• Teen boy dies in e-bike accident

    From Lenona@lenona321@yahoo.com to alt.obituaries on Tue Jul 15 16:22:44 2025
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    Granted, this could have happened if he'd been riding an ordinary bike,
    I guess.

    But the fact that e-bikes can go a lot faster is one reason I am wary of
    many modern gadgets - and why I don't buy them.


    https://people.com/boy-dies-within-days-of-striking-suspended-cable-while-riding-electric-bike-11731697
    (with photo)

    https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/mother-father-answers-13-year-old-death-e-bike-collision-metal-cable-everett/281-4f2f027f-1ef3-4d05-8dec-79cb8c25a15e
    (longer obit)

    Parents demand answers after 13-year-old dies in e-bike collision with
    metal cable

    KING 5 investigative unit talks with the family who says the cable
    should never have been up in the first place.


    Author: Kristin Goodwillie

    EVERETT, Wash. rCo The parents of a 13-year-old boy who died after
    colliding with a metal cable while riding his e-bike want to ensure no
    other family suffers the same tragedy.

    His father, Alejandro "Alex" Munoz, and mother, Maria Stamatio, are
    demanding answers, saying the cable located in the 8800 block of 5th
    Avenue W, shouldn't have been there.


    His parents say Emiliano Munoz, who went by Emi, was excited for his
    future. He played football, hung out with his friends, and loved riding
    his e-bike.

    "I was so proud of him. I never told him, but I'm so proud of him. He
    was my life, he was my entire life," said his father, Alex Munoz.

    Munoz and Emi's mother Maria Stamatio said they won't be able to go on
    the summer family trips they planned or watch their son play football.

    "He called me three minutes before and he said, 'Mom, I'm going to the
    soccer field,'" said Stamatio.

    Stamatio said that was the last time she spoke to her son. On May 2, Emi
    was killed when his e-bike collided with a braided cable stretched
    between a private property fence and a post, despite wearing his helmet
    and safety gear.


    "That cable shouldn't have been in that place. That cable was not meant
    for my son," said Stamatio.

    The biggest question following Emi's death is who put up the metal
    cable. It is against Everett city code to have that type of fence.

    "This was a horrifically unsafe setting for any community," said Raymond Bishop, the family's attorney at Bishop Legal. He said the family will
    file a lawsuit to prevent similar tragedies in the future.

    "A wire rope that was here killed a child, broke a family in two and
    divided the community. But for that wire rope, Emi would still be here.
    That bollard is instrumental in this case. If you couldn't tie off to
    it, Emi would still be here today," said Bishop.


    Neighbors said the cable fence that killed Munoz was supposed to keep
    out cars that would drive on the grass.

    Emi's death has hit the entire community, which has rallied together to
    support his family, from a memorial to fundraisers and a community mass.

    "We are so blessed that he touched so many hearts," said Munoz, "My
    heart is broken, it is still broken."

    Munoz and Stamatio find some comfort in the dozens of cards and messages
    from friends and classmatesrCoproof of their son's profound impact in his too-short life.


    They told KING 5 that in Emi's last selfless act, his organs were
    donated so he can help others, something they say he would have wanted.

    According to the City of Everett, detectives with the Traffic Safety
    Unit are investigating the incident.
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to alt.obituaries on Tue Jul 15 17:07:44 2025
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    Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Granted, this could have happened if he'd been riding an ordinary bike,
    I guess.

    But the fact that e-bikes can go a lot faster is one reason I am wary of
    many modern gadgets - and why I don't buy them.

    That, and why aren't healthy people riding bicycles for exercise any
    more?

    https://people.com/boy-dies-within-days-of-striking-suspended-cable-while-riding-electric-bike-11731697
    (with photo)

    https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/mother-father-answers-13-year-old-death-e-bike-collision-metal-cable-everett/281-4f2f027f-1ef3-4d05-8dec-79cb8c25a15e
    (longer obit)

    Parents demand answers after 13-year-old dies in e-bike collision with
    metal cable

    The video in the related story better shows the cable.

    https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/13-year-old-killed-e-bike-collision-everett/281-90f51ef1-49f3-4cb5-aeb3-9e37f8addb5d

    Just because a trajedy occurred and deceased was sympathetic, the
    parents aren't necessarily going to prevail in a P.I. lawsuit.

    You are absolutely not allowed to put a hazardous obstruction in the
    driving surface of a road, but off the road is a different matter. You
    don't owe a duty of care with the possibility that someone could lose
    control of a motorized vehicle and become injured or die from an
    accidental collision with the off-road obstruction.

    I've read a case in which a homeowner, tired of replacing a mailbox that
    was repeatedly damaged in collisions and vandalism, erected one on a
    metal pole designed to survive a collision. A man was traumatically
    injured in a motor vehicle accident in which he struck the pole. He lost control of his vehicle on slick pavement. He did not recover for his
    injuries.

