• Playing with KDE

    From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.os.linux.mint on Sat Aug 9 18:33:59 2025
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    My saga of playing with KDE. TL;DR

    I've been a long time user of Linux Mint. It was my first Linux with Mint 13.

    As I have am now more proficient in Linux, or Mint at least, I've been playing with KDE
    plasma. It looks like an interesting DE and I would think it would give me a challenge
    playing with it, learning it's differences etc.

    I've loaded more than a half dozen different systems, MX Linux, Manjaro, Kubuntu,
    Openmandriva, Garuda, Endeavor and Debian being my last test.
    I got used to the way they worked, trying to find if there was one that worked better than
    the other. I did find that since it was my first tweak to disable the touchpad on my
    laptop so my fingers didn't move my cursor unexpectedly, that a few system had a setting
    to disable the touch pad when a mouse was installed. Same thing that Mint does.
    Okay, nice touch, what else could be different.

    Well, a few days ago I loaded Feren OS. It's an interesting KDE DE on the surface.
    Similar settings app like others. It's the updates, update manager, and file manager
    that threw me. Feren uses the same synaptic and update manager that Mint uses. Same
    front end to apt. Also the file manager is not Dolphin but Nemo. Even entering
    'dolphin' on the command line make it launch Nemo. That specific item caught my eye with
    I copied a few launchers onto the desktop from other DE's. They were all written to
    launch 'dolphin ${HOME}/Downloads' etc. When after a day or so I realize they all worked
    and I have forgotten to fix the launchers. That one got me for sure. The launcher to
    open a text file using 'kate <filename>' didn't work since kate was replaced with kwrite,
    but that was one in a few.

    The last startling twist was that the custom desktop themes I have created and tweaked
    over the years that has GTK3/4 configs along with cinnamon (useless here though) works in
    Feren. Seems when you are in settings->appearance looking at application themes, one of
    the configs to it is to pick a gtk setting. And once I copied my good ole Mint theme
    into place, I was able to pick that. And now all the appropriate desktop looks like my
    Mint. Same dark orange appearance with the dark walnut wood grain highlights. Wow.

    The down side of that is I won't have the typical theming setup that other KDE systems
    have, but at least I have the Plasma config I can learn and play with.

    All in all I think I've found a KDE system I'm going to like and it should give me
    something to play with.

    If you got this far, thanks for reading. Maybe I gave you something to think about.
    --
    Linux Mint 22.1, Thunderbird 128.13.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 141.0.3
    Alan K.

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  • From Mike Easter@MikeE@ster.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Aug 10 09:17:17 2025
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    Alan K. wrote:
    My saga of playing with KDE.-a TL;DR

    I've been a long time user of Linux Mint.-a It was my first Linux with
    Mint 13.

    My everyday driver is LM Cinn. I regularly boot a LOT of different
    distro/s live, and I'm a big fan of KDE, but I also like just using a
    WM, and I like XFCE as well. I generally don't like Gnome as a DE, but I appreciate the dev that comes out of that 'umbrella'.

    I recently read an article in DW about adding the KDE desktop to LM, and
    I hadn't tried to mix desktop toolkits in years because the last time I
    did that, the menu was a big mess. This time it worked out fine just
    adding the KDE desktop instead of 'full'.

    I like for the dev of a KDE distro to try to keep the KDE 'light' in
    terms of resource usage live to the desktop; Neon does that pretty well;
    most do not.

    In terms of resources used to the live desktop, I recently observed that
    Q4OS TDE uses 10% LESS resources than Sparky's OB WM over Deb. I'm very impressed w/ how Timothy Pearson and crew have managed to maintain their
    forks of the Qt toolkit as well as the '3.5' KDE alive and well.
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    Mike Easter
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  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Aug 10 14:37:15 2025
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    On 8/10/25 12:17 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
    Alan K. wrote:
    My saga of playing with KDE.-a TL;DR

    I've been a long time user of Linux Mint.-a It was my first Linux with Mint 13.

    My everyday driver is LM Cinn. I regularly boot a LOT of different distro/s live, and I'm
    a big fan of KDE, but I also like just using a WM, and I like XFCE as well. I generally
    don't like Gnome as a DE, but I appreciate the dev that comes out of that 'umbrella'.

    I recently read an article in DW about adding the KDE desktop to LM, and I hadn't tried to
    mix desktop toolkits in years because the last time I did that, the menu was a big mess.
    This time it worked out fine just adding the KDE desktop instead of 'full'.

    I like for the dev of a KDE distro to try to keep the KDE 'light' in terms of resource
    usage live to the desktop; Neon does that pretty well; most do not.

    In terms of resources used to the live desktop, I recently observed that Q4OS TDE uses 10%
    LESS resources than Sparky's OB WM over Deb. I'm very impressed w/ how Timothy Pearson and
    crew have managed to maintain their forks of the Qt toolkit as well as the '3.5' KDE alive
    and well.

