousands, of people saying the same shit
you do, all claiming to have the evidence. Grainy images of out of
focus gray blobs, un-named specialists and insiders spilling the
beans, ancient wisdom, inter stellar revelations, anecdotal evidence
of abductions, and of course, 'They are hiding the truth from us'.
Understand that I'm interested in learning what /you/ have found and
where you found it.
... You're not
interested.
Of course I'm interested. I ask you for an answer every time. What
evidence have /you/ seen?
My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to >>>provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
No, ...
Yes. Did you, or didn't you, provide a source? You didn't. Instead you
evaded my questions exactly the way I predicted you would.
(snip the wiggle wiggle wiggle.)
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still alive >>and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with
a straight face.
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 09:58:50 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>news:qbhf6klnb7a6djkojsklqo6iga95ssdfg4@4ax.com...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that >>>entails.
Only mainstream media followers and 'authority' followers have never heard >>of that. Normies.
Of course I've heard the claims made before. Do you think you're the
only kook on the internet?
... Upgrade your
sources.
Name one.
Of course you don't know any except the mainstream info suppressing ones.
I can't possibly know what /your/ sources are.
Von Däniken? Alex
Jones? Random Dude on Rumor Mill?
Why don't you want to tell me?
And no, don't wiggle your way out the usual way, suggesting
I'm too lazy to find one myself.
You are lazy, two minute Google result believer.
Wiggle wiggle wiggle.
Also, this is not about what my
sources have to say, it's all about /your/ sources.
But your sources are lying/suppressing crap. That's the real issue.
You're the one making the claim, therefore you provide the evidence.
This can't be a new concept to you.
So, do you have an 'upgraded source' that provides evidence for the >>>retrieval of a crashed craft created by an alien race?
I have plenty ...
So you say, but are unable to provide any. I call your bluff... again.
... but you will never search for yourself and switch. ...
I can find hundreds, if not thousands, of people saying the same shit
you do,
all claiming to have the evidence. Grainy images of out of
focus gray blobs, un-named specialists and insiders spilling the
beans, ancient wisdom, inter stellar revelations, anecdotal evidence
of abductions, and of course, 'They are hiding the truth from us'.
Understand that I'm interested in learning what /you/ have found and
where you found it.
... You're not
interested.
Of course I'm interested. I ask you for an answer every time. What
evidence have /you/ seen?
My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to >>>provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
No, ...
Yes. Did you, or didn't you, provide a source?
You didn't. Instead you
evaded my questions exactly the way I predicted you would.
Andrew W wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:qtoh6k5jba6e9n536p5c9ko8bo19gkqn6e@4ax.com...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still
alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here and
were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
"Malte Runz" wrote in message news:qtoh6k5jba6e9n536p5c9ko8bo19gkqn6e@4ax.com...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were
still alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these
things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
% wrote:
jojo wrote:
Andrew W wrote:aliens will never come here
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were
still alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with >>>>> a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here
and were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
they will definitely come, its a perfect world, planet has all the best parameters, from size to distance to composition to biology.
jojo wrote:
Andrew W wrote:aliens will never come here
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:qtoh6k5jba6e9n536p5c9ko8bo19gkqn6e@4ax.com...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W"
<space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two
were still alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you
think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these
things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the
subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came
here and were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
jojo wrote:
% wrote:they have nothing to say to stinky smelly murderous humans
jojo wrote:
Andrew W wrote:aliens will never come here
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:qtoh6k5jba6e9n536p5c9ko8bo19gkqn6e@4ax.com...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W"
<space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two
were still alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when
you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these
things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the
subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions
came here and were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
they will definitely come, its a perfect world, planet has all
the best parameters, from size to distance to composition to
biology.
Andrew W wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:qtoh6k5jba6e9n536p5c9ko8bo19gkqn6e@4ax.com...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still
alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here and
were kidnapped by us,
we would be gazaed by now.
jojo wrote:
Andrew W wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:qtoh6k5jba6e9n536p5c9ko8bo19gkqn6e@4ax.com...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still >>>>> alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here and
were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
aliens will never come here
jojo wrote:
% wrote:they have nothing to say to stinky smelly murderous humans
jojo wrote:
Andrew W wrote:aliens will never come here
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:qtoh6k5jba6e9n536p5c9ko8bo19gkqn6e@4ax.com...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still >>>>>>> alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think >>>>>> about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with >>>>>> a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here and >>>> were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
they will definitely come, its a perfect world, planet has all the best
parameters, from size to distance to composition to biology.
"jojo" wrote in message news:3252dd78-7eaa-f1e5-bf0a-fe55b3c0033f@shinku.aoyagi.konjou...
Andrew W wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:qtoh6k5jba6e9n536p5c9ko8bo19gkqn6e@4ax.com...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W"
<space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two
were still alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you
think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these
things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the
subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came
here and were kidnapped by us,
People kidnap aliens?
we would be gazaed by now.
Gazed like a zombie?
If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots,
senior military officials and investigators etc. kooks too.
So you still don't know why the military and governments hide things
from the population? Are you dumb?
So evidence from government officials is trustworthy.
Andrew W wrote:
"jojo" wrote in message
news:3252dd78-7eaa-f1e5-bf0a-fe55b3c0033f@shinku.aoyagi.konjou...
Andrew W wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:qtoh6k5jba6e9n536p5c9ko8bo19gkqn6e@4ax.com...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were
still alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with >>>>> a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here
and were kidnapped by us,
People kidnap aliens?
well i mean, taken into facilities?
we would be gazaed by now.
Gazed like a zombie?
no i meant gaza'ed. but yeah a zombie wasteland.
% wrote:
jojo wrote:
% wrote:they have nothing to say to stinky smelly murderous humans
jojo wrote:
Andrew W wrote:aliens will never come here
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:qtoh6k5jba6e9n536p5c9ko8bo19gkqn6e@4ax.com...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were >>>>>>>> still alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think >>>>>>> about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things >>>>>>> with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject? >>>>>> It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here >>>>> and were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
they will definitely come, its a perfect world, planet has all the
best parameters, from size to distance to composition to biology.
its not about the humans, but the ecosystem, its like visiting the rainforest or antarctica.
they wat to see... like say if we found out there are octopus like
creatures on europa, definitely go there to observe.