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I want to add the C drive* from a working LM 22.x PC via USB to another
LM 22.x PC for the purpose of transferring a lot of personal files. ie. Photos, docs, PDF, etc., My question is.. would the Linux installations
on the drives somehow interfere with or corrupt each other in any way? I know I can use a USB stick to-a transfer the files, but just connecting
the actual C drive via usb saves having to transfer the files twice.
(once to USB stick then from the USB stick to the main PC).
* sorry, I don't know the linux name for the drive with the OS
TIA
--
Linux Mint 22.1
I want to add the C drive* ...
* sorry, I don't know the linux name for the drive with the OS
My question is.. would the Linux installations on the drives somehow interfere with or corrupt each other in any way?
I want to add the C drive* from a working LM 22.x PC via USB to another LM 22.x PC for the
purpose of transferring a lot of personal files. ie. Photos, docs, PDF, etc., My question
is.. would the Linux installations on the drives somehow interfere with or corrupt each
other in any way? I know I can use a USB stick to-a transfer the files, but just connecting
the actual C drive via usb saves having to transfer the files twice. (once to USB stick
then from the USB stick to the main PC).
* sorry, I don't know the linux name for the drive with the OS
TIA
--
Linux Mint 22.1
as /media/alan/DATA or /media/alan/C_Drive
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I want to add the C drive* from a working LM 22.x PC via USB to another
LM 22.x PC for the purpose of transferring a lot of personal files. ie. Photos, docs, PDF, etc., My question is.. would the Linux installations
on the drives somehow interfere with or corrupt each other in any way? I know I can use a USB stick to-a transfer the files, but just connecting
the actual C drive via usb saves having to transfer the files twice.
(once to USB stick then from the USB stick to the main PC).
* sorry, I don't know the linux name for the drive with the OS
TIA
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 23:04:52 -0400, Alan K. wrote:
as /media/alan/DATA or /media/alan/C_Drive
What happened to rCLArCY and rCLBrCY drives?
In a similar way, USB card readers have been assigned E,F,G,H even when
no media is present. The optical drive could be D, and not have media in
the tray and still use a letter.
[etc etc]
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 03:41:15 -0400, Paul wrote:
In a similar way, USB card readers have been assigned E,F,G,H even when
no media is present. The optical drive could be D, and not have media in
the tray and still use a letter.
[etc etc]
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?
On 2025-08-13, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 03:41:15 -0400, Paul wrote:
In a similar way, USB card readers have been assigned E,F,G,H even when
no media is present. The optical drive could be D, and not have media in >>> the tray and still use a letter.
[etc etc]
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?
As I recall, you can't do that. But it's also been close to that many
years since I've actually managed windows systems.
As I recall, you can't do that. But it's also been close to that many
years since I've actually managed windows systems.
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 03:41:15 -0400, Paul wrote:
In a similar way, USB card readers have been assigned E,F,G,H even when
no media is present. The optical drive could be D, and not have media in
the tray and still use a letter.
[etc etc]
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?
You watch a Youtube video.
"What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?
You watch a Youtube video.
"What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
Cowards. There are something like 1200 capital letters in Unicode, they
could have used all of them before giving up.
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?
You watch a Youtube video.
"What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
Cowards. There are something like 1200 capital letters in Unicode, they
could have used all of them before giving up.
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
They could even do AA AB AC AD etc. drive AC:\home ?
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 09:18:55 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:
On 2025-08-13, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?
As I recall, you can't do that.
You're right, you can't do that. Which is why if you do have more
than that many drives, you need to use mount points like in a *nix
system.
Like
c:\drive001
Strange how when a limitation in Windows is reached, it relies upon methodologies long employed in *nix systems to get around it.
Windows mount points introduce their own compatibility issues though,
donrCOt they.
Another thing is, on Windows, the drive letter is both the device name
and the mount-point name. On *nix systems like Linux, the two are
distinct. Thus, the 676th SCSI/SATA drive might have a name like rCL/dev/sdyzrCY, but it might be mounted on a directory with a more meaningful name, like rCL/media/blue harvest raw footagerCY.
Although I would not advise spaces in the mount name, as it makes it a
pain to reference stuff in there on *nix systems.
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 11:02:43 +1000, Felix wrote:
I want to add the C drive* ...The root directory of the filesystem is called rCL/rCY, commonly pronounced rCLrootrCY.
* sorry, I don't know the linux name for the drive with the OS
(Aussies feel free to go fnarr-fnarr.)
My question is.. would the Linux installations on the drives somehowHaving two bootable drives in the same machine at boot time could indeed cause confusion. If you connect the other drive via USB after the first
interfere with or corrupt each other in any way?
one has already booted, that will be fine.