    Putting KDE onto Mint would be interesting. You could log out, and login with another DE.
    You could flip from one to the other but keep your data and files and software.
    --
    Linux Mint 22.1, Thunderbird 128.13.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 141.0.3
    Alan K.
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  • From Mike Easter@MikeE@ster.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Aug 10 12:20:44 2025
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    Alan K. wrote:
    Putting KDE onto Mint would be interesting.-a You could log out, and
    login with another DE. -a-a You could flip from one to the other but keep your data and files and software.

    Yes; that is what I tested w/ a live LM Cinn + kde desktop.

    As you might imagine, quite a bit of 'stuff' got added. Altho' I didn't
    test the 'full' this time, many long years ago when I was adding KDE to
    a Gnome desktop, that menu result was a mess.

    I'm also interested to see if the LMDE works out just as well. This
    time I'm going to examine more in the LM tools.
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    Mike Easter
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  • From Mike Easter@MikeE@ster.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Aug 10 13:17:50 2025
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    Mike Easter wrote:
    I'm also interested to see if the LMDE works out just as well.-a This
    time I'm going to examine more in the LM tools.

    Another advantage to booting up LMDE is to check out mkusb for
    persistence. The last time I tried it on LM it didn't work. mkusb often cautions over the difference between Deb & Ub, but the recent
    persistence problem was the first time I had run into LM not being
    workable w/ mkusb.
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    Mike Easter
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  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Aug 10 18:13:42 2025
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    On 8/10/25 4:17 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
    Mike Easter wrote:
    I'm also interested to see if the LMDE works out just as well.-a This time I'm going to
    examine more in the LM tools.

    Another advantage to booting up LMDE is to check out mkusb for persistence. The last time
    I tried it on LM it didn't work. mkusb often cautions over the difference between Deb &
    Ub, but the recent persistence problem was the first time I had run into LM not being
    workable w/ mkusb.

    There are two kde desktops (other than full). Standard, and Plasma. Plasma says minimal
    applications.

    Which would you load?
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    Linux Mint 22.1, Thunderbird 128.13.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 141.0.3
    Alan K.
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  • From Mike Easter@MikeE@ster.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Aug 10 16:16:33 2025
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    Alan K. wrote:
    There are two kde desktops (other than full).-a Standard, and Plasma. Plasma says minimal applications.

    Which would you load?

    My previous good experience was w/ standard; but I didn't test some
    aspects of Mint which I'm going to do w/ standard on LMDE.
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    Mike Easter
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  • From Mike Easter@MikeE@ster.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Aug 10 16:25:44 2025
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    Mike Easter wrote:
    Alan K. wrote:
    There are two kde desktops (other than full).-a Standard, and Plasma.
    Plasma says minimal applications.

    Which would you load?

    My previous good experience was w/ standard; but I didn't test some
    aspects of Mint which I'm going to do w/ standard on LMDE.

    I just looked at the 2 different descriptions in synaptic; standard
    depends on a lot more than plasma.

    My prediction is that if I would compare the two, when I would boot the
    kde desktop instead of cinnamon, I would have a lot more kde-related
    stuff with standard.

    That being said, I don't recall the cinnamon menu being cluttered w/ kde stuff, so maybe somehow that is being avoided differently than it was
    years ago when I did a 'dual' Gnome-KDE exam.
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    Mike Easter
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  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.os.linux.mint on Mon Aug 11 12:01:53 2025
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    On 8/10/25 7:25 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
    Mike Easter wrote:
    Alan K. wrote:
    There are two kde desktops (other than full).-a Standard, and Plasma. Plasma says
    minimal applications.

    Which would you load?

    My previous good experience was w/ standard; but I didn't test some aspects of Mint
    which I'm going to do w/ standard on LMDE.

    I just looked at the 2 different descriptions in synaptic; standard depends on a lot more
    than plasma.

    My prediction is that if I would compare the two, when I would boot the kde desktop
    instead of cinnamon, I would have a lot more kde-related stuff with standard.

    That being said, I don't recall the cinnamon menu being cluttered w/ kde stuff, so maybe
    somehow that is being avoided differently than it was years ago when I did a 'dual' Gnome-
    KDE exam.

    That was my thought. I'd do standard. I may whip up a vm or such an try. I'm not
    messing with this system.
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    Linux Mint 22.1, Thunderbird 128.13.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 141.0.3
    Alan K.
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Tue Aug 12 07:37:22 2025
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    On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 12:01:53 -0400, Alan K. wrote:

    I'd do standard. I may whip up a vm or such an try. I'm not messing
    with this system.

    GUIs are just a bunch of userland packages. You can add and remove them
    with no impact on the core of the system.
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  • From Dr. Noah Bodie@noah@bodie.not to alt.os.linux.mint on Wed Aug 27 15:42:28 2025
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    On 2025-08-09 07:33 PM, Alan K. wrote:
    Well, a few days ago I loaded Feren OS. It's an interesting KDE DE on
    the surface. Similar settings app like others. It's the updates,
    update manager, and file manager that threw me. Feren uses the same
    synaptic and update manager that Mint uses. Same front end to apt.

