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Greetings from Granada
On Thu, 3 Jul 2025, John Doe wrote:
1. who uses ADSL in 2025?
breaking news: not everyone has access to vdslx, cable, fttc (fibre to
the curb) or fibre.
further out you are in middle of nowhere, means you're more likely on
ancient technology becasue it is not justifiable for carriers to outlay
the expense of laying fibre - fibres cheap, but its only about 10% of the budget, you have government and council red tape with permissions, you
need specialist machinery, personell, contracted traffic controllers for
any public roads, insurances, inspections, and thats just off top of my
head.
further out in middle of nowhere means, like above you might not have much
in the way of 4G towers, let alone 5G.
PON can get you - anything, how big is your budget
although most ISP's do put 1gbps limits on residential accounts and
you're still on residential "contended circuits"
Cable usually a couple of km's - more repeaters longer, but bigger
costs, speed varies between DOCSIS levels and again is distance
dependant.
FTTC 1-3 gbps for a couple hundred metres (we lock ours at 1G/s, but I'm
aware places in Germany get up to 3G/s)
VDSL2 can get you 100+mbps upto ~400m
VDSL2 can get you 50mbps at 1km
VDSL2 can get you 30mbps at 1.4km
ADSL2+ can get you 20mbps out to at least 3km's
ADSL2 can get you 20mbps out to at least 1km
ADSL1 can get you 8mbps out to at least 5km's
ADSL1 can get you 1.5mbps out to at least 7+km's
VDSL2 fails over to ADSL - most DSLAMS can do this, if
configured to - not all ISPs configure it.
ADSL2(+) DSLAMs will failover to ADSL1 - giving inclose 20+mbps and
distant rurals 1.5mbps at 7k's, possible longer - In Australia remote
rural areas the copper is .9mm, standard rural is .6mm, and urban is only .4mm, complicating it, the LIC's from pit to your property demarc point,
is 0.5mm
So city folk saying youll never get 8mbps at 5k's are more or less correct
for " in the city" - but in the country, 8mpbs is most acheivable at that distance.
2. who uses ADSL without a router?
you'd be surprised, it was common back in the day, and no doubt still -
as we see from Lew, in use today.
And back in the day I for one, those days we didnt have mikrotiks, and
nobody could afford even the small cisco units, that cost more than a most peoples monthly pay packets (lol nothings changed with shit$co has it), so
you had poor (read that as next to no) flexibility, firewall rules barf
out at 20 to 30 even today on these home devices (ever wondered why most routers today (2025) have such tiny number of possible entries), where
back in those days I had thousands of rules on a dx486 and it never missed
a beat, no bottleneck no problems.
your not restricted to the limits of the tiny busybox images they throw on those things even today, and not every device lets you intall openwrt, which was not around back then anyway, and as saying goes, it it aint broke, dont break it.
Also in early days of ADSL some of the entry level modems - dlink dsl300 I think it was, as one example, was only a modem, a software modem too, so
only worked with windows and you had to use connection sharing - we would
tell clients to get rid of it and use netgear or netcomm, which is what
we supplied and supported, along with dynalinks I think they were called,
back around 2000, a decent modem manufactured from New Zealand.
history lesson over.
Fucking Retard!
psssst you need to hide that mirror bro
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