On 8/12/25 9:02 PM, Felix wrote:
I agree with others, no issue.
I want to add the C drive* from a working LM 22.x PC via USB to
another LM 22.x PC for the purpose of transferring a lot of personal
files. ie. Photos, docs, PDF, etc., My question is.. would the Linux
installations on the drives somehow interfere with or corrupt each
other in any way? I know I can use a USB stick to-a transfer the
files, but just connecting the actual C drive via usb saves having to
transfer the files twice. (once to USB stick then from the USB stick
to the main PC).
* sorry, I don't know the linux name for the drive with the OS
TIA
--
Linux Mint 22.1
When you plug in the HD, normally it mounts in
/media/<username>/DeviceName.
That device name is or could be unusual.-a I run up gparted and name
the drive so it mounts as /media/alan/DATA or /media/alan/C_Drive-a-a-a
It's easier for me to know what I have mounted.
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 23:04:52 -0400, Alan K. wrote:
as /media/alan/DATA or /media/alan/C_DriveWhat happened to rCLArCY and rCLBrCY drives?
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:Cowards. There are something like 1200 capital letters in Unicode, they
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?You watch a Youtube video.
"What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
could have used all of them before giving up.
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
did you mean iomega?
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
On 2025-08-13, Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
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I want to add the C drive* from a working LM 22.x PC via USB to another
LM 22.x PC for the purpose of transferring a lot of personal files. ie.
Photos, docs, PDF, etc., My question is.. would the Linux installations
on the drives somehow interfere with or corrupt each other in any way? I
know I can use a USB stick to-a transfer the files, but just connecting
the actual C drive via usb saves having to transfer the files twice.
(once to USB stick then from the USB stick to the main PC).
* sorry, I don't know the linux name for the drive with the OS
ssh and rsync installed on both machines.
Now you say these "C" driives are each attached on separate machines
each running Linux Mint. You do not say whether they are also attached
to networks (either by ethernet cable or by wireless).
On LM1 ( the
machine containing the C drive now containing those personal files you
want to transfer)
rsync -avxAHX /path/to/C/drive/directory LM2:/path/to/C/drive
That will transfer all of the files in /path/to/C/drive/directory on LM1 to machine /path/to/C/drive/directory on the the machine LM2. It also
compares hashes of the files on the first machine to the hash of the
drive transfered to LM2 to make sure that no error has crept into the tranfer. The speed is limited to the speed of the network connecting
them
If you have the drive C which contains the personal files, there is absolutely nothing which prevents you from installing that same drive
onto the other machine. Just give it a different name.
Eg on LM2, as root to
mkdir /Cold
mount /dev/sdb6 /Cold
then you can trasfer the files from /Cold to /C using rsync, or cp.
No need for networks or usb cables.
Note that this is NOT Windows. C has no meaning except what you give
it. When the directory is mounted it is solely thename you give it
(Cold above) the system does not look into Cold and see that it is a
Microsoft file or a boot file.
In fact under Linux you control the file or directlry names.
--TIA
William Unruh wrote:
[...]
Now you say these "C" driives are each attached on separate machines
each running Linux Mint. You do not say whether they are also attached
to networks (either by ethernet cable or by wireless).
the machines are connected to the same router via ethernet cables, but
are not on a network
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 23:04:52 -0400, Alan K. wrote:
as /media/alan/DATA or /media/alan/C_DriveWhat happened to rCLArCY and rCLBrCY drives?
they're floppies
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:Cowards. There are something like 1200 capital letters in Unicode, they
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?You watch a Youtube video.
-a-a-a "What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?"
-a-a-a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
could have used all of them before giving up.
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
did you mean iomega? I have a 100 mb drive in one of my PC's
On 2025-08-14, Felix wrote:
William Unruh wrote:This makes no sense. Do you mean to say that you simply have no network shares?
[...]the machines are connected to the same router via ethernet cables, but
Now you say these "C" driives are each attached on separate machines
each running Linux Mint. You do not say whether they are also attached
to networks (either by ethernet cable or by wireless).
are not on a network
On 14/8/2025 3:20 pm, Felix wrote:
Richard Kettlewell wrote:I have 250 meg and 750 meg Iomega Zip drives - in a box, unloved and forgotten.
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:Cowards. There are something like 1200 capital letters in Unicode, they
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?You watch a Youtube video.
-a-a-a "What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?"
-a-a-a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
could have used all of them before giving up.