    I am trying it now and it does not look very impressive.
    Also I can't find "Kalarm" in the repo and I use that app daily.
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  • From Mike Easter@MikeE@ster.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Wed Aug 27 13:27:55 2025
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    Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
    Alan K. wrote:
    Well, a few days ago I loaded Feren OS. It's an interesting KDE DE
    on the surface. Similar settings app like others. It's the
    updates, update manager, and file manager that threw me. Feren
    uses the same synaptic and update manager that Mint uses. Same
    front end to apt.

    I am trying it now and it does not look very impressive. Also I
    can't find "Kalarm" in the repo and I use that app daily.

    Kalarm for Ub distro/s is in the Ub universe repo. If that repo isn't
    enabled, you won't see it.

    I try a lot of live distro/s and I like various KDEs, but I've never
    tried Feren. I'm reading an interesting bit in the DW entry for it:

    Prior to November 2020, the distribution was based on Linux Mint and
    included an edition with the Cinnamon desktop.

    LM last KDE release was in '17.

    Now I'm kinda curious what Feren has done w/ their KDE.
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    Mike Easter
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  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.os.linux.mint on Wed Aug 27 17:32:06 2025
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    On 8/27/25 4:27 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
    Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
    Alan K. wrote:
    Well, a few days ago I loaded Feren OS. It's an interesting KDE DE
    on the surface. Similar settings app like others. It's the
    updates, update manager, and file manager that threw me. Feren
    uses the same synaptic and update manager that Mint uses. Same
    front end to apt.

    I am trying it now and it does not look very impressive. Also I
    can't find "Kalarm" in the repo and I use that app daily.

    Kalarm for Ub distro/s is in the Ub universe repo. If that repo isn't enabled, you won't see it.

    I try a lot of live distro/s and I like various KDEs, but I've never
    tried Feren. I'm reading an interesting bit in the DW entry for it:

    Prior to November 2020, the distribution was based on Linux Mint and
    included an edition with the Cinnamon desktop.

    LM last KDE release was in '17.

    Now I'm kinda curious what Feren has done w/ their KDE.


    I like the minor twist with update-manager but some of the display stuff is not what I
    call pure KDE.

    In Mint cinnamon I have a hand tweaked theme I like. It's useless for KDE except Feren.
    When you set the 'applications' theme, whatever you pick, you can go in and specify the
    GTK theme. From that drop down I can pick my Mint theme since it has a gtk2 3 &4
    folders. (kinda covers the bases). And sure enough my entire applications are themed just
    like Mint Cinnamon does. Love it.

    Only side effect is, if I want to learn how to theme KDE, this feature IIRC is not there,
    making my education a bit lame. I like KDE in some ways and wanted to get into themes.
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    Linux Mint 22.1, Thunderbird 128.14.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 142.0
    Alan K.
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  • From Mike Easter@MikeE@ster.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Wed Aug 27 15:15:13 2025
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    Mike Easter wrote:
    Now I'm kinda curious what Feren has done w/ their KDE.

    Feren 'features' its 'Store' which is actually Mint Install. Personally
    I prefer Synaptic to various DE 'software' package managers, because it
    is more 'reliable' for me.

    Feren's Synaptic and its sources say that universe and multiverse repo/s
    are accessible, and that Kalarm is accessible from synaptic.

    Alan K. wrote:

    I can't find "Kalarm" in the repo
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    Mike Easter
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  • From Dr. Noah Bodie@noah@bodie.not to alt.os.linux.mint on Wed Aug 27 21:37:52 2025
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    On 2025-08-27 06:32 PM, Alan K. wrote:
    I like the minor twist with update-manager but some of the display stuff
    is not what I call pure KDE.

    In Mint cinnamon I have a hand tweaked theme I like. It's useless for
    KDE except Feren. When you set the 'applications' theme, whatever you
    pick, you can go in and specify the GTK theme. From that drop down I
    can pick my Mint theme since it has a gtk2 3 &4 folders. (kinda covers
    the bases). And sure enough my entire applications are themed just like
    Mint Cinnamon does. Love it.

    Only side effect is, if I want to learn how to theme KDE, this feature
    IIRC is not there, making my education a bit lame. I like KDE in some
    ways and wanted to get into themes.

    I like KDE but it has become bloatware and has waaay too many options
    which slows it down.
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  • From Mike Easter@MikeE@ster.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Wed Aug 27 19:10:40 2025
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    Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
    I like KDE but it has become bloatware and has waaay too many options
    which slows it down.

    Some KDEs are about equal in resource usage to XFCE and much lower than
    say Cinnamon or Gnome.
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    Mike Easter
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  • From Mike Easter@MikeE@ster.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Wed Aug 27 19:53:56 2025
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    Mike Easter wrote:
    Some KDEs are about equal in resource usage to XFCE and much lower than
    say Cinnamon or Gnome.

    q4os KDE live to the desktop is ~900; MX XFCE is just a little more.

    However, MX KDE is NOT light; and the lightweight of q4os is of course
    his TDE Trinity DE version, a fork of 'old' KDE.

    Historically Neon KDE has been pretty light; I haven't checked lately.
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    Mike Easter
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