    By postal regulations, the homeowner was required to erect the mailbox
    in that location as the "mounted carrier" (I don't kwow if it was a city
    or rural carrier) must be able to reach the mailbox from the driver's
    seat. The homeowner was required to erect the mailbox in the public way
    but off the driving surface in such a way that it doesn't create a
    hazard to driving on the driving surface.

    In this case, if that wire were entirely on the homeowner's property,
    even at the edge of the property, then there shouldn't be liability.
    It's his property. He's allowed to put things on it subject to building
    and fire codes.

    If it were partly on public right of way (what was the purpose of the
    bollard it was tied to?), then he couldn't erect the wire without
    permission and he could have liability.

    The boy was the motorist. The motorist ALWAYS has a duty of care.

    KING 5 investigative unit talks with the family who says the cable
    should never have been up in the first place.

    "But for"

    Author: Kristin Goodwillie

    EVERETT, Wash. The parents of a 13-year-old boy who died after
    colliding with a metal cable while riding his e-bike want to ensure no
    other family suffers the same tragedy.

    His father, Alejandro "Alex" Munoz, and mother, Maria Stamatio, are
    demanding answers, saying the cable located in the 8800 block of 5th
    Avenue W, shouldn't have been there.

    His parents say Emiliano Munoz, who went by Emi, was excited for his
    future. He played football, hung out with his friends, and loved riding
    his e-bike.

    "I was so proud of him. I never told him, but I'm so proud of him. He
    was my life, he was my entire life," said his father, Alex Munoz.

    Munoz and Emi's mother Maria Stamatio said they won't be able to go on
    the summer family trips they planned or watch their son play football.

    "He called me three minutes before and he said, 'Mom, I'm going to the
    soccer field,'" said Stamatio.

    Stamatio said that was the last time she spoke to her son. On May 2, Emi
    was killed when his e-bike collided with a braided cable stretched
    between a private property fence and a post, despite wearing his helmet
    and safety gear.

    "That cable shouldn't have been in that place. That cable was not meant
    for my son," said Stamatio.

    The biggest question following Emi's death is who put up the metal
    cable. It is against Everett city code to have that type of fence.

    Is it a safety regulation or an aesthetic regulation? I wonder if it
    matters.

    "This was a horrifically unsafe setting for any community," said Raymond >Bishop, the family's attorney at Bishop Legal. He said the family will
    file a lawsuit to prevent similar tragedies in the future.

    Oh my. How, er, selfless you are in filing that lawsuit.

    "A wire rope that was here killed a child, broke a family in two and
    divided the community. But for that wire rope, Emi would still be here.
    That bollard is instrumental in this case. If you couldn't tie off to
    it, Emi would still be here today," said Bishop.

    Actually, the motorist would still be alive had he not lost control of
    his motorized vehicle.

    Neighbors said the cable fence that killed Munoz was supposed to keep
    out cars that would drive on the grass.

    Then the person who installed the wire had good reason underlying his
    action, but I'm sure the family will seek nonmonetary compensation for
    pain and suffering and punitive damages anyway, 'cuz selflessness.

    Emi's death has hit the entire community, which has rallied together to >support his family, from a memorial to fundraisers and a community mass.

    The more sympathetic the victim, the higher the damages.

    "We are so blessed that he touched so many hearts," said Munoz, "My
    heart is broken, it is still broken."

    Munoz and Stamatio find some comfort in the dozens of cards and messages
    from friends and classmatesrCoproof of their son's profound impact in his >too-short life.

    They told KING 5 that in Emi's last selfless act, his organs were
    donated so he can help others, something they say he would have wanted.

    According to the City of Everett, detectives with the Traffic Safety
    Unit are investigating the incident.

    I doubt there's a vehicle code violation except as committed by the boy.
    There could be a right of way violation or a building code violation.
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  • From Marco Moock@mm@dorfdsl.de to alt.obituaries on Tue Jul 15 19:51:31 2025
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    On 15.07.2025 16:22 Uhr Lenona wrote:

    Granted, this could have happened if he'd been riding an ordinary
    bike, I guess.

    But the fact that e-bikes can go a lot faster is one reason I am wary
    of many modern gadgets - and why I don't buy them.

    I sometimes drive 30 km/h with my normal bike. A don't want to image
    what happens if I crash with that speed.

    E-bikes offer people who can't reach such a speed on their on accord to
    reach it. Many e-bike accidents in Germany have old people involved
    rushing on their bikes having no control and high latency.

    PS: Please think about switching to newsgrouper.org or choose a real newsserver, as you use a now defunct service (old operator Thom
    Miller dead).
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    Marco

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  • From gazelle@gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) to alt.obituaries on Tue Jul 15 18:42:48 2025
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    In article <ea52d0074429b04b4caf4122edb99746@www.novabbs.org>,
    Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Granted, this could have happened if he'd been riding an ordinary bike,
    I guess.

    But the fact that e-bikes can go a lot faster is one reason I am wary of
    many modern gadgets - and why I don't buy them.

    I've noticed that nobody seems to be enforcing the laws that say you have
    to be of a certain age and have a valid license in order to drive a motor vehicle any more.