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
did you mean iomega? I have a 100 mb drive in one of my PC's
On 14/8/2025 2:38 pm, Felix wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:I haven't had a floppy drive in a computer for yonks, the last 3 new
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 23:04:52 -0400, Alan K. wrote:
as /media/alan/DATA or /media/alan/C_DriveWhat happened to rCLArCY and rCLBrCY drives?
they're floppies
ones didn't even have CD/DVD drives.
Even the few PCs I have built in recent times - like the past 20 years
- had 250 Meg Zip Drives and they were rarely used. A: and B: names
should be freed up to reflect current computer usage.
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?
You watch a Youtube video.
"What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
Cowards. There are something like 1200 capital letters in Unicode, they
could have used all of them before giving up.
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote at 18:44 this
Wednesday (GMT):
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?
You watch a Youtube video.
"What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
Cowards. There are something like 1200 capital letters in Unicode, they
could have used all of them before giving up.
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
Aren't there a lot of non-printing characters in Unicode?
Also, there is some software that doesn't handle Unicode paths.
On 14/8/2025 2:38 pm, Felix wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:I haven't had a floppy drive in a computer for yonks, the last 3 new ones didn't even have CD/DVD drives. Even the few PCs I have built in recent times - like the past 20 years - had 250 Meg Zip Drives and they were rarely used. A: and B: names should be freed up to reflect current computer usage.
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 23:04:52 -0400, Alan K. wrote:
as /media/alan/DATA or /media/alan/C_DriveWhat happened to rCLArCY and rCLBrCY drives?
they're floppies
Dan Purgert wrote:
On 2025-08-14, Felix wrote:
William Unruh wrote:This makes no sense.-a Do you mean to say that you simply have no network
[...]the machines are connected to the same router via ethernet cables, but
Now you say these "C" driives are each attached on separate machines
each running Linux Mint. You do not say whether they are also attached >>>> to networks (either by ethernet cable or by wireless).
are not on a network
shares?
I don't know anything about networks
Aren't there a lot of non-printing characters in Unicode?
On Thu, 8/14/2025 9:13 AM, Felix wrote:
Dan Purgert wrote:Sure you do. You're sending packets to USENET :-)
On 2025-08-14, Felix wrote:I don't know anything about networks
William Unruh wrote:This makes no sense.-a Do you mean to say that you simply have no network >>> shares?
[...]the machines are connected to the same router via ethernet cables, but >>>> are not on a network
Now you say these "C" driives are each attached on separate machines >>>>> each running Linux Mint. You do not say whether they are also attached >>>>> to networks (either by ethernet cable or by wireless).
If your Ethernet port did not work, you would
just contact us and ask. Um... Well, maybe not.
The Ethernet NIC on my Asus motherboard, LM221 does
not have a driver for it. I use a USB3 to Ethernet (GbE)
adapter with an ASIX chip, as that brand seems to have
drivers in lots of OSes. That's how I get out of scrapes
with the mystery-meat Ethernet.
It's even worse, with the hardware monitor in the SuperIO.
*Nothing* has drivers for that :-/ (Sensors cannot read it.)
The only way to see a temperature or voltage reading for that hardware,
is in a page in the BIOS screen. Doesn't work anywhere else.
Paul--
On Thu, 8/14/2025 8:35 AM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/8/2025 2:38 pm, Felix wrote:They (A and B) are available. On computers with the floppy disk controller disabled
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:I haven't had a floppy drive in a computer for yonks, the last 3 new ones didn't even have CD/DVD drives. Even the few PCs I have built in recent times - like the past 20 years - had 250 Meg Zip Drives and they were rarely used. A: and B: names should be freed up to reflect current computer usage.
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 23:04:52 -0400, Alan K. wrote:they're floppies
as /media/alan/DATA or /media/alan/C_DriveWhat happened to rCLArCY and rCLBrCY drives?
or non-existent, the letters are in the Disk Management list as candidates.
They are just not automatically dispensed, but are available to be
manually dispensed. You will not find one of your Windows partitions
set to A or B via the OS by accident.
diskpart.exe
select disk 0
select partition 2
assign letter=a
exit
And no, I wouldn't do that. That's to show they aren't wasted.
You can get at them. "A and B can run, but they can't hide."
Paul
Xeno wrote:
On 14/8/2025 2:38 pm, Felix wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:I haven't had a floppy drive in a computer for yonks, the last 3 new
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 23:04:52 -0400, Alan K. wrote:
as /media/alan/DATA or /media/alan/C_DriveWhat happened to rCLArCY and rCLBrCY drives?
they're floppies
ones didn't even have CD/DVD drives.
