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On 03.07.2025 01:55 Uhr John Doe wrote:

1. who uses ADSL in 2025?

Still many people in rural areas, as no VDSL will work with really long
lines, but slow ADSL (2+) might do.

2. who uses ADSL without a router?

You can use your computer as the router.
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Greetings from Granada

On Thu, 3 Jul 2025, John Doe wrote:

1. who uses ADSL in 2025?

breaking news: not everyone has access to vdslx, cable, fttc (fibre to
the curb) or fibre.

further out you are in middle of nowhere, means you're more likely on
ancient technology becasue it is not justifiable for carriers to outlay
the expense of laying fibre - fibres cheap, but its only about 10% of the budget, you have government and council red tape with permissions, you
need specialist machinery, personell, contracted traffic controllers for
any public roads, insurances, inspections, and thats just off top of my
head.

further out in middle of nowhere means, like above you might not have much
in the way of 4G towers, let alone 5G.

PON can get you - anything, how big is your budget
although most ISP's do put 1gbps limits on residential accounts and
you're still on residential "contended circuits"

Cable usually a couple of km's - more repeaters longer, but bigger
costs, speed varies between DOCSIS levels and again is distance
dependant.

FTTC 1-3 gbps for a couple hundred metres (we lock ours at 1G/s, but I'm
aware places in Germany get up to 3G/s)

VDSL2 can get you 100+mbps upto ~400m
VDSL2 can get you 50mbps at 1km
VDSL2 can get you 30mbps at 1.4km

ADSL2+ can get you 20mbps out to at least 3km's
ADSL2 can get you 20mbps out to at least 1km
ADSL1 can get you 8mbps out to at least 5km's
ADSL1 can get you 1.5mbps out to at least 7+km's

VDSL2 fails over to ADSL - most DSLAMS can do this, if
configured to - not all ISPs configure it.

ADSL2(+) DSLAMs will failover to ADSL1 - giving inclose 20+mbps and
distant rurals 1.5mbps at 7k's, possible longer - In Australia remote
rural areas the copper is .9mm, standard rural is .6mm, and urban is only .4mm, complicating it, the LIC's from pit to your property demarc point,
is 0.5mm

So city folk saying youll never get 8mbps at 5k's are more or less correct
for " in the city" - but in the country, 8mpbs is most acheivable at that distance.

2. who uses ADSL without a router?

you'd be surprised, it was common back in the day, and no doubt still -
as we see from Lew, in use today.

And back in the day I for one, those days we didnt have mikrotiks, and
nobody could afford even the small cisco units, that cost more than a most peoples monthly pay packets (lol nothings changed with shit$co has it), so
you had poor (read that as next to no) flexibility, firewall rules barf
out at 20 to 30 even today on these home devices (ever wondered why most routers today (2025) have such tiny number of possible entries), where
back in those days I had thousands of rules on a dx486 and it never missed
a beat, no bottleneck no problems.

your not restricted to the limits of the tiny busybox images they throw on those things even today, and not every device lets you intall openwrt, which was not around back then anyway, and as saying goes, it it aint broke, dont break it.


Also in early days of ADSL some of the entry level modems - dlink dsl300 I think it was, as one example, was only a modem, a software modem too, so
only worked with windows and you had to use connection sharing - we would
tell clients to get rid of it and use netgear or netcomm, which is what
we supplied and supported, along with dynalinks I think they were called,
back around 2000, a decent modem manufactured from New Zealand.


history lesson over.

Fucking Retard!

psssst you need to hide that mirror bro


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On Jul 4, 2025 at 3:03:36 PM EDT, "Marco Moock" <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

On 03.07.2025 01:55 Uhr John Doe wrote:

1. who uses ADSL in 2025?

Still many people in rural areas, as no VDSL will work with really long lines, but slow ADSL (2+) might do.

2. who uses ADSL without a router?

You can use your computer as the router.

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On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 13:55:44 +1000, nb wrote:

Greetings from Granada

On Thu, 3 Jul 2025, John Doe wrote:

1. who uses ADSL in 2025?

breaking news: not everyone has access to vdslx, cable, fttc (fibre to
the curb) or fibre.

Here, in Canada, you either deal with one of the "Big Three" ISPs
(Bell Canada, Rogers Telecommunications, or Telus Telecommunications)
or you deal with a small ISP.

Bell offers VDSL and FTTC; Rogers offers DOCSYS ("cable tv"), and Telus
doesn't run hard lines anywhere close to where I live (a large suburban
city). All three of these ISPs also offer "wireless" (i.e. cellphone)
internet. And NONE of these ISPs permit their clients to run servers,
or have any other internet presence than as a consumer of outside services.

The smaller ISPs (of which I have been with the biggest for about 20 years) offer ASDL2+, DOCSYS (cable), and FTTC, but over the lines rented from the
big 3.