    It seems in my neighborhood I see all manner of people of obviously less
    than 16 years of age driving all manner of motorized vehicles on the
    public roads. Where are the cops when you need them?

    (Yes, I know there are loopholes in the law that allow this; it all kind of started with ATVs - which, incidentally, are very dangerous things). Those loopholes need to be closed!)
    --
    Faith doesn't give you the answers; it just stops you from asking the questions.
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  • From Marco Moock@mm@dorfdsl.de to alt.obituaries on Tue Jul 15 21:40:49 2025
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    On 15.07.2025 18:42 Uhr Kenny McCormack wrote:

    (Yes, I know there are loopholes in the law that allow this; it all
    kind of started with ATVs - which, incidentally, are very dangerous
    things). Those loopholes need to be closed!)

    Don't they have any parents that can handle that?
    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1752597768muell@stinkedores.dorfdsl.de

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to alt.obituaries on Tue Jul 15 20:15:32 2025
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    Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    15.07.2025 18:42 Uhr Kenny McCormack wrote:

    (Yes, I know there are loopholes in the law that allow this; it all
    kind of started with ATVs - which, incidentally, are very dangerous >>things). Those loopholes need to be closed!)

    Don't they have any parents that can handle that?

    The very parents who bought the e-bike for their son and forgot to
    instruct him in operating a motor vehicle safely?
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  • From INVALID_SEE_SIG@INVALID_SEE_SIG@example.com.invalid (J.D. Baldwin) to alt.obituaries on Tue Jul 15 21:19:52 2025
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    In the previous article, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    But the fact that e-bikes can go a lot faster is one reason I am
    wary of many modern gadgets - and why I don't buy them.

    That, and why aren't healthy people riding bicycles for exercise any
    more?

    This might just be Cranky Old Man Yelling At Cloud ... but I think
    it's way, WAY more dangerous on the road for cyclists now than it was
    30 or 40 years ago. In the 70's I rode on a shoulderless two-lane
    county highway, 13 miles each way, to and from school. (Not in the
    winter; this was Minnesota.) I never had a close call. Drivers often
    gave me a friendly courtesy honk from well back and then gave me a
    wide berth when able. I had no lights, vest, etc.

    Then, in western Florida in the 1980s, I rode a couple hundred miles a
    week on two-lane highways and had a *little* more trouble -- angry
    honking, that sort of thing. Never anything especially scary.

    In the 90's in SE Michigan and later in the 90's in SW Michigan,
    things got progressively worse over time. Again, maybe I'm just
    cranky, but I am convinced that drivers are way, way worse and way,
    way more aggressive and obnoxious and just plain stupid than they were
    when I was younger.

    Even (especially?) in NYC I've seen this. I used to bring my bike here
    when visiting and I would ride up Second Ave at 4 pm and ... well, it
    wasn't exactly *smooth* or easy, but it was very do-able. Now that I
    live in the area, and I see NYC traffic shenanigans often, I wouldn't
    even consider trying that. The taxis are bad, and they've always been
    bad, but the Uber/Lyft drivers are worse than them by a wide margin.
    Just horrible. And they spill over into urban New Jersey. (Lots to be
    said about the changes in NJ vis-|a-vis NY over time, but I'll let that
    go for now.)
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  • From Mark Shaw@mshaw@panix.com to alt.obituaries on Wed Jul 16 01:10:47 2025
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    J.D. Baldwin <INVALID_SEE_SIG@example.com.invalid> wrote:
    In the previous article, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    But the fact that e-bikes can go a lot faster is one reason I am
    wary of many modern gadgets - and why I don't buy them.

    That, and why aren't healthy people riding bicycles for exercise any
    more?

    This might just be Cranky Old Man Yelling At Cloud ... but I think
    it's way, WAY more dangerous on the road for cyclists now than it was
    30 or 40 years ago. In the 70's I rode on a shoulderless two-lane
    county highway, 13 miles each way, to and from school. (Not in the
    winter; this was Minnesota.)

    But it was uphill both ways, right?

    Some butthead kid has taken to riding one of those E-bikes at speed
    (such as it is) up and down the sidewalk in front of my house. I
    went out to try to get a photo or video but was unsuccessful, but
    I haven't seen or heard him lately so perhaps one of my neighbors
    clotheslined him.
    --
    Mark Shaw moc TOD liamg TA wahsnm ========================================================================
    "Anyway, we delivered the bomb."
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  • From Invalid@invalid@invalid.invalid to alt.obituaries on Wed Jul 16 14:03:46 2025
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    J.D. Baldwin <INVALID_SEE_SIG@example.com.invalid> wrote:

    In the 90's in SE Michigan and later in the 90's in SW Michigan,
    things got progressively worse over time. Again, maybe I'm just
    cranky, but I am convinced that drivers are way, way worse and way,
    way more aggressive and obnoxious and just plain stupid than they were
    when I was younger.

    You may be cranky, but you're not wrong.
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