I have only a DVD drive in the main PC. In others I have floppy,
iomega, and blue ray DVD
Even the few PCs I have built in recent times - like the past 20
years - had 250 Meg Zip Drives and they were rarely used. A: and B:
names should be freed up to reflect current computer usage.
I've always assigned the letter Z to the Zip drive. easy to identify
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 15:20:06 +1000, Felix wrote:
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
did you mean iomega?
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
No, +-.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 05:53:08 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <107jtk4$aa41$1@dont-email.me>:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 15:20:06 +1000, Felix wrote:EfaUN+A+- ?
Richard Kettlewell wrote:No, +-.
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?did you mean iomega?
Felix wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 14/8/2025 2:38 pm, Felix wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:I haven't had a floppy drive in a computer for yonks, the last 3 new
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 23:04:52 -0400, Alan K. wrote:
as /media/alan/DATA or /media/alan/C_DriveWhat happened to rCLArCY and rCLBrCY drives?
they're floppies
ones didn't even have CD/DVD drives.
I have only a DVD drive in the main PC. In others I have floppy,
iomega, and blue ray DVD
come to think of it, I also have one with a 5.25 inch floppy
Even the few PCs I have built in recent times - like the past 20
years - had 250 Meg Zip Drives and they were rarely used. A: and B:
names should be freed up to reflect current computer usage.
I've always assigned the letter Z to the Zip drive. easy to identify
On Thu, 8/14/2025 8:35 AM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/8/2025 2:38 pm, Felix wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:I haven't had a floppy drive in a computer for yonks, the last 3 new ones didn't even have CD/DVD drives. Even the few PCs I have built in recent times - like the past 20 years - had 250 Meg Zip Drives and they were rarely used. A: and B: names should be freed up to reflect current computer usage.
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 23:04:52 -0400, Alan K. wrote:
as /media/alan/DATA or /media/alan/C_DriveWhat happened to rCLArCY and rCLBrCY drives?
they're floppies
They (A and B) are available. On computers with the floppy disk controller disabled
or non-existent, the letters are in the Disk Management list as candidates.
They are just not automatically dispensed, but are available to be
manually dispensed. You will not find one of your Windows partitions
set to A or B via the OS by accident.
diskpart.exe
select disk 0
select partition 2
assign letter=a
exit
And no, I wouldn't do that. That's to show they aren't wasted.
You can get at them. "A and B can run, but they can't hide."
Paul
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote at 18:44 this
Wednesday (GMT):
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?
You watch a Youtube video.
"What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
Cowards. There are something like 1200 capital letters in Unicode, they
could have used all of them before giving up.
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
Aren't there a lot of non-printing characters in Unicode?
So what?
Also, there is some software that doesn't handle Unicode paths.
So what? l-)
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 16:30:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Aren't there a lot of non-printing characters in Unicode?
By definition, Unicode is (almost) entirely about printing characters.
What I meant is that most fonts don't have codepoints for every
possible Unicode character, so it would either have to use a
fallback font (might mess up rendering or line height) or just
render it invisibly/as a box.
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> writes: >>> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?
You watch a Youtube video.
"What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
Cowards. There are something like 1200 capital letters in Unicode, they >>>> could have used all of them before giving up.
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
Aren't there a lot of non-printing characters in Unicode?
So what?
Also, there is some software that doesn't handle Unicode paths.
So what? l-)
People would absolutely complain to devs about it breaking programs...
Xeno wrote:
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:Cowards. There are something like 1200 capital letters in Unicode, they >>>> could have used all of them before giving up.
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?You watch a Youtube video.
-a-a-a "What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?"
-a-a-a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
did you mean iomega? I have a 100 mb drive in one of my PC'sI have 250 meg and 750 meg Iomega Zip drives - in a box, unloved and
forgotten.
still selling on eBay
Felix wrote:
Xeno wrote:
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:Cowards. There are something like 1200 capital letters in Unicode, they >>>>> could have used all of them before giving up.
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?You watch a Youtube video.
-a-a-a "What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?" >>>>>>
-a-a-a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
*waves hand*
i had one for a very short time before it stopped working.
did you mean iomega? I have a 100 mb drive in one of my PC'sI have 250 meg and 750 meg Iomega Zip drives - in a box, unloved and
forgotten.
still selling on eBay
nothing to use on them and no reason now with 4-8TB
sized SSDs available for reasonable prices.
songbird
On 16/8/2025 9:13 pm, songbird wrote:
Felix wrote:
Xeno wrote:
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:Cowards. There are something like 1200 capital letters in
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?You watch a Youtube video.