I've been on ADSL (in one form or another) for over 20 years (see https://linuxgazette.net/105/pitcher1.html) and, as the service is cheap, stable, and fast enough for my needs, I haven't seen the need to change.

These days, I /could/ "upgrade" to VDSL or DOCSYS (FTTC is still limited,
based on having a contract with Bell for /their/ internet services), but
I still dont have a compelling reason to do so.


[snip]

As for the troll, I've been trolled by better. I'm still here, and the
troll is long gone.
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 01:36:30 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote:

On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 23:36:10 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote:

For years, I've run my PPPoE over ADSL internet connection using the standard
Slackware pppd and rp-pppoe packages.

[snip]

So, I guess that it's finally time to switch to pppd and kernel-mode pppoe Only a decade or so late, as usual :-)

I took a bit of time to test out kernel-mode (client) PPPoE in an LXC container.

When I was happy with my results, I switched over from the roaring penguin scripts
to pppd with the rp-pppoe module, and kernel-mode PPPoE.

So, thats (more than) one item off my list.
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On 2025-07-05, Lew Pitcher wrote:

Here, in Canada, you either deal with one of the "Big Three" ISPs
(Bell Canada, Rogers Telecommunications, or Telus Telecommunications)
or you deal with a small ISP.

Slight clarification: "... or you deal with a small ISP that
ultimately resells service from one of the "Big Three" ISPs ..."
You're effectively limitted by what the big three offer in your area.

There are regionally also some bigger service providers (Videotron
in Quebec, Eastlink in the maritimes, Shaw in the prairies, though
Shaw are now part of Rogers ...)

The smaller ISPs (of which I have been with the biggest for about
20 years) offer ASDL2+, DOCSYS (cable), and FTTC, but over the
lines rented from the big 3.

We may be with the same "smaller" ISP (mine is based in Chatham,
Ontario; yours?) I discovered about two years ago that their
ability to offer certain services is highly dependent on which of
the big-three's service they're reselling in a given location.

When I was in suburban Montreal (in a neighborhood orginally developped
in 1957), we had (resold) ADSL (and later variants, I believe that
went up to VDSL2) from them for at least 2 decades, with a static
IP address, a proper PTR record in their DNS for our address, and
(effectively) no restrictions[*] on how we used the service.

[*] "effectively no restrictions" being defined as "there was nothing
even mildly questionable about how we used our service." We ran our
own DNS, mail, and web services; not much else. The ISP did not give
us any grief about any of this, nor did they ever question whether
we were competent to manage these services.

I have since moved to a (neighborhood originally developped in 1992,
in a) much smaller city in Atlantic Canada, where the only service
the same smaller ISP is able to provide is (resold) DOCSYS; no static
IP and no inbound port 53 (these restrictions imposed by Rogers, not
the smaller ISP); We had to come up with work-arounds, which we did,
but it really was enough to make me try to find a different option.
FTTC is probably also available here (though I don't think resold
from the same smaller ISP), but that's certainly not going to improve
things for my purposes. We went with workarounds, which seem to be
working well enough for now.

I've been on ADSL (in one form or another) for over 20 years ...

I miss ADSL-VDSL2 from this smaller ISP, and I'd love to see it come
to this neighborhood, but the service I have now is good enough ...

... as the service is cheap, stable, and fast enough for my needs, I
haven't seen the need to change.

If you ever do consider changing, be very careful about whether you'll
be able to get the same "ancillary services" as you're able to get now. Apparently these depend largely on the larger provider whose service is
being resold. Discuss in detail with the potential new ISP ...

Is that worth about two cents? ;-)
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2025 14:34:38 +0000, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:

On 2025-07-05, Lew Pitcher wrote:

Here, in Canada, you either deal with one of the "Big Three" ISPs
(Bell Canada, Rogers Telecommunications, or Telus Telecommunications)
or you deal with a small ISP.

Slight clarification: "... or you deal with a small ISP that
ultimately resells service from one of the "Big Three" ISPs ..."
You're effectively limitted by what the big three offer in your area.

Exactly. Where I live, Bell offers VDSL and FTTC, but only if you
use their consumer-oriented ISP services. Even then, they /only/ offer
FTTC with a signed ISP contract (probably, because they actually have
to run fibre to the demarcation point, and install a fibre-to-ethernet converter). So, for me, VDSL and FTTC are out, because Bell restricts
what you can do with or on their internet connection, and costs a lot
more than my current ISP.

I already have a "cable tv" run to my home, and /could/ switch to
DOCSYS; my ISP rents network space on Rogers DOCSYS network, making
this possible. In fact, I probably will, at some point, move to
DOCSYS. But, while I gain some theoretical bandwidth with DOCSYS,
I would be competing for that bandwidth with everyone else on the
same DOCSYS segment, and paying a higher price for it.

Telus, as I said, has no physical network in my neighbourhood, leaving
it out of the running completely.

There are regionally also some bigger service providers (Videotron
in Quebec, Eastlink in the maritimes, Shaw in the prairies, though
Shaw are now part of Rogers ...)