-a-a-a-a "What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?" >>>>>>>
-a-a-a-a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
Unicode, they
could have used all of them before giving up.
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
-a-a *waves hand*
-a-a i had one for a very short time before it stopped working.
did you mean iomega? I have a 100 mb drive in one of my PC'sI have 250 meg and 750 meg Iomega Zip drives - in a box, unloved and
forgotten.
still selling on eBay
-a-a nothing to use on them and no reason now with 4-8TB
sized SSDs available for reasonable prices.
-a-a songbird
Which is why mine are in a box, unloved and unused!
I have 250 meg and 750 meg Iomega Zip drives - in a box, unloved and forgotten.
Xeno wrote:
On 16/8/2025 9:13 pm, songbird wrote:
Felix wrote:
Xeno wrote:
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 8/13/2025 4:25 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:Cowards. There are something like 1200 capital letters in
What happens if you have more than 26 drives?You watch a Youtube video.
-a-a-a-a "What Happens if You Have More than 26 Drives on Windows?" >>>>>>>>
-a-a-a-a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyBF3D7zhY
Unicode, they
could have used all of them before giving up.
Seriously, who wouldnrCOt want an Omega drive?
-a-a *waves hand*
-a-a i had one for a very short time before it stopped working.
did you mean iomega? I have a 100 mb drive in one of my PC'sI have 250 meg and 750 meg Iomega Zip drives - in a box, unloved and >>>>> forgotten.
still selling on eBay
-a-a nothing to use on them and no reason now with 4-8TB
sized SSDs available for reasonable prices.
-a-a songbird
Which is why mine are in a box, unloved and unused!
I thought they could be useful for confidential files. No thief is
likely to want to steal iomega disks. :)
A burnt CD has as much capacity, is in some cases - rewritable, and is
easier to fit into a SAFE. Zip disks are NOT paragons of reliability.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 15:59:27 +1000, Xeno wrote:
A burnt CD has as much capacity, is in some cases - rewritable, and is
easier to fit into a SAFE. Zip disks are NOT paragons of reliability.
Rewritable optical media were never paragons of reliability, either.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 22:36:40 +1000, Xeno wrote:
I have 250 meg and 750 meg Iomega Zip drives - in a box, unloved and
forgotten.
I bought my 1998-vintage (beige) PowerMac G3 with a built-in Zip drive.
That worked fine for a few years ... until the Click of Death happened.
On 17/8/2025 5:07 pm, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 15:59:27 +1000, Xeno wrote:
A burnt CD has as much capacity, is in some cases - rewritable, and is
easier to fit into a SAFE. Zip disks are NOT paragons of reliability.
Rewritable optical media were never paragons of reliability, either.
But they take up little space so - backups of backups.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 17:40:48 +1000, Xeno wrote:
On 17/8/2025 5:07 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 15:59:27 +1000, Xeno wrote:
A burnt CD has as much capacity, is in some cases - rewritable, and is >>>> easier to fit into a SAFE. Zip disks are NOT paragons of reliability.
Rewritable optical media were never paragons of reliability, either.
But they take up little space so - backups of backups.
I used write-once media for that.
Nowadays USB sticks are even more compact.
In alt.os.linux.debian Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 17:40:48 +1000, Xeno wrote:
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On 17/8/2025 5:07 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 15:59:27 +1000, Xeno wrote:
Rewritable optical media were never paragons of reliability, either.
A burnt CD has as much capacity, is in some cases - rewritable, and is >>>>> easier to fit into a SAFE. Zip disks are NOT paragons of reliability. >>>>
But they take up little space so - backups of backups.
I used write-once media for that.
Such discs still degrade, just maybe not as fast.
Nowadays USB sticks are even more compact.
But also vulnerable to degrading over time.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 17:40:48 +1000, Xeno wrote:
On 17/8/2025 5:07 pm, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:I used write-once media for that.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 15:59:27 +1000, Xeno wrote:But they take up little space so - backups of backups.
A burnt CD has as much capacity, is in some cases - rewritable, and is >>>> easier to fit into a SAFE. Zip disks are NOT paragons of reliability.Rewritable optical media were never paragons of reliability, either.
Nowadays USB sticks are even more compact.
On 18 Aug 2025 08:18:31 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In alt.os.linux.debian Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 17:40:48 +1000, Xeno wrote:
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On 17/8/2025 5:07 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 15:59:27 +1000, Xeno wrote:
Rewritable optical media were never paragons of reliability, either.
A burnt CD has as much capacity, is in some cases - rewritable, and is >>>>>> easier to fit into a SAFE. Zip disks are NOT paragons of reliability. >>>>>
But they take up little space so - backups of backups.
I used write-once media for that.
Such discs still degrade, just maybe not as fast.
They did last for a few years. Unlike rewritable media.
Nowadays USB sticks are even more compact.
But also vulnerable to degrading over time.
They would last even longer.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 17:40:48 +1000, Xeno wrote:
On 17/8/2025 5:07 pm, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 15:59:27 +1000, Xeno wrote:
A burnt CD has as much capacity, is in some cases - rewritable, and is >>>> easier to fit into a SAFE. Zip disks are NOT paragons of reliability.
Rewritable optical media were never paragons of reliability, either.
But they take up little space so - backups of backups.
I used write-once media for that.
Nowadays USB sticks are even more compact.
yes, USB sticks are the best option for convenient data storage.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 17:40:48 +1000, Xeno wrote:
On 17/8/2025 5:07 pm, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 15:59:27 +1000, Xeno wrote:
A burnt CD has as much capacity, is in some cases - rewritable, and is >>>> easier to fit into a SAFE. Zip disks are NOT paragons of reliability.
Rewritable optical media were never paragons of reliability, either.
But they take up little space so - backups of backups.
I used write-once media for that.
Nowadays USB sticks are even more compact.
On Sun, 8/17/2025 8:15 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
USB sticks, the NAND does not last forever ...
On 18 Aug 2025 08:18:31 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In alt.os.linux.debian Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 17:40:48 +1000, Xeno wrote:
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On 17/8/2025 5:07 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 15:59:27 +1000, Xeno wrote:
A burnt CD has as much capacity, is in some cases - rewritable,
and is easier to fit into a SAFE. Zip disks are NOT paragons of
reliability.
Rewritable optical media were never paragons of reliability,
either.
But they take up little space so - backups of backups.
I used write-once media for that.
Such discs still degrade, just maybe not as fast.
They did last for a few years. Unlike rewritable media.
Nowadays USB sticks are even more compact.
But also vulnerable to degrading over time.
They would last even longer.
... and the USB stick is a poor archival media.
On Sun, 8/17/2025 10:09 PM, Felix wrote:
yes, USB sticks are the best option for convenient data storage.
The charge is estimated to stay on the floating gates for ten years.
On Sun, 8/17/2025 10:09 PM, Felix wrote:
yes, USB sticks are the best option for convenient data storage.The charge is estimated to stay on the floating gates for ten years.
What kind of Reed Solomon error corrector is used in a USB stick ?
SSDs have much better handling of the media than a USB stick does.
Find this kind of USB flash stick instead. This is an SSD architecture, rather than a common USB stick design. I doubt you can find the
level of technical detail required to impress, but something
like this might have working Wear Leveling and sparing. The
reviews only give speed benchmarks, and the comments in the articles
betray a lack of info even to the reviewer to use. These can do
800MB/sec, but the SLC cache eventually runs out and prolonged
writes slow down (it behaves like it has TLC inside, which is
a reasonable assumption). The thing likely gets warm when you do a long write.
Some of these things, would be better packaged in metal housings,
if they're going to get warm in usage.
https://www.patriotmemory.com/products/rage-prime-usb-3-2-flash-drive
To test those, use a USB type A port with a *red* tab. I have only
one of those red tabs on my current computer. You would be using the red tab only for benching. Stick with blue tab ports for best SI (signal
integrity). I've noticed some items plugged into the red port,
are doing retries.
Just something for you to test and see whether
they did a good job on your motherboard PCB layout.
Paul
It wouldn't be a good idea to put USB 3 flash drives into 3.2 ports, I would think.
The computer would be trying to write to them faster than they're capable of writing,
which could lead to data error.
They did last for a few years. Unlike rewritable media.
Paul wrote:
On Sun, 8/17/2025 10:09 PM, Felix wrote:
yes, USB sticks are the best option for convenient data storage.The charge is estimated to stay on the floating gates for ten years.
What kind of Reed Solomon error corrector is used in a USB stick ?
SSDs have much better handling of the media than a USB stick does.
Find this kind of USB flash stick instead. This is an SSD architecture,
rather than a common USB stick design. I doubt you can find the
level of technical detail required to impress, but something
like this might have working Wear Leveling and sparing. The
reviews only give speed benchmarks, and the comments in the articles
betray a lack of info even to the reviewer to use. These can do
800MB/sec, but the SLC cache eventually runs out and prolonged
writes slow down (it behaves like it has TLC inside, which is
a reasonable assumption). The thing likely gets warm when you do a long write.