The smaller ISPs (of which I have been with the biggest for about
20 years) offer ASDL2+, DOCSYS (cable), and FTTC, but over the
lines rented from the big 3.

We may be with the same "smaller" ISP (mine is based in Chatham,
Ontario; yours?)

The same one, I think. They are good, and (apparently) the largest
"small" ISP in Canada. Plus, they continually advocate, both
publicly and politically, for a more reasonable telecommunications
landscape in Canada, something that we desperately need here.

I discovered about two years ago that their
ability to offer certain services is highly dependent on which of
the big-three's service they're reselling in a given location.

When I was in suburban Montreal (in a neighborhood orginally developped
in 1957), we had (resold) ADSL (and later variants, I believe that
went up to VDSL2) from them for at least 2 decades, with a static
IP address, a proper PTR record in their DNS for our address, and (effectively) no restrictions[*] on how we used the service.

[*] "effectively no restrictions" being defined as "there was nothing
even mildly questionable about how we used our service." We ran our
own DNS, mail, and web services; not much else. The ISP did not give
us any grief about any of this, nor did they ever question whether
we were competent to manage these services.

That's been my experience also. I run 4 (personal) websites, an email
server, and a VPN (to extend my LAN to remote systems), and my ISP
hasn't complained one bit. Originally, I checked with them prior
to moving to their service, and they were cool with it all, with
the provision that they reserved the right to disconnect me if I
/didn't/ manage my services properly.

I have since moved to a (neighborhood originally developped in 1992,
in a) much smaller city in Atlantic Canada, where the only service
the same smaller ISP is able to provide is (resold) DOCSYS; no static
IP and no inbound port 53 (these restrictions imposed by Rogers, not
the smaller ISP); We had to come up with work-arounds, which we did,
but it really was enough to make me try to find a different option.
FTTC is probably also available here (though I don't think resold
from the same smaller ISP), but that's certainly not going to improve
things for my purposes. We went with workarounds, which seem to be
working well enough for now.

I've been on ADSL (in one form or another) for over 20 years ...

I miss ADSL-VDSL2 from this smaller ISP, and I'd love to see it come
to this neighborhood, but the service I have now is good enough ...

... as the service is cheap, stable, and fast enough for my needs, I
haven't seen the need to change.

If you ever do consider changing, be very careful about whether you'll
be able to get the same "ancillary services" as you're able to get now. Apparently these depend largely on the larger provider whose service is
being resold. Discuss in detail with the potential new ISP ...

Is that worth about two cents? ;-)

Quite more than 2 cents, Sylvain. :-) Thanks for the feedback

Luck be with you
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and search #PeterJPeters

You will find the truth!


On Jul 5, 2025 at 3:32:06rC>PM EDT, "Lew Pitcher" <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 13:55:44 +1000, nb wrote:

Greetings from Granada

On Thu, 3 Jul 2025, John Doe wrote:

1. who uses ADSL in 2025?

breaking news: not everyone has access to vdslx, cable, fttc (fibre to
the curb) or fibre.

Here, in Canada, you either deal with one of the "Big Three" ISPs
(Bell Canada, Rogers Telecommunications, or Telus Telecommunications)
or you deal with a small ISP.

Bell offers VDSL and FTTC; Rogers offers DOCSYS ("cable tv"), and Telus doesn't run hard lines anywhere close to where I live (a large suburban city). All three of these ISPs also offer "wireless" (i.e. cellphone) internet. And NONE of these ISPs permit their clients to run servers,
or have any other internet presence than as a consumer of outside services.

The smaller ISPs (of which I have been with the biggest for about 20 years) offer ASDL2+, DOCSYS (cable), and FTTC, but over the lines rented from the big 3.

I've been on ADSL (in one form or another) for over 20 years (see https://linuxgazette.net/105/pitcher1.html) and, as the service is cheap, stable, and fast enough for my needs, I haven't seen the need to change.

These days, I /could/ "upgrade" to VDSL or DOCSYS (FTTC is still limited, based on having a contract with Bell for /their/ internet services), but
I still dont have a compelling reason to do so.

[snip]

As for the troll, I've been trolled by better. I'm still here, and the
troll is long gone.

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On 2025-07-06, Lew Pitcher wrote:

We may be with the same "smaller" ISP (mine is based in Chatham,
Ontario; yours?)

The same one, I think. They are good, and (apparently) the largest
"small" ISP in Canada. Plus, they continually advocate, both
publicly and politically, for a more reasonable telecommunications
landscape in Canada, something that we desperately need here.

Agreed, and I'm certain that we're referring to the same smaller ISP.

They appear to have grown rather rapidly in the time I've been with
them. I believe that at the time when I signed up with them, they
operated only in Southern Ontario and Southwestern Quebec. Now here I
am in Southern New Brunswick and they're still my ISP, despite being a
"small" provider.
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