Some of these things, would be better packaged in metal housings,
if they're going to get warm in usage.
https://www.patriotmemory.com/products/rage-prime-usb-3-2-flash-drive
I really don't need them.
To test those, use a USB type A port with a *red* tab. I have only
one of those red tabs on my current computer. You would be using the red tab >> only for benching. Stick with blue tab ports for best SI (signal
integrity). I've noticed some items plugged into the red port,
are doing retries.
It wouldn't be a good idea to put USB 3 flash drives into 3.2 ports, I
would think. The computer would be trying to write to them faster than they're capable of writing, which could lead to data error.
On Mon, 8/18/2025 6:52 AM, Felix wrote:
It wouldn't be a good idea to put USB 3 flash drives into 3.2 ports, I would think.Everything that matters, has flow control.
The computer would be trying to write to them faster than they're capable of writing,
which could lead to data error.
No, you can't write too fast.
Flow control goes all the way up to the Application Layer.
Paul
On 18/08/2025 01:15, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
They did last for a few years. Unlike rewritable media.
I was intrigued as there is a shelf of writeable and re-writeable
media here. So I sampled them at random, when I had removed all the
crap off the shelf so I could get to the disks. They're accessed once
every 'never'! I should bin them but there is 33 years work and hobby history tied up in them. And I can guarantee there'll be a data sheet
on one of them about some obscure chip that I just will not be able to
find on the net if I bin them.
Anyway, results.
Stamped (mass produced) CD-ROM from 1995. All 630+ MB read with no
errors reported. Read quite slowly.
CD-R from 2001 with MC C++ v6.0. Read faster than the CD-ROM and again
no reported errors. 600+MB copied
CD-R from 2004 read with no errors. 600+MB copied
DVD-R from 2008 2GB read with no errors.
CD-RW from 2007 630MB read with no errors.
So a massive sample of 4 disks pulled at random all read perfectly. I
don't know how many soft correctable errors there were but CD / DVD
has a large amount of built error correction just to fix the fact
there can be errors on new media never mind old stuff.
Drive was a HL-DT GU90N which is a slim laptop style drive.
I was surprised the writeable media all read without problems. Now
having found a copy of Win XP SP3 I should see if I can find something
to install it on just for shits and giggles.
In aus.computers Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
Paul wrote:Last time I used a USB memory stick the other week it failed on me.
On Sun, 8/17/2025 10:09 PM, Felix wrote:
yes, USB sticks are the best option for convenient data storage.The charge is estimated to stay on the floating gates for ten years.
What kind of Reed Solomon error corrector is used in a USB stick ?
SSDs have much better handling of the media than a USB stick does.
It was a 16GB one that I hadn't used for many years.
The old data
read off OK and new files seemed to write onto it normally, but
when I later tried to read off the new files on another PC it
showed the stick full of files/directories with random characters,
and only one real directory left with correctly-named files and
contents. Writing the new data had quietly messed the whole stick
up, presumably due to some failure in the flash chip.
I don't know how you'd reliably tell a "common USB stick design"Find this kind of USB flash stick instead. This is an SSD architecture,
rather than a common USB stick design. I doubt you can find the
level of technical detail required to impress, but something
like this might have working Wear Leveling and sparing. The
reviews only give speed benchmarks, and the comments in the articles
betray a lack of info even to the reviewer to use. These can do
800MB/sec, but the SLC cache eventually runs out and prolonged
writes slow down (it behaves like it has TLC inside, which is
a reasonable assumption). The thing likely gets warm when you do a long write.
Some of these things, would be better packaged in metal housings,
if they're going to get warm in usage.
https://www.patriotmemory.com/products/rage-prime-usb-3-2-flash-drive >> I really don't need them.
from an "SSD architecture" anyway.
Going from the marketing guff
is never any guarantee. I'd go with M-Discs - keep the stuff to go
wrong in the drive, not the storage medium.
USB devices can tell the host what version they are when they'reTo test those, use a USB type A port with a *red* tab. I have onlyIt wouldn't be a good idea to put USB 3 flash drives into 3.2 ports, I
one of those red tabs on my current computer. You would be using the red tab
only for benching. Stick with blue tab ports for best SI (signal
integrity). I've noticed some items plugged into the red port,
are doing retries.
would think. The computer would be trying to write to them faster than
they're capable of writing, which could lead to data error.
first detected and it can treat them appropriately thereafter.
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.computers Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
Paul wrote:Last time I used a USB memory stick the other week it failed on me.
On Sun, 8/17/2025 10:09 PM, Felix wrote:
yes, USB sticks are the best option for convenient data storage.The charge is estimated to stay on the floating gates for ten years.
What kind of Reed Solomon error corrector is used in a USB stick ?
SSDs have much better handling of the media than a USB stick does.
It was a 16GB one that I hadn't used for many years.
was it a brand name?
In alt.os.linux.debian Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
was it a brand name?
Not really, "Shintaro".
In alt.os.linux.debian Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.computers Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
Paul wrote:Last time I used a USB memory stick the other week it failed on me.
On Sun, 8/17/2025 10:09 PM, Felix wrote:
yes, USB sticks are the best option for convenient data storage.The charge is estimated to stay on the floating gates for ten years. >>>>>
What kind of Reed Solomon error corrector is used in a USB stick ?
SSDs have much better handling of the media than a USB stick does.
It was a 16GB one that I hadn't used for many years.
was it a brand name?
Not really, "Shintaro". Seems Big W etc. still sell things from that
brand, but not familiar to me. The USB vendor ID is for "Alcor Micro
Corp.", but the dodgy Chinese manufacturers sometimes just lie with
that info.
Anyway hardly the first example I've seen. Sometimes when the stick
isn't recognised at all it can just be the clock crystal that's
failed. In fact it looks the same as the 4GB memory stick at the
top of the photo on this page about fixing sticks by replacing the
crystal: http://infar.be/index.php?/archives/1002-My-experiences-with-USB-FLASH-drive-drive-repair.html
The way this one died makes me think the flash chip or controller
are more likely at fault though, because the files in the one
directory that survived seemed to read back OK which is unlikely
if it was a fault with the crystal messing up communication with
the PC. I guess it could be intermittent though.
In alt.os.linux.debian Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Not really, "Shintaro". Seems Big W etc. still sell things from that
In aus.computers Felix <none@not.here> wrote:was it a brand name?
Paul wrote:Last time I used a USB memory stick the other week it failed on me.
On Sun, 8/17/2025 10:09 PM, Felix wrote:
yes, USB sticks are the best option for convenient data storage.The charge is estimated to stay on the floating gates for ten years. >>>>>
What kind of Reed Solomon error corrector is used in a USB stick ?
SSDs have much better handling of the media than a USB stick does.
It was a 16GB one that I hadn't used for many years.
brand, but not familiar to me.
The USB vendor ID is for "Alcor Micro
Corp.", but the dodgy Chinese manufacturers sometimes just lie with
that info.
Anyway hardly the first example I've seen. Sometimes when the stick
isn't recognised at all it can just be the clock crystal that's
failed. In fact it looks the same as the 4GB memory stick at the
top of the photo on this page about fixing sticks by replacing the
crystal: http://infar.be/index.php?/archives/1002-My-experiences-with-USB-FLASH-drive-drive-repair.html
The way this one died makes me think the flash chip or controller
are more likely at fault though, because the files in the one
directory that survived seemed to read back OK which is unlikely
if it was a fault with the crystal messing up communication with
the PC. I guess it could be intermittent though.
In alt.os.linux.debian Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 17:40:48 +1000, Xeno wrote:
On 17/8/2025 5:07 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 15:59:27 +1000, Xeno wrote:
A burnt CD has as much capacity, is in some cases - rewritable, and is >>>>> easier to fit into a SAFE. Zip disks are NOT paragons of reliability. >>>>Rewritable optical media were never paragons of reliability, either.
But they take up little space so - backups of backups.
I used write-once media for that.
Such discs still degrade, just maybe not as fast. One exception are
M-Discs since they don't have the "organic layer".
Nowadays USB sticks are even more compact.
But also vulnerable to degrading over time.
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote at 22:18 this Sunday (GMT):
In alt.os.linux.debian Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 17:40:48 +1000, Xeno wrote:
On 17/8/2025 5:07 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 15:59:27 +1000, Xeno wrote:
A burnt CD has as much capacity, is in some cases - rewritable, and is >>>>>> easier to fit into a SAFE. Zip disks are NOT paragons of reliability. >>>>>Rewritable optical media were never paragons of reliability, either.
But they take up little space so - backups of backups.
I used write-once media for that.
Such discs still degrade, just maybe not as fast. One exception are
M-Discs since they don't have the "organic layer".
Nowadays USB sticks are even more compact.
But also vulnerable to degrading over time.
Aren't long term backups done with tape storage currently?
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In alt.os.linux.debian Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
Not really, "Shintaro". Seems Big W etc. still sell things from that
brand, but not familiar to me.
They made optical media, as I recall
Aren't long term backups done with tape storage currently?
In the odd case, Verbatim actually owns a plant that makes blanks,
and that is a more recent situation.
